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Incoming Email Greetings from a Kiwi (New Zealander). Your site first got my attention some months ago because you were with 'Kiwi.net'. Since then I have kept up with your Pros and Cons and find them very interesting and stimulating.
I know that we are all told that the two witnesses of Rev. 11 are Moses and Elijah, but for some years now I have believed that this is too simplistic and doesn't really make much sense. Have you ever thought about the two witnesses not being two people (Moses and Elijah) but Israel and the remnant Church (those left after the first Rapture, and in addition Gentiles saved during this period)? This seems more logical to me as the Churches in Rev. 2 and 3 are represented by Candlesticks. We are also told in the Gospels not to hide our candles under the bed, or under the table, so candles and candlesticks are believers, from either Israel or Gentile nations. The two Olive Trees are spoken of by Paul in Romans 11:17-25 and we are told that they are Israel and the saved Gentiles. In Rev. 11 these two witnesses have power to do miracles, such as those done by the O.T. saints, and this seems consistent with Daniel 11:32b "...but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days." Both the Beast and the False Prophet are given power to kill the Lord's people: the Beast because they won't take the mark, and the False Prophet because they won't worship the image of the Beast. Rev. 13. Notice that it is only "...when they shall have finished their testimony...the beast...shall overcome them, and kill them." Rev. 11:7. Doesn't this sound like the Trib. saints who are martyred for "the word of their testimony"? Maybe the reference to their dead bodies lying in the street three days and an half is not literal. Could it be that the Beast and False Prophet think that they have completely destroyed all who believe in the Lord and that there is no more faith on the earth? Perhaps the wonderful revival and witness stops and it looks, perhaps for 3-1/2 years (a year for a day?) as though there is no more faith on the earth - both the Gentile Church and Israeli believers have fallen silent, through being killed, or fear of death. No-one seems to mourn them, and the wicked even rejoice and send one another gifts. See in verse 9 that "they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies". I know that now it is possible for people to see this via TV, but doesn't it sound as if there will be many bodies, in many countries "of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations", rather than just the people who are in Jerusalem? Maybe v.8 saying that "their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city...where our Lord was crucified" is because Jerusalem is the 'home' for both Israel and the Church, but it will also be from there that the commands to kill believers are given and therefore this is where the blame lies, rather than actual bodies. After three and a half 'days' the Lord tells them to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." Again, this seems to me more like many people being taken up into heaven, and being seen by many enemies. Could this be the record of the Rapture of the "dead in Christ" who have died during the Tribulation? If this is correct then there will be no sign of Godlinness at all in the last three and a half years. Would love to have your comments!
During the past two years or so the Lord has taught me so much I sometimes feel I will burst - just jump out of my skin! I used to believe the things which the Churches have traditionally taught but I have now learned to 'search the scriptures' for everything, as the Bible has all the answers and the Lord wants us to understand, for "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Prov. 25:2. "Seek and ye SHALL find" is a wonderful promise that seeking will not be in vain and I have certainly proven this for myself. Your sister in Christ
My reply Glad you find my site stimulating. It is in Riverside, CA, USA, though. My server is Kiwi Computers.
I know the feeling you have when you learn fast. That happened to me back in 1968. I felt like I had a tiger by the tail. I could barely keep up. The Lord helped me learn as fast as I could assimilate it in those days.
As for the two witnesses, the powers they have are powers that Moses and Elijah had before. Their bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem. That is literal. This is Mid-Tribulation, when Jesus says, "Then let them which be in JUDAEA flee into the mountains" (Mt. 24:16). There are believers in the last half of the tribulation. Rev. 12:17 says, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman (Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
The Tribulation saints are taken to Heaven between the breaking of the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8. They are caught up (Rev. 7:14) on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17), but before the seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth at noon (Rev. 8:8,10; Zeph. 2:4,5).
As chapter 8 begins, there is silence on Earth (Hab. 2:20) and in Heaven about the space of half an hour. This is, I think, when Christ is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Why is it nearing noon? because the earlier part of the day is taken up with the coronation of Christ and the Marriage of the Lamb. After the marriage, rewards are handed out. To those in Heaven, good things. To those unbelievers left on Earth, destruction (Rev. 11:15-18). When the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 8:10 impact Earth, civilization as we know it will be destroyed. Every wall will fall (Ezek. 38:20).
That will be the Feast of Trumpets (Mal. 2:3; Joel 2:1-3), the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. All Israel will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8), that day. They will repent during the Days of Awe and be accepted by the Lord on the following Day of Atonement. They will be dwelling in booths of necessity on that Feast of Tabernacles. In spite of the destruction, there is joy. They know that Christ is their Messiah, that Israel is now permanent and to be greatly blessed, that the earthly kingdom of Christ is coming soon. They bury the dead bodies for seven months to cleanse the land for his return (Ezek. 39:12). He will return on Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21), the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year, as all the other Israelite kings officially took office. I think it will be April 6, 2008, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on April 6, 30 AD.
Re: the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. In Dan. 11:40, it is "the time of the end." In verse 45, it is when the False Prophet comes "to his end." Then Dan. 12:1,2 says, "AND at that time (when the False Prophet comes "to his end") shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (the Day of God's Wrath, the day of Jacob's trouble), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (the Feast of Trumpets in 2007) thy people (Israel) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Re: the "two olive trees." Zech. 4:14 explains: "These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." Moses and Elijah stood with Christ at the Transfiguration. I believe that they are the two witnesses.
Incoming Email From Singapore:
I have read most of your Pro&Cons an is greatly ecourage by it. I too wish that the rapture will by in 1999; however I am worry for my relatives and friends who are non christians. Who going to pray for them and intercedes on their behalf...I am a christian for many years, since I was a teenage and have backslided until June this year where I went with my family to the Johor, Malaysia miracle crusade organised by my church(LightHouse Evangelism) and the Full Gospel church in Malaysia. Now, I felt the urgency to share the gospel with others as I feel that the Lord is coming within my generation. Mrs Agee may I ask how does ones goes about learning to interprets the prophecy in the bible, eg, which book to start reading from the bible?.....Thank you and God Bless.
My reply I can't tell you that we can pray for those still on Earth after we get to Heaven. No Scripture that I can think of would back me up on that. Maybe we can and maybe we can't. One thing we can't do is refuse to go with Christ when he speaks and says, "Come up hither." Hebrews 12:25 says, "See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven."
So what can we do for those left behind? leave them letters and books that will explain to them what they need to do. First, tell them to pray and tell the Lord that they accept Christ. Then, tell them not to take the Mark of the Beast even if they have to die because of it. Why?
Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
Human beings are more than just a body. Those that believe in Christ are body, soul and spirit. The real person is in the house called the body. If the body dies, the real person does not die, but goes to be with Christ in Heaven. That is the same person as before, has the same memory, knowledge, feelings, hearing, speech, and sight as before (see Luke 16:19-31). Later, that person will get a resurrection body that can never die. In the meantime, he has a celestial body (I Corinthians 15:40-44).
It is better to lose this body and go to Heaven than to take the Mark of the Beast, which will be required to be able to buy and sell (Revelation 13:15-18) here on Earth during the seven-year Tribulation.
I believe that there are two Raptures, one before the Tribulation and one at the end of the shortened Tribulation (Matthew 24:22), before God's Wrath is poured out on unbelievers. The people who read your letters and books can be saved after the first Rapture. If they die for their faith, they go to Heaven (Revelation 6:9-11). If they can make it through the Tribulation alive, they can be caught up to Heaven in the second Rapture.
The first Rapture is seen in Revelation 4:1. The second one is seen in Revelation 7:14. Between them is Revelation 6, which begins at the beginning of the Tribulation and ends when the Day of God's Wrath has come. As Revelation 7 begins, we see that the destruction is held back until the great multitude which no man can number of all nations is caught up to Heaven. Then God's Wrath is cast on Earth in Revelation 8, after the Tribulation saints are safe in Heaven.
We are nearing the time of the first Rapture. You may not have much time to learn everything about Bible prophecy. However, if the Rapture is next Pentecost (in May), you should at least have time to read most of it. Start with the last book in the Bible, The Revelation of Jesus Christ. It is written as if the Rapture is at hand. It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10) and Jesus signs off with, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5).
Revelation is an outline of what is coming upon this generation. There are a few things that look to the past and far future, but most of it is about things at the end of this age. Rev. 1:19 says, "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter (after the Rapture)."
Then read Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, Luke 17 and 21. You should be able to see where most of those prophecies fit into the outline given in Revelation. The "abomination of desolation" of Mt. 24:15 is the image of Rev. 13:14,15. It is placed at the temple in Jerusalem in the middle of the Tribulation. The things of Rev. 11:1-13; and chapter 12 also take place Mid-Trib. II Thessalonians 2:3-12 also takes place during the Tribulation. When the wicked son of perdition, the False Prophet, sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" is Mid-Trib. He is the beast of Rev. 13:11-18 that tries to force everyone to take the Mark of the Beast. The first beast of Rev. 13 rules the first half of the Tribulation. The second beast rules the last half.
Then start at Isaiah and read the rest of the Old Testament. By the time you finish Malachi, you will have at least read most of the end-time prophecies.
Fit the Old Testament end-time prophecies into the outline given in Revelation as you go to keep them in chronological order and to help you find them again. I make notes in the margin, usually just the Bible reference. I can always look them up if I need to. I also underline the most important points with a colored pencil. If you keep a piece of thin ribbon more than twice the length of your Bible in it, with one end where you are reading and the other end at the beginning of Revelation, it will make referring back and forth easy without losing your place. You will be able to close your Bible to carry with you, and still start reading at the proper place when an opportunity presents itself.
As long as I am able, I will answer questions that arise as you go. God bless your studies and open your understanding, in Jesus' name, Amen. Ask the Lord to help you understand. He is just waiting for you to do that to help you with the more difficult passages. Make sure all your sins since you first believed are confessed so the Lord can cleanse you of all unrighteousness and fill you with his Holy Spirit (see I John 1:9). Then you are going to be most effective in telling others about Christ and in understanding Scripture. God bless you.
Incoming Email Several people have commented that the calculation of Jubilee years may be off by one, suggesting that the rapture will occur at the end of the "1998-1999" Pentecostal year. If we count by Jewish reckoning, 1948-1949 is year ONE. 1997-1998 is year FIFTY. 1998-1999 is year FIFTY-ONE. We have missed the Jubilee from Israel's re-birth.
My reply I thought the Rapture was most likely on Pentecost in 1998. Since it did not happen then, I'm looking for it next Pentecost. Maybe we could figure this way. If 1948-1949 is year one, 1948 + 50 = 1998, and 1949 + 50 = 1999 (1998-1999). Waiting and watching.
Incoming Email Re: Angels/Demons: Thanks for your reply Marilyn, I got a letter from a guy called Ron who sent me some Web page addresses. Thanks for everything, great web page. God Bless
Incoming Email I am happy to hear of Ed's progress. God does answer prayer. I just wanted to share something with you that I found on the Internet while reseaching the Garden of Eden and Mesopotamia. I was surprised to find out the Assyrians and Chaldeans still exist. They claim the Fertile Crescent as their homeland and want it back from the Arabs and the Jews. They have involved many Popes in their land disputes I am sure because of their long history of honoring the opinion of the Pope in these matters. They are Roman Catholic in their beliefs and are in the process of unifying the Assyrian and Chaldean church under the title of "the One Church of the East." What amazed me about the Chaldeans section of the Roman Catholic church is that they report to have 5 Popes who were native born Chaldeans. The Chaldean Popes are Gregroy III, Sergius, Anicetus, John V, and Sisinnius. Although they were converted to Catholicism in the 5th century AD, it appears they have had more influence than other races on the ecclesiastical orders that have since come out of the Catholic church. The saying that Babylon has fallen is an understatement!
The Chaldeans are called such only if they were orginally called Nestorians by order of Pope Eugene IV. Their leader is called "The Patriach of Bablyon of the Chaldeans." Nineveh Press is still alive and printing info about the planned unification of the two churches. They met in 1996 in Southland, Michigan to discuss how they could unite under one banner keeping their native traditions and language..Aramaic. They make up only 4% of the population of Iraq and the Assyrians make up 3%.
It is therefore not hard to believe that the Assyrians and Chaldeans will have another Pope take the "thrown" who will then want to have Jerusalem as the Holy seat of the church. Especially since they consider their homeland to be from the coast of Palestine to the Zagos mountains and the Gulf of Tao in the east. This would include Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, Cyprus, Jordon, Cilicia, Palestine, Sinai and Ahwaz. As you know, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees...he was a Chaldean before God changed his name and became the father of the Jews. They consider Abraham as their father too since he is a native of their land....now modern Iraq and southern Syria. Or maybe with all this hoopla about the "Virgin Mary" sightings and her requests that we pray for peace, we may see enough "miracles" happen to compel the Catholic church to move back to Babylon itself!
Just wanted an opinion from you on this information.
My reply How interesting. I had not run into this before. Thanks for sending it to me.
Something will compel the Universal World Church to move its headquarters to Babylon. I'm not sure what it will be. Dr. Berry wondered if Peter's grave would be found in Babylon.
I wonder if the apparitions of "Mary" are the Jezebel of Rev. 2:20. She is being listened to, and she is not speaking the truth at all times. Verse 20 says, "Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (joining), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols."
Incoming Email Thank God for giving me an opportunity to share with you my spiritual experience and problems I'm facing. I have been following God's words for 7 years and I accpeted Christ after 3 years attending church regularly. Thank God that He is my savior and my guidance whenever I'm lost and He leads me the way.
Recently, I'm in a little transition period whereby I hang out with Non-Christian because of my job and I'm so afraid that I might be influenced by what they think and say. I know I must have a strong faith towards God Almighty but all these evils things have been surrounding me often times. I did not attend Sunday service for months and I know it's my fault. The reason why I did not attend church service is because lack of transportation. I do not own a car so that I could go to church whenever I want. I know I could do some thing to solve this problem but I do not like to border others to give me a lift. Anyway, I'm still studying God's words everyday and I can still feel that He is doing something to me. I know I already lost my track to God's home but I hope some thing might turn out to solve my problem.
I have lots of problems in life but I never blame anyone in this world cos I know everything is under prepared and planned by God. I hope you could advise me or give me a few words cos I have no one I can share except God. Thank you so much and God bless you. Lov
My reply > I'm so afraid that I might be influenced by what they think and say.
It is possible too. Samson was. Try to find a Christian friend to hang out with.
> The reason why I did not attend church service is because lack of transportation
Maybe a phone call to the church would solve your transportation problem and turn up a friend to hang out with. There may be someone who is passing near you on his way to church. Usually, no one is more willing to find you a ride than the church of your choice. Join with me and pray that the Lord will give you a Christian friend and a way to get to church. Go to Sunday School. Get acquainted with the right kind of people. I have a hunch that a buddy is out there waiting for you. Make an effort to make the connection.
> I know I already lost my track to God's home but I hope
> some thing might turn out to solve my problem.
I don't think you have lost the track. You are probably being tested to see if you will let go or hang on. Pray for the Lord's help during this time. Confess any known sins since you accepted Christ (I John 1:9), and you are back in fellowship with God and filled with His Holy Spirit. Trust Him to show you the way. Hang in there and cursing will turn to blessing. Don't give Satan reason to hope that you will fail your test. The quicker he knows that he is up against a stone wall, the quicker he will go on to other things where he has more chance of succeeding.
> I have lots of problems in life
So do I, but I just put one foot in front of the other and keep moving. All the Lord ever asked us to do is walk the Christian walk one step at a time. Remember that when you accepted Christ, he baptized you with his Holy Spirit. He is in you and has promised to never leave you. You are never alone. You can talk to him in your mind as you walk. Ask for guidance, and you will receive guidance.
James 1:5,6 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord."
The turning point in your life may be just around the corner. You just can't see it yet. Keep your faith strong, and you will find your way. The Lord opens and closes doors for us. Go through the ones he opens and do not force your way through those that are closed. This way, he can guide you along your way even though at times you can't see where you are going. Pair up with him, and he will pour out blessings for you. Cast all your cares on him. He is better able to carry them than you are. Also, he has the power to do something about them that we lack. God bless.
Incoming Email Jim Bramlett wrote: Re: "As the days of Noah were"
I cannot say for sure that this is a revelation and I will let others decide. But for a long time I have felt as though the Lord's description of His return, "as the days of Noah were" (Matthew 24:37, NKJV) had much more meaning than most of us have ever considered.
A question is whether it applies to the Lord's Second Coming or to the rapture. Seems to me that the first part of Matthew 24, with its many signs and tribulations, builds up to the Second Coming, an event which should be expected. But then verse 36 suddenly shifts and speaks of an event that catches the world totally off guard, a time of apparent normalcy in daily living, certainly not at the end of the Tribulation after half the world's population is dead. Jesus said it would be "as the days of Noah were." This sounds more like the rapture.
We typically view it as meaning the world (not those expecting, as was Noah) will be surprised, which is true, or that the earth is filled with violence, which is true. We have also seen that with Noah Troyer's 1878 prophecies, a 120-year warning as was apparently given to Noah may also apply, although as some interpret that may also mean 120 (Jubilee) years from Adam, or 6,000 years (120 X 50 = 6,000).
However, the other day it suddenly dawned on me that in Noah's day there were NO Jewish feast days! Noah preceded the Mosaic Law by many years. That means that this event spoken of by Jesus may NOT be on Jewish feast day as we have been expecting! Makes sense, since Noah was not a Jew (which did not exist until Abraham).
If not on a Jewish feast day, when might this event be? Well, if "as the days of Noah were," it might be on the one date mentioned in the Noah account: the 17th day of the second month (Chesvan), the day the flood began (Genesis 7:11), which in 1998 is November 6. Or, it might be seven days earlier, the day that Noah entered the ark (vs.7-10), which in 1998 would be October 30-31. Or, as a Gentile event, it might be any day.
Whatever Jesus was referring to with His "as the days of Noah were" comment, it surely appears from His description that it does NOT have to occur on a Jewish feast day. The final fulfillment of those specific Jewish holidays may be just for the Jews. The "as the days of Noah were" event may be for the Gentiles -- such as the Gentile church, when God "TAKES OUT" of the Gentiles a people for His name" (Acts 15:14).
Let us remember that it was the Lord Himself who said that this event would be "as the days of Noah were." As we consider that event, it will help if we put ourselves in the context of Noah and his times, as did Jesus.
My reply > for a long time I have felt as though the Lord's description of
> His return, "as the days of Noah were" (Matthew 24:37, NKJV) had much more
> meaning than most of us have ever considered.
I feel the same way. Odd that you would send this tonight. This evening, we had lightning, so I had to turn off my computer. As usual in odd moments, I grabbed my Bible to read. Not being able to really get into the various laws given at Sinai where I had left off reading that particular version while waiting for Ed to get his echocardiogram, I marked my place and went back to read the account of Noah like I was drawn to it. Guess what I found out that I had not known before. It was just about one solar year between the second month, 17th day of Gen. 7:11 and the second month, 27th day of 8:14. This latter day was when the Lord told Noah, "GO FORTH" (8:16). That is close to "Come up hither."
If you multiply 12 months by 29.531, the lunar month, you get 354.372. Add the extra ten days from Cheshvan 17 to Cheshvan 27 and you get 364.372. That is just about 365 days, or just about one solar year from the time that Noah entered the Ark in his 600th year to the time he was told, "Go forth" in his 601st year.
Strange that it is roughly one year. It may be also roughly one year from Pentecost in the 6000th year to Pentecost in the 6001st year, when the Rapture may take place. I first went by the 600th (6000th) year, thinking that when Noah ENTERED the Ark was what we should go by. That seemed right for the door was open, and we have an open door set before us (Rev. 3:8). However, the Lord also closed the door, and it was not opened again until the NEXT YEAR.
In "Signs in the Heavens," p. 244, Avi Ben Mordechai picked for the Rapture the Rosh Hashanah that begins the 6001st year, which he thought was 1999/2000 (p. 434). He may be close, but I hope we are in Heaven before next Rosh Hashanah. I never understood exactly why he picked the 6001st year instead of the 6000th.
However, maybe when Noah went forth from the Ark in his 601st year is what we should go by. He was told "Go forth" AFTER THE RAIN WAS OVER AND GONE. Song of Solomon 2:10,11 says, "Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, THE RAIN IS OVER AND GONE." When Noah entered the Ark, the rain came that same day. "In the selfsame day entered Noah" (Gen. 7:13). This is clearer in the NIV than in the KJV, which confused me earlier.
Gen. 7:4-13 (NIV) says, "Seven days from now I will send rain...And after the seven days the floodwaters came...In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. and rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. On that very day Noah and his sons...entered the ark."
> in Noah's day there were NO Jewish feast days! Noah preceded the Mosaic
> Law by many years.
The Bible is so consistent that the Jewish Calendar can be interpolated backward and we can be reasonably sure that God rested and this "kosmos" began to operate on Tishri 1--later to become the Feast of Trumpets. That seventh day was emphasized--later to become the Sabbath. Cain and Abel knew to bring offerings to the Lord. Enoch, just the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints" (Jude 14). Noah knew which animals were clean and which were unclean (Gen. 7:2). It seems obvious that the Lord was in control and imparted more information to Adam and the other patriarchs than is recorded.
The Lord knew that he was setting up the feast days to fall on important events. They are rehearsals. He made the plan before time began. Since he made the plan, and the Rapture of the Bride of Christ is an important event, I think he set it on a feast day.
> Well, if "as the days of Noah were," it might be on the one date mentioned
> in the Noah account: the 17th day of the second month (Chesvan), the day
> the flood began (Genesis 7:11), which in 1998 is November 6.
It is possible. However, Cheshvan is in the rainy season. Pentecost is after the rain is over and gone. The turtledoves are in Israel from April to October also.
Song of Solomon 2:10-13 (NIV) says, "My lover spoke and said to me, 'ARISE, my darling, my beautiful one, and COME WITH ME. See! The winter is past; the rains are over and gone. Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing has come (we sing the new song after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9), the cooing of doves is heard in our land. The fig tree forms its early fruit; the blossoming vines spread their fragrance. ARISE, COME, my darling; my beautiful one, COME WITH ME.'"
I still think Pentecost is most likely. The birth of the church into this world is a good type of the birth of the church into another new world.
> The final fulfillment of those specific Jewish holidays may be just for the Jews.
The church is neither Jew, Gentile nor Greek. We are all one body, and the church was born on Pentecost. That particular feast cannot be "just for the Jews."
Last spring, I learned of the Orthodox Calendar, where Pentecost is always on Sunday. That made sense because of Lev. 23:15, so I thought Sunday, Sivan 8, May 23, 1999 might be the date of the Rapture. However, the 2300 days from the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to the Feast of Weeks in 2007 (inclusive reckoning) are according to the Talmudic Jewish Calendar. Therefore, the Sivan 6 date (May 21, 1999) may turn out to be correct.
That will be on Friday, and I had thought that Rev. 1:10 indicated that the Rapture would be on Sunday. However, "the Lord's day" can also be the day of the Rapture which is called in Lu. 17:22, "one of the days of the Son of man." Jesus is both Lord and the Son of man. Maybe these two terms are synonymous. Shalom and Hag Shavu'ot Samay'ach (Happy Pentecost).
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