Pro and Con 1806

Posted 6-27-14



(cont'd from Procon1805)


Dan 10:14 says, "Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people (i.e., the Israelites) in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days."

Dan 11:21-24 says, "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. 22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant (i.e., a Roman, Dan 9:26,27). 23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. 24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: (i.e., Pope Francis wants to give the riches of the Vatican to the poor) yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time."

Nicole Winfield writes "Pope Francis Calls For 'Legitimate Redistribution' Of Wealth To The Poor"
Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who are meeting in Rome this week.

The Pope said, "Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God's providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others."

Dan 11:31 says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary (miqdash, a consecrated holy place, i.e., the Temple Mount) of strength, and shall take away (sur, turn off) the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (shiqquts, an idol) that maketh desolate."

This ties in with Mat 24:15-19. The time is Mid-Trib. It says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (an idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee (pheugo, flee or vanish, i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture, the First-Trump Rapture) into the mountains". 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house. 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!"

The children may be taken up in both Raptures.

Joel_2:15-18 says, "Blow the TRUMPET in Zion (i.e., it is the Feast of Trumpets), sanctify a fast (i.e., the upcoming Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly: Gather (asaph, take up, take away, withdraw, i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture) the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders (i.e., they were caught up in the First-Trump Rapture), gather (asaph, take up, take away, i.e., rapture) the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (i.e., she is already in Heaven, having been caught up in the Mid-Trib Rapture). 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after the Mid-Trib Rapture) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., on the Day of God's wrath, Rev. 6:17; 7:9-14) thy people (i.e., the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be raptured in the Last-Trump Rapture), every one that shall be found written in the book."


1Cor 15:52 says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (including Paul) shall be changed" (i.e., become immortal).

Isa 26:5 says, "For he bringeth down them that dwell on high (i.e., Satan and his fallen angels); the lofty city (i.e., Satan's home on the asteroid Wormwood) he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust."

Isa 22:5 For it is a day of trouble, and of treading down, and of perplexity by the Lord GOD of hosts in the valley of vision, breaking down the walls, and of crying to the mountains."

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (the asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station (matstsab, fixed spot), and from thy state (maamad, position) shall he pull thee down."

Isa 14:12-23 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. 21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. 22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

Rev 8:6-11 says, "And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (i.e., the Mediterranean Sea, Eze 38:18-23): and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood (meaning bitter): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

The Feast of Trumpets is known to some as the Wedding of the Messiah. The Church is the Bride of Christ. The First-Trump Rapture is when the Church is caught up to heaven to be married to Christ.

We are told that the new moon and the Feasts of the Lord are a shadow of things to come in Col 2:16,17. Since the Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast of the Lord that falls on a new moon, we should consider it as a possible time of the First-trump Rapture. When it takes place, it will shake Israel up, and the Day of Atonement will be just ten days later.

Col 2:16,17 says, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast (coming on the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."


Seven days before the Day of Atonement, the High Priest was purified by being sprinkled with spring water containing ashes of the Red Heifer.

Prayers for the speedy rebuilding of the Temple follow on the fast day, the Day of Atonement. It falls on Sat. Oct. 4, 2014 and Wed. Sept. 23, 2015.

Since we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, the literal Temple in Jerusalem hasn't been built, but after we are raptured, the physical Temple can be built. Everything seems to be ready, except the veil that closes off the Holy of Holies, and they are working on that.

Jewish Women Recreating Temple Veil

Israel has already made a portable altar. That (and the ashes of a red heifer) explain how sacrifices could start even before the actual Temple construction begins.

Hag 2:15-18 says, "And now, I pray you, consider (lit., take it to heart) from this day (Kislev 24) and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD: 16 Since those days were, when one came to an heap of twenty measures, there were but ten: when one came to the pressfat for to draw out fifty vessels out of the press, there were but twenty. 17 I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labours of your hands; yet ye turned not to me, saith the LORD. 18 Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it."

Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24. Hag 2:19 says, "Is the seed yet in the barn? (an expression meaning is she pregnant) yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

Hanukkah (starting on Kislev 25) was when the Maccabees rededicated the Temple. That may be played out on the same dates as before.

Ezr 3:6 may play out again. It says, "From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid."


Just got a call from my son Ty, He said his 5 year old son Tyler said, "Dad you know that God does not move?" Ty said, why do you say that? Well, said Tyler, God is everywhere, He does not move.

Needless to say, I was stunned. In my 82 years I had never considered that idea. Out of the mouth of babes He (Jesus) receives perfect praise.


Good thinking.


PLACE A GOOGLE SEARCH: Palm Sunday rapture LOOK FOR THE WEBSITE TITLED: 'Officially Revealed' to the Jews Until Palm Sunday


Be careful not to be misled by what is published at:

The writer means well. He wants to bring the Jews into a saving relationship with Christ. However, even human beings with the best of intentions can make a mistake. None of us are perfect.

Whoever wrote that said, "if it was 69 full Weeks UNTIL the Messiah even arrived, and as history records He ministered 3 1/2 additional years AFTER the 69 Weeks, then how could He have been 'Cut Off' at the exact end of 69 Weeks. To this end, if His ministry surpassed in any length of time 69 full Weeks then He would have automatically entered into Daniel's 70th Week."

Dan 9:26 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall (i.e., future tense) Messiah be cut off (karath, killed)".

It merely says, "after". There is nothing there that indicates that we should add another 3.5 years to the 69 weeks. It doesn't mention anything about his ministry, only about him being killed sometime after that 62 weeks of years.

His statement, "if His ministry surpassed in any length of time 69 full Weeks then He would have automatically entered into Daniel's 70th Week" is wrong.

There is a huge gap between the 69th and 70th weeks. Even the Crucifixion was in the gap.

Dan 9:26 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (nagiyd, commander, civil, military or religious) that shall come (future tense, i.e., after the 62 weeks) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

In the gap, the people (Romans, led by Titus) of the prince that shall come in our days destroyed the "city" (Jerusalem) and the "sanctuary" (Temple) in 70 AD. The gap still went on after that. It has continued to our days.

Dan 9:27 says, "And he (i.e., the Roman prince that shall come in the future) shall confirm (gabar, strengthen) the covenant (beriyth, cutting a compact [made by passing between pieces of flesh], covenant, league) with many for one week (shabua, a week, specifically of years, i.e., 7 years): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation (minchah, donation) to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, detestable idols) he shall make it desolate (shamem, to stun, to be an astonishment), even until the consummation (kalah, completion, destruction), and that determined (charats, to point sharply, to wound) shall be poured upon the desolate (shamem, ruined)."

The writer asked, "how could He have been 'Cut Off' at the exact end of 69 Weeks."

Scripture doesn't say he was cut off at the "exact end of 69 Weeks." He was cut off after the end of the 69 weeks.

It is plain. Verse 26 says, "after (achar, after that, following, hereafter) threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off".

In another place, the author said, "The Romans, who under Titus, after the expiration of the 70 weeks, destroyed the temple and the city, and dispersed the Jews."

The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD, before the 70th week, not after it. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: grasshopper invasion

So Many Bugs It Looked Like A Rain
Storm 1000 Feet over New Mexico
Lubber Swarm so Dense Shows up on Radar!
New Mexico: Inundated with Grasshoppers
One of the largest and slowest moving grasshoppers,
lubbers can attain 3 inches and cause a great deal of damage
News-The worst grasshopper infestation in 20
years has become so thick around Albuquerque, N.M.
The bugs were so dense they appeared on radar like rain.


I know what that is like, we were caught in a swarm of huge black flying insects at Quartzite, AZ, on our way to California in 1955. It gives me chills on top of chills to think of it. They dive bombed us, hit us in the face, etc. We saw huge piles of dead ones swept up by owners when we stopped for gas, something to eat, or a place to spend the night.

I hadn't heard of "lubbers" before, so I searched on Google. It said, "Most lubber grasshoppers are horrible jumpers, cannot fly, and are pretty slow at walking." That is not what Albuquerque has to put up with now. These grasshoppers can fly at 1000 ft. altitude.

Now, there are "locusts" leveling the crops at Herald, CA, in Sacramento county. They are expected to stick around for a month.

One person said to use Diatomaceous Earth, which is available at Swimming Pool Supply stores, He said, "Diatomite is used as an insecticide, due to its physico-sorptive properties. The fine powder absorbs lipids from the waxy outer layer of insects', causing them to dehydrate."

Radar operators at Albuquerque were confused by a green cloud. It turned out to be grasshoppers flying at 1,000 ft. altitude. They were even showing up on weather radar.

News I heard on the Internet also said that the grasshoppers were coming in too fast for home-owners to use bug spray. However, in 1955, we saw huge piles of dead insects swept up at businesses along the way. They died in huge numbers some way.

I know that planes spray locusts in Israel, Egypt, Africa and Australia. Egypt has an outbreak now. In Australia, they are readying nine planes to start spraying now. Surely our government will spray by plane.

This outbreak of grasshoppers is supposed to be caused by winter drought. There wasn't enough cold to kill their eggs. They all hatched. The only ones happy are chickens and turkeys.

"Albuquerque has not seen these levels of grasshoppers since the early-mid 1990's," said John R. Garlisch, extension agent at Bernalillo County Cooperative Extension Service." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Weather Disasters
<= Sun-Drawn Dwarf Star [Planet X]

1) You're wrong about the ability to see it. It emits infrared light, and thus, standard telescopes cannot detect it.
2) You're wrong when you say that it has not been seen. NASA has seen it recently with their South Pole infrared telescope facility. NASA has also seen it with their Chandra X-ray Observatory Satellite. Also, NASA had seen and photographed it 34 years ago with their Infrared Astronomical Satellite. You did not read the two newspaper articles I sent. When you read them, you may realize that you did not study the evidence before making your judgment. Please read carefully:

The NEW YORK TIMES: Incoming dwarf star (Planet X) SOUGHT by NASA

The WASHINGTON POST: Incoming dwarf star (Planet X) DISCOVERED by NASA


I read both articles. I just don't believe a star, another burning Sun, is orbiting in our Solar System. How it could be dark and unseen by the naked eye is beyond my understanding of what a star is.

I also don't think there could be another planet near Saturn without our finding it. We have found at least 67 moons around Saturn already.


Cassini has gotten some amazing pictures of Saturn and Enceladus (which sprays water geysers into the air to replenish Saturn's icy rings). I think Cassini would have photographed "planet X" if it was anywhere near Saturn.

We see normal photographs of Saturn in Sunlight, and we see photos taken in the infrared. Saturn shows up well both ways, but they show different colors. The picture of Saturn in infrared on the following NASA site shows surprising detail. However, Saturn is red, and the rings are greens and blues.

"This colorized mosaic from NASA's Cassini mission shows an infrared view of the Saturn system, backlit by the sun, from July 19, 2013. The image, made from data obtained by Cassini's visual and infrared mapping spectrometer, covers a swath of Saturn and its rings about 340,000 miles (540,000 kilometers) across that includes the planet and its rings out to the diffuse E ring."

In the Bible, Eze 28:12-16 shows us that in the beginning, there were 10 planets in our Solar System. Psa_8:3 says, "When I consider thy heavens (i.e., 10 planets), the work of thy fingers" (i.e., 10 fingers and 10 original planets).

Eze 28:12-16 says, "take up a lamentation upon the king (i.e., Satan) of Tyrus (meaning the rock, i.e., first the planet Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt, or Wormwood, Satan's home at the present time), and say unto him (i.e., Satan), Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 THOU HAST BEEN IN EDEN the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (mesukkah, garniture, from sakak, to join together), the sardius (1. Mercury), topaz (2. Venus), and the diamond (3. Earth), the beryl (4. Mars), the onyx (5. Rahab), and the jasper (6. Jupiter), the sapphire (meaning dear to the planet (7) Saturn, from the Sanskrit, Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear), the emerald (8. Uranus), and the carbuncle (9. Neptune), and gold (10. Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (sakak, joins together, i.e., Rehab joined the terrestrial planets to the giant planets); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (i.e., on Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., on Rahab). 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (i.e., Saturn): and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire" (i.e., first from the planet Rahab, later from the asteroid Wormwood).

The planets look like burning lamps in the sky. According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the candlestick represented (1) Sun, (2)Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn. (Ant. III. VI. 7). Rahab had become the Asteroid Belt before Adam was created.

I see no way of putting another planet in the lineup that the Son of God created, especially near Saturn. His throne is on the "sapphire" planet, Saturn.

Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of GOD."

Eze. 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone (Jesus' September birthstone, meaning Heaven): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (i.e., THE ONLY GOD/MAN IS JESUS) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is the amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow (rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

God's heaven has a halo.

By the time Adam was created, Satan's planet Rahab had been reduced to our Asteroid Belt.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., Wormwood)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq, where Babylon is located): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., terrestrial planets), and a flaming sword (i.e., Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (it rotated and orbited), to keep the way (derek, pathway) of (probably meaning to) the tree of life" (which is on Saturn). Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Weather Disasters <= Sun-Drawn Dwarf Star [Planet X]

Thank you for your information, including the Bible passages and the photos. Your sincerity and concern are worth my keeping you informed as to the approach of this dwarf star by the indrawing gravitational pull of our Sun. As these meteorological and geological disasters increase, you will need to know how to protect yourself and others, physically and spiritually.


As long as it has taken since that idea first arose, I will be outta here before it gets here.

I'm watching to see what will happen when the Pope goes to Jesus' grave this Sunday. This is the true grave, in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, verified by the appearance of the Holy Fire on the Eve of each Easter. I'm convinced that his grave is not at the "Garden Tomb" site.

This Pope worships Lucifer. There are several videos that recorded that Easter Mass right away when he took office. Here is one.

Apocalypse: Pope Francis worships Lucifer openly - Mar 31, 2013

"Flammas eius Lucifer matutinus inveniat: ille, inquam, Lucifer, qui nescet occasum. Christus Filius tuus, qui, regressus ab inferis, humano generi serenus illuit, et vivit et regnat in saecula aeculorum. Amen"
"Apocalypse: Pope Francis worships Lucifer openly
"The song called Exultet now will be part of the daily mass and is obligatory to sing for all Catholics. Pope Francis has said that any priest refusing to worship Lucifer will be sanctioned" Agape

" do we receive the Holy Spirit? We receive the Holy Spirit by simply receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior (John 3:5-16). When do we receive the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit becomes our permanent possession the moment we believe. Agape


"Pope Francis formally entrusted the world to Mary before a congregation of more than 100,000 in St Peter's Square on Sunday.

"We are confident that each of us is precious in your sight," the Pope said, facing the statue of Mary that normally stands in the shrine at Fatima, Portugal. "Guard our lives in your arms, bless and strengthen every desire for goodness."

The short ceremony was the culmination of a special Marian Day organised for the Year of Faith. In his homily during morning Mass, Pope Francis celebrated Mary as a model of docility, fidelity and gratitude to God.

"Let us invoke Mary's intercession," he said. "May she help us to be open to God's surprises, to be faithful to him each and every day, and to praise and thank him, for he is our strength."

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