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Posted 4-19-16


"Two prominent rabbis in Israel - Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch and Rabbi Shlomo Moshe Amar - have hinted in public that the Messiah is "just around the corner" based upon certain world events taking place today.

Rabbi Sternbuch, vice president of the Rabbinical Court and head of the Eidah Charedit organization in Jerusalem, recently said that people should "put on their Shabbat clothes in preparation for the Messiah."

As reported by the Hebrew language website Kikar Shabbat, Rabbi Sternbuch was giving over his regular weekly lesson when he began to relate the arrival of the Messiah to the recent conflict between Turkey and Russia. He concluded that in the context of this conflict, we should anticipate the Messiah.

"We have received a direct teaching, passed down from one to another, from the Gaon of Vilna, that when Russia goes and conquers Istanbul, the capital of Turkey, it is time to quickly put on your Shabbat clothes and expect the Messiah," he said.

"Here we have Russia and Turkey in a conflict with each other. We hear sounds of war. All of the nations seem so surprised that Turkey began a fight with Russia," Rabbi Sternbuch explained.

"But we see in this the realization of the teachings of the sages, that when the Messiah needs to come, God will incite nations against each other, until, against their will, there will be a war. Therefore, as the Shmittah goes out, we should have great inspiration to wake up and repent."...

"This is precisely the time to repent and pray," he said. "Messiah is just around the corner and is waiting to arrive....

"In a related report on Kikar Shabbat, Rabbi Amar, the Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Jerusalem and former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, was quoted as saying that the world is currently in the closest possible moment for the arrival of the Messiah."


Can u give me a lot of proof that heaven is a planet because my family doesn't believe it when I told them that it was in the Dakes Bible. Also, how can I see it


Thanks for the reference in Dakes Bible. I had not seen this before. This is one Bible I don't have, but he quoted the KJV, which I have. DAKES BIBLE
"NOTES ON PSALMS p, 622, 623 Dake's Annotated Reference Bible, The Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version "Text by Finis Jennings Dake."

"I reading the bible last night came across this wording in Psalms and then in the extensive notes on Psalms in the KJV, and thus spent time reading other verses:

"The words heaven and heavens are used 718 times in Scripture.
They mean the air, clouds, sky, expanse, stars, and the planet on which God dwells.

"The Planet Heaven (2 Cor. 12); Created before Earth (Gen 1:1; 2:1; Job 38; 4-7)

"Heaven is a created planet like Earth (Gen 1:1; 2:1; Ps. 8:3)

"Highest Planet (Eph. 1:21; 4-1; Heb. 7:26)

(MY NOTE: Heaven is the highest NAKED-EYE planet, not the outermost planet.)

"A paradise (2 Cor. 12:1-4; Rev. 2:7)

"God's dwelling place (Dt. 26:15; 1 Ki. 8:30, 39, 43, 49)

" the north part of the universe, in relationship to the Earth (Isa. 14:12-14; Ps. 75:6-7)

"...above (1 Ki. 8:23)

"...and in the highest part of creation (Job 22:12; Lk. 2:14; Eph. 1:21; 4:10)

"...round (Job 22:14; Ps. 19:6) the Earth (Isa. 40:22; Eccl. 1:6)

"...unknown, but perhaps larger than Earth, judging from the size of its cities (Rev. 21:9-27), from the size of other planets compared to Earth and from the number of inhabitants (Jer. 33:22; Heb. 12:22-23)

"...has real cities (Heb. 11:10-15; 13:14; Rev. 21:2, 9-27)

"...all material things like we have on Earth (Rom. 1:20; Phil. 2-10)

"...Men have been taken to heaven and have lived there in natural bodies for thousands of years (Gen. 5:24; 2 Ki. 2:1, 11; Zech. 14:11-14; Heb. 11:5; Rev. 11:3-11)

"And much more can be found in the Bible = NOTES ON PSALMS p, 622, 623 Dake's Annotated Reference Bible, The Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text by Finis Jennings Dake.

"Why is there so much doubt about life on other planets when the Bible states that God dwells on the planet called Heaven?

"I went to Church and I never heard one sermon that depicted Heaven as a planet. It was only ever 'paradise'. Well, why not be specific with the terminology?

"It would make a lot of sense too with the fall of man as per Genesis. They fell from a planet.

"Also, does this prove life exists on a Planet other than Earth? Yes I believe it does.

"Here we all are searching for answers and yet, here in the Bible, it states another Planet with life on it exists"


> > "Highest Planet (Eph. 1:21; 4-1; Heb. 7:26)"

Eph 1:20,21 says, "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come".

Speaking of Jesus, Heb 7:26 says, "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens".


(1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, (3) SATURN, the last naked-eye planet.


2Co 12:2-4 says that Paul "knew a man in Christ (i.e., Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

SAPPHIRES SYMBOLIZE HEAVEN. When reading Exo 24:10 and Eze 1:26-28, keep in mind that Jesus' September birthstone is the sapphire, which symbolizes wisdom, faithfulness, sincerity, purity and heaven.

Exo_24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE STONE, AND AS IT WERE THE BODY OF HEAVEN in his clearness."

Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Ezekiel saw the terrestrial planets Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, plus the Asteroid Belt, Jupiter and Saturn orbiting the Sun.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (chay, lively things, i.e., the flying planets), behold one wheel (i.e., orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces."

Earth, being spherical, faces the four directions of the compass, north, east, south and west, at the same time.

Jesus' September birthstone is the sapphire. As you read Eze 1:26-28, keep in mind that the sapphire means heaven. The word sapphire comes from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Heaven (i.e., Saturn) is marked by a ring system like the rainbow that is also like the glory of the LORD.


Rev 4:1-3 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven (i.e., on Saturn), and one (i.e., the God/man, Jesus) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (i.e., last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (i.e., first stone in the breastplate, because Jesus is the first and the last): and THERE WAS A RAINBOW ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE (i.e., around Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald" (i.e., which was the stone of Judah, and Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah).

Rev 4:6 says, "And before the throne (i.e., of Jesus) there was a sea of glass (hualinos, transparent) like unto crystal (krustallos, ice)".

That ice fits the ring system of Saturn, the only naked-eye planet with rings. The space-craft Cassini, launched Oct. 15, 1997, discovered water-rich plumes venting from the south polar region of Saturn's moon Enceladus.

There are interesting pictures of this on the Internet. (

"Cryovolcanoes near the south pole shoot geyser-like jets of water vapor, other volatiles, and solid material, including sodium chloride crystals and ice particles, into space, totaling approximately 200 kilograms (440 lb) per second.[15][17][18] Over 100 geysers have been identified.[19] Some of the water vapor falls back as "snow"; the rest escapes, and supplies most of the material making up Saturn's E ring." (

Sodium chloride, salt, lowers the freezing point of water. It is probably necessary to keep the jets of water from freezing too soon.


In the southeast, late evening (10 to 11 PM) on April 24, 2016 in the mid-northern latitudes, the Moon will rise above a triangle formed by Saturn, Mars and Antares. Saturn (rising after the Moon) will be on the left below the Moon. Mars and below it, Antares, will be to the right of the Moon. Mars will be on the Ecliptic (our visible path of the Sun), and it will be brighter than Saturn and Antares. Agape


> > Solomon 2 :10 predicts a rapture of the Bride in the Springtime, and much evidence points to the rapture on the same day Jesus ascended to heaven --- ASCENSION DAY --- which is Thursday May 5, 2016 on the Gregorian calendar.

Song of Solomon 2:10f does predict a spring Rapture, however it comes at the time of green figs and firstripe grapes. That time starts in early June, so I am looking for the First-Trump Rapture on Sunday, June 12, 2016, Pentecost.


Son 2:10-16 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (i.e., Nisan is over); 12 The flowers appear on the earth (i.e., April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit. turtledove) is heard in our land (i.e., they come in April and leave in October); 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs (i.e., in early June), and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell (i.e., in early June). Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places (i.e., this word is not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. 16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies" (i.e., the Madonna Lilies are blooming in the fields).


Exo 23:14-17 says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. 15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib [i.e., Nisan]; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) 16 And THE FEAST OF HARVEST, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and THE FEAST OF INGATHERING, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. 17 Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD."

Mat 13:38-43 says, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."


The 7-day feast of Unleavened Bread included the Feast of Firstfruits, when Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven. That set a pattern for taking saints to Heaven.

Therefore, I think the First-Trump Rapture (ITh 4:16,17) will be on "THE FEAST OF HARVEST" (PENTECOST); and the Last-Trump Rapture (ICo 15:51-54) will be on "THE FEAST OF INGATHERING" (TABERNACLES). Both are harvest feasts.

Unleavened Bread and Tabernacles, the beginning and ending of the harvest, are both 7-day feasts. Tabernacles is followed by Shemini Atzeret, the 8th assembly. It is a day of rejoicing. It follows the harvest, and is the day the Hebrews abandoned their booths and resumed living in well-built homes.

Eight means the beginning of a new series. Shemini Atzeret represents the beginning of a new cycle. It probably will begin after the second Rapture group is called to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven.

Rev 19:5-9 says, "And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are CALLED unto the marriage supper of the Lamb."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." Agape


Rene (3 Apr 2016) "passover?"

>> Anyone know when true Biblical Passover and Pentecost are this year? The way the Gregorian calendar has it, Passover came AFTER Easter Sunday, rather than before it. Bizarre....Were they right in adding an extra month to the calendar this year, which affects Passover and Pentecost - how?

The true calendar this spring, as I see it:

Passover, Nisan 14, 5776, Fri. April 22, 2016
Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5776, Sun. June 12, 2016

The engineer Don Roth figured the date of Noah’s flood, then carried it back to creation week and forward to today. He found out that the Hebrew calendar is correct. I have four of his free DVDs.

Biblical Calendar | Hebrew Calendar Calculation | Sabbath ... The Biblical Calendar mathematically proven by Don Roth, order the (free) DVDs to learn more about the Biblical Calendar.

I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture this Pentecost.


Wed. 3-13-2013, when the Antichrist was elected, plus 1260 days is Wed. August 24, 2016, possible Mid-Trib when the False Prophet will take office. If so, we should be caught up to Heaven before that.


Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the first beast, Antichrist, who had upon his head ‘THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY’, pontifex maximus, which started with Nimrod) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., including the saints that will probably be caught up on Pentecost, June 12, 2016). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., those left behind, including some of the churches of Thyatira and Laodicea), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations (i.e., the word catholic means universal, the whole). 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 IF ANY MAN HAVE AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 "And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet, the second son of perdition; Judas Iscariot was the first) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns (i.e., two comings to power) like a lamb (i.e., Jesus), and he spake as a dragon."


Rev 2:18-22 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."


Rev 3:14-16 says, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."


1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep (koimao, dead). 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazo, taken away by force, i.e., raptured) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."


How do we know that?

Joh 4:6,7 says, "Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. 7 says, "There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink."

Joh 4:35 tells us, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."

The two feast days when an offering was waved before the Lord was Firstfruits and Pentecost. The four months are Sivan, Tamuz, Av, and Elul.

The Old Testament saints were taken up to Heaven on Firstfruits. The New-Testament saints will probably be taken up to Heaven on Pentecost. The saints out of the Great Tribulation will probably be caught up on Tabernacles.

Lev 23:15-21 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. 17 YE SHALL BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD."

Deu_16:16 says, "Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles".


Rev 17:8-11 says, "The beast that thou sawest (i.e., Satan) was (i.e., in Judas Iscariot), and is not (i.e., in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (i.e., the second son of perdition, the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (i.e., Satan) that was (i.e., in Judas Iscariot), and is not (i.e., in man now), and yet is (i.e., exists). 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (i.e., Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Holy Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and Babylon III), on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is (i.e., the Holy Ecclesiastical Roman Empire), and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation). 11 And the beast that was, and is not (i.e., Satan), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition" (i.e., the False Prophet).


In The Secrets of Enoch, we find out that Enoch was born and raptured on Sivan 6, which is now Pentecost.

Exo 23:14-17 says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. 15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) 16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. 17 Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD." Agape

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