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Re: True Grace, Hi Marilyn. Grace and peace be multiplied to you.
I was reading the discussion or argument between Richard Coombes and Jane Bleth in the Pro and Con 180.  To my amazement, with all the clear and simple scriptures, many believers have still not understood the TRUE Grace that is in Christ Jesus.

In Titus 2:11&12 it says, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.

IN 2Peter3:11&12 it says "Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God.

IN Hebrews 12:14 it says "Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:9 " Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived.  Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:13 "For you, brethern, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another".

Philippians 2:12 " Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".

1 John 2:4 " He who says, I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Verse 6 "He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.  Chapter 3:3 " And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure".

Richard Coombes said this to Jane Bleth in pro and con 180.
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Whether or not we are living a spiritual or carnal lifestyle when He returns is not the criteria for our being taken up or left behind. NO believer will be left behind. No matter what spiritual maturity or immaturity level they are within at the moment of the rapture.
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I ask you for the Love of Christ and God, where in the bible are we taught anything like this.  Where does it say that living carnaly does not matter?  have you ever read Romans 8, not to mention 6&7?

If 5 of the 10 virgins did not make it as brides, should we live carnaly "according to our flesh" and hope to be raptured?

Have you (Richard) not read how Christ is going to present the church (His bride) to Himself? 

Ephesians 5:27 " that He might present her to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish".

When Jesus speaks to the seven churches in the book of Revelation; there is either the warning to repent or the promise to those who overcome.  Living under the grace of God does not give me the license to do what I feel like.

For a long time I never understood what Jesus meant in Matthew 7:23, " And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness".

May none of us ever hear those words!  the calling of God, is indeed serious.

My reply

Thanks. It is easy to see, but some seem to skip over what they don't want to see. No wonder the perfect Lord Jesus Christ said that the Laodiceans "KNOWEST NOT that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and BLIND, and naked" (Rev. 3:17).

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HAPPY NEW YEAR! (SJBLETH@webtv.net (Jane Bleth)
Thank you for responding to me yesterday. Your insight into the Scriptures has blessed and edified me.

Don't let some people like Mr. Coombs get you down (I don't think you will). He is very arrogant and has not the mature love of the Holy Spirit. Your teachings have made some dig deeper into scripture and rethink their positions and dogma. Rosh Hashanah has already began in Israel and goes until sundown Tues. ( two days, because no one knows the day or the hour of the new moon ) I am watching with you and look forward to meeting you in our heavenly home soon.!

May the LORD bless you and keep you. May the LORD make his face to shine upon you and give you peace. Shalom

My reply

You are so right. He can't get me down. I read the Bible for myself before I studied what others thought it meant, so I could not be led astray by man's ideas. I know what Scripture says. We can't latch on to one part without considering all its parts.

Eph. 2:8-10 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM." We have to consider what is "NOT OF WORKS" and what is "UNTO GOOD WORKS."

James 2:17-20 is also Scripture and must be taken into consideration. It says, "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only....For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

Salvation is a free gift that can not be worked for. At that point, all our "OLD SINS" (II Peter 1:9) are purged. We are at that moment as a pure virgin filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. We get a fresh start. That does not mean that there is nothing left to lose if we live like the world.

After salvation, there is still something to be won. In I Cor. 9:24-27, Paul said, "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth THE PRIZE. So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible (awarded to the Philadelphians, Rev. 3:11; they have no condemnation listed against them). I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY."

In Phil. 3:8-14, Paul said, "I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; IF by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. NOT AS THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, EITHER WERE ALREADY PERFECT: but I follow AFTER, IF that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren (Christians), I COUNT NOT MYSELF TO HAVE APPREHENDED: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I PRESS TOWARD THE MARK FOR THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS" (the Rapture, when Jesus says, "Come up hither," Rev. 4:1).

In Phil 2:11-16, Paul said, "every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved (Christian brethren), as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom YE SHINE AS LIGHTS in the world: Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in THE DAY OF CHRIST (the Rapture, Lu. 17:26), that I have not run (the race for the prize of the Rapture) in vain, neither laboured in vain." Shalom and love, Happy New Year

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Thank you for your detailed analysis of my Bible Study even though it seems that you have written the exact same word for word standard response of other pre-trib authors.

First of all, I would like to point out the inspired Words of God in I Timothy 2:11,12: "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a WOMAN TO TEACH or have authority OVER A MAN; she must be silent." Do you believe that these are the inspired Words of God and therefore should be obeyed by all NT saints?? As you know my name is Richard which is a man's name. If you have a friend who is a man who agrees with all your points please have him send his analysis of my Bible Study and I would be happy to respond to his analysis using only the Powerful and Living Word of God.

However, you did mention that I should read and believe a book by Charles H. Dyer titled "Rise of Babylon" from which you gleaned the information that Saddam Hussein had started to rebuild the city of Babylon.which was completely destroyed by God about 275BC. Before quoting this ridiculous lie by Charles Dyer you could have easily checked out this false information. I fyou had you would have found out that the complete ruins of Babylon are now a paid tourist attraction. There are just a few buildings near the complete ruins of Babylon which are only tourist facilities. I decided to check the latest Iraqi Tour Guide to see if any recent changes had taken place. You can check out this quote on the bottom paragraph of a 1/2 page report at http://www.aalamalriadah.com/iraq/tour/iq_babylon.html: "Today, Babylon lies completely in ruins. A large and splendidly carved stone lion is all that remains of its former glories."

And then in Jeremiah 50:2,3,13 we read: "Babylon will be captured...A nation from the north will attack her and lay waste her land. No one will ever live in it... Because of the Lord's anger she (Babylon) WILL NOT BE INHABITED BUT WILL BE COMPLETELY DESOLATE. All who pass Babylon will be horrified and scoff because of all her wounds!" This would include all of the tourists who have viewed the ruins of Babylon in the last 2273 years until TODAY or who will view the ruins of Babylon until the Last Day of the planet Earth; for God always keeps His promises.

I am sending you a Bible Study that we may agree upon not related to prophecy.

May our wonderful Friend Jesus be always at your side as you read God's Word daily (Acts 17:11) and then do what it says. (James 1:22)
Your eternal friend in Jesus, ---- Only Jesus gives *Endless Love*

My reply

> First of all, I would like to point out the inspired Words of God in I
> Timothy 2:11,12: "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I
> do not permit a WOMAN TO TEACH or have authority OVER A MAN; she must be
> silent." Do you believe that these are the inspired Words of God and
> therefore should be obeyed by all NT saints??

Of course these are the inspired Words of god. Paul said, "I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not" (I Tim. 2:7). However, Jer. 51:17 also says, "Every man is brutish by his knowledge."

The passage in I Timothy is why I have refused to teach in Church services, though I have taught Sunday School. Other than this, you will have to take it up with God. He put a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said to publish and conceal not. I am publishing and concealing not. I study and write in silence, doing to the best of my abilities what I think God wants me to do. I have to answer to him and so do you. You are putting me down for obeying the Lord.

> Because of the Lord's anger she (Babylon) WILL NOT BE INHABITED BUT WILL BE
> COMPLETELY DESOLATE. All who pass Babylon will be horrified and scoff because
> of all her wounds!" This would include all of the tourists who have viewed
> the ruins of Babylon in the last 2273 years until TODAY

Since you do not want to hear my words, I will only give you Scripture. Read them and see for yourself if these things have happened yet, or if Babylon still has another destruction in the wings, or if Bozrah and Idumea still have another destruction coming too.

Jer. 50:13,15,46; 51:2,11,26,42,43,49,62: "Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be WHOLLY desolate...for it is the vengeance of the LORD...At the noise of the taking of Babylon THE EARTH IS MOVED...the LORD...HIS DEVICE is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple....in the DAY OF TROUBLE they shall be against her...And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations...The SEA is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof...wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth ANY SON OF MAN PASS THEREBY....so at Babylon shall fall the slain of ALL THE EARTH....NONE shall remainin it, neither man nor beast."

Rev. 18:19-21: "IN ONE HOUR IS SHE MADE DESOLATE. Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a STONE like a great millstone, and cast it into the SEA, saying, Thus with VIOLENCE shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and SHALL BE FOUND NO MORE AT ALL."

Isa. 34:1,2,5,6,8-10: "COME near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein: the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon ALL NATIONS, and his fury upon ALL THEIR ARMIES...my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, AND upon the people of my CURSE, to judgment. The sword of the LORD is filled with blood...for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea...For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. IT SHALL NOT BE QUENCHED night nor day; THE SMOKE THEREOF SHALL GO UP FOREVER: from generation to generation it shall lie waste: NONE SHALL PASS THROUGH IT FOR EVER AND EVER."
In His love

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Hi Dear Sister in Christ, I haven't written you since the days of Pentecost, but I do periodically check back to see what is going on at your web site. I read your Pro Con 180 and had to send this. I have been under attack all summer even to the point of feeling the intense presence of let's say "not good stuff."

However, why I am writing is to tell you about the sudden appearance about three days ago of a beautiful white ring-necked turtledove in a tree outside my house. I noticed it didn't fly away when I would put bird food out, and today I noticed the reason: this beautiful juvenile turtledove is blind. I can approach her and she stays put. It is amazing to watch her move her head as if she is listening to me. I tell her I love her and that Jesus does as well, and she just cocks her head as if she wants me to explain. Blah! blah! blah! Sorry I went on about this, but here's the kicker there are never turtledoves in this area. I retired from the military two years ago and I moved here, Fairfax, Virginia. I feed the birds everyday and know all the local critters. She's the first turtledove. Well, just a story for you. May Christ, our Savior, be with you and all of your loved ones throughout all eternity. Love & Light

My reply

I love the doves' cooing here. Sighted ones even seem pretty tame. The very first one I saw here stayed on the peak of the roof overlooking the patio cooing while I walked the patio searching for her. Very good symbol of the Holy Spirit. It reminds us that, for sure, the Lord is with us. We are being watched and listened to.

Even if we have to wait till next Pentecost, or whenever, for the Rapture, the Lord is with us. He will see us through. We just have to trust and obey and be patient. He will take care of what we are helpless to take care of, just like he is taking care of the blind turtledove.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively (living) HOPE by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and UNDEFILED, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the TRIAL OF YOUR FAITH, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory AT THE APPEARING of Jesus Christ" (I Pet. 1:3-7).

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Hi! (from Finland)
So, the season of Noah is over and gone!
We must pray for clear understanding and wisdom. Maybe we will be allowed to know in advance - when the right time is.

Probably the true time is there in the scripture, maybe in the codes and also the stars tell the story. I have been reading Bullinger´s book together with David H. Levy´s book. The Bullinger book is too wonderful, and contains too much ´insight´ for a man to fiqure out just by himself. Just to show that it is not a ´man made concept´ that the stars essentially tell the same story that the Bible tells, I tell one example. This came quite suddenly to me today as I was listening an audio sample of KJV Bible, Job 38:31-32. In those verses God confirms that He uses (He gave names to stars - Adam gave names to created animals) similar ´zodiacs` as described in this book. If you listen to the various names of the stars - and all names seem to come from hebrew original names - and what their story is - there can be little doubt that humanity as a whole have overlooked (and have been led astray) the message of the stars.

Yes - if we compare what is said in the above mentioned verses - and the following reference from Bulliger´s book. we see that they are both in the same wavelenght.

In second book, Chapter III Bullinger says about The Sign Pisces (The Fishes):
"The Sign is pictured as two large fishes bound together by a Band..."
"The Hebrew name is Dagim, the Fishes..."
"The band that unite these two fishes has always formed a separate constellation." ... " Its ancient Egyptian name was U-or, which means He Cometh."

From David H. Levys book we see a drawing of the fishes bound together by a band. Also he adds that ( free translation ) " The tripple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, in the sign of Fishes, within a year, starting in August 7 BC, is a candidate for the Star of Bethlehem."

I would like to add an other thing. This year - at Pentecost it was very, very near + venus was very near- Saturn is in the sign Band and particularly near a star named Torcularis Septentrionalis - a pity Bullinger does not mention it´s Hebrew name. But if the name "He cometh" applies to this sign - Jesus did come then - and the wise men did understand the meaning of the stars...

Maybe the fact that Saturn is now in this sign tells us a message? (Saturn moves to Aries at the end of March -99)

There is certainly something to study! And knowledge shall increase.

My reply

The corruption of the zodiac by Astrology is certain to be Satan's attempt to confuse us so that we won't recognize the story that is really there in our sky.

That is news that Saturn moves to Aries, the Ram, at the end of March -99. My chart shows it on the near border of Aries in June 98 and on the far border on Sept. 99. So you suppose the former is taking into consideration the whole territory alloted to Aries? The Ram represents Christ, the Lamb of God. In one drawing of the Zodiac I have (included with "The Zodiac Conspiracy," by F. Chris Patrick), the left foot of the Ram is through the loop of the band holding the two fish together. Likewise, Christ holds the whole Body of Christ together, even though we are gathered up to Heaven in two groups, first one then the other.

On pages 71 and 72, Chris gives some of the ARIES star names and their meanings. The brightest is EL NATIK (Arabic), THE WOUNDED OR SLAIN. The second brightest is AL SHERATAN, THE BRUISED. Torcularis Septentrionalis is not mentioned.

The first decan of Aries is Cassiopeia, seen in some depictions as a woman seated on her throne brushing her hair and making herself ready for presentation. She suggests the Bride of Christ. Chris says, "The ancient name for this sign in Hebrew is THE ENTHRONED, THE BEAUTIFUL. The Chaldean and Arabic names are the same, DAT AL CURSA, meaning SET UP (AS QUEEN). STAR NAMES OF CASSIOPEIA The brightest star in this sign is named in Hebrew SHEDAR, THE FREED and is in contrast to ANDROMEDA, whose name means THE CHAINED in Hebrew. Another star with a Hebrew name is located in the back of the throne is CAPH, meaning THE BRANCH. The throne belongs to THE BRANCH and this queen has been set upon it. From an astronomical point of view, this sign looks like a "w" and it never sets on the horizon (indicating this throne is forever).

"CETUS (THE SEA MONSTER) The second decan of Aries is CETUS, and is represented as a fierce looking sea monster and is another pictorial representative of our enemy Satan....The band of Pisces is attached to his back and the lamb (Aries) has his leg on this band (bridle). The lamb keeps him from doing all that he would like to do to the fishes (Pisces). What does this monster do to the fishes or fish people? Satan is known as the tempter in the Bible and it is he who brings trials and persecutions to God's people. He would love to devour us but he can not. The lamb only allows him to do so much and the Christian has been strengthened against the enemy."

On page 423, in "Signs in the Heavens," by Avi Ben Mordechai, he says, "Saturn in Aries: Figure 2 represents September 11, 1999, Rosh Hahanah. In the constellation Aries (redemption) note the planet Saturn, (Shabbati, to cease or to rest). I think the bond between Saturn and Aries is extremely significant. Again, I consulted our computer astronomy database for Saturn in Aries over Y'rushalayim on the Feast of Trumpets near the Jewish year 6000, give or take 20 years. I looked between 1980 and 2020, and it only occurs once: 1999."

Saturn (Heb.,Shabbati), our resting place and the seventh stone in the original planetary lineup, will be in Aries next Pentecost also. "Shabbati" ties in nicely with "Shabbath," the seventh day of the week.

Concerning Pisces (the fishes), it is the seventh major zodiacal sign. On pages 63 and 64, Chris Patrick says it "is shown as two fish tied together by another sign named the Band. This band is tied around the tail of the fishes while the middle is attached to CETUS, the sea monster. . One fish is traveling along the path of the sun and the other is swimming up toward the pole star. We also see AIRES, the ram (or lamb), with his foreleg placed in the band also....The smaller of the two fishes is swimming toward the north star and is touching ANDROMEDA, (which represents the people of God being persecuted). This tells me that the persecutions of ANDROMEDA will happen to some of the people (fish). The larger fish is swimming toward the urn and water of Aquarius, with barely enough cord (of the band) to reach the water....The ancient name for this sign in Hebrew is DAGIM, THE FISHES (like a multitude) and shows that it represents a multitude of people. The name of Pisces in Denderah is PISCIS HORI, THE FISHES OF HIM WHO COMES.

"STAR NAMES OF PISCES There are 2 stars named from ancient times. The first is named in Hebrew OKDA, and means THE UNITED. The second is named in Arabic AL SAMACA, THE UPHELD. This shows that the body of Christ, or the Christians, are united in Him and are upheld by Him (symbolized by Aires' foot on the band).

"THE BAND (OR BRIDLE) The first decan of Pisces is THE BAND...The ancient name for this sign in Arabic is AL RISHA, THE BAND OR BRIDLE."

It is interesting that the SMALLER fish is swimming UP while the LARGER fish is swimming to get more water. It sounds like the parable of the ten virgins. The wise have enough Holy Spirit and go up with the Bridegroom when he comes. The foolish have to first go get more Holy Spirit, who is symbolized by "oil" and "living water." The second group is "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations" (Rev. 7:9).

Hope this is helpful.

Avi thinks the Rapture will be Sept. 11, 1999, which according to his chronology, ends 6,000 years since creation and begins 6001. Strange, but Sept. 11 is my dad's birthday. I hope we don't have to wait that long, but I will wait patiently no matter how long it takes. Rom. 8:25 comes to mind: "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

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It's now Sept 21 in Israel and I assume everybody else is still here also.

Just some thoughts. God deals with Israel, Jesus deals with the church. The home of the modern day jew is Israel, the home of the modern day church is America. Israel is on jewish time, America is on Grennwich Means time. It is Sept 21 in Israel, it is still Sept 20 in America until midnight. 1947, the 'season of birthpangs' was on jewish time and year in Israel, 1998, 'the season of Noah', may be on America's time and year.

1998 ended in Israel an hour ago. 1998 ends in America in three months. The Song of Solomon (rapture) begins in the spring when the Voice is first heard. It ends in late summer with the bride in a 'tarry'. Since we are in a 'tarry' of undetermined length, the rapture could happen on a day outside of the pentecost 'season'.

America and the church may be judged on American time rather than Jewish time. What do you think? Much agape

My reply

The Bible is so consistent, I think we have to figure by Jewish time and consider Jerusalem the center of the Earth. North means north of Jerusalem, etc.

I'm just thinking here as I write. I still think Song of Solomon 2:11, "the winter is past, the rain is over and gone," suggests Pentecost more than any other feast. The latter rain of Nisan would then be over and gone. Summer is dry in Israel.

What suggested 1998 over 1999 to me was that the Jewish 5758 means the season of Noah, 58 spells Noah, and I think it is the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden and man began to be tested as mortal and knowing both good and evil. It is also the Jubilee Year for Israel. Figuring by both Jewish years and Gregorian years is tricky since they begin at different times. It is easy to make a mistake of one year, but the meaning of 58 is Noah. That does not change, and the 50th year from 1948 does not change, either.

The other thing that made it seem that 5758 was the year is Lu. 13:6-9. Jesus "spake also this parable: A certain man (Christ) had a fig tree (Israel) planted in his vineyard; and he came (at the Rapture?) and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these THREE YEARS I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down (with the Tribulation?); why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone THIS YEAR ALSO, till I shall DIG ABOUT IT, AND DUNG IT: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down."

I thought that since 2300 days counted back, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from Tishri 1, 5768 landed on the Feast of Weeks in 5761 (2001) that these four years were 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761 (roughly 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001), Pentecost to Pentecost/Feast of Weeks. Now, we have dropped 5758 from this count. Is it possible that the extra year is the first year of the Tribulation? It does start out relatively peaceful. The 7-year peace covenant of Dan. 9:27 is confirmed as it begins.

Rev. 6:2 begins the Tribulation with the opening of the first seal: "and behold a white horse: and he (The Beast) that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering (nikao), and to conquer." Nikao ties him in with the "Nicolaitanes (from nikao and laos, to conquer the people, or laity), which thing I hate" of Rev. 2:15. It sounds to me like he is the Tribulation Pope elected as head of the world government. Rev. 13:7,8 says, "power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS (the priesthood over the laity). And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb."

His conquering is not yet with open warfare until the second seal is broken "and power was given to him (The Beast) that sat thereon (now on the red horse) to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword" (Rev. 6:4). Could the seals stand for years, and this first year of the Tribulation be the fourth year of the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree?

Let's see how the seals would fit years in the Seventieth Week of Daniel.

First year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5761, our May 28, 2001 to May 16, 2002). The Beast comes to power as head over the world government.

Second year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5762, our May 17, 2002 to June 5, 2003). He goes to war to subdue those that won't join.

Third year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5763, our June 6, 2003 to May 25, 2004). The famine hits. That fits for Elijah and Moses "have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy" (1260 days, or 3 1/2 years), Rev. 11:2,6.

Fourth year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5764, our May 26, 2004 to June 12, 2005). The False Prophet comes to power. That fits for he comes at the end of 3 1/2 years.

Fifth year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5765, our June 13, 2005 to June 1, 2006). There are martyrs. That fits for the False Prophet will go to "war with the remnant of her (Israel's) seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:17) after he kills Moses and Elijah at the end of the 3 1/2 years.

Sixth year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5766, our June 2, 2006 to Feast of Weeks, Sivan 5, 5767, our May 22, 2007). ***Here we seem to have a DELAY from the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost to the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets, Erev Rosh HaShanah, Elul 29.*** If so, this could be significant. See what you think.

I think the sixth seal has to be the day before the Day of God's Wrath. There "was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And...every...man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come (then it is now 6:00 PM, Tishri 1, 5768); and who SHALL be able to stand" (Rev. 6:12-17). Small rocks are already falling. The air is filled with smoke. Men know what is coming now. Their hearts are failing them for fear. The terror of terrors is on its way in, and they fail to stop it.

Seventh year (Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5767, our May 23, 2007 to Sivan 5, 5768, our June 8, 2008). The 2300th day of Dan. 8:14 is Tishri 1, 5768, our Sept. 13, 2007. I think this is the end of the shortened Tribulation and the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. I think it is the Day of God's Wrath, when the seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth after the seventh seal is broken. The two large pieces of the asteroid impact Earth that day at noon (Rev. 8:8,10; Zeph. 2:4,5).

This is the first time I did this in this much detail. I am surprised to find the delay seems to be from Pentecost to Erev HaShanah, matching the period we have just come through. A delay between the 6th and 7th trumpets is shown in Rev. 10:6: "there should be time (lit., delay) no longer." No wonder there is a parenthetic portion between the 6th and 7th seals, the 6th and 7th trumpets, and the 6th and 7th vials.

In Rev. 7:1,2, we can see that there is a delay: "AND after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners (quarters) of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." In verse 14, they are all seen in Heaven.

Then in Rev. 8, the seven trumpet judgments are loosed on earth when the seventh seal is finally broken. As it is broken, there is silence in Heaven and Earth for about half an hour. The Judge is seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Then "the angel took the censer (a globe shaped object), and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake" (Rev. 8:5,6). This symbolized the asteroid that was going to impact earth.

If a delay is built in before the Pre-Wrath Rapture, it seems more probable that a delay is built in before the Pre-Trib Rapture too. Before the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the angels restrain the winds. Before the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Holy Spirit restrains the appearance of the evil one (II Thess. 2:6,7). That could be because the evil one thinks it is now time to present himself, but He who hindereth will hinder until he be taken out of the way. Now, will it be of approximately the same length both times? or is the fourth year of the parable of the barren fig tree the first year of the Tribulation? Food for thought. The Rapture is drawing nigh either way.

Amos. 2:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD; For three transgression of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof." That could tie in with the three years, and then four, in the parable of the barren fig tree.

Does Ex. 19:10,11 fit in somewhere? It says, "let them WASH THEIR CLOTHES, AND BE READY against the THIRD DAY: for the third day the LORD will come down."

Also, Joshua 1:11 says, "within THREE DAYS ye shall pass over this Jordan, to go in to possess the land"

John 2:19,21 says, "Destroy this temple, and in THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP...HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY." We are the temple of the Holy Spirit and the Body of Christ.

I downloaded this from the Internet. Jewish sages say that:
> As to the trumps the Feasts are called by the names
> Pentecost= First trump
> RoshHaShanah=LAst trump
> Atonement= Great trump

This fits the First Rapture on Pentecost, the second on the Feast of Trumpets and God's acceptance of the remnant of Israel on the following Day of Atonement, doesn't it?

"The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins" (1 Peter 4:7-8). In His love

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