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Israeli police blocked the Temple Mount Faithful from approaching Al Asqa to lay the cornerstone

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New stuff at Wyatt archeological pages. The following quote is from update. Somehow I wonder if the Ark will be presented just before or after Rapture 1.
Bible reminds that blessed are those that believe withouth seeing.

Hopefully within a year or so it will be time to reveal the Ark of the Covenant to the entire world. When the Lord says, "It is time", Ron will return and reenter that cave and take along with him a camera crew and one or more genetic scientists. We will see them take a sample of Christ's blood (their is a dried pool of it on the Mercy Seat!), and we will see the test results of that extremely unique blood! Ron has already tested his own sample and he knows what the results will be. Remember, Ron works as an anesthetist in several hospitals and he has see lots of blood.
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FWD: Mondex Update, By Chris Beard

Mondex commercials have been airing on Canadian television in promotion of its MARC. The spots show the Mondex name and 3-ring Masonic logo. They also tell us that it will not only be the cash alternative but our identification alternative as well.

Notice that Mastercard (51% owner of Mondex International) has changed their logo to "The future of money." They have also unveiled the 'SET MARK' to accompany Mondex wherever it goes. Remember that SET is the Egyptian name for Satan.

Try reading this press release replacing SET with the words Satan or Satanic. Yet another coincidence?

Recent Toronto Dominion commercials show a metal claw trying to awkwardly grasp at coins. The sublime message is "monetary dexterity " just as Mondex derived their name.

Health Canada is also running MARC commercials explaining that our health cards will be part of the soon to arrive MARC.

Recently I was able to confirm with several banks the plan to go cashless. Scotia Bank representatives have said that the bank will remove chequing from their system altogether by some time this year (1998).

Toronto Dominion bank will only be accepting cash but not issuing it later this year. They explained that you may turn it in for credit but withdrawals will only be made using Mondex products.

The Royal Bank has issued a video to their shareholders with a proposal to begin human chip implants THIS YEAR (1998).

A Bank of Montreal (MBANX) manager revealed to us that Mondex is not being well accepted by merchants despite media propaganda. He also confirmed in 1997 that human chip implants would be in use within two years.

Mondex has decended like a cloud upon the city of Jacksonville, FLorida just as it has in Guelph (Canada) as an initial US Mondexized site.

In the latest Mondex magazine, they show a thermographic image of a hand holding a golden key.
From the hand is flowing a DNA strand that goes into a keyhole. The image is very disturbing....

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Thanks again for the help. There really is a lot in the old testament isn't there?

> At the Rapture, "them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM"
> (I Thess. 4:14). They will get their resurrection bodies ahead of us.
> Then we will "be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the
> Lord in the air" (I Thess. 4:17).

If the dead in Christ are already in Heaven, who is left to "get their resurrection bodies ahead of us?" Who are "those which sleep in Jesus" that God will bring with him?

I also recently met a Jew that is a Christian. Since it seems the Jews were looking for a much different Messiah than the Jesus who who the Lamb, who do they think is referred to in Isaiah 53? Are they just skipping prophecies like that and focusing on those which describe Jesus in His Second Coming?

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There is so much packed into the Old Testament that we will never get to the bottom of it in this lifetime. No man could have done it. Only God could.

> If the dead in Christ are already in Heaven, who is left to "get their
> resurrection bodies ahead of us?" Who are "those which sleep in Jesus"
> that God will bring with him?

The dead in Christ are those that sleep in Jesus. They do not yet have their resurrection bodies. They will get them at the Rapture.

> who do they think is referred to in Isaiah 53?

Non believing Jews say it is talking about Israel. Messianic Jews know it is talking about Yeshua (Jesus).

> Are they just skipping prophecies like that and focusing on those which
> describe Jesus in His Second Coming?

In 30 AD, most Jews were looking for a leader who would set up an earthly kingdom. They rejected Christ because he did not do that at that time. Those Jews did not understand the verses that spoke of the First Advent. They did focus on the verses concerning the Second Advent. Even now, there are many Jews who are looking for a Messiah ben David AND a Messiah ben Joseph. These people can't see how one person could fulfill all the messianic prophecies.

Here is a verse you can use when trying to help Jew's accept Yeshua. Prov. 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?"

His name is YHVH (Yahweh), and his son's name is Yeshua, a shortened version of Yahwehshua (Yahweh is Saviour) or Yahshua (Yah is Saviour). Their own scriptures show that God has a Son. It should make them think.

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how much conviction do u hav that the dead in christ has already been resurrected at Feast of trumpets '98? or do u think they still wait resurrection at Pentecost '99?

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The dead in Christ are already in Heaven. I think they have to wait to get their resurrection bodies until the Lord brings them with him in the air at the time of the Rapture. After that, we will rise to meet them and the Lord in the air.

I like that picture. My parents, my brother, Ed's brother, etc., will be in that group waiting for us to rise up to meet them. I hope we can find our own families right away.

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I'm glad you all are growing stronger and more healthy. I'm sorry Ed's got a cold, though, perhaps you should stuff him with vitamin C?

We surely do live in interesting times. Aren't they exciting? I'm so glad God let me live during these times, although I really get frustrated because of the evil all around, and then I have to remind myself that everything is falling apart right on schedule! God is in control.

Well, anyway, I wanted to talk about P/C 191. In it, you answered, to the incoming mail, Rev. 6:2 says, "behold a white horse: and he that sat on him (rides forth as a prince of peace, as the Pope does even now) had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer (from nikao, from which comes 'the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes,' Rev. 2:15)"

I beg to differ with the idea that the person on the horse is more significant than the action of the riding out and the consequences of the riding out. What I mean is, these four horsemen represent EVENTS, not people. None of the other riders of the "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" are tagged as significant persons, but as CONDITIONS. The first horse and rider represent false peace, the second horse and rider represent war, the third horse and rider represent famine, the fourth horse and rider represent death and hades. There is no place in the Bible where the Antichrist is represented as having a crown and riding on a white horse. He is always the beast, that old serpent, satan, the liar, the father of lies, etc. He is never in the whole bible given a crown or having a crown and never riding a white horse....

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> Ed...stuff him with vitamin C

Here's his cold cure, and its working. I tried it when I caught a cold right after he came home from the hospital. I beat it in three days. He is getting better fast too. I put 1 t. crystalline Vit. C (equals 4 grams) and half a dropper of Echinacea juice in a tumbler of water. I also put a packet of Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold in a cup of water. He has these three times a day. On top of that he has two grams of Vit. C in tablets.

As for these interesting and yet frustrating times we live in, I know exactly how you feel. I wouldn't trade living now for anything, but as I told my neighbor when she came over today, "We are living in the end of the age. It isn't going to get any better."

> What I mean is, these four horsemen represent EVENTS, not people.

I think there are two people in Rev. 6:2-8, the Beast and False Prophet. There are also events. The Beast rides on three different symbolic horses during his 42-month term of office. Then the False Prophet takes office.

I think the time of the first seal is the beginning of the Tribulation. At that time the Beast, the first one of Rev. 13, comes on the world scene. He rules 42 months (13:5), the first half of the Tribulation. He presents himself as a prince of peace and people say, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (13:4). This is why symbolically, he rides forth on a white horse in Rev. 6.

By the second seal, probably about the second year of the Tribulation, this same Beast is symbolized as riding a red horse for he takes peace from the earth. "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints" (Rev. 13:7).

By the third seal, famine strikes because it has not rained since the two witnesses began their ministry at the first of the Tribulation. The Beast is then depicted as riding a black horse and holding a scale in his hand to weigh out grain. I am reminded of the seven bad years in Egypt.

By the fourth seal, it is time for the False Prophet to take the reins of both the world government and the world church. "And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast" (Rev. 13:12).

It is the middle of the Tribulation. The False Prophet is depicted symbolically as riding a pale horse. His name is symbolically called Death. Hell followed with him because he is the man that is Satan possessed. Isa. 28:15,18 says, "ye have said, We have made a covenant with DEATH, and with HELL are we at agreement...And your covenant with DEATH shall be disannulled, and your agreement with HELL shall not stand."

The False Prophet "spake as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11). "And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman (Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:17). The Satan-possessed False Prophet is given power over 1/4th of the earth, "to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth" (6:8).

Isa. 10:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (the seventh head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."

In Rev. 17:11, we see both the False Prophet and Satan rolled into one. "Hell" follows with him. It says, "And the beast (the tail, both Satan and the False Prophet) that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition". Satan was in Judas Iscariot, is not in man now, and will be in the second son of perdition, the False Prophet. Satan also has been the driving power behind all the seven world empires. He is "of the seven."

> There is no place in the Bible where the Antichrist is represented
> as having a crown and riding on a white horse.

I think the Beast is represented that way in Rev. 6:2. I don't call him the Antichrist for I think the Satan-possessed False Prophet is the final Antichrist. Rev. 19:20 doesn't say the Antichrist and the False Prophet. It says, "the beast" and "the false prophet." I try to call them that.

The Beast is the seventh head of the "great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and SEVEN CROWNS UPON HIS HEADS" (Rev. 12:3). At the beginning of the Tribulation, the Beast is given power "over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Rev. 13:7). He is the leader of the world government. Thus, he is depicted as having a crown. He has the power represented by a crown. He is also head of the world church. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb" (Rev. 13:8).

Even the ten horns are "ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (at the time of the Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (Rev. 17:12). As the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1 the ten horns (kings) have "ten crowns." They seem to be subsidiary leaders in the united nations under the supreme power of the Beast.

It is interesting that already, the world has been divided into ten divisions. Maybe each of the ten divisions will elect one of the ten kings to represent them at the united nations. We are getting close to the end. The puzzle pieces are falling into place rapidly.

Yes, I know that the Temple Mount Faithful were not able to lay the cornerstone. Maybe we have to be outta here before that will happen. Right now, we are the temple of the Spirit of God.

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So the souls of those who died in Christ are in Heaven awaiting their resurrection bodies.

Thanks for all your help. You really do put in long days. You know, it would really be a powerful tool if you could get some help and arrange your site (or link to another one that is already set up) for a search by topic and a Q&A. I am sure many people ask the same questions, or at least have the same questions but do not take the time to ask. This could save you a lot of time and help spread the Word more efficiently.

You have much wisdom buried in your P and C, plus I know you are ministering to many individually. It would be a shame to lose this because of space limitations and be unable to find it because of its volume. The incident with Christopher is a great example.

Also, I think that the sharing of your knowledge on other areas of the Bible demonstrates that you are a whole person and not limited to the more controversial aspects of your studies. Your knowledge of the Bible is a great resource.

Why not ask for some help on the programming and site design? I am sure there are many Christians who do not have your Bible knowledge but who are expert in computers who would love to help your ministry. Post a notice on your site and see what happens.

Let me know how I can help.

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The problem in finding Christopher was that I put Chris in the Search document and checked Whole Word. It was the very first time I ever tried to do a multiple file search, and you asked about Chris. My memory was not good enough to tell me that his name was really Christopher. Knowing as little as I do, I was lucky to find it at all. I had to try several things before I found it. The word "warm" finally did it.

I am a novice at a computer. At each step of the way, I learn just what I have to know to do what I must do. But, this I do know, it takes memory to do anything. I have fought "not enough memory" problems ever since I got my first Mac 512K. I had to learn how to install new SIMMS in the Mac IIsi I am now using to just get 17 Megs. I had to get a SyQuest disk to work on.

I have no extra space on my Web page to run a program to do anything, even if someone else set it up. I have to take off early Pro and Cons to upload new ones. Numbers 16 and 17 fell last night. Also, if I can just find time to write it, I want to add another file of my own. There goes a few more Pro and Cons down the drain. Right now, I can't see a search program in the future. I'll just rotate Pro and Cons. If someone has a question, I'll try to answer it. Until I check my incoming email again, my Inbox is now down to 284, from 528. I'm trying.

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I guess the confusion rests in the fact that the Pope could be the false prophet; being His wearing of clerical robes (like a two-horned lamb or whatever) which could signify the false church allied with false Judaism or whatever). I still believe that the Pope is going to be the one who is the false prophet; who promotes the one who is going to be the Antichrist. This could be evidenced in the fact that even now the Pope is exonerating an individual with Facist sympathies who was living during the 1940's. It would seem to me that the man who is going to be leading the EU nations (I hesitate even to mention his name; but I think you know who I am talking about; the man who is trying to promote himself into the position of President of the EU in 1999) would be the one who becomes the Antichrist. Even Clinton is asking world markets to get together to try to solve the current economic crisis with falling stock markets. The European currency, military buildup through Eurocorp and the new International police force gathering to stop international terrorism; etc. puts this man in the potential position to take over the world.

I can't help but think of that verse (sorry; I don't have all verses and their proper locations in the text memorized; but thanks for your patience in this matter); anyway; the verse in Thessalonians which says that the "end" won't come until the "evil one" is revealed. An old book from a Mr. W.C McBirnie written in the late 1970's seems to take this concept of events occuring before the rapture one step further and suggests that the seven months of cleanup followed by seven years mentioned in Ezekiel means that the Russian invasion could PRECEDE the Tribulation (by 3 and a half years) with the end of the cleanup beginning the Great Tribulation making things last for a 10 year period altogether (the hour of trial mentioned in Revelation???) Another perspective.

Well, enough said for now. I appreciate your input. Just trying to put my "feelers" out to do the things the Lord requires for me to do at this time. I am only half your age; but write to others half MY age a lot; because they seem to be ALMOST exclusively the ones who are fighting the battles "front and center" so to speak against the enemy. The youth are the ones who are targeted by the enemy; and also who I believe the Lord is working with in the greatest emphasis at this time (feel free to disagree with me at any time here). People like you can give great wisdom to youth today. I write e-mail to people; but being at my "advanced" years; I can't post things on America Online to teens. (House rules). They said they couldn't stop me from e- mailing people. So may your wisdom reach out to the youth however the Lord seems fit to be moving on your heart to do this today.

God bless (thanks for listening to the words of a youngster like me!) I feel I can learn more from children than many adults these days myself.

From your most appreciative e-mail (and eternal buddy)

P.S. I hope your husband is doing better.

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> I guess the confusion rests in the fact that the Pope could be the false
> prophet; being His wearing of clerical robes (like a two-horned lamb or
> whatever) which could signify the false church allied with false Judaism

Both beasts are wolves in sheeps clothing. It would be unlikely for the Tribulation Pope to be a Jew, but not impossible. Someone told me of one possibility.

The False Prophet comes out of the land (i.e., Israel) (Rev. 13:11). He is the "foolish shepherd" of Zech. 11:15-17: "For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land (Israel)...Woe to the idol shepherd (who says, "make an image," Rev. 13:14) that leaveth the flock! (he moves to Babylon) the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

The False Prophet is symbolized as having "two horns like a lamb" because Satan has two comings like Christ. Satan was in Judas Iscariot and will be in the False Prophet when he is cast out of Heaven Mid-Tribulation. That is when the False Prophet will speak "as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11) and sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4).

> I still believe that the Pope is going to be the one who is the
> false prophet; who promotes the one who is going to be the Antichrist.

I think the Tribulation Pope is the Beast and the False Prophet is the final Antichrist.

> President of the EU in 1999) would be the one who becomes the Antichrist

The Beast and False Prophet are both head over the world church and the world government, the former during the first half of the Tribulation, the later during the last half. This is bigger than the EU. Mid-Trib, the Satan possessed False Prophet pulls off a coup, maybe by causing the Beast to have an accident that incapacitates him for awhile. The False Prophet is thought to be of the tribe of Dan. Gen. 49:17 says, "Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider (the Beast) shall fall backward."

> the seven months of cleanup followed by seven years mentioned in Ezekiel means > that the Russian invasion could PRECEDE the Tribulation (by 3 and a half years)

I don't see how. Ezek. 38:18,19 show that the attack on Israel by the united nations is on the Day of God's Wrath. It is the trigger that brings on the Day of Destruction and the seven trumpet judgments, including two asteroid impacts. The seven trumpet judgments do not happen 3 1/2 years before the Tribulation.

Listen to Ezek. 38's account of what happens that day. Verses 19-21 say, "there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel: So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field...and ALL the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, as in Ezek. 36:31), and the mountains ("mountain" and "star," i.e., asteroids, of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground...I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (shower, i.e., a tsunami, for the "mountain" impacts in the Mediterranean Sea), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone....And I will be known in the eyes of many nations (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and they shall KNOW that I am the LORD." They will not necessarily KNOW that he is the Lord until the Day of Destruction. That day all Israel will be born in a day (Isa. 66:8).

> The youth are the ones who are targeted by the enemy

He hits them hard, thinking he has a great chance to lead them astray. Too often, he succeeds. As a general rule, this last generation is like no other. II Tim. 3:1-5 says, "in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness (New Age stuff?), but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." If you can pull any out of the fire, more power to you. They really need it.

Thanks for your concern for Ed. He was able to go out for supper tonight. He has slept the days away since he woke up with a cold Tuesday.

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the marc
It is starting soon. I am on welfare, and we were just issued a computer chip card to get our food. Soon it will be on our hands. Not mine.

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I just read an article from the Wash. Post forwarded to me about 2000 homing pidgeons that disappeared this week and no one knows what happened to them. They were released for some kind of "race" and instead of returning home, they have vanished! It is all very perplexing and the owners of the birds are trying to figure out what happened to these birds.

Pidgeons are TURTLEDOVES, aren't they? curious

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I got the article about the homing pigeons too. Strange. The Bride is called a dove in Song of Solomon 2:14. We will fly away too.

For those who didn't see the article, here is a sample:
Homing Pigeons Race Off to Oblivion
More Than 2,000 Birds Vanish in One Week, Leaving Owners Baffled
By Eric L. Wee, Washington Post Staff Writer, Thurs, October 8, 1998; Page A03

"Homing pigeons, as the name suggests, are supposed to find their way home. But more than 2,000 of the creatures have disappeared this week -- simply gone AWOL -- and no one can explain it. "The birds lost their way during two homing-pigeon races held Monday in the mid-Atlantic region. Out of 1,800 birds competing in a 200-mile race from New Market, Va., to Allentown, Pa., about 1,500 have vanished. And in a 150-mile race from western Pennsylvania to suburban Philadelphia, 700 of 900 pigeons are missing.

"Most of the pigeons should have been back in their lofts within a few hours. Although it's not unusual to lose a few birds during a race -- a hungry hawk, for example, might snag a few racers -- this week's loss is extraordinary, organizers of the two events say.

"'There is something in the air,' said Gary Moore, who was the "liberator" for the 150-mile race, deciding when and where the birds were released. 'To lose this many is just unbelievable.'"
I looked in the dictionary to see if turtledoves are pigeons. Webster's Collegiate says, "any of several small wild pigeons esp. of an Old World genus (Streptopelia) noted for plaintive cooing." The Webster's Unabridged does not mention pigeons under "turtledove at all," but it does under "dove."

What I call pigeons around here are much bigger, longer legged, and much more aggressive than what I call doves. The pigeons are marked in various ways, often with white, where the doves are soft brownish gray, but to me, the distinguishing feature of the dove is its tiny head. It sits on the roof and coos. The sound is comforting, peaceful, undulating and nearly constant for quite long periods of time.

Maybe "MR. CAPS" will have more information than I do. He looked up turtledoves in several books.

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