Pro and Con 1807

Posted 7-4-14



Deu 11:14, says "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS (i.e., Christ's) due season, the first rain and the latter rain."

The first rain, i.e., the First Coming of Christ, was on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets in 5 BC.

The latter rain, i.e., the Second Coming of Christ, will probably be on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016.

Psa 104:27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.

Psa 104:30 says, "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth."


"A Plan to Rebuild"

"There was one occasion after the destruction of the Second Temple when the Jews were able to formulate plans to rebuild their temple. The man behind this project was the Roman Emperor, Flavius Claudius Julianus, a nephew of Constantine - also known as Julian the Apostate because of his opposition to Christianity. Julian planned the project in the last year of his reign in A.D. 363. Julian rescinded all the anti-Jewish laws that his uncle Constantine had instituted. He issued an edict that the Temple be rebuilt in Jerusalem. This caused a great deal of excitement among the Jews. From far and wide, Jews came to Jerusalem to help in the rebuilding work. Julian supplied the necessary funds and appointed Alypius of Antioch, the Roman Governor of Great Britain, to carry out the project. Jews from all over gave from their wealth upon the projected work of rebuilding the Temple. The roads to Jerusalem were filled with multitudes of Jewish men and women who had hopes of seeing a Third Temple built.

"Then sudden tragedy struck. The foundations of the Second Temple were barely uncovered when flames of fire burst forth from under the ground. The flames were accompanied by large explosions. The cause for the flames were probably the result of noxious gas in the subterranean passages catching fire. The workmen fled and the building was stopped, never again to be restarted. Many believed that the explosion and fire were a demonstration of the anger of God."

NOTE: I understand. We are the Temple of God until the First-trump Rapture takes place.

With their hopes dashed, the Jews were then driven into Exile and became wanderers in foreign lands. They were people without a homeland. For some eighteen centuries they would be dispersed and persecuted. Throughout time their thoughts were of the Temple which once stood in Jerusalem and prayers for its restoration.


Thanks for telling us about the sign you found.

I have worked years on when Jesus was born and died. Maybe we can help each other. You know more about astronomy programs than I do, and you make beautiful charts. You can check me out and see if I figured the astronomy part correctly. It sounds like you have found another sign I had not considered, both in BC 5 and today. The date of the hexagram on Nov 14, 2011 to July 22, 13 seems to fit right in with the last tetrad.

I will copy my work on the birth and death of Jesus at the end of this discussion.

I know that astronomers add in a zero year, so if I want to check something out in 5 BC, I have to put in 4 BC. The astronomy programs are more reliable than the modern calendar programs. The torah calendar is more accurate in those days. The Gregorian Calendar is useless in those days. They used the Julian Calendar.

I have figured out a workaround so I can use Calendar Converter though. I add 2 days to the Hebrew Calendar and the Julian Calendar will then be correct. Those 2 days were caused by Hillel II's postponements. Calendar Converter just extrapolated the modern calendar backward, so they are off by 2 days in 5 BC and 30 AD.

> > Nonetheless, it would also be symbolically that the Messiah would be born and die on a Passover.

I think Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, Sept. 4, 5 BC. The sign in Rev. 12 has to be in the sky for the correct date for Tishri 1. I searched for that at YourSky. The only place I could find that sign was Sept. 4, 5 BC. I set the city as Jerusalem. The Moon has to be under Virgo's feet on the true Tishri 1 when Jesus was born.

This may apply both to Jesus and to the Body of Christ, the Church. If it applies to us, the First-Trump Rapture should be on the Feast of Trumpets Mid-Trib.

Rev 12:1-5 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."

Herod died between the eclipse on March 13, 4 BC and Passover. He had three sons who started their reigns in 4 BC, locking Herod's death in 4 BC.

Haggai 2:18,19 tells us that the "seed" (i.e., Jesus, Gen. 3:15) was conceived on Kislev 24. Therefore, Jesus was born on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets.

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider (lit., take it to heart) now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (i.e., Jesus, I Cor. 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (i.e., Jesus, Gen 3:15) yet in the barn (a saying meaning is she pregnant)? yea (YES), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (meaning the upright), and the olive tree (Israel with the Gentile believers grafted in), hath not brought forth (nasa, lifted up, i.e., been raptured): from this day will I bless you." The Saviour was on his way on Kislev 24.

Jesus was born into a new world on the Feast of Trumpets. Since we are the Body of Christ, there is good reason to think that we could be born into a new world on the Feast of Trumpets too. Different calendars have the Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 25-27, 2014. I hope the First-Trump Rapture will take place this year.

> > If any Feast of the LORD would have corresponded to when the Messiah was to die as a 'lamb' metaphor, it could not have been any except Passover. Thus perhaps the Lamb of GOD could thus only have been born on Passover just as well in keeping with this godly theme of a sacrificial substitution promised to Abraham and plan of redemption for Humanity.

I think Jesus died on the preparation of the Passover, Thursday, April 6, 30 AD.

Mat_26:5 says, "But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people."

Mar_14:2 says, "But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar of the people."

Mar_15:42 says, "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation"

Luk_23:54 says, "And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath (i.e., the Annual Sabbath, Passover) drew on."

Joh_13:1 says, "Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."

Joh_18:28 says, "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

John 19:14,15 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him."

> > The Passover is the only one of the 7 main Feast of YHVH that requires an animal sacrifices.

There were animal sacrifices at Pentecost, and at other feasts.

Lev 23:18-20 says, "And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD. 19 Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings. 20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest."

> > In 32 AD, a total lunar eclipse or Blood Moon did occur at that precise time mathematically. This stipulated scenario and series of events would concur if the Blood Moon event that occurred in 32 AD as if to 'punctuate' this time with its apex at 23:02 hours was the actual day of the death of Jesus prior to sunset.

The darkness was supernatural. It lasted longer than an eclipse.

Jesus began his ministry by announcing the coming Jubilee Year (28 AD) on the Sabbath near his birthday and near the Day of Atonement in 27 AD. He read from Isa. 61:1,2.

Luk 4:16-21 says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

> > The Celestial Crucifixion
> > This study with corresponding chart online will focus on the makeup of the particular Star of David astronomical alignment that occurred on March 2, -5 BC and its particulars and possible implication leading up to the birth of the Royal King, Jesus Christ.

The "Celestial Crucifixion" is new to me, so I searched on Google and found some of your work. Among your charts, I found the one showing the Temple north of the Dome of the Rock. I think it should be south of the Dome of the Rock. According to Josephus, the rock under the Dome was in Fort Antonia, north of the Temple court.

Josephus said, "Now, as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice...the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up, or to go down it, might not be able to hold his feet upon it." (Ant. V. V. 8)

Later on, the Crusaders cut down a lot of that rock. What is left is too wide to have fit inside the Holy of Holies.

Not having heard of the hexagram alignment before, I searched for it on Google. Here is what I found.

"Celestial researcher Luis Vega has documented a special alignment of the planets that he calls the Star of David planetary alignment. It occurs when certain planets form a geometric configuration of "2 interlocking triangles that have 6 equidistant points within a 360 degree circle. One triangle is facing up & the other facing down in a 2-dimensional aspect ratio."

"Mr. Vega has identified that 12 of these alignments have occurred since 1990 and a 13th will begin on July 22, 2013, and another will not occur for at least 100 years. He has also identified that the last 12 have had significant troublous events occur after their appearance....

"The Star of David alignments appear to have definite numerical patterns with corresponding symmetry to other Star of David alignments & with Total Lunar Eclipses. There are 13 Star of David planetary alignments that occur since 1990. The 13th Star of David alignment will be the 'last one' leading up to the Tetrad of 2014-2015. Like the Total Solar Eclipses on the 1st of Av that occurred in 2008, 2009 & 2010 that starting the 'countdown' to the 7 year Solar-Lunar pattern, it appears that this same principle or 'astronomical law' is also at work with the Star of David alignment pattern leading to some sort of a cosmic countdown.

"Perhaps it is like a celestial drum-roll that could be corresponding to the 'labor pains' that Jesus Christ warned about would characterize the Last Days before His Return. According to a generic description of a woman's labor pains, the contractions become more intense & closer together in terms of frequency. It just so happens that the Star of David alignment pattern in the Heavens likewise has an increase in frequency leading up to singular one right before the Tetrad of 2014-15. This is assuming that the Tetrad of 2014-15 is when the LORD will focus back on national Israel & could very well be within the Tribulation Period as prophesized in Daniel 9."

I also watched the video "Hexagram - The Truth Behind the "Star of David".

I agree that this sign and the Tetrad seem to be pointing us to end time events.

> > It is this study's supposition that the Star of Bethlehem was a serious of divine orchestrated alignments and events over a 4 year period of time that reflected the series of unique planetary conjunction and celestial alignments at this particular time and place related to GOD's promise to Israel of the birth of their Royal King, the Messiah.

> > This would make the center dividing line of the hexagram perpendicular to the other 2 cardinal stars of Regulus and Fomalhault, that of Leo and Aquarius. These allude to the 4 Living Creatures of the Lion, Bull, Eagle and Man Seraphim that are before the very Throne of YHVH according to the Bible.

Those four faces were on the flags set at the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle. I learned that from Clarence Larkin.

The rest I had to figure out with the Lord's help. It took me over 7 years. In all the books I read from the Seminary Collection at BIOLA Library in La Mirada, CA., no one knew what Ezekiel saw. Some thought they were angels. The picture below shows us what he saw. The central "fire infolding itself" that had "brightness" about it was the Sun. Around it, orbiting in four concentric rings, wheels within wheels, were the four terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Around those is the "great cloud" of asteroids. Beyond that is Saturn, the only amber planet with a rainbow-like ring around it.

The terrestrial planets are called cherubim. The outer planets are called cherubim or seraphim, which means burners. They give off more heat than they get from the Sun.

Earth is one of the orbiting globes.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively flying orbs), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the earth by the living creatures (lively flying orbs), with his (earth's) four faces." Earth faces east, south, west and north all at the same time, as do all the planets. Those faces were on the flags put at the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle.

In the first verse of Eze 1, Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." I should have paid more attention to that. He was shown the heavens, and he did see God, the God/man Jesus Christ.

Eze 1:26-28 shows us where the throne of the God/man (Jesus) is located, on Saturn. It says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (which means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is the only amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. (that is Saturn's ring system.) 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, told us that the candlestick in the Temple represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, the last of the naked-eye planets. (Ant. III. VI. 7)

The sapphire is Jesus' September birthstone, and it means heaven. We may be born into a new world on the Feast of Trumpets and also have the sapphire September birthstone that means heaven.

2Sa 22:11,12 says of the LORD, "he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. 12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies." Saturn has very thick clouds.

Eze 1:10 says, "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."

Each of the planetary globes faced four directions at the same time. The lion means east. The man means south. The ox means west. The eagle means north.

Isa 6:1-3 says, "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory."

> > Some scholars argue that all this timing of Christ's possible birth can be pegged and/or fixed around the purported death of Herod in -4 BC and thus the hexagram alignment must be that ethereal 'Star of Bethlehem'. It was also equated that Herod died on a total blood moon, but there were none in -4 BC according to NASA's calculations. First there is the discrepancy of date setting of when 'BC' really started. Moreover, Herod was a family name in that one of his sons was also named Herod so it could have alluded to this Herod. Then there is the question of what Jewish calendar is being used and the discrepancy of several days eliminated due to the conversion from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. The names of the months of the western year calendar based on the Latin is off too as a whole month of 'August' in honor of Augustus Caesar was factored in which throw off the sequence at least in terms of the nomenclature.

Herod died between a lunar eclipse and Passover.

(I also included my chart of Jesus' birth and death that is on Pro and Con 1676.)

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