Pro and Con 1803

Posted 5-27-14


"In a speech at the President's Residence (i.e., in Israel) the pope says he prays for the State of Israel and for peace.

"Mr. President, I vow to pray for the institutions of the State of Israel and for its citizens. I especially promise to continually ask God for peace and for the blessings related directly to PEACE: SECURITY, PROSPERITY AND FRATERNITY".

"We unequivocally reject everything opposed peace and coexistence between Jews, Christians, and Muslims including: Violence and terrorism and all forms of discrimination based on race or religion; all forms of anti-Semitism; acts of intolerance toward people or place or worship of Jews, Christians and Muslims."

lTh 5:3 (ESV) says, "While people are saying, "There is PEACE AND SECURITY," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."

1Th 5:3 (RSV) says, "When people say, "There is PEACE AND SECURITY," then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape.
"Pope Francis called for peace in the "increasingly unacceptable" Israeli-Palestinian conflict on Sunday in a speech at the palace of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Bethlehem.

"In his speech, which came hours before the Pope was due to arrive in Israel, Pope Francis spoke of good relations between the Holy See and the "State of Palestine," called for the existence of a two-state solution and addressed Mr. Abbas as 'a peacemaker.'

"In expressing my closeness to those who suffer most from this conflict, I wish to state my heartfelt conviction that the time has come to put an end to this situation which has become increasingly unacceptable. For the good of all, there is a need to intensify efforts and initiatives aimed at creating the conditions for a stable peace based on justice, on the recognition of the rights of every individual, and on mutual security. The time has come for everyone to find the courage to be generous and creative in the service of the common good, the courage to forge a peace which rests on the acknowledgment by all of the right of two States to exist and to live in PEACE AND SECURITY within internationally recognized borders."

I remember the Pope's speech last December about Salvation. He said, "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter that so much. We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there."

I disagree.

"Pope Francis And The Emerging One World Religion

Michael Snyder, The Truth, Feb 24, 2014

Is Pope Francis taking steps that are laying the groundwork for the emergence of a one world religion? If that question sounds quite bizarre to you, I urge you to read the rest of this article. We live at a time when globalization is advancing rapidly. The global economy is more integrated than it has ever been before, and with each passing year new economic treaties tie us even more closely together. And "global governance" (as the elite like to call it) is also steadily gaining ground.

"Pope Francis And The Emerging One World Religion"

"Through a whole host of global institutions such as the United Nations, the World Bank, the IMF and the Bank for International Settlements, global governments are working together to a degree that is unprecedented. Well, what about religion? Is there evidence that we are also witnessing the globalization of religion? Well, yes there is. In fact, it appears that Pope Francis intends to lead the way.

"Since he has been Pope, Francis has expressed a desire for unity with the Eastern Orthodox, the Anglicans, and many other major Protestant denominations. But more than a few eyebrows were raised when he recently sent a video message to Kenneth Copeland and his congregation. At the time that the video message was played to the congregation, one speaker declared that "Luther's protest is over"...


Globalization of religions doesn't mean that all those people are saved.

Salvation is an individual matter of belief in Christ, not just of good works. Only those who believe in Christ will be saved.

"John 3:14-18 says, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Those who do not believe in Jesus will find out soon enough. They will not be caught up in the Rapture.

"The Pope has also said, "Jesus in his preaching said that agape, love for others, is the only way to love God. Correct me if I'm wrong."

A boy visiting the Pope said, "You're not wrong. The Son of God became incarnate in order to instill the feeling of brotherhood in the souls of men. All are brothers and all children of God. Abba, as he called the Father. I will show you the way, he said. Follow me and you will find the Father and you will all be his children and he will take delight in you. Agape, the love of each one of us for the other, from the closest to the furthest, is in fact the only way that Jesus has given us to find the way of salvation and of the Beatitudes."

Rom 10:9-13 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

EUGENIO SCALFARI, a young man visiting the Pope, said, "I am asking what you think is the essence of the world, indeed the universe. You must ask yourself, of course, like everyone else, who we are, where we come from, where we are going. Even children ask themselves these questions. And you?"

The Pope said, "I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.


"And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, his incarnation. JESUS IS MY TEACHER AND MY PASTOR, BUT GOD, THE FATHER, ABA, IS THE LIGHT AND THE CREATOR. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"



He thinks God the Father, is the creator, but Jesus is the creator. "All things were made by him." The Son of God existed before Gen. 1:1.

Pro 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? (God) what is his name (Yahweh), and what is his son's name (Jesus), if thou canst tell?

Joh 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Joh 1:10-14 says, "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Gen 1:1 says, "In the beginning God (i.e., the Son of God) created the heaven and the earth."

Heb 1:1-3 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".


"Pope Francis took a dramatic plunge Sunday into Mideast politics while on his Holy Land pilgrimage, receiving an acceptance from the Israeli and Palestinian presidents to visit him at the Vatican next month to discuss embattled peace efforts.

"Francis also buoyed Palestinian hopes by openly endorsing 'the State of Palestine.'"


Marilyn, why do you think ASCENSION day is May 29? 40 days past NISAN 17 (Apr 17, 2014) is May 27. The original Resurrection Day (Nisan 17) was a SUNDAY; so the original ASCENSION DAY was 40 days later, IYYAR 27 and this coming May 27 is IYYAR 27.

It's not SO important; but I just wanted to know what you think. I know you are busy (SO VERY knowledgeable); so don't feel stressed to answer me. You know me.......I keep going anyway!

To be sure, the fact that at the ASCENSION the angels said, "He shall come back in LIKE MANNER" is astounding! I think you've 'hit the exact day' (as far as I can surmise). We'll see!!!


Glad to hear from you.

This website tells about the dispute over the date.
"Counting the Omer
"When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest an omer of the first grain you harvest. He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath." Leviticus 23:10...

"The Omer and the Messiah

"On the same day that the Master was tried before an assemblage of priests and judges from the Sanhedrin, apostles of the Sanhedrin were sent out to a barley field not far from Jerusalem. On the same day that the Master was bound and crucified, the apostles of the Sanhedrin bound up the standing barley into bundles while it was still attached to the ground so that it would be easier to reap. (Menachot 10:3)

After the sun had set and the Sabbath was over, just hours before the Master rose from his tomb, the barley was reaped and collected in three baskets. That night the baskets of grain were carried to Jerusalem. They were delivered to the priesthood in the Temple. The baskets contained more than enough grain to constitute a full sheaf's worth: enough to fulfill the mandate of Leviticus 23:10. The Hebrew word for sheaf is omer."...

"A Subject of Dispute

The Harvest of the Barley Omer occurs sometime during the week of Unleavened Bread. It is a miniature festival within a festival. It is listed in Leviticus 23 along with all the appointed times of God. The exact date for the harvest of the barley omer, however, has been a subject of dispute for thousands of years.

The point of contention lies in the ambiguity of the Hebrew text. Verse 11 says the Omer is to be brought "on the day after the Sabbath." It is not clear whether the verse is referring to the weekly Sabbath or the special Sabbath which begins the week of Unleavened Bread. If the verse refers to the weekly Sabbath, then the Omer would always fall on a Sunday but would have no fixed calendar date. If, however, the verse refers to the special Sabbath of Unleavened Bread then the First Fruits of the Barley would always fall on the sixteenth day of the First Month but would not fall on a fixed week day.

In ancient times, the meaning of the verse was hotly debated between the Pharisees and a sect of the Sadducees. The Sadducees understood the "day after the Sabbath" as being Sunday. The Pharisees argued against the literal reading of Sadducees. The Pharisees ultimately prevailed, and as a result modern Judaism contends that the Sabbath in question refers to the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread. Thus in modern Jewish observance, the First Fruits of the Barley Omer always falls on the sixteenth day of the First Month, (the second day of Unleavened Bread.) However, Messianic believers may want to reconsider this traditional interpretation.

This website sets the date on May 25, this coming Sunday.

"40th day of the Omer, MAY 25, 2014"

This in uncanny, but May 25 marks the day this year that the Pope will go to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and sign an ecumenical document, and then go to the Cenacle (Upper Room), and the Temple Mount (on May 26).

It sounds like we should pay attention to events on both Sunday, May 25, and Thursday, May 29.

The Catholics dedicate May to Mary too.

"Pope heads to Middle East with hope for Christian unity"
Published: 18 May 2014, Updated: 18 May 2014

"Pope Francis will take part in an unprecedented joint prayer in Jerusalem next weekend with representatives of all the main branches of Christianity in a bid to put aside old rivalries."

The Pope is to celebrate mass in Manger Square on the 25th, and in the Cenacle, the Upper Room on the 26th.

Will the Pope worship Lucifer in the "mass"? Keep watching. He is also to visit the Temple Mount on the 26th.

This Pope worships Lucifer. There are several videos that recorded that Easter Mass right away after he took office. Here is one.

Apocalypse: Pope Francis worships Lucifer openly - Mar 31, 2013
"Apocalypse: Pope Grancis worships Lucifer openly
"The song called Exultet now will be part of the daily mass and is obligatory to sing for all Catholics. Pope Francis has said that any priest refusing to worship Lucifer will be sanctioned."

That is a definite sign of the end times.

As I understand it, both the Eastern and Western Churches celebrate Easter on Sunday, but not always the same Sunday, as it was this year. They count Easter as Omer 1, and Omer 40 as Ascension Day, which always falls on Thursday.

However, the Eastern Orthodox use the old Julian Calendar. The Western Churches use the Gregorian Calender, but this year, they set the same date. May 29 turns up here.

May 9, 2013 (Western)
June 13, 2013 (Eastern

May 29, 2014 (Western and Eastern)

May 14, 2015 (Western)
May 21, 2015 (Eastern)

May 5, 2016 (Western)
June 9, 2016 (Eastern)

Since Jesus was crucified on Thursday (Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD), his ascension on Thursday seems like something he would do.

Jesus was 33 when he Ascended.

When I asked my husband Ed (that came to see me in his celestial body) how old he was, 30 or 33, he said, "33." He was 87 when he died.

Also, when my mother died, I slept in her house the night after the funeral. When I awoke, I heard mother's voice say, "Marilyn, there's no way I'm 84 years old." Of course, she was 33 like Jesus, and like Ed.

We may follow in Jesus' footsteps and ascend on Ascension Day. He was 33 when he ascended, and we will become 33 when we ascend. I'm 85, so that sounds wonderful. Ed looked exactly as he did when he was 33.

Also, the number 29 means departure. I hope we depart on May 29, 2014/Iyar 29, 5774. We had the Wedding Ring Eclipse on April 29/Nisan 29. That seems like a good sign for the Bride of Christ. The very next day after Ascension Day, May 29/Iyar 29, the alignment between the Hebrew and Gregorian calendars ends. It will be May 30/Sivan 1.

I'm happy with the way my life is turning out. I said, "Yes" to Jesus and "Yes" to Ed, when he asked me to marry him. Now, I am soon going to be with both Jesus and Ed forever. I can't think of anything better. Before he died, Ed said that he was going to die and I was going to get lots of rewards. I haven't the slightest idea what those will be. I already know about being with both Jesus and Ed. That is the ultimate in rewards in my mind. Anything else will be like icing on the cake.

I don't know how often our calendars align as they have this spring, the first spring of the last tetrad that will align with Feast Days for 600 years, but this alignment sounds encouraging.


By LARS ENARSON, May 22,2014
"Everything about the pope's visit is carefully arranged in great detail to convey a political message. That the "Vicar of Christ on earth" has chosen to meet with the Palestinian leader Abbas before he meets with the Prime Minister of Israel, even though Abbas has just signed a unity agreement with Hamas, is no mistake even though the political implications are wicked and a desecration of the Name the pope claims to represent.

"The pope's limited time in Jerusalem will be equally political in nature. After first visiting with Greek Orthodox Church leaders on the evening of his arrival, the first thing he will do the following morning is, not to go to the Western Wall, but to visit the Temple Mount-or as the Vatican expresses it, "The Esplanade of the Mosques"-accompanied by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in a show of approval of Islamic rule over the Temple Mount, Judaism's most sacred site in the world."


Dan 9:26, 27 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself (i.e., for us): and the people (i.e., Romans) of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (fulfilled in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood (i.e., a tsunami, when Gog's army attacks Israel and an asteroid as big as a mountain hits the Mediterranean Sea), and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he (i.e., the Roman prince that shall come) SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK (i.e., 7 years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, disgusting, idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Mat 24:13-22 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."


By MICHAEL FREUND, May 21, 2014

"After several exasperating decades, one of the thorniest and most painful issues on Israel's public agenda may at last be heading toward a resolution. In a move underlining the national consensus regarding the Temple Mount, Likud MK Miri Regev and Labor MK Hilik Bar have reached across the aisle to prepare a joint bill that would allow Jews to pray at the nation's holiest site."

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: heaven is real

Marilyn, Just wanted to drop a note and tell you how much I was comforted and encouraged by your testimony on 5 Doves. Beautiful! My husband died in 2012 and I dream of him often. We had a 'oneness' that was not easy to explain to others. The answers your husband gave just made me swoon. Thank you and blessings from Him who is faithful and true! Sheryl

-------------from my post on Five Doves----------------
I have other proof that heaven is real. My husband Ed, 87 years old, died Dec. 27, 2011.

He had accepted Jesus when he was 14, and prayed for the Lord to give him a Christian wife when on board a ship returning home from Japan after WW II. The Lord pulled off some miracles to get this Indiana girl and Tennessee boy to meet. I am so thankful. We are perfect for each other, and were together 65 years without a fight.

On April 2, 2012, Ed came to see me in his celestial body. Now I can understand how Jesus went through a wall or door.

Ed walked into the bedroom fast, grinning ear to ear, answered a few questions I asked, then walked through the wall.

I asked, "Are you 30 or 33? He said, "33."
"Can we be together forever?" That was the main thing I needed to know. Halleluiah, "Thank you, Lord," he said, "Yes."
"Are there female angels in Heaven?" He said, "Yes."
"Have you gotten with your family?" He said, "Yes."
"Have you gotten with my family?" He said, "Yes."
"Do you have a piano? He said, "Yes" and walked through the wall.

His black shirt and pants were made of thin material that had the sheen of silk as it flowed around his shin. His black shoes looked ordinary. His clothing went through the wall with him.

I also know that Heaven is real.

1Co_15:40 says, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."

The celestial bodies look, walk, smile and talk normal, but they can walk through the wall.


Thanks for letting me know. I understand your "oneness." We had that too. Ed asked me out once and got me forever. He asked me to marry him three days later, and I said, Yes. We knew right away that we belonged together.

Years ago, I dreamed of both of us in heaven. We walked up to the door in a large warehouse type building, and a boy I had brought to the Lord (by writing him pen pal letters with Bible studies in them) ran up and hugged me. He barely made it. He stepped on a mine in Viet Nam right after that.

Inside the building were long tables with white tablecloths on them. We were served food. From that dream, I knew Ed and I would be together in Heaven, but I didn't know if we would always be together. Now, I can rest easy. We will be together forever. I couldn't be happy otherwise. Agape

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