Pro and Con 1830
A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Mathman (14 Dec 2014)
"Two Tribulations, One Rapture in between"
In reading Scripture lately, I now truly believe that the Rapture will not occur until after the Tribulation.
I can already hear a lot of you saying, "Whoa, MathMan, hold on there. Are you saying that you are no long in agreement with a Pre-Tribulation Rapture?"
The answer is - No, I still 100% completely agree with a Pre-Tribulation Rapture!!!
Hmm, now how is this even possible? You can't believe in both can you?
Yes, Scripture allows me to believe in BOTH!! Quite simply, Scripture outlines that there are actually going to be two separate Tribulations. The first being the "Great Tribulation" just for Israel and the second being "Great Tribulation" for the World.
Here is how I believe it will transpire, wherein I still feel this fits nicely into the timeline I outlined in my May 11, 2014 article:
Starting soon - VERY soon - we are going to see "Great Tribulation" breaking out in Israel. When it does, many in the Church, and especially us watchers, will be left scratching their heads and saying, "What is going on here! I thought we would be Raptured before things got serious in Israel!!".
Not true. This "surprise order" is actually confirmed in Matthew 24:29-31, a Rapture verse hidden in plain sight:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one e
nd of heaven to the other.
In verse 29, Jesus is addressing Israel and their future tribulation, the time of Jacob's Trouble, the Great Tribulation of Israel, NOT the Great Tribulation of the World. In other parts of Scripture, the Lord outlines why the Rapture must now occur. Quite simply, Jesus knows that Israel would be soon destroyed if He didn't do something…and soon. So what exactly does He decide to do? This is outlined two verses later!
In verse 31, He refocuses the World's attention OFF of Israel by providing Tribulation to those pursuing God's people - which is now the entire World, meaning the WHOLE World now goes into Tribulation. Jesus does this via the Rapture - this is the starting pistol of the Great Tribulation of the World.
Some argue that this is a verse about the Second Coming, not the Rapture, but, mathematically, it simply can't be. In the Second Coming, Jesus slaughters His enemies by returning to Earth and using the Truth of His Great Light as His weapon. This, in no way, matches the description of "gathering together His elect with His angels with a great sound of a trumpet" here in verse 31. This could only be one thing - THE RAPTURE!!
By the way, I am not the only one who feels this way. I suggest you review Bruce Warner's posts. Bruce Warner has been posting some excellent material and is making an excellent Scriptural argument for two separate Tribulations, wherein the Rapture is preceded by Great Tribulation in Israel.
So what does this all mean to us watchers? First the Bad News:
- We are still going to be here for a while before the Rapture occurs. My best guess is until June 7, 2017, whereas Bruce believes either Palm Sunday in 2015 or 2016 (I hope Bruce is right - the sooner the better)
- We are going to see some horrible things happening to our Sister, Israel. Pray for her without ceasing and you will be blessed. The time of Jacob's Trouble in Israel will be terribly brutal and will cause many of us watchers to scratch our heads and wonder if we were wrong about the Rapture. WE ARE NOT!! It is not delayed, the Lord does NOT tarry - it will occur on the appointed time AFTER the appointed events
And now the Good News:
- The Great Tribulation of the World will not start until AFTER the Rapture. The Rapture will actually buy Israel some time as the World "regroups". Nonetheless, Scripture is clear that the "man of sin", the Anti-Christ, will conquer Israel and make a mockery of the Jews soon after the Rapture
- While things will get ugly, the best of news is that we will be Raptured before it gets truly bad. On a Tribulation Scale of 1 to 10, we are about a 2 right now and will gradually move to a 3 prior to the Rapture (Israel is about a 2, but we will see it move to an 8). Why only a 3 for us? Because after the Rapture, Satan and his horde will be unleashed and unrestrained. This will instantly put the World to a 10 on the Tribulation Scale. It will be the worst of times for the World, wherein those who truly love Jesus will be gone, gone, gone before it does
In the dreams from SparrowCloud9, the Lord CONTINUOUSLY reminds us to watch Israel. He says this to Erin over and over again. Why? Because we are going to see things happen in Israel that will make our hearts sicken. My speculation is that the Islamic State has been allowed to rise for just this purpose. Here is an excerpt from her dream posted on December 7th, 2014 indicating that events must still occur before the Rapture:
Jesus: Okay, let's look at a scripture you have been meditating on. Do you recall which one?
Erin: Yes, Lord. Acts 2:19-20.
Jesus: You have felt my prompting to break this down. What are you finding?
Erin: Well, 2 blood moons have come, 2 are left and there are things which must occur before You come.
Jesus: Good, please explain.
Erin: Well after I broke this scripture down, this is what I found:
Acts 2:19-20: "I will show wonders in the Heaven above and signs in the earth below, BLOOD and FIRE and BILLOWS OF SMOKE. (Next) The Sun will be turned to darkness AND the Moon to BLOOD. Before the coming of the Great and Glorious Day of the Lord."
Jesus: Very good - this is written. Now, tell Me what you found or that which you speculate.
Erin: Well, Lord, we are to read Scripture, not in part, but in full. We are also to read the order in simple terms so here is my best guess.
1) We will see wonders in heaven above - like stars, comets, storms, or things in the Heaven we see.
2) Next, we will see signs on Earth below in this order: Blood - 1st, Fire 2nd, and billows of smoke 3rd. Then the sun will be turned to darkness - in March 2015 possibly? Then the Moon to blood either the 3rd moon or 4th blood Moon, before the coming of the Lord.
Jesus: Very good Erin. You have seen this right in Scripture.
Erin: The mid-point of all these events is January 2015, and then the total eclipse of the Sun is in March 2015. Something involving BLOOD, FIRE & BILLOWS OF SMOKE might happen to the US or Israel, or both. Lord there is very little time. First there will be blood, then fire, then smoke. This is scary.
Jesus: Yes, but it has been there for some time. You are just realizing the time your race is in.
Jesus then continues in this dream (matching His instructions in previous dreams) to remind us that we, His children, are not to worry or stress, but remain joyful in our faith AND to continue to pray for Israel. He will protect us and give us what we need. In terms of the stress in Israel, this is all designed for His Divine Purpose.
In conclusion, if we are to remain here on Earth for a while longer than we thought, please do not stress. We are still in the VERY last of days - the time is extremely short. However, these days may just not play out in the exact way we have been previously taught. Even so, do not stop watching and do not give up hope, no matter what. All must be fulfilled as written and THEN shall it be the "coming of the Great and Glorious Day of the Lord." - OUR LONG AWAITED RAPTURE. Jesus promised us this and I believe Him...so should you!
Brothers and sisters, are you ready to meet the Lord in the sky? Repent and believe that grace is by faith alone and can ONLY be attained through Jesus Christ. Get ready and leave the temptations of this world behind and ready yourself as a Bride.
Surely, time is almost up. YbiC
> > Scripture outlines that there are actually going to be two separate Tribulations. The first being the "Great Tribulation" just for Israel and the second being "Great Tribulation" for the World.
I think there are 3.5 years of Tribulation, then the First-Trump Rapture, maybe on the anniversary of the Crucifixion, Thursday, Nisan 13, April 2, 2015, at the same time Satan and the fallen angels are cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib.
After that, the Great Tribulation that is to be shortened will take place. It will end with the Last-Trump Rapture on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.
> > We are still going to be here for a while before the Rapture occurs. My best guess is until June 7, 2017, whereas Bruce believes either Palm Sunday in 2015 or 2016 (I hope Bruce is right - the sooner the better
June 7, 2017 is not comforting, and I don't believe the Rapture will be on Palm Sunday. Bruce picked out some scriptures without taking the context into account. I studied his email on that carefully.
1967 (Six-Day War) + 48.3 (a generation, Mt. 1:17) = 2015.3. I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on Thursday, Nisan 13, our April 2, 2015. That will be the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, our April 6, 30 AD.
I have two personal tie-ins. Our son David was born on April 6, and my husband Ed came to see me in his celestial body on April 2, 2012, after going to Heaven during Hanukkah, on Dec. 27, 2011.
I take it that we will be together next April 2. I asked him if we could be together forever, and he said, "Yes." That takes out some of the sting of us having to be separated now. He had gotten together with both his family and mine, so they are all there waiting for me.
My youngest brother barely made it. In spite of all three of us kids being baptized in the Methodist Church when he was young, he was stubborn, and kept saying, "How can I believe in something I can't see?" Well, he believed in electricity, and he couldn't see it under normal conditions. He finally accepted Christ a month before he died. He called Dad, who cried. That was too close for comfort. Now, his whole family will be there when the Rapture takes place.
We can know electricity and gravity exist by what they do. We know that God exists by what he does. David just had a prayer answered that seemed impossible. Unlikely as it seemed, it was answered, to the penny.
When he was born, we were going to name the baby Brian. It was the only name we considered. We hadn't even picked out a girl's name. Yet, when I looked at the the huge baby that was born (the Doctor said, "I expected twins," the nurses called him my football player), I couldn't name him Brian. He just didn't look like a Brian. I expected him to be a helpless baby like Carol, our first-born, and he was already too big for newborn size clothing. Right away, he flipped himself over on his back when on his hands and knees. David came into my mind. I looked up and asked Ed, "How about David?" He said, "OK" and told everyone at work we named him David, so I filled out the paperwork, and we named him David.
> > In conclusion, if we are to remain here on Earth for a while longer than we thought, please do not stress. We are still in the VERY last of days - the time is extremely short. However, these days may just not play out in the exact way we have been previously taught. Even so, do not stop watching and do not give up hope, no matter what. All must be fulfilled as written and THEN shall it be the "coming of the Great and Glorious Day of the Lord." - OUR LONG AWAITED RAPTURE. Jesus promised us this and I believe Him…so should you!
To me, the coming of the Day of the Lord is the coming of the Day of God's Wrath. It isn't the day of the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18. Those are believers who are wearing white robes. It is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54.
Joh_13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me."
Joh_13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all."
1Co 6:9-11 says, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood".
These that come out of the Great Tribulation find out what they have to do when they are left behind at the First-Trump Rapture.
I think the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18 will take place Mid-Trib, when Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of Heaven.
Those that have washed their robes in the blood of Christ during the Great Tribulation will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.
That is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54. Those believers have to wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb to make them white. However, all of the first Rapture will also be there. This is because we must be made immortal, and all raptured believers will be made immortal at the same time.
Rev 7:14-17 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."
These have to learn the hard way, but they do learn.
1Jn 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Agape
MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL
Thanks for sending this to me so I can understand why you think the Rapture will take place during Hanukkah 2014.
> > "RAPTURE 2014; 2ND COMING 2015", By Phil Rogers!! Last Updated On: 12/21/13
> > Subject: God's Timeline - Rapture 2013- 2nd Coming 2014
> > http://godstimeline.net/rapture_2014-_2nd_coming_2015.html
> > (Phil) "EVERYTHING, MOVES OVER BY ONE YEAR...RAPTURE AT TIME OF HANUKKAH OF 2014 AND 2ND COMING IN LATE SUMMER OF 2015!! SO PLEASE ADJUST TIME AND DATES ACCORDINGLY!"
> > (John 7) "37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
> > NO LONGER IN OR ABOUT THE MIDST...BUT AT THE LAST GREAT DAY...THE 7th DAY OF THE FEAST!!! NO RECORD AT ALL OF ANY DAY BETWEEN HIS COMING AS IT WERE IN SECRET...AND HIS COMING OPENLY OFFERING SALVATION IN HIMSELF!! SO, EASY IMPLICATION IS THAT THE RAPTURE ( as it were in secret) IS THE DAY/ YEAR BEFORE HIS 2ND COMING!! AGAIN...JUST MOVE THAT OVER ON YOUR CHARTS AND ARTICLES TO THE DAY / YEAR BEFORE CHRIST 2ND COMING IN 2014!!
> > AND THAT THE GREAT TRIBULATION WOULD THEN BE ONLY 1 YEAR / DAY, INSTEAD OF 3 &1/2 or two years!!
> > YEAH...IF YOU HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND ( anytime now up to Rosh of 2013) Feel good that you would only have to endure 1 year before the Lords Coming just before Rosh of 2014!! NOW TO WHAT TIES INTO THIS!!...
> > The last year of the TIME OF JACOBS TROUBLE!!
I think the Time of Jacob's trouble is one day, the Day of God's Wrath. Jer_30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."
> > Isa. 63: 3I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
> > (AGAIN, THE YEAR OF THE REDEEMED IS THAT OF THE DAY OF VENGEANCE...NOT 3 & 1/2 YEARS OR 2 YEARS!!)
I agree with this. To me, the day of vengeance will come on the first day of "the year of my redeemed". It will be the first day of Christ's Millennial Kingdom, the day Jesus will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
When Jesus is being seated as judge, there will be silence in both heaven and earth.
Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."
Hab_2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."
THESE DATES SEEM MOST LIKELY TO ME
1. The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18 Mid-Trib, on Thursday, Nisan 13, April 2, 2015
(anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD, Julian)
(anniversary of the date my husband came to see me in his celestial body on April 2, 2012)
2. The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, the Feast of Trumpets, Day of the Lord, Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776, September 14, 2015
3. The 2nd Advent on the first day of the Jubilee, Regnal and Sacred Year, Saturday, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016 (anniversary of the Resurrection on Nisan 16, April 9, 30 AD)
Can the beginning of the Jubilee Year be changed? I don't see how. It is locked in place by the preceding Sabbatical Year 5775 that divides by 7 equally. We are now in 5775. As I see it, the Jubilee will start Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD.
"1st of Nisan, 5776 = Sat, 9 April 2016"
Torah Calendar: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y30M1
Nisan 1, 5776 = Sat, 9 April 2016
Torah Calendar: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y30M1
Nisan 13, 3790, Thursday, 6 April, 30 AD, Preparation for the Passover, original Fast of Esther
Nisan 14, Passover, Friday, 7 April, 30 AD
Nisan 15, Unleavened Bread, Saturday, 8 April, 30 AD
Nisan 16, Firstfruits, Sunday, 9 April, 30 AD, Resurrection of Jesus
The Jubilee is announced on the preceding Day of Atonement, but it starts on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Jubilee, Regnal and Sacred years.
Lev_25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
Lev_25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family."
The Jubilee Cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is both the Jubilee Year and the first year of the new cycle. Otherwise, the Sabbatical Years would not stay aligned with the Jubilee Years.
The Jubilee Year follows a Sabbatical Year, and Sabbatical Years are divisible by 7 with no remainder. The year 5775 is a Sabbatical Year, so 5776 can be the Jubilee Year in which the Second Advent takes place.
The Jubilee Year starts on Nisan 1, the first day of the Sacred Year, Regnal Year and Jubilee Year, but it is announced on the previous Day of Atonement. That is to give people enough time to make arrangements for the Jubilee Year.
Nisan 1, 5776 will be April 9, 2016, the anniversary of Christ's resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. It looks like that will be the day of the Second Advent.
There are 7 months (Eze 39:12,13) between the Feast of Trumpets (Day of God's Wrath, Day of the Lord, Sept. 14, 5776) and the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, because 5776 is a Leap Year with a 13th month.
Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD."
1st of Tishri, 5776 = Mon, 14 September 2015 (probably Day of God's Wrath)
1st of Nisan, 5776 = Sat, 9 April 2016 (probably the day of Second Advent)
God plans carefully. There will be a Total Solar Eclipse on March 20, 2015, Nisan 1, 5775, and a Total Lunar Eclipse on April 4, 2015. These may mark the First-Trump Rapture on April 2, 2015 (Nisan 13, 5775).
There will be a Partial Solar Eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 5775, and the last Total Lunar Eclipse of the Tetrad on September 28, 2015. These may mark the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath.
Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (the 144,000 Israelites and a great multitude too great to number, Rev. 7:9-14).
Does all of this make sense to you? I hope I have included enough detail so you can see why I think the way I do. If not, let me know. Agape
MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES (OMITTED BECAUSE OF LENGTH)
Thanks for your information on the trumpets. I can add a bit to that.
ONE TRUMPET WILL BE BLOWN AT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I THESS. 4:13-18
When one trumpet is blown, the saints wearing white robes will be caught up in the Mid-Trib First-Trump Rapture. Then the elders will be seen sitting on 24 thrones.
1Th 4:13-18 says, “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
Rev. 4:1-4 says, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of A TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., Jesus/God) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last): and there was a rainbow round about the throne (i.e., on Saturn, see Eze. 1:1,26-28), in sight like unto an emerald (i.e., Judah’s stone in the breastplate, because Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel, including John) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.”
BOTH TRUMPETS WILL BE BLOWN WHEN THE TRIBULATION SAINTS COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ON THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD
When both trumpets are blown, the saints coming out of the shortened Great Tribulation will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54.
Num 10:1-4 says, “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them (i.e., both) for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (plural, i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.”
1Co 15:51-55 says, “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We (i.e., including Paul) shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”
THE CALLING TO THE “GENERAL ASSEMBLY” IN HEAVEN
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN.
The “calling of the assembly” in Num 10:1-4 ties in with “the general assembly and church of the firstborn” of Heb. 12.
Heb. 12:22-24 says, “But ye (i.e., the Tribulation saints that washed their robes in the blood of Christ) are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
The “church of the firstborn” is caught up first, at Mid-Trib. Then, the saints coming out of the shortened Great Tribulation will be caught up on the Day of God’s Wrath.
ON THE DAY OF GOD’S WRATH, THE SAINTS ALREADY IN HEAVEN WILL BE CALLED TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN
Mat 24:29-31 says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then (tote, at that time) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (tote, at that time) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other.”
AT THE SAME TIME, THE SAINTS COMING OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ON EARTH WILL BE CALLED TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN
Mar 13:27 says,”And then (tote, at that time) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN.” Agape
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