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Posted 11-25-15


Revelation 2:10
" shall have TRIBULATION TEN DAYS, be thou faithful unto death, and I WILL GIVE THEE THE CROWN OF LIFE."

Does that sound like a pre-tribulation rapture to you ? I THINK NOT ! We will witness God's "ten days tribulation" upon Israel beginning on the New Moon of Nisan 1, thru Nisan 10, BEFORE we will receive "the crown of life" on the day of our rapture which will be on the Day of Palms, Nisan 10.

God's judgment upon Israel, BEFORE the rapture of His Church, is the "ten days" great tribulation upon Israel : Matthew 24:21-22. Then "IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of those days..." (in Israel) : Matthew 24:28-29, the rapture occurs as described in: Matthew 24:30-31 and Seal #6. Then, AFTER THE RAPTURE, Jesus opens Seal # 7 that begins God's twenty-one judgments upon the whole world which is Satan's 1,260 day "hour of temptation": Revelation 3:10.

It is a perfect plan that perfectly fits all the parameters and requirements of Scripture, but not the conjectures of man !


> > Revelation 2:10
> > " shall have TRIBULATION TEN DAYS, be thou faithful unto death, and I WILL GIVE THEE THE CROWN OF LIFE."

That is past history of the Church.


You have been telling me over and over that the Rapture will take place on Palm Saturday, Nisan 10. I doubt it. You also have said that the Crucifixion was on Wednesday. I think it was on Thursday. I think both Raptures will fall on feasts, Pentecost and Tabernacles. My reasons are listed below.

Jesus arrived in Bethany at supper time on Saturday. There was no time for riding the donkey into Jerusalem that day. He rode into Jerusalem on the next day, Palm Sunday.

Joh 12:1,2 says, "Then Jesus six days (i.e., Saturday) before the passover (i.e., the following Friday) came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. 2 There they made him a supper".


(Dates, days of the week, and fasts verified at:

Saturday, Nisan 8, 3790, April 1, 30 AD: Jesus arrived in Bethany late in the day, ate supper and slept there that night
Sunday, Nisan 9, April 2: Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the "ass", presenting himself as "thy King" (Zec 9:9)
Monday, Nisan 10, April 3: Fast of Nadab and Abihu (Lev 10:1,2), the Jews chose their Passover lambs, Jesus cursed the fig tree and purified the Temple
Tuesday, Nisan 11, April 4: Fast of Ezra (Ezra 8:21-31), the fig tree was dried, Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse
"after two days (i.e., on Friday) was the feast of the Passover" Mk 14:1
Wednesday, Nisan 12, April 5: Jesus was anointed for burial
Thursday, Nisan 13, April 6: Fast of the Firstborn on the day before Passover, Fast of Esther (Est 4:16), Jesus was crucified, and "it was the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14)
Friday, Nisan 14, April 7: Passover
Saturday, Nisan 15 (date Israel left Rameses), April 8: Unleavened Bread
Sunday, Nisan 16, April 9: Firstfruits, Resurrection of Jesus

Mar_16:9 says, "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week"
Luke 24:7 says, "and the third day (i.e., Friday, Saturday, Sunday) rise again"
Luk_24:21 says, "beside all this, to day (i.e., Sunday) is the third day since these things were done" (i.e., on Thursday)


Joe 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."


Son 2:11 says, "THE RAIN IS OVER AND GONE". Therefore, Nisan is over and gone. Verse 15 says "OUR VINES HAVE TENDER GRAPES." They come on in June. Pentecost will be Sunday, June 12, 2016. To me, it seems like a more likely date for the First-Trump Rapture.


Son 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places (i.e., 'places' is not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for OUR VINES HAVE TENDER GRAPES."


The Holy Spirit came to indwell believers on Pentecost. It is the feast that belongs to the church. It marks the beginning of the wheat harvest. To me, it is the most likely time for Jesus to come for the church.

Mat 13:24,25 says, "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way."

Mat 13:30 says, "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

We are wheat.

Luk_22:31 says, "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat".

Exo 34:22-24 says, "And thou shalt observe THE FEAST OF WEEKS, OF THE FIRSTFRUITS OF WHEAT HARVEST, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. 23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel. 24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt GO UP to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year."

Pentecost, the feast of weeks, is the time of "the firstfruits of wheat harvest". Tabernacles is the feast of ingathering at the year's end. It represents the time of restored fellowship with the Lord.

Therefore, Pentecost seems most likely for the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17, and Tabernacles seems most likely for the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54. No wonder it is a time of celebration, a week of rejoicing.

Lev 23:42,43 says, "Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths: 43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I BROUGHT THEM OUT of the land of Egypt (i.e., meaning black): I am the LORD your God."

Lev 23:36 says, "Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a SOLEMN ASSEMBLY; and ye shall do no servile work therein."


Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, and for THE JOURNEYING OF THE CAMPS. 3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."


Heb 12:22-27 says, "YE ARE COME UNTO MOUNT SION, AND UNTO THE CITY OF THE LIVING GOD, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, AND TO AN INNUMERABLE COMPANY OF ANGELS, 23 TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we ESCAPE, if we turn away from HIM THAT SPEAKETH FROM HEAVEN: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet ONCE MORE I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 AND THIS WORD, YET ONCE MORE, SIGNIFIETH THE REMOVING OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SHAKEN, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain."

Rev 7:13-17 says, "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 THEREFORE ARE THEY BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell (skenoo, tent, as in the Tabernacle, Strong's dictionary says, 'For the Christian [skenoo] is dwelling in intimate communion with the resurrected Christ) among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Tabernacles was marked this year by the final Blood Moon of the Tetrad, a sign.

Joh 7:37 says, "In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, LET HIM COME UNTO ME, and drink."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (i.e., at the Feast of Tabernacles): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Tabernacles, Sukkot, is a harvest festival. The sukkah is a temporary dwelling during harvest.

Exo 23:15,16 says, "Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) 16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field (i.e., PENTECOST): and the feast of ingathering (i.e., TABERNACLES), which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in (asaph, take away, withdraw, i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture) thy labours out of the field."

Mat_13:38 says, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom".

Rev 14:12-16 says, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; AND THE EARTH WAS REAPED."

Mat 17:1-7 says, "And after six days (i.e., 6000 years?) Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. (i.e., Moses and Elijah are caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture) 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, ARISE, and be not afraid." Agape


It is not past history according to Revelation 1:1


Rev 1:1 says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if the first Rapture was at hand, so it fits our day.

It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters.

Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Rev 22:10 says, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

In Rev 22:20, Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly."

This miracle play is arranged around the First-Trump Rapture.

In the Preview, Rev 1:9-11, says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (i.e., meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (ginomai, i.e., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

Suddenly, John was in heaven. So were the candlesticks that represented all the churches at the time of the first Rapture, and Christ was in the midst of them.

Rev 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., BEFORE THE RAPTURE), and the things which are (i.e., at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (i.e., after the first Rapture).

In Jesus' monologue to the churches, the time is just before the first Rapture. The church at Sardis is told to "watch" or he will come on them "as a thief". The Thyatirian church is facing the "great tribulation". The Philadelphian church is facing the "open door". The lukewarm Laodiceans are risking getting left behind.

The messages to the churches of Ephesus, Smyrna, and Pergamos are now past history. The message to Ephesus was to the apostolic church. Rev 2:2 says, "...and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars".

The message to Smyrna (which means myrrh, an embalming spice) was mainly to the church persecuted by Domitian. There were many martyrs. Polycarp, pastor of the church at Smyrna, was burned alive about 155 AD.

Now, Satan's seat is no longer at Pergamos. It was taken to Nuremberg, Germany, and the Pergamon Museum built around it opened in 1930. Agape


The "abomination of desolation" is NEVER spoken of as "he" in the Scriptures, but the "abomination of desolation" is spoken of as "IT" in the Scriptures because "it" is the standing army of Gog-Magog "set-up" to desolate Jerusalem according to the following Scriptures which are all describing the very same event :

Daniel 12:11
"....................and the abomination of desolation set-up, there shall be 1,290 days."

Matthew 24:15
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the holy place (Israel), Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains."

Mark 13:14
"When ye shall see the abomination of desolation , spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, standing where IT ought not, then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains."

Luke 21:20
"When ye see Jerusalem besieged with ( Gog-Magog Army) soldiers , then understand that its desolation is near. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains."

The anti-Christ is nowhere in sight because he is not revealed until AFTER the rapture. The Gog-Magog Army will desolate Jerusalem just BEFORE the rapture as God's great tribulation judgment of wrath upon the land and the people of Israel just BEFORE the rapture according to the following Scripture :

Luke 21:22-23
"For these are the DAYS OF ( God's) VENGEANCE to fulfill all things that are written. .............For there shall be GREAT DISTRESS ( tribulation) in this land (Israel) and WRATH upon the people (Israelis ).

Now the rapture can take place AFTER all of the pre-requisite prophecies have been fulfilled, and the anti-Christ has nothing whatsoever to to do with it ! He is revealed to the left-behind AFTER the rapture of the Church.


> > The "abomination of desolation" is NEVER spoken of as "he" in the Scriptures, but the "abomination of desolation" is spoken of as "IT" in the Scriptures because "it" is the standing army of Gog-Magog "set-up" to desolate Jerusalem

To me, the abomination of desolation is an idol that is set up on the Temple Mount Mid-Trib.

The Gog and Magog War is on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Eze 38:18-23 (KJV) says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (i.e., caused by the mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacting the Mediterranean Sea); 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (i.e., a tsunami), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

1 Maccabees 1:57 (Douay-Rheims) says, "king Antiochus set up the ABOMINABLE IDOL OF DESOLATION UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD".

1 Maccabees 6:7 says, "they had thrown down THE ABOMINATION, WHICH HE HAD SET UP UPON THE ALTAR IN JERUSALEM".

Dan 8:13,14 (KJV) says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and THE TRANSGRESSION OF DESOLATION, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, UNTO TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED."

Daniel 9:27 (KJV) says, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (i.e., the 7-yr. Tribulation): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Dan 9:27 (NLT) says, "The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a SACRILEGIOUS OBJECT that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."

Daniel 11:31 (KJV) says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (shiqquts, idol) that maketh desolate."

Daniel 12:11 (KJV) says, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination (shiqquts, idol) that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Mat 24:15,16 (KJV) says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination (bdelugma, idol) of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then (i.e., MID-TRIB) let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains".

Mat 24:15 (NLT) says, "The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about - the SACRILEGIOUS OBJECT that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place."

Mat 24:20,21 (KJV) says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then (i.e., following Mid-Trib) shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Mar 13:14 (KJV) says, "But when ye shall see the abomination (bdelugma, idol) of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains".

The abomination of desolation will take place Mid-Trib.

Rev 12:6-12 (KJV) says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness (i.e., Mid-Trib), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 THEREFORE REJOICE, HE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture just took place). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Dan 12:1 (KJV) says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., afterward) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."

2Th 2:1-4 (KJV) says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., 'day of the Lord' in Siniaticus, Alexandrine and Vaticanus Codices) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (i.e., DEPARTING) first, and that man of sin (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed (i.e., MID-TRIB), the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."


Rev 13:11-14 (KJV) says, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should MAKE AN IMAGE TO THE BEAST, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."


Aug 19, 2015
"Hundreds of Catholics gathered in St. Peter's Square this morning to celebrate the Holy Father's announcement that 2016 will now be called the Year of Divine Wrath. The announcement came as Pope Francis asked God to rain down fire and brimstone on the world for its corruption and lack of care for the poor.
"It is time, oh Lord, for retributive justice!" Francis yelled into the microphone in front of all those gathered. "Let Judgment Day commence!" Agape

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