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INCOMING EMAIL, RE: UNDERSTANDING
Shortly after Thanksgiving 2015 I had an experience similar to your
encounter with Ed.
I was asleep alone in our bed and sometime after midnight, I awakened
myself trying to say a gentle "Hey," as one might when another person
approached from behind & passed you. There before me, at the left-side
foot of the bed stood a male figure which I immediately recognized to be
my earthly father, Pete Ray Ogden, who had died in 1978.
My first thought was, "My stars. this is actually happening for real!"
and I was totally amazed, but not in the least frightened. Pete had the
most friendly expression on his face you could ever imagine, and he
looked directly at me as if he wanted to answer a question of mine.
I was totally amazed at the reality of this event. I observed from the
night light behind Pete the roundness of his shoulder muscle. The other
night light revealed he had tightly-curled, charcoal appearing colored
hair, a dark charcoal golf shirt buttoned to the top, with no button
visible, black, pleated on both sides pants with a shiny black belt that
had no buckle.
I further thought, "Why I can safely be close friends with him!" But I
didn't ask him a question. Then Pete projected, by mental telepathy,
"No apologies, no explanations." Then he disappeared.
I would welcome any comments from you.
forgot to mention, in my earlier email, that Pete Ray Ogden looked
"the picture of health," as we say about a very healthy person. Also, he
was "borderline" plump in the stomach, which made him look very
well-fed. But, I assumed no one in heaven eats until the supper with
Bridegroom Jesus. Still this experience reassured me Pete is one of
those awaiting me in Heaven, whenever that time arrives. Betty
(I am 80 yrs old.)
I am 87.
Thanks so much for letting me know about your experience.
Ed died Dec. 27, 2011. After he strode into my bedroom on April 2, 2012, I searched the Internet hoping to find someone else who had had a similar experience. I couldn't find one.
You noticed the roundness of Pete's shoulder muscle. I noticed the flow of what looked like black silk pants around Ed's shin bone as he strode in between the bed and dresser. His clothing hung on his body as if he had flesh and bones. His black wingtip shoes looked heavy, but he walked quickly with no problem.
I remember Jesus saying in Luk_24:39, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
Ed seemed to have flesh and bones too. His weight seemed normal, and yet, he walked through the wall. The last thing I saw was a small triangle of his shirt that billowed out behind him.
After the Resurrection, Jesus went into a room without opening the door.
Joh_20:19 says, "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."
Joh 20:26 says, "And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you."
We will understand better later on, but I'm so glad Ed was allowed to come let me know we could be together forever.
I knew that we became one flesh when we married. However, these verses bothered me.
Mat_22:30 says, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
Mar_12:25 says, "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."
I asked Ed if there were female angels in heaven. He said, "Yes." I asked if we could be together forever. He said, "Yes."
As I understand it, we can eat, but we don't have to, when we get to heaven.
Luk_22:30 says, "That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
Long ago, I had a dream of Ed and I walking up to the door in a huge warehouse-like building in Heaven. Inside, we were served food.
Thank you, Lord for helping me to understand.
Here is an interesting post I found on the Internet today.
"The Messiah is "standing at the doorway" and it is up to each one of us to usher in his arrival, a leading spiritual leader of the Jewish nation was quoted as saying.
Rabbi Chizkiyahu Mishkovsky, the spiritual adviser for several distinguished yeshivot (religious learning centers) in Israel, told a gathering at a Lev L'Achim event in Bnei Brak in April, speaking in the name of Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, the arrival of the Messiah is close.
"My dear brothers, I would like to tell you something very interesting. One of those who is very close and dear to Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky came to me recently and said that Rabbi Kanievsky told him to go out and tell the people, 'We are in one of the most critical hours for the nation of Israel. We are on the threshold of the Messiah, and the Messiah is standing just outside the door....
"Rabbi Mishkovsky also revealed that Rabbi Kanievsky also gave him a startling mission. He was told in no uncertain terms to begin to announce to all of Israel the imminent arrival of the Messiah."
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I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture next Pentecost, Sun. June 12, 2016. See Song 2:10f. There will be first-ripe grapes. They ripen June 1.
Next Pentecost will be in the Jubilee Year. That sounds like something the Lord would plan. Agape
AN INTERESTING TIDBIT FOUND ON THE INTERNET
"According to the prophecy of the Patriarch Jacob (Genesis 49:10), the time of the coming of the Reconciler-Messiah should coincide with the loss by the tribe of Judah of its political independence. If one does not take into account the most ancient and insignificant elders of the tribe of Judah, then the first leader of this tribe was King David, who lived a thousand years before the Birth of Christ. Beginning with him, the tribe of Judah was ruled by his descendents, who reigned in Jerusalem. After the Babylonian captivity (five hundred years B.C.), the tribe of Judah was ruled by its tribal elders right up to the reign of King Herod the Great, some thirty years B.C. Herod, an Idumean by descent, had no relation either to the lineage of David or to the tribe of Judah. He secured the royal title through his ties with Rome and through court intrigues. For this reason his presence on the throne of the glorious David deeply wounded the sensibilities of the Jews, who regarded him as an unlawful usurper. During his reign the tribe of Judah lost completely its civil independence, and in this same period Jesus Christ was born, in fulfillment of Jacob's prophecy.
"An interesting detail concerning this event was preserved in the Midrash, an ancient part of the Talmud. There it is related that when the members of the Sanhedrin learned that they had been deprived of the right to try criminal cases (in A.D. 30), they put on sackcloth and, tearing their hair, gathered and began crying out, "Woe to us, woe: it has been a great while since we had a king from Judah, and the promised Messiah is not yet come!" This occurred at the very beginning of Jesus Christ's ministry. He was that very Reconciler, Whom the Jewish elders did not know but Who, in the words of the angels, was to bring people God's good will (Luke 2:14). It should be added that from the time of the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world, the tribe of Judah lost not only its civil independence but even its tribal identity, as a recognizable, blood-related entity, due to mixed marriages with Jews of other tribes. Consequently, the prophecy of Jacob must already have been fulfilled." (http://www.roca.org/OA/161/161d.htm)
GOOD NEWS! THE TALMUD SAYS THAT MESSIAH WILL COME THE YEAR FOLLOWING A SHMITTAH YEAR, PUBLISHED BY ANNETTE GRECO MEISNER
Reported on http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2015/neill1018-3.htm
"Oct 15, 2015 -- Rabbi Chizkiyahu Mishkovsky, the spiritual adviser for several distinguished yeshivot (religious learning centers) in Israel, told a gathering at a Lev L’Achim event in Bnei Brak earlier this week that, speaking in the name of Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, the arrival of the Messiah is close.
Recently, Rabbi Kanievsky related a teaching in the Talmud, a central rabbinical text in Judaism, that explicitly states that the Messiah will come the year following a shmittah year; this year is ripe for the arrival of the Messiah upon the conclusion of the shmittah year one month ago(2).
Rabbi Kanievsky said, "Tell the people we are in one of the most critical hours for the nation of Israel. We are on the threshold of the Messiah, the Messiah is standing just outside the door"...
EMAIL RECEIVED BY DAVID DAUGHTREY
For many years, I've had your amazing vision from 1996 bookmarked on my computer. Of all the visions, dreams and prophecies I've read, none compares with yours. My spirit seems to confirm the truth of what you witnessed. The giant rust colored sphere in the sky correlates perfectly with the arrival of the illusive Planet X. Planet X will reportedly bring with it several days of darkness before it causes the catastrophic pole shift which, I believe, is explained in detail in Isaiah 24 and is undoubtedly the great red dragon of Revelation 12.
Having said that, I am also 100% in agreement with your latest 5 Doves post about the Rapture occurring in 2017. You gave some very compelling reasons to expect our Lord to return for us in 2017. I had been praying and asking God to give me the year of the rapture. The Word says we cannot know the day or the hour. That implies we CAN know the year. Shortly after I began asking God for the year, I ran across a You Tube video entitled, "2017 - Will This Be the Big Year" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WdlKp60j0
2017 - will this be the big year?
Firstly, you can visit http://www.heavyrevy.com In doing some research, I found several Biblical interpretations, 10 to be exact that point to the most like...
What amazed me most about this video is that it begins by saying, "This isn't about the day or the hour. This is about the year." That seemed like a direct answer to my prayers as I had continuously told God I didn't care about the day or the hour - only the year.
Considering all the evidence you already offered regarding 2017, I have a few exciting things to add that I believe absolutely confirm that 2017 is the year of our redemption.
First of all, there has been considerable speculation about the length of a "generation" since Jesus said "this generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled". Scholars have debated 120 years, 100 years, 70 years and 50 years as the length of a generation. Well, guess what? 2017 fulfills all of these time spans. 2017 - 120 years = 1897 (first Zionist Congress). 2017 - 100 years = 1917 (Balfour Declaration for Israel). 2017 - 70 years = 1947 (UN General Assembly voted to create Israel again). 2017 - 50 years = 1967 (Jerusalem recaptured). Wow! God realized (of course) that there would be disagreements about the length of a generation so he made the year of the Rapture to fulfill all of the time lines!!!!! Is God brilliant or what?
But there's even more and these two revelations seem to be the final proof that we are going home in 2017. Remember, after your 1996, vision that a cloud appeared before your eyes with the number "21" clearly visible within it? Well, I was always somewhat disappointed thinking that maybe the 21 meant the year 2021. I don't want to wait that long. But, it might also mean 21 years after your vision. 1996 + 21 = 2017. Yay!!!! More evidence.
But the very best evidence to date for the year 2017 is so simple, it's almost ridiculous. For years I've told myself that God probably put the rapture date in the Bible right in front of our very eyes. But we were so busy analyzing and adding and subtracting numbers and making this whole thing so darn confusing and complicated that we missed it. I just "knew" God had it in his Word somewhere and I am absolutely shocked to see how perfectly simple he made it for us to know the year. Jesus said the start of the Tribulation would be "as in the days of Noah", right? What date did Noah enter the ark?????? Ready???? Drum roll...................2nd month, 17th day. 2 _17 or 2017. God didn't have to offer that tidbit of information. Why would we care some 4,000 years later? It's in there for a reason. Right before our eyes! 2017. This generation of 70 years shall not pass away till all these things be fulfilled. The extra years Jesus spoke of "by reason of strength, 80 years" allows time for the 7 year Tribulation.
God does not lie. He cannot lie. Time is up! The true Jubilee is 2017. The Greek word for Jubilee is "Yovel" which means "to be carried off". The Jubilee is the restoration of all things and returning back to our land. Me thinks this time we are really going home. Praise God! Blessings to all
> > But the very best evidence to date for the year 2017 is so simple, it's almost ridiculous. For years I've told myself that God probably put the rapture date in the Bible right in front of our very eyes. But we were so busy analyzing and adding and subtracting numbers and making this whole thing so darn confusing and complicated that we missed it. I just "knew" God had it in his Word somewhere and I am absolutely shocked to see how perfectly simple he made it for us to know the year. Jesus said the start of the Tribulation would be "as in the days of Noah", right? What date did Noah enter the ark?????? Ready???? Drum roll...................2nd month, 17th day. 2 _17 or 2017. God didn't have to offer that tidbit of information. Why would we care some 4,000 years later? It's in there for a reason. Right before our eyes! 2017. This generation of 70 years shall not pass away till all these things be fulfilled. The extra years Jesus spoke of "by reason of strength, 80 years" allows time for the 7 year Tribulation.
> > God does not lie. He cannot lie. Time is up! The true Jubilee is 2017. The Greek word for Jubilee is "Yovel" which means "to be carried off". The Jubilee is the restoration of all things and returning back to our land. Me thinks this time we are really going home. Praise God!
It does seem like the Rapture could be in the Jubilee Year, but 5776 (2016/17) is the Jubilee Year. Pentecost, the time of firstripe grapes (2Sol 2:10f) will be Sivan 6, 5776, Sun. June 12, 2016.
THE GREEK WORD YOVEL HAS THREE MEANINGS
"Yovel carries three meanings - 'Ram’s horn','Jubilee' and 'to be carried'. The time will come when we will be 'yoveled', carried off, to our eternal resting place; to HaShem."
IN STRONG'S HEBREW CONCORDANCE, TERUAH (JUBILEE) ESPECIALLY MEANS CLANGOR OF TRUMPETS
From H7321; clamor, that is, acclamation of joy or a battle cry; especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum: - alarm, blow (-ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout (-ing), (high, joyful) sound (-ing)."
"2017 less 120 years is the first Zionist Congress of 1897.
2017 less 100 years is 1917, the Balfour Declaration for Israel.
2017 less 70 years is 1947, when the UN General Assembly voted to create Israel.
2017 less 50 years is 1967, when Jerusalem was recaptured."
DON ROTH PROVED THAT THE WEEKLY CALENDAR HAS BEEN KEPT CORRECTLY EVER SINCE ADAM WAS CREATED
He started with the year of Noah's Flood and went both backward and forward."
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THE YEAR 5775 DIVIDES BY 7 EQUALLY
Therefore, 5775 was a Sabbatical Year. The coming of the Jubilee was announced on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, so people could arrange their affairs. The Jubilee Year will start on the first day of the Sacred Year, Nisan 1, 5776 (Sat. April 9, 2016). The Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years all begin on Nisan 1.
According to http://areyouready.co.za/Jubilee-Year, "These are the sum of the parts that make up Jubilee: The 7th day is a sabbath rest day and the 7th year is a Shmita (Hebrew meaning "release") a sabbath rest year, and the 7th Shmita is the 49th sabbath rest year with the 50th being Jubilee... then the cycle starts all over with the (50th year being the first year of the) next cycle."
Song of Solomon 2:10f shows that the Rapture will be at the time of firstripe grapes. Isa. 18:3f agrees and shows that it will be in the spring.
Son 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (i.e., Nisan is over); 12 The flowers appear on the earth (i.e., April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, they come in April and leave in October) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the TENDER GRAPE give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., Christ, our rock), in the secret places (i.e., the word places is not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for OUR VINES HAVE TENDER GRAPES."
Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (i.e., the UN flag) on the mountains (i.e., kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17), hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER (i.e., in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches. 6 They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them. 7 In that time (i.e., IN THE SPRING) SHALL THE PRESENT BE BROUGHT UNTO THE LORD OF HOSTS of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion."
Pentecost 5776 will be June 12, 2016. Summer will begin June 21. I hope Sunday, June 12, 2016 will be the date of the Rapture.
The Rapture will take place about Mid-Trib.
Rev 13:5-12 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, "the first beast," verse 12) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., just before the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., mainly the Laodiceans and Thyatirians left behind at the First-Trump Rapture), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (i.e., Antichrist) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."
THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE
Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven (i.e., Mid-Trib): Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, salvation), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."
WE ARE WHEAT, AND PENTECOST (THE FEAST OF WEEKS) IS THE BEGINNING OF THE WHEAT HARVEST
Luk_22:31 says, "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat".
PENTECOST/FEAST OF WEEKS, FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE
I TH 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Exo_34:22 says, "And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest".
Act_20:16 (2016) says, "For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, TO BE AT JERUSALEM THE DAY OF PENTECOST."
In 1Co_16:8, Paul said, "I WILL TARRY AT EPHESUS UNTIL PENTECOST."
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of EPHESUS write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks".
TABERNACLES, LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE
1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
Deu 15:1 At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release."
Deu_16:16 says, "Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and IN THE FEAST OF WEEKS, AND IN THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES: and they shall not APPEAR BEFORE THE LORD empty".
Deu 31:10,11 says, "IN THE SOLEMNITY OF THE YEAR OF RELEASE, IN THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing." Agape
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