Pro and Con 20

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> If we had to go through the Tribulation, which will be the worst seven years since Adam
> was put on Earth, we would not be comforted. Since we are going to go through the open
> door before the Tribulation, these words comfort us.

It is not us who are to be comforted--it is the Thessalonians, who, being dead, will rise first to reclaim their bodies at the Second Coming (resurrection of the Last Day) when Christ comes with all His saints--which includes the dead spirits in Christ He brings with Him. In other words, don't leave out 1 Thess 4:14--it is very much a part of the exegesis of this so-called Rapture passage: ". . . Even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."

My reply

I am comforted, even if you are not. Those which sleep in Jesus applies to many more than just the Thessalonians.

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

How did the saints get to Heaven? Answer: At the comings of Christ which are before the Rapture Passage. First an Open Door Return; second a Closed Door Return--then the Second Coming when Christ comes with all His saints

My reply

Would you give me scriptures for your "Open Door Return" and "Closed Door Return" "before the Rapture Passage"?

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> At the time of the end, the first time he comes, Jesus comes in person to choose and take his
> Bride to his father's house at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

There is no such thing as pre-trib--no such thing as pre-night.

My reply

Time will tell.

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> Would you give me scriptures for your "Open Door Return" and "Closed
> Door Return" "before the Rapture Passage"?

For most of the Church the Rapture passage is an assumption that Christ will come at an at-once Rapture. Conversely, Scripture teaches that Christ will come as a Jewish Bridegroom for the prepared of the Church (John 14:1-3). Indeed, that is the exact nonparabolic language that Christ used in speaking of His initial coming (John 14:1-3).

Of course, a Jewish Bridegroom only returns at night to surprisingly fetch his bride--not the daytime--not pre-trib, which is really pre-night. Thus Christ quoted the four Roman watches of the night and equated them to that period of time of His coming--watch therefore, for you know not when the Son of man cometh--you pre-tribbers, you know not. You midtribbers--you know not. You post-tribbers--you know not. You PreWrather's--you know not. Or better yet, Christ was saying to the Church--YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. Thus, watch, and watch in the coming night. Watch in Daniel's seventieth week, the preceeding night segment of teh Lord's day.

Well Marilyn, you don't believe any of this, but come June 1st of 1998--I think you you'll believe!

My reply

> Scripture teaches that Christ will
> come as a Jewish Bridegroom for the prepared of the Church (John 14:1-3).

Jesus will come as a bridegroom for the wise virgins (probably at night), but John 14:1-3 does not mention an "Open Door Return," a "Closed Door Return," that he is coming as a bridegroom, or that he is coming at night.

It says, "LET not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

According to this, he could come any time. It is just a promise that he will return for us. What does suggest the bridegroom is that he is preparing a place in his Father's house. It is not proof of an "Open Door Return," or a "Closed Door Return."

> Of course, a Jewish Bridegroom only returns at night to surprisingly fetch
> his bride--not the daytime--not pre-trib, which is really pre-night.

Each Jewish 24-hour day begins with night. Every single date on the calendar has first twelve hours of night and then twelve hours of day. In John 11:9, Jesus said, "Are there not twelve hours in the day?" Therefore, Jesus can return for his Bride in the night portion of any date on the calendar, Pre-Trib or not. He is most likely to come on the feast that belongs to the Church--Pentecost.

> watch in the coming night. Watch in Daniel's seventieth week, the
> preceeding night segment of teh Lord's day.

The Preview of the Pre-Trib Rapture on the Lord's day of Rev. 1:10 takes place before the Tribulation. The Tribulation takes place after the actual "Come up hither" of Rev. 4:1. The Tribulation does not start until Rev. 6:1, when the first seal is opened.

The seven-year Tribulation is not a proper-sized night portion for the millennial Day of the Lord. It is not even a proper-sized night portion for the first day of the Millennium. That night is to last twelve hours, not seven years. Jewish nights and days are equal in length.

In John 9:4, Jesus said, "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work." This does not even fit the seven-year Tribulation. There will be work done during the Tribulation. For instance, Moses and Elijah will prophesy. The 144,000 and another great multitude which no man can number will be saved. Therefore someone will be preaching. Work is evident in Rev. 6:5, for we hear, "A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny."

When is the night in which no man can work? I think it is the literal 12-hour night after the sixth seal is broken the last day of this age.

Rev. 6:12f says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo. there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (this is the Sign of the Son of Man), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come (6:00 P.M., Tishri 1, 5768); and who shall be able to stand?"

Right after this, in Rev. 7, we see the 144,000 and a great multitude in Heaven. They are taken up in the second Rapture just before the seven trumpet judgments begin to hit Earth on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium in Rev. 8. As the second trumpet sounds, "a great mountain burning with fire" fall into the Mediterranean Sea. It hits at noon and stops the army of Gog. As the third trumpet sounds, "a great star ('aster')" falls from heaven, burning as it were a lamp. It hits while the False Prophet is eating (i.e., noon) and destroys Babylon on the Euphrates River.

This is the day Joel 2:1,2 is talking about: "BLOW ye the trumpet (it is the Feast of Trumpets) in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it."

As I see it, you still have not given me any scriptures for your "Open Door Return" and "Closed Door Return" "before the Rapture Passage." How can I believe what you are saying without Scripture to back it up?

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> The two Raptures are ten years apart. The first Rapture is, I think, in
> the Jewish 5758, the second in 5768.

Your problem is Marilyn is that there is not two LAST DAYS (John 6:40) wherein the resurrection of the just shall occur. There is only one!

My reply

John 6:39,40 says, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it (the Body of Christ) up AGAIN (the second Rapture) at the last day (i.e., at the last trump). And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him (every one who believes, whether he earned other rewards or not) up at the last day."

There are not two last days, but there is a first day and a last day, a first trump and a last trump, a first Rapture and a last Rapture. At the first trump, the Bride of Christ is taken up, and the Laodicean foolish virgins are left behind. In the end, it cannot be that any believer is lost. Therefore, on the last day, the remainder of the Body of Christ is raised up.

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> This Lord's day takes place before the millennial Day of the Lord even
> begins. The Millennium does not begin until after Elijah appears in the
> Tribulation. Mal. 4:5 says, "I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE
> the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."

Consider, Long after The Day arrives as a thief, cosmic signs will signal the coming manifested wrath of That Day. For within the Lord's Day, immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon will not give its light (Matt. 24:29). And, it is by these finite signs that Christ will warn the world of His impending climax of wrath on the Lord's Day. Joel wrote, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come" (Joel 2:31). In like fashion, Luke penned, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:20-21).

The "great and notable day" (Greek: conspicuous; or that part which is readily seen.) is the great and obvious part of That Day, being the great and terrible part of the Day of the Lord. Or God's wrath fully manifested in That Day, but not the beginning of the Day itself. So, contrary to the idea that the Lord's Day can only begin after the display of universal cosmic signs deep in the Tribulation, the actual commencement of That Day will take place well before the opening of the Sixth Seal (Rev. 6:12), overtaking the world "unawares." This we know perfectly, because the Lord's Day is not just the Day of God's manifested wrath, but also the Day of our Redemption (Eph. 4:30).

So then, Elijah will come before the great notable part of that day--not necesarilly before That Day! Again, there are not two days of Christ--and then the Day of the Lord, for this thinking of three events is error. Supportively, the Lord's Day will come upon the World unawares--and there will not be "two" unawares (Amos 5:18-19; Luke 12:34-36)!

My reply

> So then, Elijah will come before the great notable part of that day--not
> necesarilly before That Day!

I can hardly believe that you would say this when Scripture clearly says otherwise. Malachi 4:5 says, "Behold (i.e., this is important), I will send you Elijah, the prophet BEFORE the COMING of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."

Amos 5:18-21 says nothing about being unaware. It says, "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies."

This Feast of Trumpets is the day of thick darkness because of the asteroid impacts.

Luke 12:34-39 says, "For where your treasure is (in Heaven, verse 33), there will your heart be also. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning (this is the foolish virgin's last chance); And ye yourselves like (figurative language) unto men that wait for their lord, when he will RETURN FROM THE WEDDING (it just took place in Heaven); that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately (see Rev. 3:20). Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them (the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, soon to come in Heaven)....And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief (he comes as a thief before Armageddon, Rev. 16:15,16) would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through."

A parallel to this is Rev. 14:14-16: "I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man. having on his head a golden crown (this is Coronation Day) and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped." This is the Second Rapture. It comes just before the Wrath of God is poured out on Earth.

This passage goes on to tell us about the Wrath of God that follows the Second Rapture: ""And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which has power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe (it is the vintage, the Feast of Trumpets). And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God."
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Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> Jesus will come as a bridegroom for the wise virgins (probably at
> night), but John 14:1-3 does not mention an "Open Door Return," a
> "Closed Door Return," that he is coming as a bridegroom, or that he is
> coming at night.

> It says, "LET not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe
> also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I
> would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and
> prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
> that where I am, there ye may be also."

If you knew anything about a Jewish Wedding your comments wouldn't be necessary.

My reply

In a previous email you said:
> Show me then in the Scripture where a bridegroom comes making a shout--making trumpet sounds.
Now you say,
> If you knew anything about a Jewish Wedding your comments wouldn't be necessary.
Is the following enough information about a Jewish Wedding? I have this stored in my Download Folder.

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The Jewish Wedding.

When studying the scriptures it becomes apparent that the relationship between Yeshua and the church is no where better described than in the Jewish Wedding customs. The Lord gave us these things so that we could understand His nature and His plan for us. Yeshua Himself made several references to the church being like a Bride, waiting for the Bridegroom. Lets take a look:

The marriage consists of two parts, the Betrothal and the Wedding service. The betrothal equates to the engagement in most ways except that in the ancient Jewish custom, it was so binding that it could not be broken without a formal divorce. You were considered bonded together from the time you entered the betrothal contract. When Joseph discovered that his betrothed wife Mary was pregnant, he had grounds to obtain a divorce and would have had the Angel not appeared to him and explained to Joseph that it was the hand of God that was upon her.

The whole marriage custom is laid out in 12 steps.

1. The Bridegroom's father chooses the Bride. He sends a friend or a trusted servant to meet with the parents of the prospective Bride and make the arrangement. The Bride may not have any idea of what this fellow who she is to spend her life with even looks like.

This agent can be seen as a picture of the Holy Spirit who touches our hearts and calls us to enter into marriage with Yeshua.

JN 6:43 "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. [44] "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

I Peter 1:8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,

2. A price was established for the bride, and was usually something of value. Land, cattle, gold or silver. In our case the highest price ever was paid, the precious blood of Yeshua.

I peter 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, [19] but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

3. The Betrothal ceremony. This was like an engagement party. The commitment was made and was binding. The couple do not live together at this time.

4. A written marriage contract is drawn up and in it the Bride is promised that she will be cared for and provided for in every way. It states that all her needs will be met by the Bridegroom. This contract is signed before two witnesses and given to the Bride. Our Bible is this very document, and over and over the Lord states His love for us and His promise to provide all our needs.

Phil.4:19 And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

5. The Bride had to give consent to the marriage. It is by our free will that we enter this agreement. Whether we are the saints from old looking forward to this event from the days of Solomon or modern day people who look back to His offer, we must accept Him and confess it with our mouth.

6. A cup of the Covenant was shared between the two betrothed and gifts were given to the bride. Every time we share in the cup of communion we re-affirm this marriage covenant with Yeshua.

JER 31:31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

JER 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to* them,* " declares the LORD.

JER 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

JER 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

MT 26:27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. [28] This is my blood of the* covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. [29] I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."

Yeshua also gave us gifts. The Holy Spirit, the gifts of the spirit, peace, joy, prophecy, gifts of knowledge, eternal life, and righteousness just to name a few. If you have an interest read the article: New Covenant at this site.

7. The bride went through a ritual washing by immersion to symbolize her turning away from all the former things and beginning a new life with her beloved. We are given water baptism for the cleansing of our old ways and to prepare us for our Lord. When the Hebrews left Egypt and prepared to enter into a covenant with God the whole congregation had to be cleansed with water and set apart before they could meet there Lord. We must do the same. ( I don't want to get into discussions about how much water you need to truly be baptized.)

8. At this point the Bridegroom would depart and go back to his fathers house to prepare a place for the wedding and the new Bride. My understanding is that a pledge is made by the Bridegroom to assure the Bride that he will indeed return for her.

JN 14:1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God*; trust also in me. [2] In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

These words above I am told are the very words spoken in this Jewish Wedding tradition.

9. Now comes the hard part. The time of waiting. The Bride would prepare herself, make all the preparations and wait for the Bridegroom. I know how anxious she is! She doesn't know when he will come for her, it is a time known only by the father. When he sees that all the preparations for the wedding and the feast have been made to his satisfaction then he will allow the son to go and get his bride and bring her to the new abode.

MT 25:1 "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. [2] Five of them were foolish and five were wise. [3] The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. [4] The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. [5] The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

MT 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,* but only the Father.

10. When the Bridegroom comes to get the Bride, it is more of an abduction. It might even be in the middle of the night. The groom and his friends would sneak up on the bride and suddenly the shout!, a call, and the sound of the Shofar, the Trumpet.
She must be ready to run to her beloved and leave with his with no hesitation.

MT 25:6 "At midnight the cry rang out: `Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

It is interesting and certainly worth noting that one of the names for the Feast of Rosh HaShannah is "The wedding day of Messiah" This whole feast is a picture of the Lord coming for His bride before the day of Judgment. I guess the thing we don't know is, How long before!

11. The Bridegroom takes her away to the place that he has prepared and the Marriage is consummated. Now the new couple will spend 7 days together in the wedding closet. This is the honeymoon. The new couple will now become one flesh. They will get to know each other like never before.

I Cor.13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

12. And now it is time for the Wedding Feast to begin. Our Wedding feast will be in the place that Yeshua is preparing for us now. At the end of the 7 days, Yeshua will be crowned King and we shall be His Queen to rule and reign with him forever. Isn't this enough to make you want to shout.

REV 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

REV 19:8 Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear."

(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)

REV 19:9 Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God."

An invitation is being sent today to all to become part of the Bride.

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by Charles Ryalls
Yeshua Ha Machiach Page
http://www.az.com/~cryalls/wed.html

Please pay particular attention to #10. There is both a SHOUT and a TRUMPET. Here is that part again for easy reference:

"10. When the Bridegroom comes to get the Bride, it is more of an abduction. It might even be in the middle of the night. The groom and his friends would sneak up on the bride and suddenly the shout!, a call, and the sound of the Shofar, the Trumpet.
She must be ready to run to her beloved and leave with his with no hesitation.

MT 25:6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'"

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> << 10. When the Bridegroom comes to get the Bride, it is more of an abduction.
> It might even be in the middle of the night. The groom and his friends would
> sneak up on the bride and suddenly the shout!, a call, and the sound of the
> Shofar, the Trumpet.
> She must be ready to run to her beloved and leave with
> his with no hesitation.>>

I need a reference for this!

My reply

From information sent to me by Yvonne Stubbs:

The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins shows the Jewish wedding custom. Matthew was particularly written to the Jewish people who will not expect Him. In Mt. 25:6, we find that "at midnight a CRY WAS HEARD: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'"

The Jewish Bride was without knowledge of the day or hour, so...he shouted to awaken her and her maids to come out and go with him. He came at midnight, according to many reports of the hour the bridegroom usually came.

My reply

Here is the answer I received from Charles Ryalls:

"The information on the traditional Jewish wedding comes from several sources. The one that comes quickly to mind is "The Seven Festivals of Messiah" By Ed Chumney Page 124

"The time of the return of the bridegroom was usually at midnight. When the bridegroom did come, he came with a shout( Matt.26:6) and with the blowing of the shofar (trumpet) (1 Thes 4:16,17; Rev 4:1). The marriage between the bride and groom will take place under the Chupah or wedding canopy. Since heaven is a type of chupah, we can see that when Yeshua gives a shout for His bride, accompanied by the blowing of the Shofar, the marriage between Yeshua and His bride will take place in heaven

"It can also be observed that when God gave the law to Moses, That the cloud of God glory covered the people as a Chupah and the Law that was given, the covenant, was in essence a wedding contract between God and Israel. Thats why the Prophet Hosea was later told to take a wife from Harlotry, and to marry her and be faithful to her as a display of how God had honored the wedding contract and how Israel had been unfaithful.

"Has anyone ever considered the Glorious angel who stand for Gods people who is so instrumental in Gods end times events, the shout and the blowing of the Shofar, could be Christ Himself. Read the revelation carefully where this Angel is discribed and see if any of the attributes can be applied to anyone but Jesus!

"Hope this is helpfull.
Charles Ryalls"

Jim Bramlett said:
I defer to Charles on this, but I have also heard that a shout accompanies a Jewish bridegroom. My source was authoritative and may have been Zola Levitt, but I am not sure.

Jim

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> John 6:39,40 says, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
> that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should
> raise it (the Body of Christ) up AGAIN (the second Rapture) at the last
> day (i.e., at the last trump). And this is the will of him that sent me,
> that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have
> everlasting life: and I will raise him (every one who believes, whether
> he earned other rewards or not) up at the last day."

So then, at the first trump (the first Rapture) there won't be a resurrection?

I need an answer to this!

My reply

Yes, there is a resurrection at the first Rapture.

There are different ranks in the resurrection. First Cor. 15:23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive, But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank, a series or succession)."

At the first trump, the dead who deserve to be in the wise virgin group will be resurrected. They don't lose what they have earned just because they die before the first trump sounds. First Thess. 4:16 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first."

There is also a resurrection at the second Rapture.

First Cor. 15:52, says, "at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised."

And "at that time (the time of Jacob's trouble, the first day of the Millennium) thy people (the Israelites) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book (including the 144,000). And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" (Dan. 12:1,2).

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

How about the foolish Ephesus? The foolish at Pergamos? The foolish atThyatira? The foolish of Sardis? Just curious!

My reply

Ephesus when the first Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3;22:10):
"These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks" (Rev. 2:1). This is Jesus as we just saw him in Heaven in the Preview of the Rapture (Rev. 1:13-18).

To the foolish of Ephesus, Jesus says, "repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place (Heaven), except thou repent" (2:5). They have one last chance before he comes quickly in Rev. 4:1.

Smyrna when the first Rapture is "at hand:"
The "devil shall (after the first Rapture) cast some of you (some of the foolish) into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days (ten time periods, i.e., ten years, 5758 to 5768)" (Rev. 2:10).

Pergamos when the first Rapture is "at hand:"
"These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges (this sword will cut off the foolish at the time of the first Rapture)" (2:12).

To the foolish, he said, "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them (those that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitaines) with the sword of my mouth" (2:16).

Thyatira when the first Rapture is "at hand:"
"These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass" (2:18).

"I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (join together), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols" (2:20).

"I will cast her into a bed, and them (the foolish) that commit adultery (join together) with her into great tribulation (the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation), except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death" (2:22,23).

Sardis when the first Rapture is "at hand:"
"These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars" (3:1).

"Be watchful...If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee (the foolish) as a thief (at the second Rapture, just before Armageddon, Rev. 16:15,16), and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (3:2,3).

Philadelphia when the first Rapture is "at hand:"
"These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (3:7).

No message to the foolish here. Jesus says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door...Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (trial, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown" (3:8-11).

Laodicea when the first Rapture is "at hand:"
"These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness" (3:14).

To the foolish, he says, "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (3:16).

In Rev. 4:1, to the overcomers of all seven groups, Jesus says, "Come up hither" and "behold, a throne was set in heaven." The foolish virgins are cut off now, but will be taken to Heaven at the second Rapture just before the wrath of God falls on the Feast of Trumpets in 5768.

However, those that are overcomers the first time are the Bride of Christ. Those that are taken to Heaven in the second Rapture are the remainder of the Body of Christ.

The first Rapture is as the days of Noah (Luke 17:26,27). All on board the Ark were married. Even the animals went in two by two.

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot (Luke 17:28,29). His wife failed to make it, and fire fell that same day.

This Rapture takes place before the Tribulation starts in Rev. 6.1.

Incoming Email, Re: Raptures

> BEFORE the COMING of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."

The great dreadful Day of the Lord is the great and dreadful part of the Lord's Day--not the part wherein the Day itself comes upon the world unawares. For then, there is nothing great and dreadful about it--for it commences in very normal times--coming upon the world unawares!

My reply

The very FIRST day of the millennial Day of the Lord is terribly dreadful. It is the day of the terror of terrors.

Isaiah 13:6-13 says, "Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is AT HAND (this moment is still the last day of this age, Elul 29, the sixth trumpet has sounded); it (the Day of the Lord, Tishri 1, 5768) SHALL COME (at 6:00 P.M.) AS A DESTRUCTION from the Almighty...Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible...Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger."

On this day, all seven trumpet judgments hit Earth.

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee


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