Pro and Con 1785

Posted 3-9-14

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Rene (9 Mar 2014) "re: Jim Bramlett - Prophetic Month Period"

There is something else! Every single time the tetrad blood moons have happened in the past, they began right AFTER some major event, not before, so whatever is to happen on God's calendar for this series of blood moons over Israel should happen BEFORE April 14th-15! Israel became a nation in 1948 - the blood moons occurred in 49-50. Israel re-captured Their Holy City in the 6 day war in 1967. The blood red moons occurred in 67-68 (after the six day war event!)

What is left on God's calendar?
IMHO - it's time for the rapture! Rene


Thanks for the reminder. The Rapture can't come too soon. I needed to hear some good news. The bad has been chasing me.

Have had excruciating back pain because of a disk so thin it won't show up on X-Ray, and been fighting a cold.

As if that wasn't bad enough, I ok'd a update and thought I lost everything. It left me with a black screen that wouldn't wake up. After finding a Startup Disk for my previous computer, but not using it yet, I went to bed for two days and without thinking about it, just left my computer on. It looked like it was off, with the black screen.

Miraculously, when I came back to see what I could do about the computer, some things had come back on their own. I just left it alone, and when I came back again some other things had come back on. Maybe it just was working slow, so I left it alone. At least something was happening. It wasn't as dead as it looked.

Icons finally appeared in the Task Bar, but Microsoft's E with the halo picture didn't bring up the Browser. It brought up something else I didn't use. I hit Start, and low and behold, the Browser could be activated there. Maybe everything was there, but just stored in unfamiliar places.

A couple of days later, I finally found my Email Program in "All programs." Whew! that was a scary trip, but it looks like everything is now ok. Patience saved the day.

I ran something on my computer to clean it. It found some Registry errors, etc. It fixed those and declared my computer clean.

I bought a $39. program to clean it to make sure. It found and fixed over 32,000 errors. Just now, I found and deleted over 5000 things in the Waste Basket. Now, maybe I am ready to get back to work.

On my first day in bed, I thought I watched channel 4 TV all day. I did watch it, but it must have been a dream, and I was watching my dream on channel 4. Interspersed was weather and news, then back to my dream. All day long. That was weird. I didn't think it was a dream at the time, only later, because I forgot about 7 skits. There were maybe 10 skits only God could have planned. All seemed real. All played normally on my TV. Two involved me, and they were real, for sure. I can only remember the two now that involved me and the one following mine; the rest I have forgotten. However, I know that in every skit, the person or group involved did exactly what God would have had them do.

I followed the Lord's instructions when he put a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 in a darkened room. It stayed there as long as I kept looking at it.

Jer 50:2 says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

Publishing Biblical topics has consumed my life ever since.

The other skit involved my friend in Pensacola calling me out of the blue just about every day for more years than either of us can remember. She read my book, Heaven Found, and just decided to call me. She can remember numbers, and keeps reminding me of things that keep slipping my mind.

Of all things, she was born on Easter, April 9. Jesus was resurrected on Easter, April 9, 30 AD., and will return (I think) on April 9, 2016, Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee year, 5776. A Jubilee must be preceded by a Sabbatical year, and 5775 is Sabbatical.

We have had so many signs. The Rapture seems near.

Maybe we just have to wait until a date within this last Tetrad. The first Total Lunar Eclipse will be on the Biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread (which the Jews call Passover), Nisan 14, 5774, April 14, 2014. I can't remember when our calendars have been so well aligned. Isn't it amazing that God planned all this before the world began? Agape


By Marilyn Agee

I thought maybe the angels that built Gobekli Tepe were observing the rising of Sirius, but enclosure D aligned with the star Deneb, the brightest star in the Constellation Cygnus, in 9,400 B.C. The carving on one of the pillars even ties in. On that pillar are pictured both Cygnus and Scorpius.


"Gobekli Tepe
Its cosmic blueprint revealed"
By Andrew Collins

"Target Revealed

"Just one star emerged as a potential candidate, and this was Deneb, the brightest star in Cygnus, the celestial bird or swan, also known as the Northern Cross. Before 9500 BC Deneb was circumpolar, in that it never set, although after this time it began extinguishing each night on the north-northwestern horizon. As the centuries went by, the effects of precession shifted the star's setting position further and further west of north in a manner that not only made sense of the alignments of the various sets of twin pillars at Gobekli Tepe, but also provided realistic construction dates for the enclosures in question, as we can see here:

"Enclosure D @ 353° = 9400 BC (1)
Enclosure E @ 350° = 9290 BC
Enclosure C @ 345° = 8980 BC
Enclosure B @ 337° = 8245 BC

"...the suggested construction dates of the various pairs of central pillars offered by the proposed Deneb alignment correlate well with available radiocarbon dating evidence relating to the different enclosures."...

"The Deneb Alignments

For instance, loam taken from wall plaster found in Gobekli Tepe's Enclosure D has provided a radiocarbon age of 9745-9314 BC,(2) which corresponds pretty well with a suggested date of c. 9400 BC offered by the proposed Deneb alignment of its twin pillars. Strangely, bone samples taken from Enclosure B have provided a radiocarbon age of 8306-8236 BC,(3) which also coincides with the implied construction date of c. 8245 BC suggested by the Deneb alignment. However, according to radiocarbon specialist Oliver Dietrich of the German Archaeological Institute (DAI), these dates for Enclosure A could refer to late burials made shortly before the structure was abandoned.(4) Other radiocarbon dates have been obtained from organic materials found in the fill used to cover the major enclosures, and these range from the late tenth through to the late ninth millennium BC, the time of the site's final abandonment....

Founded, 10th millennium BCE
Oval D aligned with Deneb 9,400 B.C.
Abandoned, 8th millennium BCE
Pre-Pottery Neolithic A to B

God blasted the Moon material off of the Earth with an asteroid impact.

The debris eventually coalesced into the moon. The impact theory requires that the debris forming the moon begin coalescing at or near Earth's Roche limit, 11,500 miles out.

On their first moon landing, our astronauts placed mirrors on the moon. This led to precise determination of the lunar recession rate. The recession rate from the Roche Limit to the position of the Moon today should make it possible to figure out when the Great Catastrophe dug the Moon material out of our Pacific Basin.

Job 26:5-14 says, "Dead things are formed (chul, twisted, whirled, calved, born) from under (min, out of, tachath, the bottom, underneath) the waters, and the inhabitants thereof. 6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction (abaddon, Hades) hath no covering. 7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place (tohu, waste, dosolate, empty place), and hangeth the earth upon nothing. 8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds (ab, dark, dense, thick clouds); and the cloud (anan, thunder cloud) is not rent under them. 9 He holdeth back the face (paniym, face, as part that turns) of his throne (kisse, covered, throne), and spreadeth (parshez, expands) his cloud (anan, thunder cloud) upon it. 10 He hath compassed (chug, circled) the waters with bounds, until the day (or, morning) and night (choshek, darkness)come to an end. 11 The pillars of heaven tremble (ruph, agitate by concussion)and are astonished at his reproof (gearah, rebuke). 12 He divideth (raga, break, divide, toss violently and suddenly) the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through (machats, dashes asunder) the proud (Heb. RAHAB). 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed (chalal, bored through, wounded, slain) the crooked (bariyach, fugitive, fleeing) serpent (i.e., Satan). 14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?"

The moon's volcanic glasses are primarily basaltic, and darker than their surroundings.

"One stumbling block of the giant impact theory of moon formation has been the incredible isotopic similarities between the Earth and the moon.

"Indeed, if a large object that hit the Earth was different from it, why then are the planet and its satellite so isotopically alike?

"If there was [such a process] then Theia (i.e., RAHAB) might have had a nearly identical isotopic composition to Earth and all our puzzles about why the Moon and Earth are so similar isotopically then evaporate". (

"The finer regolith, the lunar soil of silicon dioxide glass, has a texture like snow and smell like spent gunpowder." (

" even though the Earth has a large iron core and the moon does not, the moon has exactly the same oxygen isotope composition as the Earth, unlike other planets formed in other parts of the Solar System. This indicates the moon should have been formed from material in Earth's neighborhood."(

"So when did this occur? Since the Moon is iron-poor, this tells us that that most of the iron of the Earth had already found (diffused) its way to the core. This indicates that the Moon must have formed well after the Earth." (

"Apollo astronauts reveal an odd fact: the big impact craters all seem to date to the same time"

"Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 IT SHALL BE ESTABLISHED FOR EVER AS THE MOON, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah."
"Jer_31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth (raga, toss violently, break, divide) the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

"Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Chronology: Early Forager Settlements
15,000 years ago (12,986 B.C.), the world emerges from the Ice Age
14,000-15,000 years ago (12,086 B.C. - 12,986 B.C.), Permanent settlements in the middle east 10,000 years ago: (7,986 B.C.) Nabta Playa, Egypt, and Gobekli Tepe, Turkey...

So, about 12,986 B.C., the angels probably came to Earth So, 6,986 B.C., would be 6,000 years later, catastrophe, Moon dug out of Pacific Basin Gobekli Tepe, 9,400 B.C. (hard date), circle D pointed to Deneb in Cygnus 6986 BC - 4043 BC = 2,943 years for Moon to coelesce and Earth to stabilize before Adam was created.

15,000 B.C. End of Ice Age
13,000 to 14,000 B.C. First permanent settlements
11,000 B.C. Appearance of Jomon culture
10,000 B.C. to 5,000 B.C. Mixed farming and potato culture develope
9,000 - 7,000 B.C. Farming towns appear in Anatolia and Egypt
8,000 B.C. Rye and barley cultivation spreads from Jordan and Anatolia to Asia
7,000 B.C. Trinity of maize, beans, squash develope in Andes
6,000 B.C. Rice in India, SE Asia, China

Gobekli Tepe, 11,000 years old, = 8,986 B.C.
"No one, of course, is denying that hunter-gatherers populated this region around 12,000-13,000 years ago, when the monument is said to have been built."
12,000 = 9986 bc, 13,000 = 10,986 bc
10,986 - 6000 = 4986 bc - 4043 bc = 943 yrs
10,500 = 8486 bc -4043 bc = 4443 yrs

Andrew Collins: align w. Deneb
"Enclosure D @ 353° = 9400 BC(1)
Enclosure E @ 350° = 9290 BC
Enclosure C @ 345° = 8980 BC
Enclosure B @ 337° = 8245 BC

"loam taken from wall plaster found in Gobekli Tepe's Enclosure D has provided a radiocarbon age of 9745-9314 BC,(2) which corresponds pretty well with a suggested date of c. 9400 BC offered by the proposed Deneb alignment of its twin pillars. Strangely, bone samples taken from Enclosure B have provided a radiocarbon age of 8306-8236 BC,(3) which also coincides with the implied construction date of c. 8245 BC suggested by the Deneb alignment....

"So we can see that the dating evidence emerging from Gobekli Tepe is in no way contradictory to the possibility that the central pillars in its main enclosures were erected and aligned to reflect the precessional shift of an astronomical target such as the star Deneb in Cygnus. There is evidence also that cult buildings at other Pre-Pottery Neolithic sites in southeast Turkey might also have been aligned to the star Deneb. For instance, the Flagstone Building, Skull Building and Terrazzo Building at Çayonu, a Pre-Pottery Neolithic site located northwest of the city of Diyarbakir, are all aligned north-northwest with entrances toward the south. Rodney Hale checked their orientations, based on available plans, and established that they reflected alignments towards the setting of Deneb during the eighth and ninth millenniums BC.(6)
"Structure - Azimuth - Deneb setting date

Flagstone building - 345.35° - 8780 BC
Skull building - 345.86° - 8820 BC
Terrazzo building - 336.20° - 7930 BC

These dates accord with recent revisions of existing radiocarbon dates obtained at Çayonu during the 1960s, which almost all fall within the late eighth and ninth millenniums BC.(7)


The below analysis is from notes I prepared to just 'send' to myself after I conducted a comprehensive study on this subject. Therefore, please pardon the punctuation and maybe the spelling. I think I have the dates correct.

I have long felt that 33 AD was the correct year of the crucifixion of Jesus. However, the calendar 'experts' say that in that year Nisan 14 was on a Friday. That would make the day of the Resurrection Sunday, Nisan 16 and the next day, Monday, Nisan 17. That ''typology'' just does not fit.

All Types of Nisan 17 in the Old Testament show that Nisan 17 is a date of ''new beginnings''. Putting the New Testament chronology together re the week of the Crucifixion with the Old Testament types results in the below conclusions.

I would appreciate any responses, either pro or con.

Some items to consider that I found out in my studies are these:

1) The weekly Sabbath evidently allowed no work.....period.
2) The High Day Sabbaths, such as Nisan 15, allowed no 'servile' work only. Servile work would be as in working for an employer.
3) At least one of the gospel writers uses the phrase ''after the plural use of the word Sabbath. There was the weekly Sabbath and the High Day Sabbath....the week of the crucifixion of Jesus.
4) I have proven to my satisfaction that the ''morrow after the Sabbath during the days of Unleavened Bread'' is referring to the Weekly Sabbath or Saturday. Thus Sunday would Always be the ''morrow after the Sabbath''.
5) It seems clear that Sunday, the day after the (weekly Sabbath) during the week of the crucifixion was the day of the Resurrection of Jesus and also the Feast of Firstfruits which began the 50 day count to Pentecost.
6) Jewish understanding of days and nights is assumed below, with the night the start of the date and the daylight portion coming next...........just as mentioned in Genesis ch 1 , ''the night and morning were the first day''.

Notes are below:

Consider this. Noah's ark rested on Nisan 17. This is per the text in Genesis.

Look at joshua 5.

They kept the passover .........this would have been the 14th of nNisan....and the text of Joshua 5 so indicates this.

The day after the 14th they 'ate of the prodduce/grain of the land.....the old grain that they found in the abandoned land since all the inhabitants had fled to Jericho ....thus the riches of the gentiles were laid up for the righteous. this would have been on the 15th of nisan.

on the next day.........all in joshua 5..... the manna ceased. this would have been nisan 16. if u say the rain stopped on ''saturday'' then that means it did not rain that day. so since they had the old grain of the land, the manna ceased on the 16th of nisan.

''and they ate of the NEW fruit of the land the next day////implied''.............see joshua 5.

nisan 17 seems to have a ''theme'' of deliverance and entering a new environment.

noah's ark rested on the 17th of nisan. noah had entered a ''new world''.

Israel ate the Firstfruits of the land on the 17th of nisan after entering the Promised land. This fits with Sunday being the Feast of Firstfruits. It is my opinion that this OT typology in Joshua 5 lines up with the week of the crucifixion of Jesus regarding the days of the week.

Jesus was resurrected on Nisan 17.....thus starting the New Creation. In fact, it was on this same day, Sunday Nisan 17 that Jesus breathed ''into''....Greek... and they became a New Creation. See John 20/21.

re joshua 5 consider this as a type of the week of the cross of Jesus.

on Thursday, nisan 14 they 'kept the passover'.

On the day after they ate of the old grain of the land, this would have been on Friday nisan 15.

on the following day, Saturday , nisan 16 the manna ceased. why? they were eating of the old grain left behind. this was the sabbath. on friday they would have had 2 days of manna for friday and sabbath.....anyway.

Thus no manna fell on that Sabbath. It ''ceased'', just as God ''ceased'' all His work on the Sabbath in He did not work on the Sabbath. So no manna fell on the Sabbath.

thus the manna would not have fallen on the sabbath anyway.

then ''after that'' they ate of the new fruit of the land!
why? because on sunday ''the morrow after the sabbath/the weekly sabbath, during the days of unl. bread'' it was ''legal'' to eat of the FIRSTFRUITS OF THE LAND.

that would be nisan 17 or sunday.

now what does all this mean?

it means that on nisan 14 Jesus was slain. and it means that nisan the law of typology was the day of the Firstfruits.........'the morrow after the (weekly) sabbath' and also the day of the resurrection.

So..........this means the crucifixion of Jesus was on Thursday Nisan 14. the next day, friday nisan 15 was the high holy day, first day of Unl Bread. the next day was saturday /sabbath of nisan 16. and thus Sunday morning the 17th of nisan was the day of the resurrection.

so whatever year the above lined up with, was the year of the crucifixion. from what i have read, this was the case in 32 ad.

also..........if the above is not enough, consider the ''first mention'' of passover in Exodus 12-14 when israel left egypt.

the lamb was slain on the late afternoon of the 14th of nisan. that night started nisan 15 and they ate of the lamb as the ''passover'' death angel passed over egypt. This is ''why'' the Jews celebrate Nisan 15 for the is when the death angel passed over. Yet it was on Nisan 14 that the lamb was slain, and it is called the 'Lord's' Passover.

It is best and easier when studying the Passover to think of it as a Feast or Meal. The meal was prepared on the 14th when the lamb/Jesus was slain. The meal/lamb/Jesus was 'eaten' on the night of the 15th of Nisan. It is ''proper'' to call Nisan 14 the Passover and it is proper for the Jews to call Nisan 15 the Passover since on that day(the night portion) the death angel Passed Over Egypt

pharoah got up that very night at midnight, the 15th of nisan and told moses to get out immediately. the departure therefore started on the 15th of nisan early in the morning........Numbers 33 confirms that ''israel left egypt on the 15th of Nisan''. double check.

they left from Rameses.............went to Succoth....i believe this is where the bones of Joseph were.........picked up the bones and went to the next town....Etham and ''encamped'' there. this would have been the night of the 16th of nisan. note it does not say in Exodus that they 'encamped' at succoth........but just went there.

the next day, still the 16th of nisan/day portion/ they departed and went to Migal and encamped there. the night now began and it became the 17th of nisan. pharoah and his armies had by now came after them and caught up with them.

the night of nisan 17 God caused a strong wind to blow and the waters were divided. the NEXT MORNING.............the text in Exodus says specifically that God looked the morning...!.....and saw the egyptians.....israel crossed the red sea on that Sunday morning the 17th of nisan.......and it happened in the morning and pharoah and his army were drowned in the sea............all in the morning.............just as Jesus was raised the morning of Sunday, nisan 17.

Nisan 17 by typology has the theme of new beginnings.

Israel passed thru the red sea and entered a new life in the wilderness.

Joshua and israel entered the promised land and ate the Firstfruits on Nisan 17, entering a new environment of the promised land.

Jesus was therefore raised on the feast of firstfruits , nisan 17, sunday.

this makes the day of the cross nisan 14, on a Thursday.



I'm glad you are trying to figure out when Jesus was crucified.

I worked on the birth and crucifixion many years. I think Jesus was crucified Thursday, April 6, 30 AD, Nisan 13, 3790. He was crucified on the preparation of the Passover 40 years before Jerusalem was destroyed.. The year 33 won't work. 70 AD - 40 = 30 AD.

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