Pro and Con 177, Uploaded 9-16-98, AM

Incoming Email

So far I have had the opportunity to read just one of your books. Hopefully that situation will change. This morning I found your web site and have enjoyed it very much. I have a question for you. In the Old Testament Bible Chronology the birth date of Abraham is listed as 2008. I understand where that date comes from, based on Terah's birthdate and his living 205 years. If Abraham left Haran when he was 75 as Gen. 12:4 tells us, when his father died as Acts 7 tells us then Abraham must have been born in or around 2008.

The problem I have with that scenario is verse 26 of Genesis 11 in which we are told that Terah was 70 when he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. I understand that it could be that Terah began having these sons at age 70 and perhaps Abraham was born when he was 140. The fact that Abraham is listed first troubles me because it implies that he may been the first born. I have recently added a New Living Translation to my Bible reading and as I pondered the chronology problem I read this section in the NLT [published by Creation House]. I had not previously noted it but there is a footnote for Genesis 11:32 that states that some ancient versions do not read 205 years but 145 years. If 145 was correct it would mean Terah died in 2023, Abraham left in 2023, 75 years after his birth which would be 1948, when Terah was 70.

Having been called to a teaching ministry I take very seriously the warnings God placed in His word, that is, do not add or take anything away from His Word, and I strive to study thoroughly everything that I teach, to make sure that I am teaching the truth of God's Word and nothing else. If Abraham were born in 1948 it would be a fascinating date, the "father" of Israel being born in a year that coincides with the birth of the nation of Israel in this century. However, as much as I may want Abraham born in 1948 that does not make it so. For many years I have known that God's Word is filled with hidden treasures if we will search it out. Having studied the Bible Codes as only confirmed my love and amazement for God's Word. I know that the codes require a very accurate translation of the Scriptures so the idea of changing a date or a date being wrong is not something I take lightly. However the 1948 date does not seem to contradict any of the Genesis passage.

In the middle of typing this e-mail I had the opportunity to speak to a local Jewish rabbi and ask him about these verses. Either in his Bible or in a commentary he noted that there is a note concerning Gen. 11:32 which states that in fact Abraham left Haran before Terah died. They see verse 32 closing out Terah's life and then Genesis 12 picks up the story of Abraham 75 years into Abraham's life and 145 years into Terah's. This seems to make sense to me because the Lord tells Abraham to leave his father's house in 12:1, which makes more sense, if Terah is still alive. I realize the difficulty with this position then lies in Acts 7:4 which states that Abraham lived in Haran until his father died.

I would appreciate any thoughts you would have on this. It seems difficult to reconcile Genesis 11:26 and the 2008 birthdate for Abraham and yet Acts 7:4 seems to make the 1948 date difficult as well. Thanks very much for any insights you may have and can share.

My reply

I think the 2008 AH date of Abram's birth when Terah was 130 is right, as figured by Anstey, Panin and Ussher. The list of Terah's sons is not chronological. The one that is in the line of Christ is listed first, even though he was not the firstborn.

For another instance of this, see Gen. 10:1: "NOW these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japeth." At the time of the Flood, Shem was 98, Ham 99 and Japeth 100. The one in the line of Christ was listed first, even though Japeth was the firstborn.

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I am presently reading your books and, after reading what you had written concerning Rahab, I searched the Bible for all references to that name. It only gave me 10, 7 of which refer to Rahab, the harlot, and 3 of which refer to the breaking in pieces and wounding the dragon.

My question is this. How did you arrive at the conclusion that Rahab was a planet, that Lucifer lived on it, and that it was located where the asteroid belt now is.

Incidentally, I am enjoying your books immensely and am very impressed with your dedication to the study of our holy scriptures. God bless you.

My reply

I will tell you what I think, and the reasons for my belief. You should research it for yourself and see what you think. This is a very simplified version, but it should be enough to get you thinking when you find verses that fit into this picture. All scriptures are from the KJV unless listed otherwise.

In reading my different versions (about 15) all the way through, I ran into several places that Rahab appeared that were not in the KJV. The Hebrew word had been translated according to its meaning. Basically, it means proud, strong, quarrelsome, which is large and extended, or public place, but the LXX translated it "whale." All the others seem to either fit Satan or his home. His sin was pride. He is strong and quarrelsome. His home planet was large and inhabited.

First, I found out that the cherubim of Ezekiel's visions of the heavens were planets. The first clue in understanding Ezekiel's visions in chapters 1 and 10 was when I found out that the Hebrew word translated "brightness" in Ezek. 1:4 meant sunlight. A "fire infolding itself" and having sunlight about it is the sun. Around the central sun were four flying things that had the appearance of lamps or burning coals of fire (v. 13). These four things were flying in concentric rings, wheels within wheels. One ring was on the Earth (v. 15). Thus, the four lively things flying in concentric orbits were the terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars.

They flew in a circle, alternately facing the four compass points, which had been marked by four different flags the Israelites used around their camp in the wilderness. North was marked by a flag with an eagle on it, South by a man, East by a lion, West by an ox.

Their extremeties, outer borders, were disk shaped, "like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass" (v. 7). They were surrounded by "a great cloud" (v. 4), which seemed to be the cloud of asteroids in the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter. In verse 13, something called "it" went up and down among the planets. I think it is an NEA, a near Earth asteroid, that has a cometary orbit.

Farther out in space above the terrestrial planets was Heaven, where Christ's throne is located. The planet was amber in color from the equator upward and from the equator downward (v. 27) and had "brightness round about" that looked like a rainbow (v. 28). It "was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone" (v. 26). I looked up the meaning of the "sapphire" symbol and found that it meant "dear to the planet Saturn," from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. That fits for Saturn has seven bright rings around it.

The seven rings fit what Zech 3:9 says in the Septuagint: "as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings)."

I found in Ezek. 28:13, that Satan had been in "Eden the garden of God" (both on Earth and in Heaven). surrounded by "EVERY precious stone." I think that means that the whole list of original planets is represented by this list of precious stones. There are ten listed and the sapphire is number seven. If there were ten, then the Asteroid Belt was once a planet, here represented by the onyx. Speaking to Satan in verse 14, it says, "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (guards, as in Gen. 3:24); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (Saturn): thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." The Asteroid Belt is in the midst of the planetary lineup.

There were ten curtains with cherubim embroidered on them covering the Tabernacle, which represented the heavens. Therefore, there were originally ten planets, as the ten precious stones suggested.

Job 26:7-13 ties into the larger picture. It says, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place (the astronomers have found it in the far northern sky), and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. He holdeth back the face of HIS THRONE, AND SPREADETH HIS CLOUD UPON IT. He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. The pillars (the upright, the righteous, Rev. 3:12) of heaven tremble and are astonished at his REPROOF. HE DIVIDETH THE SEA (taking the Moon out of our Pacific Basin) with his power, and by his understanding he SMITETH THROUGH THE PROUD (RAHAB). By his spirit he that garnished (shiphrah, made bright) the heavens (by the exploding planet); his hand hath formed (chuwl, to be hurled or whirled onto something, as with a whirlwind, twisted, pierced, formed) the CROOKED (bariyach, fugitive, fleeing) SERPENT."

Rahab was evidently hit by a whirlwind driven rock that split the planet apart. Pieces hit other planets. One side of Mars was scarred badly and our Moon was blasted out of our Pacific Basin. Let's look at the same picture as above in the Jerusalem Bible. Job 26:11-14 says, "The pillars of the heavens tremble, awe-struck at his threats. By his power, he has whipped up the Sea, by his skill, HE HAS CRUSHED RAHAB. His breath (whirlwind) had made the heavens luminous, his hand transfixed the Fleeing Serpent (Satan). This is only a fraction of what he has done and all we catch of it is the feeblest echo." The LXX says, "by his wisdom the whale (RAHAB) has been overthrown....he has slain the apostate dragon (Satan)."

Isa. 51:9-16 in the NEB says, "Awake, awake, put on your strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:1), awake as you did long ago, in days gone by, Was it not you who HACKED THE RAHAB IN PIECES and RAN THE DRAGON THROUGH? Was it not you who DRIED UP THE SEA, the waters of the great abyss...The LORD of Hosts is my name. I cleft the sea and its waves roared, that I might fix the heavens in place and form the earth."

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Shalom. You are an excellent teacher. I just wanted to run by you two thoughts: You are most probably correct in determining that rahab was destroyed prior to the creation of Adam. Scientists have as yet failed to identify just what the star of Bethlehem was. Most astronomers are fairly certain what it was not,,,not a star, not a planet, not a comet,,,supernova??? maybe. How about the violent destruction (the heavenly destruction of rahab, the death of sin & evil) as a prelude to Yeshua's birth. As a burning planet it would explain how the three wise men "followed" (orbital path) of the "star".

#2 Numerous angels fell with hasatan. hasatan was prideful & supposedly physically beautiful. If hasatan & his angel's inhabited rahab, when it exploded, pieces of it could easily have been hurled to Mars, unobliterated due to its lack of Martian atmosphere. Since archangel types are physically much taller than humans, it might explain the giant "face" on Mars. The image of hasatan, made by his angel's who worshipped him! Could this be the L-rd's warning gift to mankind, a preview of the face of the antimessiah? May Ad-nai Bless & keep you & your family. Shalom alechim

My reply

I don't see how Rahab could have been destroyed that late in time. I think a shard of it hit Earth and blasted off the Moon, which was there in Genesis 1:14.

I think shards did hit Mars, scarring one side badly and probably driving off most of its water and atmosphere. Later, smaller rocks seem to have made it to the surface relatively untouched. I don't know about the so-called face.

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To the writer in Con 176 who so beautifully expressed the feeling of being lost in this world:

Chuck Swindoll once narrated a story that does the best job of describing how long eternity is. It goes something like this:

"Imagine the earth as a giant steel ball, eight thousand miles in diameter and 25,000 miles in circumference. Now imagine a tiny sparrow sitting on that giant steel ball. The sparrow sharpens its beak and flies away.

"One million years later, that same sparrow returns and lands on that giant steel ball, and once again it sharpens its beak and flies away. A million years goes by before that sparrow returns again.

"This scene replays itself once every million years until that giant steel ball is finally worn down to the size of a ball-bearing no larger than a bee bee. At this point, eternity will have just begun."

Now that's a long time, and a very long lived bird, not to mention one increadible beak.

Seriously, though. It sounds like you have cried many times over the conditions that prevail in this world. Please know that you are not alone. Many of us have cried. Many of us have looked up in the sky and begged for His quick return. And many of us don't want to be here. We know what you are feeling. And we know that if the depth of your feeling runs as deep as it appears to, you should take heart, for God has blessed you. Maranatha. Come, O Lord!

My reply

Yes. Feeling runs deep. This world is a mess, and no one knows how to fix it. I feel so sorry for people that write and tell me that they do not think there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture. They are buying food, water, things to barter, etc., even guns. They can see how bad it is going to get. That outlook is not a "blessed hope" in any shape or form. And what, pray tell, would they do with a gun? commit sin by shooting someone that was hungry? and another? and another? And they are Christians? What kind of a person would they turn into? I shudder to think of it. That is not in my plans. I thank God that he has given us a chance to get out of here before the worst seven years since Adam was put on Earth.

Just the Y2K bug is going to be bad enough, let alone the Great Tribulation. I can't imagine how some people will even get the medicine they need to stay alive. Will asthmatics, diabetics, people with pneumonia, etc. just die?

I want out of here. Yes! Maranatha!

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I wanted to send you a quick email to talk about the missed date. I think you have the right idea yet the wrong info. I believe the rapture will happen on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah). The reason I believe this is because of several things that Jesus did. Remeber that the Bible was written by Jews and for Jews. (Gentiles have been graphed in). So if we look at Jewish culture and history we see a pattern. There are seven feasts of Israel God told the Jews to keep. They are: Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles.

This is all in Leviticus Chapter 23. Now, here is the life of Jesus:

Spring Feasts          Jesus fulfillment 
Passover            Christ was crucified 
Unleavened Bread        Christ was buried 
First Fruits          Christ rose from the dead 
Pentecost            Christ sent the Holy Sprit

Fall Feasts           Jesus to fulfill 
Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah)    Rapture 
Atonement (Yom Kippur)     Second Coming 
Tabernacles           The millennium


My reply

You are welcome to your opinion. I can only tell you the way it looks to me. I see nothing that would tell me that the Second Coming was on the Day of Atonement or that the Millennium starts on the Feast of Tabernacles.

I expect two Raptures, one Pre-Trib and the other Pre-Wrath. The Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7:14) precedes the sounding of the seven trumpet judgments (Rev. 8:1f) on the Feast of Trumpets on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation. It is the day of Jacob's trouble, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

It is a feast day. Mal. 2:3 says, "your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it."

It is the Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, a day like no other. Joel 1:15; 2:1-3 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come....BLOW ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (the united nation's army under Gog is attacking Israel, Ezek. 38); THERE HATH NOT EVER BEEN THE LIKE, neither shall be any more after it."

"Alas! for that day (Feast of Trumpets, 5768, our Sept. 13, 2007) is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it" (Jer. 30:7). Notice that the time of Jacob's trouble is one day, not three and one-half years. This is one day, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, a day like no other--ever. This is the day Israel is attacked, the day the seven trumpet judgments are cast on the Earth and the day the two main pieces of the asteroid impact Earth. The piece as large as a mountain (Rev. 8:8) hits the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5) and stops the army attacking Israel. The larger piece called Wormwood (Rev. 8:10,11) destroys Babylon on the Euphrates (Rev. 18:21).

Ezek. 38:19,20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things...and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, as in Ezek. 36:31; this is the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (asteroids) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

Mt. 24:28-31 all happens on this day. This passage is bookended with the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It says, "For wheresoever the carcase (Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints "shall mount up with wings as eagles," Isa. 40:31) be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other ("from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven, Mk. 13:27). They will see him that day in the heavens. He does not set his feet on the Mt. of Olives for seven months while the Jews bury the dead to cleanse the land for his return in GLORY. And "it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be GLORIFIED, saith the Lord GOD" (Ezek. 39:12,13).

Both "prophet (False Prophet) and priest (the Beast, Rev. 19:20) are profane; yea, in MY HOUSE have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD....I will bring evil upon them, even the year (5768) of their visitation...I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies...Therefore...Behold, I will feed them with wormwood (the name of the asteroid that will impact Earth, Rev. 8:11)...They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace...and No evil shall come upon you. For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD (Moses), and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of THE WICKED. The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (understand) it perfectly" (Jer. 23:11-20).

This first day of the Millennium is the same day that Christ is crowned with his golden crown in Heaven. It is also the day of the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven. It is not the day of the Second Advent. This Feast of Trumpets is the day of thick darkness, and the day of Christ's return is not a dark day (Zech. 14:6).

Rev. 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (the Second Advent is still future); because thou hast (this day) taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

From this day, the Second Advent is seven months in the future (Ezek. 39:12). It is on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, our April 6, 2008 (Ezek. 29:17,21).

How could the Second Advent be on the Day of Atonement and the Millennium on Tabernacles?

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If Heaven is an sphere orbiting our solar system and can be seen by the human eyes why haven't our satellites discovered it?

My reply

Saturn has been known since ancient times. Our two Voyager missions photographed it from fairly close.

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6-1-98. Hello Sister in Yahshua...
We are still remaining Faithful to our New walk with Yahvah's son (Yahshua)!

Sunday Morning, while I was preparing our clothes for Pentecost services at Church; Our Heavenly Father spoke to my heart! He said, "Not YET; just one more! I instantly knew I was in his presence, and it temporarily stunned and frightened me! I forgot to ask Him one more what? But my soul rejoiced and tears welled up in my eyes instantly!

Maybe He was saying, one more soul to saved, one more day/week/month/year! He also spoke to me and said, I came (St. Thomas Hospital in Nashville, TN.) Friday as a Thief into a hospital room where many were and took my Saint and No one knew I was even there! My husband's grandmother died Friday about 12 noon! Yahvah spoke this through my indwelling Holy Spirit! It was as if He was standing in front of and inside me talking to me!

I praise Him and our Brother all day long! See if He gives you any new information from what He has given me.

Keep the Faith and Keep Watching; He said He would return and He doesn't lie!! We will be READY whenever He comes! Love You

My reply

Sorry to be so late in answering. I am trying hard to cut down my emails in my Inbox now that Ed does not require as much of my time. He sat in the Lazyboy recliner today and had to have help to get out, but otherwise he is getting around on his own with the walker. He even went to the kitchen and made himself a peanut butter and banana sandwich.

"Not YET; just one more!" is very interesting. All I can think of is one more feast (i.e., the Feast of Trumpets) or one more Pentecost (i.e., in 5759/1999). On the Talmudic Calendar, Sivan 6 is Friday, May 21, 1999. If the Rapture is to be on Sunday, as I think Rev. 1:10 indicates, that day won't work. However, figuring Pentecost the Orthodox way, from the Sunday of the Feast of Firstfruits (Lev. 23:11), it would be on Sunday, Sivan 8, May 23, 1999. The three years are separated from the extra year in Lu. 13:6-9, so that seems possible. Maybe the extra year is the first year of the Tribulation. Either way, Sept. 20 or 21, 1998, or May 23, 1999, is ok with me. I'll just be happy to not have to go through the Tribulation. You know, I really don't want to have to go through the Y2K thing, either. I thank the Lord for our "blessed hope."

Titus 2:12-15 is so neat. It says, "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These thing speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."

It doesn't tell us to look for the Antichrist, Tribulation or even apostacy. We are to look for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of Christ. We are to be zealous of good works. The Laodiceans are not zealous (Rev. 3:19). Whatsoever things are good, think on these things is good advise.

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