Pro and Con 202, Updated 10-26-98, PM

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From Finland: Found a view very similar to yours. No wonder it is included in your links. The drawing is here:
http://www.ldolphin.org/eschat.html
...just found an interesting article on pentecost. Especially the part about sounds and torches was new to me.
http://www.ldolphin.org/pentecost.html

My reply

Thanks for the URLs. I DL the chart and saved Uri Marcus's article on Pentecost and will read it carefully later.

I only scanned it because I got an email that Jean Kincaid, Ada, Oklahoma, USA, of the Virtual Church Web site, needs our prayers. She has had a mild myocardial infarction (heart attack) and is facing possible angioplasty. That sounds like my husband, Ed, nearly three months ago. His angiogram showed too much damage to even attempt angioplasty. He had to have 5 bypasses in open heart surgery.

Father, I pray for healing for Jean Kincaid. I pray that she will be able to stay healthy until the Rapture, whatever procedures she needs at the present time to enable her to be able to participate in that wonderful event. Please guide the hands and minds of her doctors, and may your perfect will be done. In Jesus' name, Amen.

There is risk in these things, but they are lifesaving when performed successfully. Here is part of the email she sent me:

"Dear Marilyn, Looks as if I had a mild MI and now am on sick leave for around 9 weeks....A cardiac cath and probably angioplasty are scheduled on Nov. 6. Please be praying for the Lord's perfect will. At least now I'll have more time to prepare those sermons since I had been getting overwhelmed with time demands.

"Thanks for your prayers. God bless you and all of your family. Jean"

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Re: More on the Menorah - Josephus
[RE: P&C 199. If you "backup" one chapter from Ant. Book 3-VII.7 to 3-VI.7 we find the following]

Over against this table, near the southern wall, was set a candlestick of cast gold, hollow within, being of the weight of one hundred pounds, which the Hebrews call Chincharcs; if it be turned into the Greek language, it denotes a talent. It was made with its knops, and lilies, and pomegranates, and bowls (which ornaments amounted to seventy in all); by which means the shaft elevated itself on high from a single base, and spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them. It terminated in seven heads, in one row, all standing parallel to one another; and these branches carried seven lamps, one by one, in imitation of the number of the planets. These lamps looked to the east and to the south, the candlestick being situate obliquely.

My reply

I hope you realize how very much I appreciate your sending this to me. As you know, I have no time to go searching.

This lineup of planets puts the Earth in the center. That is a surprise, but it makes very good sense. The lineup would be Sun, Mercury, Venus, EARTH, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. It is a true representation. From our point of view, if we look toward the Sun, we see first Venus, then Mercury, then the Sun. If we look away from the Sun, we see first Mars, then Jupiter, then Saturn. It makes it super easy to count "the third heaven" (2 Cor. 12:2)--Mars, Jupiter, Saturn.

The ten curtains of the Tabernacle would then represent the original ten planets, including Rahab, but the candlestick would represent the VISIBLE heavens as they are now that Rahab has been split apart to form the Asteroid Belt.

In Gen. 3:24, we find that the Lord "drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of (to) the tree of life." This Garden of Eden is the earthly one. The way to the heavenly Tree of Life is toward the east as Saturn rises. Refer to the candlestick now. East of Earth are two Cherubim (planets), Mars and Jupiter, before you come to the abode of the Tree of Life of Rev. 22:2, Saturn. Between Mars and Jupiter is the Asteroid Belt, the source of the FLAMING SWORD that will strike Earth to save Israel and do away with most of the wicked as the millennial Day of the Lord begins (Rev. 8:8,10).

It is the Feast of Trumpets. A prototype in Ju. 7:18,20 says, "When I (Gideon) blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, THE SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon....And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, THE SWORD OF THE LORD, and of Gideon." In Isa. 34:5-10 says, "my SWORD shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea (which means red, earthy), and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. THE SWORD OF THE LORD...For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever."

I watched TV today (Cheshvan 3, 5759, our Oct. 23, 1998) as Arafat and Netanyahu signed the "WYE RIVER MEMORANDUM" interim peace agreement. Just another step along the way.

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Shalom M.J. Agee. Have you ever considered the festival of Rosh HaShannah as the time when the Lord would return for his Bride?

I am a messianic beleiver in Yeshua and this festival deals with the opening of the gates, the crowning of the King ect.

Shavuot or Pentecost is the receiving of the Torah / Law.
The betrothal = engagment
Rosh HaShannah = wedding

Thank you for your search the truth

My reply

Yes, I have considered Rosh HaShannah. I agree with you that Shavuot = the betrothal and Rosh HaShannah = the wedding.

I do think the Rapture of the Tribulation saints is on Rosh HaShannah, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). However, I think the Rapture of the Bride of Christ is on Pentecost, probably in 5759. On Pentecost, the Church was born into this world, and many things happened to Israel for types (I Cor. 10:11). It would be very like God to cause the Church to be born into another new world on Pentecost. It is the only Feast that belongs particularly to the Church. We are the wheat (Mt. 13:30), and Shavuot is the beginning of the wheat harvest.

I don't think that the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture is the day of the Marriage of the Lamb. I believe Rapture I is the betrothal day. On that day "thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt VISIT THY HABITATION, and shalt not sin" (Job 5:24).

Coronation Day for the King of kings and Lord of lords is, I think, Rosh HaShannah, 5768. The Marriage of the Lamb follows the Coronation ceremony. Next, on that day comes the Judgment Seat of Christ, so the Tribulation saints are caught up to Heaven to receive their rewards along with the Bride of Christ. They are also invited to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb later on that same day.

Rev. 11:15-18 says of that day, there were great voices IN HEAVEN, saying, The kingdoms of this world are (on Tishri 1, 5768) become the kingdoms of our Lord (YHVH), and of his Christ (HaMashiach); and he (YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6, Yahwehshua, Yahshua, Y'shua, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus) shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders (representing all the Bride of Christ), which sat before God on their seats (thrones), fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (the Second Advent is still 7 months future, Ezek. 39:12); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Ezek. 38), and thy wrath is come (the seven trumpet judgments), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

That day is like no other day--ever. Joel 2:1,2 shows what happens on Earth: "BLOW ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Ezek. 38); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations." On that day the Lord will fight for Israel.

The "great mountain burning with fire" of Rev. 8:8 will be cast into the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). This piece of an asteroid will decimate the united nations army that is attacking Israel that day. This act causes the fury to come up in the Lord's face, and before the shaking is done, not only the fish of the sea, but the whole world shakes (Ezek. 38:20). Only 1/6th of the invading army is left (Ezek. 39:2).

The year 5768 is a leap year. Therefore there are seven Jewish months (Ezek. 39:12) from Tishri 1 (Coronation Day in Heaven) to Nisan 1 (the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year). Yeshua will officially take office on Earth on the same day that all the other Israelite kings officially took office, Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21). It is the Regnal Year because he is King of kings, the Sacred Year because he is Lord of lords.

Shalom and the blessings of our wonderful Lord, Yeshua HaMashiach

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FROM CAPS..RE GREEN FIGS...
The account of Jesus "cursing " the fig tree is interesting. It is given in Mark 11:12-14. Vs. 13 says" ..And seeing ...a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs." Please note that this is only 2-3 days before the date of Nisan 14-15 the time of the Passover and crucifixion. Were there suppose to be figs on this tree? For sure the normal time for figs was later..."for it was not the season of figs.."

The New Bible Commentary on pg. 875 has some valuable information re this matter. It says, "The probable explanation of this is that the fig tree in Israel bears an EARLY crop of immature fruit, LIKE GREEN KNOBS, which appear before the leaves. These are known as "taksh" and are the common food for the "fellahin" or peasants.At this time of the season--Passover-- the tree had leaves on it ,so it should have also had the GREEN figs."

The International Std. Bible Encyl. says " in the fig tree the fruit appears at the same time as the leaves.."

What I find so interesting is the fact that the subject under consideration is GREEN FIGS. Why? Because that is the exact timing indicator(actually, one of 7 in ch. 2) mentioned in Song of Sol. ch 2:13 .."the fig tree puts forth its GREEN figs.."The Hebrew text does have the word "GREEN " in the original, so the KJV version is the most accurate for this verse. Note it is not the time of the "regular figs" but the time when the GREEN FIGS are "put forth".THIS IS AT THE TIME OF THE PASSOVER----GREEN FIGS. It is when this particular time indicator FIRST is in effect. Again, I say we should look at When the timing indicators are FIRST mentioned if Song of Sol. ch. 2 is relevant to the Timing of the Rapture. We now know that the Turtledoves for sure First appear in Israel in the month of April, which usually corresponds to Nisan. Also Winter is "just over" and the "rains are over" as well. As mentioned earlier the "vines are in blosom" i.e. only just starting to flower. THE BARLEY HARVEST had just started on the Feast of Firstfruitrs--Nisan 17(see Deut. 16 :9 ...which IS when the "sickle was FIRST put to the grain.." In conclusion isn't it interesting that one of the specific signs of Song of Sol. is clarified as to when it occurs hundreds of years later in the account of Jesus re the "cursing" of the fig tree---which was clearly only one or two days before the Pasover ! More to come shortly on events associated with Nisan 17. Thanks

Added 10-25-98, AM: The incoming email immediately below was added 10-26-98, PM. It was omitted by mistake.

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FROM CAPS......RE EVENTS THAT HISTORICALLY HAPPENED ON NISAN 17--THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
In the year of the crucifixion Jesus was killed on Nisan 14. He was raised from the dead on Nisan 17. My purpose is not to debate these dates but to present information that starts to "paint a picture" about Nisan 17--the Day of Jesus' Resurrection. The following infor. would however tend to confirm the above dating of Nisan 14 and Nisan 17.

1.NOAH'S ARK RESTED ON MOUNT ARARAT--Notice the keyword--"RESTED".
Gen. 8:4 indicates it was on the"7th month , on the 17th day of the month, the ark came to REST on the mountains of Ararat." Remember at this point in the scriptures the months were starting at Tishri. Nisan was not to be used for the starting of months until the time of the Passover. So, the 7th month from Tishri would be Nisan --17. This then becomes the first "picture" from the scriptures of the significance of Nisan 17. ON this day Noah KNEW that they were "saved"--when the ark TOUCHED solid ground.

2.ISRAEL MIRACULOUSLY CROSSED OVER THE RED SEA.
Exodus 12-14 and Number ch. 33 indicate that it was on Nisan 17 that Israel crossed over the Red sea and WAS DELIVERED. According to the chronology this happened on Nisan 17--three days after leaving Egypt. They KNEW they were dlivered when they SAW the Egyptians floating in the water.I want you to open your "spiritual ears" and read the 15th chapter of Exodus. It talks about ..."the people SANG this SONG to the Lord.....I will SING to the Lord....vs1-2...............Now notice especially Ex. 15:13" YOU HAVE LED IN YOUR STEADFAST LOVE THE PEOPLE WHOM YOU HAVE REDEEMED, YOU HAVE GUIDED THEM BY YOUR STRENGTH TO YOU HOLY HABITATION..."Does that not sound like the SONG OF THE REDEEMED after the RAPTURE in Rev. 5:9 "...AND THEY SANG A NEW SONG, SAYING....you have by your blood REDEEMED men for God out of every nation....." This happened on Nisan 17. Does this typology fit or what ? Is this the "time of singing " mentioned in Song of Sol. 2:12" THE TIME OF SINGING HAS COME" I MUST say this . As I type this the annointing is all over me. If this does not "prime your pump, then the well has gone dry !!" Don't you KNOW that those Israelites KNEW they were delivered !!!! Don't you KNOW that we who are raptured WILL KNOW we have been DELIVERED !! Why would the Israelites sing Ex. 15:13 about being 'GUIDED BY YOUR STRENGTH TO YOUR HOLY HABITATION ?" They were still in the desert ! I will tell you why. Because it was a SONG OF PROPHECY. Remember Miriam was a Prophetess, see ex 15 :20--21 "then Miriam the prophetess SANG to them.." I believe the words of the song applied to those who were delivered then and who will be delivered AT THE RAPTURE. Truly, we then can SING that we HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO HIS HOLY HABITATION!

3.ISRAEL EATS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THE PROMISED LAND.
Please see Joshua 5:10-12.."The children of Israel kept the Passover on the 14th day of the month...And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the Passover(THIS IS THE 15TH OF NISAN).....And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn(THIS IS THE 16TH OF NISAN)...neither had they manna any more; but did eat of the fruit of Canaan that year.." Question? When did they START eating the fruit of the land? Answer--ON THE 17TH DAY OF NISAN !! Note that the manna ceased on the 16th day. The day following was the 17th day of Nisan, the Feast of Firstfruits, and with no more manna to eat, the people BEGAN to eat the fruit of Canaan that year. Would this not picture the end of the Church's "wandering" in the wilderness of this present evil world and entering Heaven ?? We are currently "feeding" on the "hidden manna" -Jesus.The typology sems to fit. The picture continues to be painted by the scriptures of Nisan 17--the Feast of Firstfruits.

4. THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST
As indicated above, this is the most significant event to ever take place on Nisan 17

5.THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH ?????
I cannot say for sure. Nobody can say for sure. Jesus was .He is "the firstfruits"..we are "IN HIM" The typology seems to fit.

6. IN THE BOOK OF ESTHER WE SEE THE ENTIRE NATION OF ISRAEL BEING SNATCHED AT THE LAST MOMENT FROM WHAT WAS CERTAIN ANNIHILATION ON GOD'S SPECIAL DAY OF NISAN 17.

In fact, Haman was hanged on his own gallows that very day. A similar deliverence that happened at the Red Sea. You can read the following scriptures very carefully to prove this: See Esther chs. 3-7 especially 3:7,12...4:16...5:1,14...6:1,14 and 7:1,2,10. These show Nisan 17 as the day of national RESCUE. God Bless your understanding of His word. CAPS P.S. One final word. The Jews traditionally read different books of the Bible on different feast days. Guess what book they read at the time of the Passover ??That's right..THE SONG OF SOLOMON. Guess what day of the Passover "season" it is read on? That's right ..NISAN 17.

My reply

What would it do to your figuring if Resurrection Day was Nisan 16 instead of 17? In what year do you think the Crucifixion took place? I think it was on Thursday, Nisan 13 in 30 AD, 40 years before the temple was burned. Ezek. 4:6 says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."

The Crucifixion was "NOT ON THE FEAST DAY" (Mk. 14:2), Nisan 14. "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER" (Jn. 19:14), Nisan 13. I think the Resurrection was three days later, on Sunday, Nisan 16.

I believe that the Preparation of the Passover was Thursday, Nisan 13, the Passover on Nisan 14, the Feast of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15, and the Feast of Firstfruits on Sunday, Nisan 16.

I think the temple was begun in BC 20/19, and the 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry was in 27 AD, when the temple had been 46 years in building. The last of the four Passovers was in 30 AD. I believe that Jesus was born in BC 5, that the wise men came to see him in BC 3, that Herod died in BC 1, that Tiberius began to to rule as Co-Rex in 12 AD, that he was ruler over Palestine from that time on, that his 15th year was 26 AD, the year Jesus was baptized. I think Jesus was Crucified on Nisan 13, April 6, 30 AD and will return on Nisan 1, April 6, 2008 AD.

I know you don't really want to go over this at this time, but I had to tell you what I think in case that makes a difference in your calculations. It is interesting that Song of Solomon is read on Nisan 17. However, the Jews keep Nisan 15 as Passover when the Bible says it was on Nisan 14 too.

I do think that since the Old Testament saints were taken to Heaven on Resurrection Day, that we should take a good look at Resurrection Day, Ascension Day and Pentecost as possibilities for the Rapture. In 1999, Nisan 16 is Apr. 2, but the first day of the week is Nisan 18, April 4. Ascension Day is counted from Sunday, so would fall on 27 Iyar, Thursday, May 13. Pentecost, Sivan 6, is May 21, or, counted from Sunday, Nisan 18, is May 23. Let's just be ready whenever it is. We are on the home stretch, any way you look at it.

Jesus came back from Heaven on Resurrection Day, did not come back on Ascension Day, and sent his Holy Spirit back to indwell the Church on Pentecost. He went to Heaven on Resurrection Day and on Ascension Day. We are told to look for his coming. This could give Resurrection Day and Pentecost an edge.

He did not emphasize his trip to Heaven and back on Resurrection Day, but he emphasized the descent of the Spirit of Christ on Pentecost a lot. Among other things, he marked it with the speaking in tongues phenomenon. This will happen again after his Second Advent.

Joel 2:27,28 says, "And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh."

Resurrection Day and Ascension Day were before the birth of the Church. They seem to belong more to the time of the First Advent. Although the Ten Commandments were given at Pentecost, that DATE was not emphasized. The event was, but the date has to be dug out with some work.

I just got a thought. Both the 40 days to Ascension Day and the 50 days to Pentecost are counted from the Feast of Firstfruits. Christ is the Firstfruit. I Cor. 15:23 says, "But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD they that are Christ's at his coming." "AFTERWARD" does not sound much like the Raptures would be on the Feast of Firstfruits.

Do the 40 and 50 days counted from Firstfruits represent years to the two Raptures? If you start with the Sign of the End of the Age in 1967 and add 40 years, you come to 2007, the time, I think, of the second Rapture. The final year would start in 2007 and end in 2008, so that year would include the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5768 (our April 6, 2008).

If you start with 1948, when Israel became a nation, and add 50 years, you come to 1998. This final year starts in 1998 and ends in 1999. Pentecost means 50, and the Jubilee year is the 50th year.

Dr. Tabor told me that May 14, 1948 was Pentecost on the natural Jewish calendar, where the first of the month is the time of the sliver of the new moon being sighted, and there are no other rules. If we start with the first year, Pentecost 1948 to Pentecost 1949, the final year would begin on Pentecost 1998 and end on Pentecost 1999.

> Please see Joshua 5:10-12.."The children of Israel kept the Passover on the
> 14th day of the month...And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the
> morrow after the Passover(THIS IS THE 15TH OF NISAN).....And the manna
> ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn(THIS IS THE 16TH
> OF NISAN)...neither had they manna any more; but did eat of the fruit of
> Canaan that year.." Question? When did they START eating the fruit of the
> land? Answer--ON THE 17TH DAY OF NISAN

Wait a minute. Let's be sure you didn't lose a day in your thinking here. The Israelites surely ate on the 16th. We are not told that they fasted one whole day. The Passover was the 14th. They ate old corn (grain) of the land on the 15th. On the 16th, there was no manna, so they ate the FIRST FRUIT of Canaan on Nisan 16.

It sounds exactly like in 30 AD, when the Passover was the 14th, the Feast of Unleavened Bread (made of old grain) was the 15th, and the Feast of Firstfruits was the 16th.

Note: I just reread your email on P & C 197. Here it is in your own words, "What FEAST is kept on Nisan 16 ? FIRSTFRUITS. Mr. Caps".

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I just watched Clinton guarantee Israel's security with our CIA. Then I heard Arafat say he was looking forward to signing the final peace agreement in Washington, SOON.

What do you think? (I think you know where I'm coming from). Agape to you and Ed.

My reply

This is another step along the way. I watched the signing today on TV. The WYE River Memorandum is an interim agreement, not the final thing. I don't think we will be here for the confirmation of the seven-year peace treaty. I expect that to be signed by the Tribulation Pope and an Israeli leader to kick off the Tribulation on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.

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Hi! (From Finland)
Wonder if there is a slight mistranslation in the following. "They come from a far country"... Should it be place. Is this not speaking of the asteroids?

Isaiah|13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. Isaiah|13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Isaiah|13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

So the "peace process" is moving on. Wonder when is the next round.

My reply

The word translated "country" is "erets," as in erets Israel, the land of Israel. It can mean the earth (at large, or partitively a land), country, field, ground, or world. How about this: They come from a far off world, from the end (qets, extremity) of heaven?

This extremity must refer to the visible solar system, of which Saturn is the farthest out naked-eye planet. As in the candlestick, if the Sun is the left lamp and Earth is the center lamp, Saturn is the third heaven to the right. It's funny how once you know something, it you can see it in unexpected places.

The flaming sword is the Lord's weapon of destruction. It seems to be a binary asteroid.

As for the WYE RIVER MEMORANDUM, it is another step toward the seven-year peace treaty that will be confirmed, I think, on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. They speak peace when there is no peace, so I wonder what will happen next May 4. I sure hope this agreement will avert war at that time.

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I have a question or two if you could find the time. First of all let me say you have been a great blessing to me in my search for the knowledge and understanding of the Rapture. I've read most of all your web pages and book's and agree with you on Most things. Mr. Charles Capps writes you a lot and I learn a great deal between the both of you, your comments verses his comments etc and I have to agree with Mr. Capps on the time he mentioned in Pro/Con 197 stating the date April 18th 1999. My reasoning is continued from my last e-mail to you stating 5758, the day of Noah, and that ending September 20th, and saying did not God close the door (7) days before the flood? We both know that everything from the past concerning prophecy will happen in a likewise manner in the future, everything that was, is to be. I also said that I thought the Rapture would be on the 27th of September the opposite of when God closed Noah's door and would be (7) day to OPEN Noah's door, or the Rapture. I have re-thought that (7) days could possibly be (7) months and (7) months from September 20th, 1998 would be around April 18th, 1999 the same time Mr. Capps mentioned. Anyway around it rather it is the 18th of April, or the 23rd of May Pentecost Sunday, as you might think, or say a MOST possible day. THE RAPTURE IS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE SOON. God bless you

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> Mr. Charles Capps writes you a lot

The man who writes and calls himself Mr. Caps is not Charles Capps. His first emails were written in all capital letters. Someone called him Mr. Caps, and he has used that handle ever since. He knows his Bible and is willing to research a subject. I enjoy our discussions. Even if I disagree with his position, it makes me rethink the whole thing. That is good. No one person knows everything. Sometimes another will have understanding of just the right thing to make me see something new clearly. When we all put our heads together, we can get farther than any of us can alone. However, we should all be open minded and discuss things as friends. We are to be fully persuaded in our own minds, know why we believe the way we do, but be willing to consider all angles.

> I have to agree with Mr. Capps on the time he
> mentioned in Pro/Con 197 stating the date April 18th 1999.

I don't think he really meant April 18, 1999. I think he meant Nisan 18, which in 1999 is Sunday, April 4. It is the Sunday after Passover, and therefore the Feast of Firstfruits and the anniversary of the resurrection. He did equate Nisan with April, but it varies quite a bit from year to year. In 1999, Nisan runs from March 18 through April 16.

I have said that I thought the latter rain ended Nisan 30. That would be April 16. Thus the rain would be over and gone before Pentecost, which on the Talmudic Jewish Calendar will be Sivan 6, our Friday, May 21. Or, if it is to be on Sunday, it would be on May 23.

I was leaning toward Sunday, May 23. Now, I think May 21 is more likely. I just realized that the 2300 days from the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 would not be 2300 days if the beginning day had to be on a Sunday. This makes me think the Talmudic calendar just may be the one we are to go by. I had to rethink the Lord's day in Rev. 1:10. It could be the same as the day of the Son of man (Lu. 17:22,26). There are two days of the Son of Man. They represent the two Raptures, one as the days of Noah, the other as the days of Lot. Jesus is both Lord and the Son of man.

> did not God close the door (7) days before the flood?

I thought so at first, but after reading other versions than the KJV, it became clear that the rain started the same day Noah and his family entered the Ark. It isn't that clear in the KJV.

Here it is in the NIV: "Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights...And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark....Then the LORD shut him in" (Gen. 7:4-16).

> THE RAPTURE IS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE SOON

I agree. We should just get ready and stay ready, whenever it is, for we seem to be on the last lap of the race, the bell lap. Now is when we should sprint and see how much we can do for the Lord in what little time we have left.

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