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Posted 12-9-16



When you determine the number of days from the New Moon on June 7, 1967 as the beginning point for a '50 year' generation to June 7, 2017 = 18, 263. days

When you determine the number of days from the New Moon on June 7, 1967 as the beginning point to the last New Moon of a 50th 'Jubilee Year' generation on May 25, 2017 = 18, 250. days ( 13 days less than 50 years )

When you determine the number of days from the New Moon on June 7, 1967 as the beginning point to the day of Nisan 10, 2017 which is the 'Day of Palms' on Saturday Sabbath April 7-8, 2017 = 18, 203 days ( 60 days less than 50 years)

Therefore, if the APPOINTED DAY of the rapture is to occur within the LAST 50-year 'Jubilee generation' on the 'Day of Palms' Nisan 10, 2017 the rapture will occur well within the parameters of a LAST 50th 'Jubilee Year' generation.

Matthew 24:34
"Assuredly I say to you, THIS GENERATION , WILL BY NO MEANS, PASS AWAY till all these things take place."

I am "watching" for the APPOINTED DAY of the rapture to occur on Saturday Sabbath Nisan 10, 5777 'Day of Palms' April 7-8, 2017 which seems to be the perfect opportunity for the rapture to happen within a 50-year generation according to the Scriptures.

I may be wrong, but I am not wrong yet.

Come Lord Jesus !


Thanks for giving me your detailed calculations.

I simply figured June 7, 1967 + 50 = June 7, 2017.

Just now, I went to It says, "6th of Sivan, 5777 = Wed, 31 May 2017"

That is my brother's birthday.

Pentecost on the following Sunday would be "10th of Sivan, 5777 = Sun, 4 June 2017"

If Nisan 10 isn't the day of our Rapture, maybe Sivan 10 will be.

Mat 24:37-40 says, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."


Noah entered the Ark on Iyar 17. The windows of heaven were opened that day. Pentecost took place during the 40 days of rain.

Gen 7:9-13 says, "There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark".


Jas 5:7,8 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh."

The early rain comes Tishri 1. The latter rain comes Nisan 1.

Lev 26:4 says, "I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit." Agape

PS: Jer 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest."

Pentecost is the beginning of wheat harvest.


First off, I want to tell you that the Holy Spirit led me to these conclusions, over a period of these past couple of weeks. I have prayed and diligently searched the Bible, but mainly in was a matter of coming up with the right questions, that opened the door to the answers.

For as many years as I have been studying the Bible, there was one question that I never felt I had a complete answer to. Plus, there are so many opinions, well Biblically supported, that I have changed my mind many times on this issue. I firmly believed that the Rapture would be Pre-Wrath while in Bible College, but then when I studied further I came to believe that it was definitely Pre-tribulation. Yet, the way things are going in the world, brought me back to the Pre-wrath position. The only position that did not seem to fit at all was Post-tribulation.

Reading the letters here on Five Doves started me looking at the whole thing again. Especially due to all the posts about who would be going in the Rapture and who would not. And then an amazing thing occurred a few days ago...the Lord told me that all three positions are correct. That kind of blew me away, but, all of a sudden puzzle pieces just started falling into place. I am not writing this to convince anyone else to believe me, but to have peace and understanding in my own heart as to what the TRUTH is.

Please bear with me, as I show how this is the best answer to my years of questions, and one that I am totally comfortable with. It just makes so much sense!!!
I am simplifying this best that I can, but please do your own research and find out for yourself.

Everyone is right, and everyone will go, but it is just a matter of which one a person will go in. THIS IS NOT ABOUT SALVATION, THIS IS ABOUT SANCTIFICATION!!! Every born again Christian will make it into the Kingdom of Heaven; it is just a matter of when!!!


Before we get into that, I want to talk about how there are actually 7 raptures in the Bible, and the last three have to do with the end of days.

The first four raptures in the Bible

The first was Enoch, and this can be found in Genesis 5:24; "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

The second is Elijah, and that can be found in 2 Kings 2:11; "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

The third is Jesus Christ and that can be found in Act 1:9-11; "And when he (Yeshua, Jesus) had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

The fourth is the Old Testament Saints, that ascend with Jesus, and that can be found in Matt 27:52-53; "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."


The fifth is what we would consider the first at the end of days. This would be the Barley harvest.


This fifth, (first) rapture is what the apostle Paul calls a mystery in 1 Cor. 15: 51-54; "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

All those who have died in the faith, while watching and praying and are MATURE CHRISTIANS, and all those alive who are WATCHING AND PRAYING, and are MATURE CHRISTIANS!!! This is the BRIDE OF CHRIST, and they are described in Rev.7:9-17;

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

The Bride of Christ will rule with Him in HEAVEN. They sing a song of Worship of the LAMB.


The sixth rapture, which would be considered the second in the Book of Revelation, is found in Rev.11:12.
"And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

THIS IS THE FIRST FRUITS OF THE WHEAT HARVEST AND IS MID-TRIBULATION. This rapture happens between the sixth and seventh trumpets and the gathering of the TWO WITNESSES, THAT ARE CALLED TO "COME UP HITHER" and the 144,000 sealed in Rev.7. In Rev. 14:1-5 we see they are in heaven, where they sing the song of MOSES AND THE SONG OF THE LAMB. Also see Rev.11:15-19 and


The seventh, which is the third and final rapture, is found in Rev. 12:5; "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."


These are all the Jewish believers that have come to the Lord after being witnessed to by the 144,000 that are already in heaven. The 144,000 are the man-child that is taken to heaven before these new believers are. We see that they are now in heaven in Rev. 15:2
"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."



I know this all may seems strange, but the number 3 has been in my head for months, and it was not until recently that the Lord put it on my heart to search out this possibility. The above post is not extensive and I will study more throughout the Bible in the coming weeks. I could sure use the help of some of you gifted Bible scholars on Five Doves to either help prove it, or blow me out of the water. To me it makes sense and it clearly shows how so many of us could be wondering about who goes and who does not, when in actually Christ wants each and everyone one of His lost sheep, and will go to great lengths to save them all!!!

At the very least, it may get some new and interesting discussions going.

May the Lord bless and keep you all!! Patti C.


> > Patti C (28 Feb 2012)

> > I could sure use the help of some of you gifted Bible scholars on Five Doves to either help prove it, or blow me out of the water.


The first took place when Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven on Firstfruits in 30 AD. It looks like the other two will happen on Pentecost and Tabernacles, because the Israelites were to GO UP TO JERUSALEM those three times in the year.

Exo 23:14-17 says, "Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year. 15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) 16 And the FEAST OF HARVEST (i.e., Pentecost), the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and THE FEAST OF INGATHERING (i.e., Tabernacles) which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. 17 Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD."

Exo 34:22 says, "And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end."

Deu 16:13 says, "Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine".


In 30 AD, Jesus took the Old Testament saints to heaven on Resurrection Day, the Feast of Firstfruits, omer one.

Joh_20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Eph_4:8 says, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."

The dry measure called an omer is one tenth of an ephah, which represents the church in Zec 5:9-11. Therefore, there is a good reason why the omer is counted between Firstfruits and Pentecost.

Lev 23:15-17 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf (Heb. omer) of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. 17 YE SHALL BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD."

Jas_1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."


1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now, this day, i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation)."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation) 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Mal 4:5,6 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."


1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (i.e., probably on Tabernacles): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Job 5:19 says, "He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee."

Joe_1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come."

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Deu 31:10-12 says, "Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, IN THE SOLEMNITY OF THE YEAR OF RELEASE, IN THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. 12 GATHER THE PEOPLE together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law".


The three raptures seem to be on the feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, and Tabernacles.

Deu_16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty". Agape



What DIVIDES the many who are "called" FROM the few who are "chosen" ? THE ANSWER IS: Repentance !

God loves all sinners, and offers them all forgiveness with ONE caveat : They must FIRST REPENT of their sins so they can be FORGIVEN and thus be "chosen"!

God's FORGIVENESS from your sins is a two-way street, NOT a one-way street . You are FIRST required to REPENT YOUR SINS to be FORGIVEN and "chosen"

God's LOVE of all sinners is unconditional, BUT HIS FORGIVENESS is NOT UNCONDITIONAL. Repentance is REQUIRED to be FORGIVEN, and thus "chosen."

BEFORE you can receive FORGIVENESS TO BE SAVED ,from God , who loves you, YOU MUST FIRST REPENT YOUR SINS to thus be part of the "chosen" few.

So, what does it mean to REPENT ? Repent means to 'TURN AWAY' FROM and GIVE UP your SINNING WAYS which are outside the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST according to :

Luke 13:5
"I tell you, but except you REPENT, you shall likewise PERISH."

Luke 16:30
"but if one went unto them FROM THE DEAD, they WILL REPENT."

Acts 3:19
"REPENT ye therefore, and be converted, that YOUR SINS MAY BE BLOTTED OUT, when the appointed TIME COMES of the presence of the Lord."

Acts 26:20
"and then to the Gentiles, that they should REPENT and turn to God, and DO THE WORKS FOR REPENTANCE."

Acts 8:22
"REPENT of thy wickedness, and pray God, that perhaps thee may be FORGIVEN."

Hebrews 12:17
"When he would have inherited the blessing, HE WAS REJECTED, for he found NO REPENTANCE,"

Revelation 3:19
"As MANY AS I LOVE, I rebuke (condemn) and chasten: be zealous therefore, AND REPENT !" ( And thus be forgiven and "chosen")

This is the "Word of the Lord" warning THE WISE TO REPENT who are NOT ABIDING IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST ! The unrepentant will be left-behind.

Come Lord Jesus !


Thanks for putting this together. Agape

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