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Re: Rev. 2:10
Thank you for responding to my questions. I didn't expect you to have all the answers but prayed that the Holy Spirit would work thru one of us to interpret God's word correctly.

I looked at pro / con 184. There is some good thinking about Thomas.You may have hit on something big. I do believe that God has answered my prayer. With your findings everthing still fits scripture with no contradictions.

In regards to Rev 2:10. If you count the 10 years starting with 5759 and use inclusive reckoning you get the following, 5759, 5760, 5761, 5762, 5763, 5764, 5765, 5766, 5767, 5768.

This seems to fit. If we get to the start of winter I know we will be looking at a spring rapture for sure. Song of Songs eliminates winter for the rapture. Either way you slice it, we are close to going home to be with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Since the rainy season has begun in Israel, I know it is probably just wishful thinking for a fall rapture but I can see the walls of this world closing in on us and I can't wait to be out of here. I see dark clouds gathering and big big trouble ahead for planet earth. Even if our wait is until springtime we will stay ready and go about the Lord's business until he comes. In Christ

My reply

Thanks for reminding me that by inclusive reckoning, 5759 to 5768 is still ten years...the Jews...count the first year as number one. We don't.

You know, in the account concerning Thomas seeing Jesus, John 20:26 actually says, "AFTER eight days." Nine comes after eight. The year 5759 + 9 = 5768.

Do you remember the lady on P & C 177 that was getting ready for church last Pentecost and heard something?

Here is what she said, "Sunday Morning, while I was preparing our clothes for Pentecost services at Church; Our Heavenly Father spoke to my heart! He said, "Not YET; just one more! I instantly knew I was in his presence, and it temporarily stunned and frightened me! I forgot to ask Him one more what? But my soul rejoiced and tears welled up in my eyes instantly!"

Now we know that it could not have meant one more feast. Maybe it did mean one more Pentecost. That seems the most logical. We'll see.

I want to be out of here before that too.... We'll get through somehow. He just doesn't explain everything to us beforehand. We have to walk by faith and trust him for everything...

One thing, the faithful believers will "escape all these things that shall come to pass" and will "stand before the Son of Man" (Lu. 21:36).

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From Finland:
Interesting that your son had a dream so similar (the flying part) to those recorded in an earlier P/C (about mid June). The other "dreamer" was me. One thing that I often thought of was the fact that in my dream sky was quite bright - as it is here in late spring and early summer - but in Sept. 20 midnight sky is already dark. Should the rapture occur May 23 1999 the sky is fairly bright at midnight and even brighter at sunrise (about 4 am) when Saturn rises over the horizon. (same time-zone as Israel)

In your reply concerning stars you seem to have many sources of information about ancient star names. Do you know any other than the on containing the Bullinger book?

One slight misunderstanding there was:

"On pages 71 and 72, Chris gives some of the ARIES star names and their meanings. The brightest is EL NATIK (Arabic), THE WOUNDED OR SLAIN. The second brightest is AL SHERATAN, THE BRUISED. Torcularis Septentrionalis is not mentioned"

Torcularis Septentrionalis is Omicron Pisces, the second lowest of the Band leading to the left fish. (wonder if it is the one going up)

My reply

I think spring (Pentecost) sounds most likely for the Rapture because of Song of Solomon 2:10-14. That would agree with the sky in your dream also. Thanks for reminding me. I doubt that we would notice a spring sky or a fall sky here as much as you would in Finland. That spring sky may be an important point. Things keep adding up.

Dave just told me that in his dream, we were going straight up very fast, but that he had no sensation on his body of speed, wind or of a drop in temperature. He says that another thing that ties in is that there were clouds. The light was in a hole in the clouds. We meet Christ in the clouds.

The only book I have with what the names of stars mean is "The Zodiac Conspiracy," by F. Chris Patrick. I can't find a meaning for Omicron Pisces, either. The left fish is the one going up. The right one is swimming toward Aquarius to get some more water.

My book, "The Star Guide" by Robin Kerrod, only shows the star (the second lowest of the Band leading to the left fish) as a dot. At least I know where it is located now.

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I just wanted to thank you so very much for taking time for us and replying to our questions.  I pray that you always find time and strength for your all your endeavors. In Christian Love

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just to let you know that we just had a 5.2 magnitude earthquake here and I live in OHIO.  This is very very rare.  We never get earthquakes.  Can't even remember the last one.  Time is SO SHORT!  Keep lookin' up.

My reply

Wow! I was born and raised in Indiana until I was a freshman in High School. I graduated from High School in Kingsport, Tennesse, and NEVER felt an earthquake until I came to California. Then, low and behold, there was one in the middle west that was felt in 22 states, including Indiana. I saw it in the paper. I was shocked, but it does happen sometimes even in the middle of the country. Now, earthquakes are increasing dramatically, so they may not be as rare there as before. It is a sign of the end times. Our Earth is already shuddering. It will only get worse.

I'm lookin' up ok. No problem with that. Maranatha.

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Thanks again for all your hard work and patience with some who write into you, sometimes it is hard for me to believe we (all believers) will all be happy in heaven together. He will have to do some mighty works on included.

I still think it's Enoch and Elijah for the two witnesses, in the pro-cons, it was Jesus who was the one they did not believe who rose from the dead (not Moses). Some food for thought from Sir Robert Anderson's book on the Coming Prince.

Prophecy concerning when Messiah should present Himself

Daniel 9:21...27...

{14th march, B.C.445 Artaxerxes gives edict to rebuild Jerusalem to 6th April A.D. 32 was exactly 173,880 days (69 " weeks" of prophetic years x 7 x 360 days = 173,880 days}...

# 5. Feast of Trumpets
Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
I Thes 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee for the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Could this feast day be the "rapture" of believers?

#6. Day of Atonement
Leviticus 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Leviticus 23:28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
Dan 9:27 He (anti-christ) shall confirm the covenant (peace treaty) with many (nations) for one week (7 years) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.....
Dan 12:11 and from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination.....set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
In Jn 5:43 Jesus said, " I am come in my Father's name, and ye (the nation of Israel) receive me not: if another shall come (anti-christ) in his own name, him, ye will receive.
Could this Feast day could be the beginning of the (almost) 7 year tribulation period?.

#7. Feast of Tabernacles
Leviticus 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Could this feast day the beginning of the millennium reign of Christ?

Question: If Jesus fulfilled prophecy on the exact days of:
l. Passover.......................lamb of God died
2. Unleaved Bread........... in the grave
3. First Fruits.................. ascended to father

If the Holy Spirit fulfilled prophecy on the exact day of:
4.Penticost................... desended upon and filled believers

Question: Might not, God fulfil the feast days to come on the exact days?

I like you don't claim to be a prophet, just a servant watching and searching the scriptures.

My reply

> sometimes it is hard for me to believe we (all believers) will all be happy in
> heaven together.

I think that once we are out of this body of sin, we will get along fine.

> Sir Robert Anderson...{14th march, B.C.445 Artaxerxes gives edict to rebuild Jerusalem to
> 6th April A.D. 32 was exactly 173,880 days (69 " weeks" of prophetic years x 7 x 360
> days = 173,880 days}

I disagree with Sir Robert Anderson. The LORD said, "of CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: EVEN SAYING TO JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT; AND TO THE TEMPLE, THY FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID" (Is. 44:28).

Josephus recorded that Cyrus gave permission to rebuild Jerusalem: "IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE REIGN OF CYRUS, which was the 70th from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon...he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and TO REBUILD THEIR CITY JERUSALEM, and the temple of God."

According to Martin Anstey, in his "Romance of Bible Chronology," the first year of Cyrus was 454 BC. He found an 82-year error in Ptolemy's chronology. Ptolemy was not an eye witness to the events of 454 BC. He flourished at Alexandria c.130 AD.

By Jewish inclusive reckoning, the 483rd year was 29 AD. Since Messiah was to be killed "after" the 483 years, 30 AD fits perfectly. We couldn't miss, for by our reckoning, it would be 30 AD, the same year as the Crucifixion, just 40 years before Jerusalem was destroyed. This makes better sense to me than Sir Robert Anderson's edict of Artaxerxes, 360-day years and Crucifixion in 32 AD. The number forty means probation and testing, and Ezekiel 4:6,7 says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of JERUSALEM."

> Could this feast day (Trumpets) be the "rapture" of believers?

It could, but if Song of Solomon 2:11's "winter is past, the rain is over and gone" applies to the Rapture, I don't think it is very likely.

> Could this Feast day (Day of Atonement) the beginning of the (almost) 7 year
> tribulation period?.

It is possible, but I think the Feast of Weeks is a better bet, because it is the Seventieth Week of Daniel.

> Could this feast day (Tabernacles) the beginning of the millennium reign of Christ?

I think scriptures like Joel 2:1-3 show that the millennial Day of the Lord begins on the Feast of Trumpets.

> Question: Might not, God fulfil the feast days to come on the exact days?

I am sure they will be fulfilled on the exact days, but not necessarily as suggested. I think the Millennium will begin on the Feast of Trumpets. This seems to be the day of the asteroid impacts. I expect Israel to be born in a day (Isa. 66:8) this day. Therefore, their repenting and being accepted on the following Day of Atonement and rejoicing on the Feast of Tabernacles makes sense to me. During the world-wide earthquake, every wall will fall (Ezek. 38:20). This seems like the walls of houses would fall too. Therefore, the residing in booths just might be necessary at that particular time.

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I sended you an email last monday about rapture not coming this pentecost. I noticed that you didn't write until now. Unfortunately ! Maybe you got me wrong and thought that I wanted to offend you. This is not true, really. All I wanted was just an honest dialogue about your opinion so why didn't you actually write me? I am really interested in reading your answer so please write me about what you think why rapture didn't take place last week.

Don't feel pushed I just wanted to hear what you think, God bless you

My reply

I am not offended in the least. Why didn't I answer? I had 528 emails in my Inbox and still have 321. I am trying to work that number down, but it is not easy since my husband had open heart surgery, and I am taking care of him. Realistically, I may never get them all answered, but I try. Besides this, my email got rearranged somehow. It is no longer in order by date. Last night, I spent quite some time hunting for the new emails that came in and were scattered among all the older ones.

(Note: I finally got it fixed. Somehow, the setting changed on how to sort the mail.)

I do not really know why the Rapture has not yet taken place. The Jewish year 5758 means the season of Noah. The 58 spells Noah. It seemed the most likely year. This is still the Jubilee Year since Israel came back into the land. Since the Church was born on the 50th day after Christ's resurrection, maybe the Church will be born into another new world in the 50th year after Israel's resurrection. We will have to wait and see.

More important than anything is to be ready whenever it is. We are wheat, and Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to have him to sift as wheat. If we are being sifted, we sure want to stay in the sieve. Let the chaff blow away. We must have enough substance to not blow away.

At the time of the Preview of the Rapture, John saw Christ, "and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword" (Rev. 1:16). Why?

We see the answer in Lu. 12:46. The Lord of the evil servant "will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." This seems to be the foolish Laodicean virgins that will have to get left behind the first time and be caught up with the Tribulation saints. We must be wise Philadelphian virgins, for whom Jesus had no words of condemnation, and before whom he has set the "open door" (Rev. 3:8). Philadelphia means brotherly love. We should love the brethren with brotherly love and deal with them in God's agape love.

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Re: Eziekel 38
> What are your thoughts on the current Middle East situation with Iran and Afghanistan?
> I have been reading from the Internet that there are 200,000 Iranian troops on the Afghan
> border now and 25,000 Soviet troops on the Iranian border (Russia has an agreement to
> support Iran militarily).

***From Marilyn: There will be wars and rumors of wars.

> What I think could be evolving now is the battle of Gog and Magog.

***I don't think that is possible until the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation. Ezek. 38:18,19 says, "at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken." This is the Day of God's Wrath. It begins as the seventh seal is broken and the seven trumpet judgments cast on Earth. At the end of Rev. 6, it says, "For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" In 8:8,9 "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

As I understand it, this piece of the asteroid impacts the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5) on the Feast (Mal. 2:3) of Trumpets on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord (Joel 2:1-3), Sept. 13, 2007. Ezek. 38:19-23; 39:2,12,13 tell us what happens when it hits: "Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth (the worldwide earthquake of Rev. 16:18,19), shall shake at my presence ("sight" as transl. in Ezek. 36:31; this is the Sign of the Son of Man of Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (2 pieces of the asteroid, Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground....I will plead against him (Gog) with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people (united nation's army) that are with him, an overflowing rain (shower, a tsunami as well as rain), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be KNOWN IN THE EYES (seen) of many nations, and they shall KNOW that I am the LORD....I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee...And Seven months (5768 is a Jewish leap year) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land....and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent, when he returns in glory, on the following Nisan 1, (Apr. 6, 2008), saith the Lord GOD."

> The Bible says that God will destroy 85% of this confederation army and that a great
> earthquake will be felt around the world. This very earthquake could destroy
> the Dome of the Rock which would allow the Jews to rebuild their temple with the
> blessing of the rising antichrist.

***The Temple is there as the Tribulation begins (Rev. 11:1).

> The church could also be raptured
> concurrently with the destruction of this confederation army.

***Rapture II takes place just before (Rev. 7:14) the seven trumpet judgments hit in Rev. 8. That is the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

> J. Dwight Pentecost states in his book, Things to Come, that there is a gap of
> time between the Rapture of the church and the beginning of the Tribulation.

***I agree. Does he give a reason?

> With the disappearance of the church, I can only imagine the confusion that will
> unfold. What a perfect time for the antichrist to start making his move to
> global power by explaining away the Raptured saints!

***The "departure" of II Thess. 4:3, is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> P.S. The HAARP project in Alaska makes II Thes more real regarding the
> "illusion" that will come once the church is gone.

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From Germany:
our most precious sister in CHRIST, of cause we are much disappointed that the rapture didnīt occur on the 20th, but know with all assurance that it will be soon!
We continue to visit your web site and are truly amazed about the many blessings and insights we receive. Donīt be ever discourage about the negative ones. We know that you arenīt but have shown some deep agape and concern for those who have turned against you....
You are truly amazing and we thank FATHER for the wisdom, grace and insight HE is given you! Please give our love and greetings to your precious husband, Ed. It is such a joy to hear about his healing process.
Have a most joyous day as we bless you in HIS mighty name

My reply

Thanks for your kind comments. I may get tired, or ache all over, but I won't get discouraged. My faith is too strong for that.

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Re: Encouragement
This is my third letter to you- you were gracious enough to say in the previous letter, that you could hardly wait to meet me...I feel exactly the same way about you.  You remind me intently of my spiritual mother who was a woman of great scholarship, wife of a federal judge, a woman who was offered any position she would like at Moody Bible Institute in the days when such a thing was unheard of.

  As I have continued to visit your site daily and prayed earnestly for you and Ed,  I believe that I sense a weariness in you that is absolutely understandable!!  My own family has been through testing that I thought would have been beyond anything we could have endured in the past year.  The joy through death, threatened divorce by a daughter-in-law, heavy physical illness and heavy stresses has been that each one of my adult children has clung to the Lord with every ounce of their energy.  They continue to be in the leadership of international ministries through  the attacks that have raged. In the battle,  weariness is often the enemy above the circumstances.

  Your battle is uniquely your own, but I would wrap my arms around you if I could and tell you that hundreds if not thousands of us are praying for you and holding you before the Lord's throne.  We have come to love you deeply in the Lord, as well as respect your scholarship and appreciate your sacrifice of love.  It is not long, dear one.  And your reward is great.  I am praying that our Lord will strengthen you and renew your hope and encourage your spirit...expanding your joy in the midst of the pain. Lovingly

My reply

Thank you for such a nice email and words of encouragement. I do appreciate your prayers for us both very much. I am tired, and ache physically, but that won't get me down spiritually. Along with caring for Ed, I caught a cold from helping Dave save our Mimosa tree in a cold windstorm and have had a bit of a stomach upset. It isn't from worry for that I don't do. Whatever happens happens, and the Lord will see me through it all. My grandson has the same bug, but much worse than I do.

As Ed gets more on his own, things will settle down some. I have always had to study into the morning hours because of taking care of my family. I am pretty used to it and do not want them to feel neglected. As for being tested, I cannot tell you all the ways our family has been tested. I just say, "What next?", and go on. All the Lord asked us to do was take one step at a time. That seems possible, no matter what. I'm an overcomer. Letters like yours make it all worth while.

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My reply

I prayed for you. And you are right, I am sincere. As for money, I have very little. What I do have is a faith that is so strong that there is no room for the slightest flicker of doubt. I KNOW who Yeshua HaMashiach/Jesus Christ really is, the Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Isa. 9:6; 44:6; II Cor. 5:19; John 10:30,38; 17:21). That is worth more than anything this world offers.

Just be ready to share the hope that is in you. When you are ready and willing, the Lord will use you. The subject will come up when you least expect it. None of us can do anything in our own strength. The Lord says that without him we can do nothing, and that is the truth. Trust him. He will guide you as you go, every step of the way.

Shalom in His agape love.

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Greetings in the name of Jesus. My name is ... and I am from the Philippines. I have read your book, Revelations 2000, and I must admit that it is very much informative, although some of the materials are quite new to me.

After reading your book, I thought you might have a webpage and fortunately I found it. I have to confess that I copied almost all of the info posted there and even gave copies to friends and colleagues. My apologies, I felt they also need to know.

I have some questions if you don't mind. I have read another book, The Celestine Prophecy. It presented some intriguing ideas but I think I find them hard to believe because the concept is based on the theory of evolution, and I don't believe that theory. I would like to request for your opinion on this matter....God bless you. Respectfully

My reply

Everything on my Web page can be copied and distributed as long as I am given credit for it.

(Re: Celestine Prophecy, see email below.)

You can email me any time. God bless.

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Just wanted to drop you a line about the Celestine Prophecy. I did read the book a few years ago when I was still in my search for the truth.  The Celestine Prophecy is totally New Age and should be avoided at all costs.

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