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Re: On Death and Dying
My father died yesterday after a bout with pneumonia. I'm all right. Yesterday, in the morning, I could see that he wasn't going to make it, so I called my brother and told him to get over to my place, because there were only a few hours left. We were both with him when he passed away. I thought you or some of your readers might take some comfort from his last hours.

As death goes, my father's death couldn't have been much better. He spent his entire life in search of God. He believed with his whole heart that verse which says we should "revere God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man," (Eccl 12:13) and also that verse which says, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." (Mat 7:7-8) "  And that's what he did. He did not have to linger long, and his passing was without pain.

Several things struck me during his process of dying. He was in a kind of twilight zone most of the day with occasional periods of awareness. About 10am, his eyes suddenly cleared, and he turned is face toward me and in recognition, he got a smile on his face that I've never seen before. Honest. It was a very compelling smile that had an almost childlike quality about it. And in a soft, barely audible voice he said, "Susan, I love you." Then he slipped into that twilight area again.

Later, about midday, he was talking to no one in particular. I could barely hear him, even when I leaned over and held my ear close to his face. He was saying the Lord's prayer. He finished with a very clear Amen. A few minutes later, all alone with his God, I heard him ever so softly quote John 3:16. Then, still in that twilight zone between sleep and awareness, he stretched forth his hand and touched me and said something about a "beautiful experience." I couldn't tell with certainty, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the dying process itself. He died in my arms a short time later.

How can you beat that?  He died with the name of our Lord on his lips and in his heart and on his mind. If ever I saw a man just walk into Heaven, it was yesterday. His name was Walter Lyle Temple, and he was my dad. Susan T

My reply

Thanks for thinking of us when things are difficult for you. I praise the Lord that you are finding peace about it too.

R.B. Thieme taught me that there is "dying grace" given to Christians at the time of transition from this world to Heaven. They are unafraid and have a peace that the unbelieving world cannot understand. Dying grace gets them through the experience and totally into the arms of a caring loving God in a way that is easy on them and beautiful to behold, as you witnessed. It is their last testimony to unbelievers.

We can be comforted too, not only because we know that it is instant cure for them, but because the Rapture is near when we will see them again. It is more like they just went on an extended vacation. Instead of them returning to us, we will join them, be cured instantly also, and rest in our beds praising the Lord with joy beyond understanding.

Psa. 148:5,6 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth."

I believe that they are no longer older than in the prime of life, either. My mother spoke to me as I awoke in her house the day of her funeral. She said, "Marilyn, there's no way I'm 84 years old."

Job 33:25 says, "His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth." What a beautiful promise.

God be with you and comfort you.

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FWD: End time scenerio: The Vatican Agreement, by Monte Judah

It began as a good idea to subdue a problem dating back to Abraham. The Vatican and the Pope would take the over-sight of the Old City of Jerusalem and the temple mount. Neither the government of Israel nor the Palestinian Authority would have the final say. It would be the Vatican that would referee and umpire the age old conflict. The logic went something like this: If the government of Israel was in charge, the Palestinians would never concede. If the Palestinian Authority was in charge, then religious Jews would never concede. The idea of the Vatican, another religious authority, seemed right. At least it seemed right to Peres, Arafat and the Pope.

The Vatican loved the idea. For centuries, they had struggled to get and control Jerusalem. The history of the crusades told their story of ambition. Now the Israelis with Yasser Arafat's okay was to hand the entire city to them on a silver platter before the year 2000. Arafat agreed to the plan just before the famous "handshake" in 1993. This was a seven year agreement. His agreement was only temporary however, when he realized that the Vatican was also going to hand over a piece of the temple mount to the Israelis to make everything "fair." Israel saw the idea as a way to avoid future war. Specifically, so the scourge of war would pass them by.

Shimon Peres, the Foreign Minister in 1993, was the chief architect of this idea. Since he is a socialist and not a religious Jew, he viewed the religious controversy as a hindrance to real peace negotiations. His view of the Middle East was to get everyone in bed economically. If everyone was making money, there would be no time to fight he argued. There may be a point to his argument, but this is the Middle East where fighting goes back to Abraham and the conflict between Ishmael and Isaac. Putting the Vatican between them would be like putting your hand between two fighting dogs. It is a virtual certainty that someone will be bitten.

In 1993, the entire agreement concerning Jerusalem and the Vatican was put on hold. The idea was to build a peace platform on a series of interim agreements. We needed to resolve some issues like the returning of occupied lands, recognizing the PLO, establishing the Palestinian Parliament, Hebron, etc. The idea was to establish a tri-part agreement, then deal with Jerusalem, the most difficult part. From the beginning, things didn't go as planned. The first agreement was one year late. The Oslo II agreement that got things rolling was the return of some land for peace. The Palestinians got to do a whole bunch of things. This included a police force. It was supposed to be three groups: general police officers for each town, a body guard service for Arafat, and one more police force like the state troopers. The total armed persons was to be 12,000. It ended up being nine different types of units with 30,000 plus armed. Some estimates make the total 70,000. The Palestinians were to abandon terrorism and renounce their original charter calling for the destruction of Israel. Instead more bombs went off and the amendments to the charter were window dressing only.

Israel, as a consequence, began slowing the process of compliance on their part. Yitzhak Rabin, the Prime Minister who signed the OSLO II agreement, began to draw back from the peace process in the hopes of balancing the ledger. An assassin's bullets stopped that drawback. As world leaders spoke over the coffin of Rabin, each confirmed the Rabin agreement and Shimon Peres was in the driver's seat. Just before Rabin's death, the story about the Vatican agreement went public. Apparently, the Vatican leaked the story to motivate Rabin and urge him on. Up to that point, the subject of Jerusalem and the OSLO II agreement were not used in the same sentence. Arafat was bringing up the issue; Rabin was ignoring it; and the Vatican was trying to help things along. Once Rabin died, the Vatican agreement story died as well. The agreement didn't die, just the story. In fact, since Rabin's death, Israel has met with the Pope six times to keep the Jerusalem negotiations going and Arafat has met with the Pope six times. In particular, Leah Rabin, the wife of the assassinated leader met with the Pope right after the days of mourning were completed. Why would the Jewish wife of the Prime Minister of Israel go see the Pope? It apparently had something to do with some very important negotiations concerning Jerusalem. Jerusalem has taken center stage in the Middle East Peace negotiations since.

Shimon Peres began quietly trying to get another agreement as soon as he could. From Rabin's death until voted out of office, Peres worked hard to get another agreement, especially on Jerusalem. Arafat played hardball, believing Peres would win the election hands down. But something went terribly wrong in that thinking. Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party won the election by the slimmest of margins and the Peres plan on Jerusalem died in a few days. Arafat was visibly shaken; he had played hard to get and lost the opportunity. Netanyahu was now going to play hardball.

Netanyahu fully intended that the Palestinians catch up with their side of the agreement before Israel did anything further. "Reciprocity" became the watchword of negotiations. Simply put, Arafat's game of "what's mine is mine and what is yours we will negotiate for" was over. Arafat's strategy had to change.

The OSLO II agreement had several interesting clauses. One was a "blow out" clause. If the parties did not complete the final agreements (Jerusalem) by May 4, 1999, then the whole deal was off. Arafat figured that he could build international support for Palestinian statehood, have the agreement annulled, and accomplish what he really wanted. With regard to the agreement, the idea was to negotiate hard and get any "goodies" he could. The best "goody" to get was to somehow isolate Israel from American support. This has been his strategy since Peres lost the election.

Enter stage right, Madeline Albright. The United States in an effort to bolster the President of the United States image and decides to solve the entire Middle East problem before Gore can take office. Keying off of Netanyahu's ideas, Albright made a bold proposal. Let's have one more interim agreement. Israel will give up 13.1 percent more land, for a total return of 40 percent (a nice round number). What does Israel get in exchange you ask? Well nothing exactly, just the satisfaction that they moved forward with peace and a picture with the President shaking their hands at the White House. As a final carrot, the United States also agreed to commence the final status talks on Jerusalem and initiate the earlier Jerusalem agreements.

Arafat loved the agreement. He figured that Israel will never agree to it and this will split the United States and Israel. Besides, he would get more land and still declare a Palestinian state in 1999. Israel didn't seem that impressed about getting their picture taken with the President. With regard to the release of more land, serious defensive security questions lingered. But the Jerusalem final status talks were extremely tempting. They knew about the deadline and Arafat's intentions. As Israel attempted to negotiate, Albright presented a harsh tone and an ultimatum of "take it or leave it." Congress didn't like her attitude and Israel waited for internal forces to cool Albright's jets. The President's patience grew thin. He directed the CIA to find any way possible to undermine and drive Netanyahu from office. But there was one problem. God decides who the Prime Minister of Israel is not the President of the United States. On the day the President was to chastise Netanyahu, the news broke. A certain White House intern by the name of Monica Lewinsky turned up in the news and Ken Starr began investigating. It is the President that was concerned about his job and not Benjamin Netanyahu.

Months went by and Israel continued to demand reciprocity on the Palestinian part. Now fast forward to the present.

The final interim agreement is very close to being signed. Dennis Ross, the US Middle East negotiator, is down to the final elements. Israel is asking that 3 percent of the 13 percent be used as a nature preserve and that Arafat agree to change the charter within four months upon signature. But Arafat is balking. Why you ask? Because the final status talks concerning Jerusalem will begin with seven months left before the annulment date. Why is that a problem you say? The answer goes back to 1993.

If the final status talks for Jerusalem begin, the Vatican steps forward, front and center in the Old City of Jerusalem. The Vatican in turn will allow the Jews to get a piece of the temple mount and world opinion may shift to Israel calling Jerusalem their eternal capital. Arafat begrudges the Jews getting anything. Can you imagine how he feels about Israel getting some of the temple mount? This is why Arafat is begging other Arab nations to come to his aid. He has taken a picture of Solomon's temple out of an old Bible and he shows it to other leaders announcing, "This is what the Jews are after!" Actually, the Jews are after a piece of the temple mount to set a cornerstone and build an altar. They believe that the Messiah will return before the temple is built.

Arafat has a tough decision to make. He can get another chunk of land, hold off for May 4, 1999 and declare the Palestinian state or he can lose the land and still declare the Palestinian state. On the down side the Vatican gets involved and gives some of the temple mount to Israel. The Vatican is pushing for the deal. They want to hold the first of many new millennium celebrations in Jerusalem on the temple mount in January 1999. Israel wants the deal to fulfill promises made to the religious parties. But maybe it is the American President who wants the deal more than anyone. He desperately needs to have something happen at the White House that makes him look "Presidential".

So where are we with all this? If the Great Tribulation is to happen this winter, we need to see this interim agreement come together and be signed. We need to see the final status talks on Jerusalem commence. We need to see the Vatican step into its new oversight role and turn over some temple mount ground to Israel. We then need to see Israel set a cornerstone and build an altar. We then need to see the first new millennium celebration held in January, 1999 on the temple mount. Of course, we also need to see the Vatican and the new millennium officials insist that Israel not have their daily sacrifice on the same day as their celebration and ceremony. Did I mention that Prince Charles is to be the Master of Ceremonies for the new millennium ceremonies?

Will there be an interim agreement and all the rest of the scenario? There are no guarantees. It is all in the Lord's timing. But who would have guessed that you would have been reading this newsletter and be one of the end time saints to witness all this anyway?

This is not a time to bet the lives of your family and yourself; this is a time to trust the Lord and get ready.

My reply

Thanks for sending this information. I don't expect the Tribulation to start this winter, but the part concerning the Pope is right in line with my views.

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Interesting Solar activity projected for 1999:
This is my first email to you even though I have been monitoring your site since last winter. I came across some info on solar activity that seems to fit into all of the intense weather phenomena our world has experienced lately.  Here are some sites that discuss sunspot activity and other solar effects.  The quote below says that recent calculations project that the periodic solar maximum intensity is to occur in 1999 - much earlier than previously thought - with many possible complications to weather and world communications. Keep looking up, in Christ

http://wwwssl.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/quests.htm
http://wwwssl.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/sunspots.htm
http://wwwssl.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/predict.htm
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/news/solarmax.html

"In early 1997, emission features appeared near 55 degrees latitude, and subsequent observations have shown that these features are moving toward the poles. This then is the Rush to the Poles that heralds the next Solar Maximum. Based on previous observations, these features will reach the poles sometime between March 2000 and January 2001, which results in a prediction for Solar Maximum of between January and November 1999, substantially earlier than some other predictions. Predicting this phenomenon is important for the Air Force and the public in general. Since the last Solar Maximum in 1989, we rely more than ever on satellites and the information they provide."

My reply

Thanks. What got my attention was where the peak falls. It is not only the Y2K problem that looms on the horizon as we get nearer the turn of the century.

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ISRAEL: Quoted from the Jerusalem Post from September 11, 1998--
Oslo then and Now--by Naomi Chazan

"The Declaration of Principles signed on the White House lawn on September 13, 1993 established a five year framework during which interim agreements would be reached and implemented, and permanent negotiations would be concluded."

Arafat has been threatening to declare the West Bank and Gaza Strip a Palestinian State on the expiration date of the Temporary Oslo Accords on May 4, 1999.

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Arafat Prepares to Declare State, Arutz Sheva - Israel - 09/16/98
Palestinian preparations for their establishment of an independent state on May 4, 1999 continue...."

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I found and bookmarked the page. Thanks for taking the time to find it. I had looked almost everywhere but 76 and was afraid it was deleted. You really ought to make sure you keep that one. I hope it will be as useful to someone else as it was to me.

I realize the Holy Spirit works in many ways but it sure is exciting when someone else has a similar experience. Testimony is not just for the benefit of the unbelievers. When I began searching for answers early this year and had no one to turn to, I began looking on the web for help. There was a lot there, both good and bad. I think the Holy Spirit must have been guiding me because I was led to solid scriptural sites. The Billy Graham organization emailed me back and recommended "The Holy Spirit" by Dr. Graham and Experiencing God. Both are excellent. I also found a site called After Armageddon which deals primarily with events after the rapture. I never knew about Jesus's reign on Earth. There were so many things that I did not know about that had come to me at night that I knew something was going on and felt drawn to know more. Somewhere in the process I surrendered and prayed the prayer.

One thing still confuses me. (actually many things) I thought I accepted Christ and was baptized in a Baptist church when I was 11 or 12 years old. However, I never felt anything like the change I experienced this year. I never knew if I really believed or was sold by a good evangelist (it was during a revival). I wouldn't have expected a huge change in my life as a child as I had never missed church or Sunday School and was a very obedient kid, but as I grow older I was just going through the motions and left the church when I went to college. I would never have admitted that I didn't believe in Jesus, but there was certainly no relationship evident. I wonder if I was really saved, and if not, how many people out there are just like I was. I see lots of behavior by others, that if I did the same, I would immediately be convicted by the Holy Spirit. When I see this, I don't know what to do. I wouldn't want someone to weaken in their faith because they don't experience what I do, but I also hate to do nothing. You hear from lots of people, what is your thought? How do you get people to want oil in their lamp? By the way, I am sure you know that most Christians seem very uncomfortable talking about things like Armaggedon, Satan, etc. I find it fascinating and it looks to me like everything in the whole Bible points to it.

My reply

When I found Christopher's email on PC 76, I labeled it with a color and just now wrote a note of where it is in the back of my Bible. I am taking off P and C's to make room for new ones. My Web site is full. I'll have to be careful to preserve that one. Thanks for reminding me.

I can't say whether you were saved when young or not. Only the Lord knows. However, it seems likely that you were, but you were guiding your own life to a large degree and leaving God out of your daily decisions. You believed, but you more or less went your own way.

What you have experienced lately is likely to be because you have turned your life over to the Lord's GUIDANCE 100%. You have now handed him the reins and are willing for him to sit in the driver's seat and rule your life.

I also accepted Christ when young, was baptized (by sprinkling) the first time at 10, the second time (by immersion) around 18 or 19, and yet had a drastic change in my life sometime before 1960. (I was born in 1928.) At that point, I prayed again and not only asked Christ to be my Saviour (just to be certain), but to fill me with his Holy Spirit and to show me what he wanted me to do. I turned my life over to him to GUIDE 100%. Things have not been the same since.

My daughter did this at 18. She told the Lord that she knew what she had been able to do for 18 years and was willing to turn her life over to him 100% and see what he could do. She did this after attending our Baptist Church Camp at Palm Springs. A boy that absolutely had nothing but a few clothes and a van, had to depend on the Lord to move people to feed him and put gas in his van so he could continue his ministry, was at peace and radiated happiness. He spoke to the young people then they all went out to lounge around the pool. She went over and asked him how he could be so happy when he really had nothing. He told her that it was because he trusted the Lord 100%. That is when she made the decision to turn her life over to Christ to guide 100%. She was immediately filled with the Holy Spirit and experienced happiness beyond understanding. She didn't know anything to compare it with.

> How do you get people to want oil in their lamp?

It may be different for you. We are each different cells in the Body of Christ. Ask Him. He will show you. However, I emphasize that we must have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to go in the first Rapture. We have a lot to lose if we don't have enough, and a lot to gain if we do have enough.

> By the way, I am sure you know that most Christians seem very
> uncomfortable talking about things like Armaggedon, Satan, etc.
It could be just that they do not know a whole lot about the Bible and don't want to feel stupid. Knowledge of Scripture brings confidence and makes talking of these things natural and easy.

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I know you are swamped with mail and I really admire your determination to answer most if not all of it!  You will definately have a special place in Heaven.

  I am trying to understand Revelations and have been comparing your intpretations to others and my own as well.

  Can you please explain to me what Revelation 7:9-17 is talking about??  To me, it appears that this is when the Rapture occured.

  By the way I hope your husband is doing better. Thank you!

My reply

To really understand The Revelation of Jesus Christ, first know that he will be revealed at the Rapture. The Rapture is "at hand" in the first chapter (1:3) and in the last chapter (22:10). Jesus signs off saying, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5). Jesus dictated the whole thing as if standing on the pinnacle of the Rapture to look both backward and forward in time.

He told John, as the scribe, to "write the things which thou hast seen (before he Rapture), and the things which are (at the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture)" (1:19).

The Pre-Trib Rapture takes place with the "Come up hither" in 4:1. These are "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (5:9). First, Jesus tells what happens after the Rapture in Heaven (chapter 5). Then starting with chapter 6, Jesus will "show thee things which must be hereafter" (after the Rapture) on Earth. Chapter 6 is the beginning of the Tribulation. It ends with the breaking of the sixth seal and "the great day of his wrath is come" (6:17). The breaking of the seventh seal on the Day of God's Wrath is in chapter 8. In between the sixth and seventh seals, we find chapter 7, which is the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints. They too are "of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (7:9). They must be present in Heaven before the seven trumpet judgments of Rev. 8 can hit the Earth.

"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God" (7:14,15).

Jude 23 says, "And others save with fear. pulling them out of the fire (just before the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth that day); hating even the garment spotted by the flesh" (the reason they wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb, i.e., confess their sins).

Evidently, these should not look back as Lot's wife did. They must obey and are escorted out by angels like Lot. Fire falls the same day (Lu. 17:29).

I think the second Rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets in 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007).

Ed is doing great. No setbacks. He's just slowly and steadily getting his strength back. He is kinda unsteady, but he can walk out to the kitchen, using his walker, and fix a peanut butter and banana sandwich, grind flax seed to put on his cereal, or mix up a batch of pancakes. Yesterday, he took some potatoes to his chair and peeled them. Today, he walked down several aisles in a small grocery store, but waited in the car when I had to stop at a larger store. We appreciate all the prayers in our behalf.

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