Pro and Con 1809

Posted 7-13-14



Saturn is not all gas, as some say. Heaven is a rock. In Psalm 27:5, David said, "For in the time of trouble (i.e., Mid-Trib, when the Great Tribulation begins) he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up (rum, to rise, be lifted up) upon a rock."

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The "secret of his tabernacle" is that the two cubes in the Holy Place represented Mars and Jupiter, and the cube called the Holy of holies represented the third heaven, Saturn, which is a rock. Like a sphere, a cube has the same length, width and height.

Psa_40:2,3 says, "He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (i.e., out of Earth), and SET MY FEET UPON A ROCK (i.e., Heaven), and established my goings. 3 And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Rev_5:9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation".


Furthermore, since the Feast of Trumpets is also known as the "Wedding of the Messiah", this phrase, of the "unknown day or hour" is a Rapture reference in three ways:
1. It refers to the time in the wedding when the Groom would return to fetch the Bride,
2. It refers to the Day of the Feast of Trumpets,
3. It refers to the "Wedding of the Messiah" on the Feast of Trumpets.

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: jfh (6 July 2014) Saturn and the New Jerusalem"

"The seven planets of the old cosmology included the Sun (Sol) and the Moon (Luna), which we now don't regard as planets at all. The other five were Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter [Jove], and Saturn."

The poem "The Planets" by C.S. LEWIS pictures Saturn as the last planet representing Satan, I believe. Geocentricity and not heliocentricity was in Scripture all those many years before Corpernicus in the 1500s. The following is the last part about Saturn.

That his ray ripens. Of wrath ended
And woes mended, of winter passed
And guilt forgiven, and good fortune
Jove is master; and of jocund revel,
Laughter of ladies. The lion-hearted,
The myriad-minded, men like the gods,
Helps and heroes, helms of nations
Just and gentle, are Jove's children,
Work his wonders. On his white forehead
Calm and kingly, no care darkens
Nor wrath wrinkles: but righteous power
And leisure and largess their loose splendours
Have wrapped around him – a rich mantle
Of ease and empire. Up far beyond
Goes SATURN silent in the seventh region,
The skirts of the sky. Scant grows the light,
Sickly, uncertain (the Sun's finger
Daunted with darkness). Distance hurts us,
And the vault severe of vast silence;
Where fancy fails us, and fair language,
And love leaves us, and light fails us
And Mars fails us, and the mirth of Jove
Is as tin tinkling. In tattered garment,
Weak with winters, he walks forever
A weary way, wide round the heav'n,
Stoop'd and stumbling, with staff groping,
The lord of lead. He is the last planet
Old and ugly. His eye fathers
Pale pestilence, pain of envy,
Remorse and murder. Melancholy drink
(For bane or blessing) of bitter wisdom
He pours out for his people, a perilous draught
That the lip loves not. We leave all things
To reach the rim of the round welkin,
Heaven's heritage, high and lonely.

My answer: NO. The New Jerusalem is spiritual and far above the circle of the earth.

Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:"


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I do not know exactly what you are saying "NO" to, so please forgive me if I cover the same things again.

> > The poem "The Planets" by C.S. LEWIS pictures Saturn as the last planet representing Satan, I believe.

According to the Bible, I think Saturn, our third heaven, is the throne of Jesus Christ. That is why Satan tries so hard to discredit it.


Eze 1:1 says, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of GOD."

Using animation, God tells us about the four rotating, orbiting terrestial planets called cherubim.

He also used animation when describing the seraphim and the morning stars.

Job 38:6,7 says, "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (chay, lively, i.e., four rotating flying globes, called cherubim in Eze 10:3), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the earth (therefore the cherubim represent Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars) by the living creatures, with his four faces."

How do we know the cherubim are terrestrial planets? Eze 1:5 says, "Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures (i.e., lively, rotating and flying creations). And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man (adam, meaning red earth, clay)".

Earth, a globe, faces 4 directions at the same time. Those same faces were on the flags put at the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle. The lion means east. The man mean south. The ox means west. The eagle means north.

These four faces show up again in Rev 4:1-8. It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (representing the First-Trump Rapture), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., the God/man Jesus Christ) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone (i.e., the first and last stones in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and last, LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (i.e., the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne (i.e., as in the candlestick: 1. Sun, 2. Mercury, 3. Venus, 4. Earth, 5. Mars, 6. Jupiter and 7. Saturn), which are the seven Spirits of God (i.e., they are God breathed). 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass (hualinos, glassy, transparent, i.e., ice crystals in Saturn's ring system) like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion (representing east), and the second beast like a calf (representing west), and the third beast had a face as a man (representing south), and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle (representing north). 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him (i.e., they fly); and they were full of eyes (full orbs, i.e., globes) within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, revealed that the lampstand in the Temple represented (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars (6 ) Jupiter and (7) Saturn. (Ant. III. VI. 7; Wars. V. V. 5).

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear, as Jesus' September birthstone, it means heaven): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is our only amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."


2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up (HARPAZO, RAPTURED) into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."


Eze 10:2 says, "And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (i.e., between the concentric orbits of the terrestrial planets), even under the cherub (i.e., Satan, who lives on the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11), and fill thine hand with coals of fire (i.e., asteroids) from between the cherubims (the terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight."

Since Wormwood orbits between the terrestrial planets, it could be catalogued as an Aten, Amor or Apollo asteroid.

Isaiah 40:22 gives us another clue to where heaven is located. It says, "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in"


The Tabernacle was a tent. Inside the Tabernacle, if a priest looked up, he saw a curtain spread over the top of the Tabernacle. There were 5 widths of fabric sewn together and another 5 widths sewn together (the front width was of double thickness, which may have indicated Saturn's thick cloud cover). The two pieces of the curtain were hooked together with clasps. Looking up, one would see that a cherubim was embroidered on each width of fabric. The cherubim represented the planets in our solar system, ten in all, (as if God flung them off of his fingers) Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars and Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt) on one side, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto on the other side.

Eze_28:12-18 says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (meaning rock, i.e., Wormwood, Rev 8:11), and say unto him (i.e., Satan, who lives on Wormwood), Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (i.e., surroundings), the sardius (i.e., Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth (sakak, joined together); and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (i.e., on Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., on Rahab). 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (i.e., out of Saturn Mid-Trib): and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., from between the planets). 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (i.e., on Earth), I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (Rahab, Wormwood, and Babylon) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate (i.e., on Rahab), but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (i.e., the Day of the Lord, when the asteroid will destroy Babylon and probably form the Lake of Fire somewhere nearby).

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (i.e., not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."


Isa 14:12-23 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven (i.e., Saturn), O Lucifer (Devil, Satan, Rev 12:9) son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground (i.e., Earth), which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (iysh, male person) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. 21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. 22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts."

Here is the verse I saw a rectangle of light on in a darkened room.

Jer 50:2 says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

This destruction will take place on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, immediately after the Last-Trump Rapture. The Lord will wipe away their tears.

Rev 18:4 says, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Rev_18:10 says, "Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Gen 3:24 says, "So he drove out the man (Adam); and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets), and a flaming sword (Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (it rotated and orbited), to keep the way of (or to) the tree of life" (i.e., on Saturn, the third heaven).

Isa_37:16 says, "O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest (i.e., on Saturn) between the cherubims (i.e., between Jupiter and Uranus), thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."

Eze_10:20 This is the living (lively) creature (i.e., Saturn, that rotates and orbits) that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims."


Joh 14:2-4 says, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know."

He went to Saturn. We do know the way, we sent Cassini up there to photograph it.


Rev_3:10-12 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (i.e., the Great Tribulation and the Mark of the Beast), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God (i.e., the heavenly one), and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Rev_21:2 says, "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE:"Question for Marilyn Agee re: Pre-Tribulation Rapture(s)"
John 4:35: Don't you have a saying, 'It's still four months until harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.

I always found your concept of 2 raptures fascinating. The 2 raptures could both be pre-trib. For instance, the first trump sounds at Ascension Thursday, May 25, 2017 and 120 inclusive days later the second trump sounds on Rosh Hashanah, September 21, 2017. What do you think?

Keep Occupying & Keep Looking Up


Good to hear from you.

> > I always found your concept of 2 raptures fascinating. The 2 raptures could both be pre-trib.

They both can't be pre-trib. The Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God".

I used to think the first Rapture would be before the Tribulation, but I have changed my mind. I am convinced now that both Raptures are in the Tribulation, the first, the Day of Christ, Mid-Trib, the day Satan will be cast out of heaven, and the last, the Day of the Lord, on the Day of God's Wrath.


Php_1:10 says, "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ".

Php_2:16 says, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

At the first Rapture, all participants become incorruptible, but will not yet be immortal. That follows the Last-trump Rapture, when the whole Body of Christ will be in Heaven.
1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."


Isa_13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty."

Isa_13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Jer_46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Zep 2:2,3 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. 3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."

2Pe_3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

On the Day of God's Wrath, all (both rapture groups) will become immortal.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

The news is terrible. Seems like we are in the Tribulation now. "Obama & Holder suing the STATE OF ARIZONA, siding with Mexico, over resistance to immigration..." Surely, the Pope openly worshipping Lucifer shows that we are already in the Tribulation. Just reading the news makes my stomach hurt.

I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 25/26, 2014. The Hebrew Calendar says Sept. 25, but YourSky shows that the new crescent Moon will be under Virgo's feet on Sat. Sept. 27, 2014. Mat 24:20 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day".

Therefore, it won't be on Saturday, so maybe Friday, Sept. 26. The year 2014 sounds good since number 14 means a double measure of spiritual perfection.

The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 14 "Being a multiple of 7, 14 partakes of its importance and, being double that number, implies a double measure of spiritual perfection.

"The number 15 in the Bible pictures rest, which comes after deliverance, represented by fourteen.

"The number sixteen is symbolic of love and loving.

"In the Bible the number 17 symbolizes "overcoming the enemy" and "complete victory."
"The Hebrew name for God, YHWH, has a numerical value of 26."

It looks like we will go up Mid-Trib as Satan and his fallen angels are kicked out of Heaven.

Rev 12:1 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars".

Rev 12:5,6 says, "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

The Last-Trump Rapture takes place on the Day of God's Wrath. Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"...

Rev 7:14,15 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God".

Mat 24:13-22 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet (i.e., a statue, an idol), stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: [i.e., on the Temple Mount]) 16 Then (tote, at that time) let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Psa_47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet."

Psa_81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day."

Joe_2:15,16 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (chuppah)."

Surely the Rapture will be soon. 1967 + 48.33 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015.33

Mat 24:3 says, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"


Mat 24:32 - 34 says,"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (i.e., in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 1967 + 48.33 (Mt 1:17) = 2015.33. That will take us to the Feast of Trumpets in 2015. If that is the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath, the First-Trump Rapture could be on the Feast of the Trumpets in 2014, i.e., Sept. 25/26, 2014.

Psa 47:5-9 says, "God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. 6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises. 7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. 8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. 9 The princes (i.e., elders) of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham".

What holds me to these dates is that I think Jesus' Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat., April 9, 2016. That will be the first day of the Jubilee, which has to start after 5775, a Sabbatical Year, ends. > > For instance, the first trump sounds at Ascension Thursday, May 25, 2017 and 120 inclusive days later the second trump sounds on Rosh Hashanah, September 21, 2017. What do you think?

How can you justify Sept. 21, 2017? Where does that 120 days come from?

I just can't think that the First-Trump Rapture could be that far off, because 1967 (Six Day War) + 48.33 (one generation, Mt 1:17) = 2015.33, or the Feast of Trumpets in 2015. That would be Mon. Sept. 14, 2015. Maybe the two Raptures fall on Trumpets in 2014 and 2015.

I have my hopes on the First-Trump Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets in 2014. That would be Thu. Sept. 25, 2014, according to Hebrew Date Converter, or Sept 26, according to the torah calendar. However, the Moon under Virgo's feet will be on Sept 27. Agape

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