Pro and Con 1788

Posted 3-19-14



I asked him.. rather dumbfounded "So.. I died as an infant.. willingly.. died.. JUST so I could be here with you?"

He said "Yes.. twice you actually succeeded.. and you tried many other times as well.. before you managed to stop your own heart by an act of your will. The first time I sent you right back after a brief explanation. The second time.. I KNEW you would come back because I was the one who created IN you the curiosity and pure stubbornness to GET a full explanation of the facts. You have an inquiring mind.. one I created FOR the purpose of your destiny.. you will find it very useful in the days ahead.. but also.. it will also be a hindrance at times.. but that's why I gave you a mind like this.. to BE an "Overcomer".

An "overcomer" I said?...WHAT is that?

He smiled broadly and motioned his hand out over the sea stretching out before us to the "horizon"..."See this field.. this sea of glass??.. in a few decades you, and millions of others will be here.. and yes.. your sister and daughters as well (Daughters.. I will have DAUGHTERS??) will all be here.. jumping and leaping for joy.. as the climax of all creation is made known to all.

I asked him...

"So I've been here.. and chose to go back once you explained WHY I had to go back. "?He said "Yes.. I was very proud of you.. you are a fighter.. you never give up.. although you do tend to be discouraged easily.. but you also get up again and again.. you never quit.. THAT is why I am proud of you. You fall and fail.. yet you try and try again. Its not how many time you fail I take note of.. its how many times you get up again and keep going.

THAT is character.. and character is all important and vital for what comes after your life on earth is complete."

I looked at him and said "Huh"?..(rather stupidly I might add)

He just grinned and said "There is coming a time soon.. a few decades from now earth time...when all you have learnt.. and all you will learn will find its meaning. You think you will sit around being all happy here in this place doing nothing forever? NO.. you will have work to do.. places to oversee.. administration.. government.. all very busy.. and decisions will be needed.. from people with character.. people who have gone through the fires and beat them.. and.. people who are wise.. strong.. resilient.. steadfast.. in a word.. overcomers"

He went on to say "Now you know why you never knew me except as an infant. You know why...because in all the things you have gone through these last 15 years.. you grew character.. without the "Crutch" of fought on and on.. you overcame your weak frail body.. it grew strong.. you overcame the sicknesses that resulted from your premature birth... you overcame the anger and grief of your overcame the incessant teasing at school.. the bullying and the physical beatings.. just because you were "Different" saw through the lies on TV.. you never bought into the rubbish...the deceptions.. you kept on and on.. always asking.. looking.. reading and searching.. for deep down you KNEW there was more to this life than met the eye.. and deep down.. was the seed I had planted there when you and I had our little chat.. and now here you are today...and I am answering your question in full.. for know.. that all was not in vain.. life DOES have a purpose.. far greater than you can ever imagine."

I stood there.. taking it all in.. it suddenly all made sense...all the trouble I had been in.. the hurt.. the pain.. the despair.. the victories.. again and again.. a cycle of defeats.. followed by victories.. and followed again by defeats.. and followed again by victories.

I was always alone.. never a friend...but I kept going.. I KNEW.. even though I actually "Believed" in nothing.. that I was WRONG somehow in that "belief".. which.. after all.. was NOT a belief but an assumption.

He stood there...letting it all soak in.. it all fit together.. and explained a lot of what had happened in my childhood.. the early formative years of the basic character I would need in the next three decades.. as he was just about to warn me about... He said "Come with me.. up there.."

We both rose up to the throne.. and we sat on it together.. looking out over the sea of citrine yellow fire.. glowing in awesome majesty.. vacant.. for now...

(I was not actually "Sitting" as I was in spirit.. no body as such.. but you get the idea)

He pointed down to a spot near the front of the throne.. slightly to the right of it and said. "Know this for a less than 4 decades from now earth time.. YOU.. and your two daughters.. will be standing right there.. on that very spot.. you will be leaping and shouting victory.. joy.. gladness.. your arms around your young ones, who I will bless you with at the right time.. and there you will finally understand all that you are to go through in the next 35 years. Behind you.. surrounding you.. will be many many people.. who will only be there because of your words.. what you say.. and because of the moment you said them. No one will know you.. you will not be on a stage.. or on a movie or in a book. Just your words.. will spread out and impact many lives.

There.. standing there where I am pointing

(He raised his hand and pointed to the exact spot I will be standing in three decades or so from then)

I will acknowledge you to the others.. the ones who are there because you CHOSE to stay on and fight through.. I will let them all know your name.. and then you can spend the rest of the 1000 years meeting them all.. and sharing your testimony in person.. and hearing theirs. It will be an amazing time for you.. you will be utterly astounded at just who you reached with your words.. and their effects.

Nothing happens for nothing.

Your words.. born in the fires of agony and trials.. will touch many lives.. and also save many lives.. and the reason I tell you this now.."

( He suddenly got all serious.. His smile of joy at the future memory of this event faded.. and the present came rushing back in.. and with.. a tear? his eye.. and a sadness I could only see the edge of..)

He continued...

"In the years ahead.. you will try to find me.. here.. will look and will try churches.. drugs.. alcohol.. parties.. friends.. all looking for me...trying to find WHERE I can be found on earth. You will forget most of what I have told you today UNTIL the day BEFORE it all comes to pass.. and your true destiny begins.. which will be in your 44th year ...."

( THAT is tomorrow.. I turn 44..and YES.. its only NOW.. the DAY BEFORE.. that I remember EVERY WORD he said to me that day so long ago.. until TODAY...I could only remember bits.. and the place itself.. NOT the warnings or the details)

He continued...

" the years ahead.. you will long to die.. you will experience such deep despair.. such grief.. so much pain. The fires will forge you.. stronger and stronger you will become with each forging. There will be three times you will attempt to take your life.. which I will prevent.. three times you will survive.. and get up and keep going.. again.. each step.. closer to the final product."

"You will die to yourself.. you will die to this world.. you will eventually die out to the "Need" of human love.. finding it to be untrustworthy and fickle . You will know in the end.. only MY love is certain.. and only I can be counted upon.

And on that day.. you will walk as a lion.. fearless.. dead to the world.. trusting only in me.. and THAT.. is the reason I will let you wander.. to find out once and for all as Solomon once did.. that ALL.. apart FROM me.. is vanity.

And there.. lies real strength...and courage.. and wisdom...and with those three attributes forged INTO you by the fires of life itself.. you will march forth in your 44th year.. and devastate so many many half truths.. you will clear a pathway.. just with your words.. to truth.. to life.. and many will follow.. but NOT YOU...they will follow the TRUTH you have learnt so hard.

No one will EVER know who you are.. until that day.. the day I tell all, in front of the vast crowd.. your accomplishments. Both yours.. and many other warriors who will have done similar to you.

You will receive your reward then.. no sooner.

So.. go now.. back to earth...and I will be with you every step.. I will guide your every step.. and I will not let a single hair on your head be harmed.

There will be many attempts on your life by the evil one.. I will guard you.. see there?

(He pointed out across the field.. and there.. hovering above the field were two angels.. BIG ones..stern..strong..6 feet across at the shoulders.. at least 16 feet high...each dressed like a warrior.. with a ten foot long broadsword in a jewelled scabbard.. ready for anything)

These two have been with you since birth.. they are your protectors.. in the days of your destiny you will get to know them personally.. but until then they will remain hidden.. from you.. and from others.. but NOT from the forces of darkness...who will flee left and right at their very look.. thus no harm will ever come to you.. you must be kept alive at all costs.. even against your own attempts to end your life.. you cant even harm yourself.. much as you are going to want to.

(As it turns out.. I DID try to kill myself three times.. and each time.. it failed...overdose.. nothing.. just woke up a week later feeling great...drink myself to death?.. nup... I always passed out or vomited it all up..CAR accident?.. Head on crash at over 130 kph into a concrete pole which left the car a burning wreck?.. same.. was flung from the car as it burst into flame.. not a hair singed.. and not a scratch...that was my last attempt.. I gave up trying to kill myself after that.. no point.)

He then looked me right in the eye.. with his amazing eyes of multi hued blue fire and said..

"(My name) the years immediately following this conversation.. you will remember only parts of what I have said. Here and there I will allow a brief flash of remembrance. During dark times.. when you need it the most.

But for the most part your decisions.. and mistakes.. and outright rebellions, will be your own. But they too are a part of what you must learn. You will even get very angry at me in several years time.. when you fail to find me in any churches or doctrines or drugs or books or seminars. You will even curse the day you were born.. and your anger and grief will lead to some dreadful mistakes.. but those same mistakes will be the making of you.. your anger and your grief at not "Finding me" will in fact be what allows you to find me in the end.

A week before you turn 44 the final test will come.. your family will disown you and turn against you... and in that moment you will make a final decision (WHICH I did) which will enable the memory of all I have told you to re-surface one day before you turn 44..and when you do.. begin...for your 44th year is when everything you have ever learnt will come into play. The world will grow very dark.. people will be dying and losing hope.. BE that hope for them.. and tell them.. they DO have a "Daddy".. that I am here FOR them.. and that nothing in their lives has happened for nothing either.. as I hold all events.. and every life.. well and truly in the palms of my hand. Now go.. and I will see you again just under 4 decades your time, from now.

Then.. BANG... just like that.. I opened my eyes...and looked at the clock next to my bed...I was there for what seemed like hours.. or days.. but only about five minutes had passed.

And true to his word...I forgot almost everything he said...until today..



After I wrote it more came back to my memory of the event.

The last year for me has been hard. very very hard. I wont go into details but the events of my life just in the last 12 months leading up to today.. the last day of my 43rd year.. were the final stage. I am dead to this world now. And going by what I can remember now of that event 28 years ago...I can see why.

There is a vast and terrifying abyss just ahead. Many millions dying.. war.. death.. loss of hope. Our whole way of life.. our entire civilisation.. will soon be in ruin..

That is when lights shine the brightest.. when darkness falls.

The darkness falls very soon. Before the middle of next year... I cant see clearly WHAT it is.. I only know its devastating.. and permanent.. as in.. it ends western civilisation.. forever.

One other thing I know about what's coming..

THERE WILL BE NO WARNING...NO one will predict it.. NO prophet will warn of it.. NO one will KNOW.. until the final few seconds.

Its going to be FAST and SUDDEN and WORLD SHAKING..NO warning.. not even from the Lord.

The ONLY clue I have been given regarding the beginning of the end will happen on an ordinary day. A day just like any other. No change.. no "feeling" of impending doom...just a sudden and shocking CHANGE.. and nothing will ever be the same again.

Our epoch ends.. just.. like.. that. (Snap of fingers)

Then following this change.. this devastating world rocking event.. comes the harvest.

Then before the year 2020,,,the final end.

I was told I would see it.. the return. Its right at the end. I was also told I would not see the age of 50 in my current body.

I am 44 tomorrow. That is the year I was told my destiny and all these years of hardships.. stupid mistakes.. lessons learnt.. and character building would all find the uses.

We have.. I feel.. but a few weeks of "Normal" left.

When the change comes.. it will catch everyone totally off guard.

They are already off guard because of the December 21st campaign.. designed BY the media.. to achieve just that.

Now they have an entire world population not caring one bit about any predictions or prophecies or forebodings.

Everyone is asleep.. as planned.." and the flood came on a day they knew not.. and took them all away" in the days of Noah.. so shall it be again...and so it actually IS...NOW.


For His Glory, Honor, & Praise,
Joe Wise

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Fwd: KJV verses Geneva

The Geneva Bible 1599 proves the correct understanding of Daniel 9:27. Notice that footnote [a.] in the Geneva Bible clearly identifies “he” as Jesus Christ and not the antichrist :

Daniel 9:27, 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

And he [a] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to [b] cease, [c] and for the overspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


a. Daniel 9:27 By the preaching of the Gospel he, Jesus, confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

b. Daniel 9:27 Jesus accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

c. Daniel 9:27 He, Jesus, decreed that Jerusalem and the Sanctuary should be utterly destroyed for their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague shall be so great, that they shall be all astonied at them.

Bruce Warner, Scripturalist for the Lord


Just keep in mind that the footnotes in Bibles are not Scripture.

Dan. 9:24-27 GNV says, "Seventy [s]weeks are determined upon [t]thy people and upon thine holy city, to finish the wickedness, and to seal up [u]the sins, and to reconcile the iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand that from [v]the going forth of the commandment to bring again the people, and to build Jerusalem, unto Messiah the Prince (i.e., Jesus), shall be seven [w]weeks and [x]threescore and two weeks, and the street shall be built again, and the wall even in a [y]troublous time. 26 And after threescore and two [z]weeks, shall Messiah be slain, and shall [aa]have nothing, and the people of the [ab]prince that shall come, shall destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood: and unto the end of the battle it shall be destroyed by desolations. 27 And he [ac] (i.e., the Roman prince that shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to [ad]cease, [ae]and for the overspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

GNV Footnotes:

"Daniel 9:25 These weeks make forty-nine years, whereof 46 are referred to the time of the building of the Temple, and three to the laying of the foundation.
Daniel 9:25 Counting from the sixth year of Darius, who gave the second commandment for the building of the Temple are 62 weeks, which make 434 years, which comprehend the time from the building of the Temple unto the baptism of Christ.
Daniel 9:25 Hebrew, in straits of time.
Daniel 9:26 In this least week of the seventy, shall Christ come and preach and suffer death.
Daniel 9:26 He shall seem to have no beauty, nor to be of any estimation, as Isa. 53:2.
Daniel 9:26 Meaning Titus, Vespasian’s son, who should come and destroy both the Temple and the people without all hope of recovery.
Daniel 9:27 By the preaching of the Gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
Daniel 9:27 Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
Daniel 9:27 Meaning, that Jerusalem and the Sanctuary should be utterly destroyed for their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague shall be so great, that they shall be all astonied at them."

Reread verse 26. It says, "And after threescore and two [z]weeks, shall Messiah be slain, and shall [aa]have nothing, and the people of the [ab]prince that shall come, shall destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood: and unto the end of the battle it shall be destroyed by desolations."

That verse changes everything. Messiah (Jesus) is slain. The future Roman prince that shall come is then referred to in verse 27.

Dan 9:27 (KJV) says, "And he (i.e., the Roman prince) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Mat 24:15,16 (KJV) says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination (bdelugma, a detestation, an idol) of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: "

Dan 8:8-13 (KJV) says, "Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The Tribulation will last 2300 days. Then the sanctuary will be cleansed on the Day of God's Wrath.

Since the last half is to be shortened. I think the first half of the Tribulation will be 1260 days, and the last half will be shortened to 1040 days.

"The pontiff's May 24-26 trip to Amman, Bethlehem and Jerusalem will mark the 50th anniversary of Pope Paul VI's trip to Israel, the first visit by a pope to the country. Pope John Paul II visited Israel in 2000 and Benedict XVI in 2009."

"Pope Francis forced to cancel Israel visit
"Foreign Ministry source confirms trip planned for May scrapped due to ongoing strike by Israeli diplomats"
By Raphael Ahren and Gavriel Fiske, March 6, 2014

"Pope Francis has been forced to cancel his planned visit to Israel, which was to take place over May 24-26, due to the ongoing labor dispute at the Foreign Ministry.

"A source at the ministry confirmed to The Times of Israel on Thursday that the pontiff's trip was cancelled because Foreign Ministry workers are currently on strike and are unable to make the necessary arrangements for the high-profile visit.

"The cancellation is likely to cause 'large, measurable economic damage, with all the lost tourist revenue that would have accompanied the visit,' the source said.

"In early January, Francis announced that he would be visiting Bethlehem and Jerusalem in May. He was also to travel to Amman. The Foreign Ministry said that, according to the Vatican, the pope's visit won't be able to be rescheduled, only cancelled."

As for me, I think the Mid-Trib Rapture will be on Ascension Day, May 29, 2014. The Pope is not to be allowed to detract from that.

What else happens Mid-Trib? The First-Trump Rapture.

Mar 13:14-20 says, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation (i.e., an idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

The Last-Trump Rapture, on the Day of God's Wrath

Luk 17:31-37 says, "In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (soma, the body as a sound whole, i.e., the Body of Christ) is, thither will the eagles (i.e., Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

In Exo_19:4, the Lord said, "I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: "The unfinished passover"

I found this pdf of the unfinished Passover to be very interesting. What do you think?

David Blackman


To me, it is impossible for the Crucifixion to have been in 33 AD. Jesus, born on Tishri 1 in 5 BC, Sept. 4, 5 B.C., announced the Jubilee near his 30th birthday, near the Day of Atonement in 27 AD when he read from Isa. 61. The Jubilee that celebrated the coming of the Messiah was in 28 AD. The Crucifixion was in 30 AD.

> > There are 2 possible Eclipses, Lunars that might suggest the actual time of the Crucifixion.

> > At Midday, the sky was totally darkened. The only Total Solar Eclipse occurred on MAR 19, AD 33 at 1:40pm lasting 4min

> > Total Darkness 3 hrs

> > Passover always starts with a Full Moon, meaning no Solar Eclipses could be possible to occur. However Lunar Eclipses can. As to a possible date, on APR 25, AD 31 a Wednesday, a TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE was rising above the Jerusalem horizon. As the Passover Meal celebration was concluding, the Eclipse occurred as if to ’punctuate’ this time with its apex at 23:02 hrs.

No eclipse could fulfill the three hours of darkness from noon until 3 PM. They don't last that long. Neither can an eclipse be seen at the same time "OVER ALL THE EARTH".

To me, these verses rule out an eclipse. The three hours of supernatural darkness were near the middle of the month, a time of the Full Moon.

Mat_27:45 says, "Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour."

Mar_15:33 says, "And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour."

Luk_23:44 says, "And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness OVER ALL THE EARTH until the ninth hour."

Here is a copy of a section of NASA's Lunar eclipse chart:

04897 0030 May 06 06:10:02 10231 -24362 41 Ne -a 1.5348 0.0122 -0.9295 29.4 - - 14S 51W
04898 0030 Jun 04 12:55:00 10230 -24361 79 P a- -0.9517 1.0859 0.1371 252.5 79.9 - 23S 153W
04899 0030 Nov 28 23:11:31 10225 -24355 84 N t- 1.4521 0.2472 -0.8594 153.0 - - 23N 52E
04900 0031 Apr 25 23:02:48 10221 -24350 51 P -a 0.8386 1.2986 0.3395 272.2 123.0 - 12S 56E
04901 0031 Oct 19 06:03:52 10216 -24344 56 P -t -0.8698 1.2896 0.2349 297.6 111.1 - 9N 51W
04902 0032 Apr 14 11:56:36 10212 -24338 61 T+ pp 0.0997 2.6803 1.6697 345.1 222.7 100.6 9S 137W
04903 0032 Oct 07 15:38:15 10207 -24332 66 T- pp -0.1274 2.6220 1.6263 331.0 214.6 96.3 5N 165E
04904 0033 Apr 03 17:37:53 10202 -24326 71 P t- -0.6813 1.6399 0.5764 332.8 170.1 - 5S 139E
04905 0033 Sep 27 06:39:46 10197 -24320 76 P a- 0.5624 1.8071 0.8446 297.2 176.2

Here is a copy of a section of NASA's Solar Eclipse chart:

04848 0030 May 21 04:10:57 10230 -24361 67 A np -0.3188 0.9517 2N 164E 71 185 06m09s
04849 0030 Nov 14 03:37:26 10226 -24355 72 T -n 0.0644 1.0473 15S 167E 86 158 04m08s
04850 0031 May 10 04:46:51 10221 -24349 77 A p- 0.4456 0.9549 41N 136E 63 183 04m26s
04851 0031 Nov 03 18:26:45 10216 -24343 82 T p- -0.6241 1.0143 49S 80W 51 62 01m04s
04852 0032 Mar 29 23:10:01 10212 -24338 49 Pe -t -1.4877 0.1002 61S 39W 0
04853 0032 Apr 28 09:42:10 10211 -24337 87 P t- 1.1818 0.6596 62N 40W 0
04854 0032 Sep 23 12:26:34 10207 -24332 54 Pe -t 1.5349 0.0491 61N 125E 0
04855 0032 Oct 23 04:12:28 10206 -24331 92 P t- -1.3773 0.3144 61S 45E 0
04856 0033 Mar 19 13:40:16 10202 -24326 59 T -p -0.7168 1.0576 40S 47E 44 267 04m06s

Jesus was born before Herod died. Herod died between the partial lunar eclipse of March 13, 4 BC and Passover, April 11, 4 BC.

Josephus wrote, "...Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition, with his companions, alive. And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon. (8)" — Antiquities XVII:7:4

The Partial Lunar Eclipse was March 13, 4 B.C. It was Adar II 15, Julian day 1,454,218.

29 days later, Nisan 14 in 4 BC, was Passover, 11 April, 4 BC, Julian Day 1,454, 247.

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