Pro and Con 1925

Posted 7-27-16


I am excited. I have good news. This changes what I have been thinking lately about the timing of the Rapture.

Look at Rev 12. What is seen in the heavens when the Rapture is taking place?


Rev 12:1-5 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (i.e., Virgo) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO, i.e., raptured) unto God, and to his throne."


Rev 12:6-14 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now, this day) is come salvation (malat, escape, leap out), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child (i.e., Mid-Trib). 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (i.e., 3 1/2 years), from the face of the serpent."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., afterward) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED (malat, escape, leap out), EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK."

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (HARPAZO, i.e., raptured) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Rev 2:26-29 says, "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I WILL GIVE HIM THE MORNING STAR. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."


I went to
I set the "city" to Jerusalem and the "date" to Oct. 3, 2016, at 15:10:00, changed the color to black on white and hit "Update".
Here is the result printed at the top:
"Sky above 31°46'48"N 35°13'12"E at Mon 2016 Oct 3 15:10 UTC"

Looking at the diagram: the sign in Rev. 12 is perfect on Oct. 3, 2016. Virgo is clothed with the Sun, and the Moon is right under her feet.

Venus is directly under the Moon too. That makes the crescent Moon easy to find.

Saturn is in Ophiuchus, represented as a man (i.e., Christ) grasping the snake (i.e., Satan) that is represented by the constellation Serpens, keeping it from reaching Corona Borealis, the crown. That is perfect too.


I went to the Hebrew Date Converter.
"1st of Tishrei, 5777 = Mon, 3 October 2016"


Oct. 3, 2016 is the Feast of Trumpets, and the Jubilee Year lasts until next Nisan 1, 5777. "1st of Nisan, 5777 = Tue, 28 March 2017"

Mat 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (i.e., Israel); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (i.e., June 5-10, 1967), ye know that summer (June 21) is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."


According to my calculation from Mt. 1:17, a generation is 48.33 years, a ballpark figure.

June 6, 1967 to Oct. 3, 2016 is 18017 days, or 49.37 years.


That will be in the Jubilee Year too. If you were making plans before the world began, wouldn't you put the Rapture in the Jubilee Year?


"June 2, 2016 - according to clocks in North America, our planet Earth will fly between the ringed planet Saturn and the sun, bringing Saturn to what astronomers call opposition. In other words, Saturn is opposite the sun now. This is a big milestone for our year of observing the ringed planet! We go between Saturn and the sun on June 3 at 0700 UTC. For the Americas, that places Saturn's opposition on June 3 at 3 a.m. EDT, 2 a.m. CDT, 1 a.m. MDT and midnight PDT....

"So this is Saturn's special day, its yearly opposition, when Saturn is opposite the sun in Earth's sky. As a consequence, Saturn rises in the east at sunset, climbs highest up for the night at midnight and sets in the west at sunrise. It is visible all night, closest and brightest for this year....

"Saturn will remain a fixture of the evening sky until October 2016.


"Currently, we can find Saturn, Heaven, in the nonzodiacal constellation of Ophiuchus, the Serpent Holder. It has resided there since Nov. 30, 2015, and will remain there until Feb. 23, 2017, when it will briefly cross over into Sagittarius. But as Earth's overtakes Saturn, the planet will appear to swirl backward in a retrograde loop, returning to Ophiuchus, where it will stay until mid-November 2017 - nearly two years after it first arrived....

"Mars will eventually catch up with Saturn on August 24, 2016, to present a conjunction of these two worlds in the August evening sky."

"In mid-October, Saturn will drop progressively closer to the sun and will become increasingly difficult to see, finally fading to invisibility within the ever-brightening evening twilight glow during the first days of November. The sun itself treads through this region of the sky in early December. Saturn will then go unseen until it struggles back into view in the MORNING skies of January of next year."

"Mercury, Venus and Saturn visible in the Nov/Dec morning sky"


By Marilyn Agee

That is when God dug the Moon material out of our Pacific Basin by means of a huge asteroid impact.

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men" (2Pe 3:7).

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."


Gen 1:1,2 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was (hayah, BECAME) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."


Jer 4:23-28 says, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, THERE WAS NO MAN, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and ALL THE CITIES THEREOF WERE BROKEN DOWN at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 FOR THIS SHALL THE EARTH MOURN, AND THE HEAVENS ABOVE BE BLACK: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it."

Amo 5:8 says, "Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day DARK with night: that CALLETH FOR THE WATERS OF THE SEA, AND POURETH THEM OUT UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH: The LORD is his name".


2Pe 3:3-7 says, "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were OF OLD (i.e., BEFORE ADAM), and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS, BEING OVERFLOWED WITH WATER, PERISHED."

Job 26:7-14 says, "He (i.e., the Lord) stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. 8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. 9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it. 10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. 11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. 12 HE DIVIDETH THE SEA WITH HIS POWER, AND BY HIS UNDERSTANDING HE SMITETH THROUGH THE PROUD. 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. 14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?"

Isa_51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split, divided) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?"

In those days before Adam was created, some wicked angels left their own habitation on their planet Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt) and came to Earth. They built several settlements in Turkey. One was Gobekli Tepe, dated about 9000 years ago (before Adam was created about 6000 years ago). They set up huge T-shaped stones weighing several tons there. What for? to record the position of certain stars? They did navigate here from another planet.

When the Lord destroyed their settlements, Gobekli Tepe was buried in sand and dirt.


I have been reading/following your website... When do you think the first rapture might occur? Thank you


The Jubilee Year will end next Nisan 1. Surely the Rapture will be during this Jubilee Year.


Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (i.e., Pope Francis said that God was not divine); and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up just before Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb (i.e., two comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet), and he spake as a dragon."


Jer 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month, in the TENTH DAY of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, 13 And burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire".

Av 10, 5776 will be Sunday, Aug. 14, 2016. That is a possibility. The Bible says the temple was burned on Av 10. The fire was started on Av 9 and continued on Av 10.

Since we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, I think we should be out of here before the literal Temple is built.

Rabbi David Lau, Israel's Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi, said he would like to see the Temple built between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. That is where it was located before. The Pope and Turkey also want the Temple built.


2 Thess 2:1-3 (1599 Geneva Bible) says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him, 2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ (i.e., should be Day of the Lord, as in the Vatican, Alexandrine and Sinaitic codices) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition."

When Michael stands up Mid-Trib, Rev 12:9-12 (KJV) says, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now, this day, i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, salvation, i.e., the Rapture) , and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out), every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev_17:8 (KJV) says, "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (i.e., the son of perdition, the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." Agape


...when is mid-trib? Do you have a date for that? Thank you


If 3-13-13 was the beginning of the Tribulation, Aug. 24, 2016 would be Mid-Trib. That is my mother's birthday...Agape

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Ezekiel's wheels within wheels are the orbits of the first four planets in our solar system. How do we know that they are planets? They are orbiting the Sun. Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." He saw Jesus, the only God/man sitting on his throne on Saturn. In our heavens, which planet is closest to the Sun? Mercury, a terrestrial planet. Which planet is next? Venus, a terrestrial planet. Then comes Earth and Mars, both terrestrial planets. How can we be sure that the wheels represent orbits? Eze 1:15 names the "EARTH" as one of the creatures. It says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold ONE wheel upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces." Notice that ONE wheel is upon the "EARTH", not four. If one wheel is earth's orbit, the other three are the orbits of Mercury, Venus and Mars. They are concentric orbits, "a wheel in the middle of a wheel", as in Eze 1:16. All four wheels have "one likeness" (Eze 1:16). Therefore, they are all four orbits of terrestrial planets. Each planet has an orbit. All four wheels are not on one planet. Eze 10:9 is clear. It says, "ONE WHEEL BY ONE CHERUB, and another wheel by ANOTHER cherub". Taking the fire of the asteroid Wormwood "from between the cherubims" is the same as taking the fire "from between the wheels". Each cherubim has a wheel, an orbit. Eze 10:6 (KJV) says, "Take fire (i.e., Satan's asteroid Wormwood, Rev 8:11) from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels." Verses 6 and 7 in the Septuagint say, "Take fire from between the wheels from between the cherubs, that he went in, and stood near the wheels. 7 And he stretched forth his hand into the midst of the fire that was between the cherubs". Between the wheels is the same as between the cherubim. The WEB says, "And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubim; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels." Mars is the outermost cherubim. That makes sense because Saturn is farther out in space, and Eze 1:26-28 proves that the throne of Jesus is on Saturn, the planet with a rainbow around it. Eze 1:26-28 says, "And ABOVE THE FIRMAMENT (raqiya, expanse of space) THAT WAS OVER THEIR HEADS was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., Jesus, the only God/man) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is the amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about (sabiyb, in a circle around) within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." According to Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, the word sapphire is from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). Saturn is amber, and has a rainbow around it. Joh_14:3 says, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." Joh_17:24 says, "Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world." I am anxious to find out when we will be caught up to Saturn. Agape


> > when is mid-trib? Do you have a date for that? If 3-13-13 was the beginning of the Tribulation, Aug. 24, 2016 would be Mid-Trib. That is my mother's birthday. Long ago, I thought the Rapture would be on Pentecost in 1998. After that date passed, three unusual things that happened in my neighborhood could have been showing me that late August could be the date of the Rapture. I wish I had kept a record of the exact dates. First, a wandering shepherd built a square fenced-in sheepcote in a field we could see from our house. He put his flock of sheep in it that night, then tore it down the next morning and moved on. My son noticed that the sheep ate every blade of grass within the square enclosure. The next day, I was driving to a grocery store. As I turned right, I looked across the intersection and saw the shepherd leading his sheep across a grassy field where there was a small stream of water. We have never seen a shepherd and his sheep anywhere around here before or since that day. Also, wheat had been planted in most of that field, but not where the sheep spent the night. The wheat was harvested around that same time. That field now has houses and a Park on it. Since we are the Lord's sheep, I am wondering if I was being shown the date of the Rapture. All I can remember now is that these things happened in late August. A few days after the sheep left, I was driving down the hill to that same intersection. Facing me, low in the sky, was an open door. It was a perfect rectangle. It looked like a photograph of a real wooden doorway. Outside were black storm clouds, but through the open door, I saw clear blue sky and wispy white clouds. I wonder if that open door represented our Rapture. Another woman told me that she had seen an open door in the sky also, and if I remember right, she was from the eastern US. I am in California. To the angel of the church in Philadelphia, Rev_3:8 says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." Tonight, I went to YourSky, and the sign in Rev. 12 will be perfect on Oct. 3, 2016. The Moon will be under Virgo's feet. Venus will also be in conjunction with the Moon. The Feast of Trumpets will be Oct 2 and 3 this year. I wonder if Oct. 3 could be the date of the Mid-Trib Rapture. Whatever, it seems to be drawing near. The Jubilee Year will end next Nisan 1. The 1st of Nisan, 5777 = Tue, 28 March 2017. I hope we are out of here by then. Agape