Pro and Con 206, Uploaded 10-28-98, PM
Note: Posted on 9-29-98, I wrote in Pro and Con 186, "Noah had a 7-day warning to get ready before the Ark door was to be closed. Maybe we will get a warning seven months before the Rapture. Watch the news."
Now on 10-23-98, we had the WYE Memorandum peace agreement signed by Arafat and Netanyahu. Think. We may have just gotten our seven-month warning, (1) November, (2) December, (3) January, (4) February, (5) March, (6) April and (7) May--from October 23, 1998 to May 23, 1999. Do you realize what day that will be? the Orthodox Pentecost. Maybe the Rapture will be on Sunday, May 23, 1999, after all.
> In regard to the tribulation, this is what I have been taught about the timing: The
> tribulation does not begin until the confirmation of the seven year covenant AT
> WHICH TIME the daily sacrifice begins. Three and a half years later the antichrist
> sets up his statue in a wing of the temple and the daily sacrifice ceases.
*** From Marilyn: I agree with all of this. The False Prophet becomes Satan indwelt and sits in the temple Mid-Trib. I think he is the final Antichrist.
> Then Dan 12:11 states, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice
> shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up,
> there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. v.12, Blessed is
> he that waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."
***It seems that the Judgment of the Nations takes place at the end of 1260 days from Mid-Trib. Satan has dominion taken from him at that time and the "goats" on Christ's left are done away with. Mt. 25:41 says, Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." The normal mourning time is 30 days, as in Nu. 20:29, "they mourned for Aaron thirty days." The 1260 days plus the 30 days of mourning brings us to the end of the 1290-day period.
***The end of the 1335 days seems to be when Israel is divided to the rightful tribes, and Daniel literally stands in his own lot. Ezek. 36:11 says, I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings." Ezek. 37:12 says, "O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel."
***"Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?" (Isa. 49:21).
> Can the temple be built sometime into the 7 year period and not
> necessarily at the very beginning?
***I don't think so because of Rev. 11:1-3. The temple is there when the two witnesses begin to prophesy at the beginning of the Tribulation.
> Can the daily sacrifice begin BEFORE the temple is rebuilt?
I don't think so because of Dan. 8:14. The 2300 days are when they can sacrifice plus when they cannot because the temple is desecrated by the False Prophet.
> Does the daily sacrifice necessarily last from the beginning until the middle of
> the 7 yrs., or for a total 3 1/2 years, 1260 days?
***Yes, because the False Prophet is not in office in his final official capacity until Satan is cast out of Heaven and indwells him. The very first day of his Satanic reign is when he goes to sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). It is the day he kills the two witnesses.
> If not, for how many days does the daily sacrifice
> last at the beginning of the trib? After the abomination of desolation
> is it 1335 days until the arrival of Jesus onto the cleansed earth, or
> is it 1360 days? If neither, how many days, including the 7 months of cleansing?
***It is 207 days from Tishri 1 to Nisan 1 (inclusive reckoning), the day of Christ's return on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year. Regnal because he is King of kings. Sacred because he is Lord of lords. This 207 days is the seven months.
***Nisan 1 is 1246 days from Mid-Trib. The 1260 days end on Nisan 15, the day the Jews now keep Passover. That is the full 2520 days from the beginning of the Tribulation. That seems to be the last day of Satan's dominion. On the next day, I am guessing that the Judgment of the Nations takes place, and dominion is taken from Satan. He fights. Armageddon starts then and lasts for 40 days and 40 nights. I think that the 40th day is fry day for Satan, our Friday, May 30, 2008. This would put true millennial peace beginning Iyar 26, 5768, our May 31, 2008.
> It is held by some theorists that the Antichrist must arise from the Selucid area.
> I'm sure you must have considered this possibility. Why is it not possible?
***I don't know any reason why not. It seems most likely to me. The False Prophet (the final Antichrist) will probably be of the tribe of Dan and might come out of what was the Empires of Greece in Alexander's day (Dan. 8:21-25). Antiochus Epiphanes (a Syrian) seems to be a type, but whether we can go by this or just his actions is hard to tell for sure.
> Thanks for the info.
You are most welcome.
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Incoming Email Hello, how are you and Mr Agee is doing? I'm fine and is going to visit my grandmother this evening who is 80 over years old and has slight blindness in her eyes; she has accepted the Lord two weeks ago and needs alot of prayer as she is staying with my aunts and uncles who are all non-christians except for my family. I'm trying my best to persuade her to come to the Hokkien Dialect service on Sunday and the Miracle Service held every first Saturday of the month by praying very hard and showing my love and God's Love to her by visiting her every Wednesday. Please pray that the Lord will touch her heart to convice her to come willingly.
Mrs Agee, please can you give me the important Jewish's Feast/Festivals mentioned in the bible and in which month they occur in. If possible, explains to me how do one counts the Jewish calender with our English calender.
Thank-you and God bless you and your family.
My reply I prayed for your grandmother. Please pray for Ed's mother, Millie Sparkes, in ICU in the hospital. Ed and I are doing as well as can be expected. He gets stronger every day.
The seven feasts and their dates in 1999 on both calendars are:
> Passover, Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:5) (Mar.31), now kept by Jews on Nisan 15 (Apr.1)
> Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15 (Lev. 23:6) (Apr.1), lasts seven days
> Feast of Firstfruits, Sun. following F. of Unleavened Bread (Lev. 23:11) (Apr.4)
> Pentecost, 50 days after Firstfruits (Lev. 23:15,16), now kept Sivan 6 (May 21)
> -----------Orthodox, on Sunday, Sivan 8 (May 23)
"Fall" feasts (fall actually arrives about Sept. 21):
> Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1 (Lev. 23:24) (Sept. 11)
> Day of Atonement, Tishri 10 (Lev. 23:27) (Sept. 20)
> Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15 (Lev. 23:34) (Sept. 25)
The spring feasts had a fulfilment in 30 AD. Pentecost was when the Holy Spirit descended on the believers, and the church was born on Earth. It seems the most likely time for the church to be born into another new world.
I think the "fall" feasts will be fulfilled at the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord, which starts on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007.
That day will be like no other--ever. In Heaven, it is Coronation Day, also the day of the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. On Earth, it is first the day of the Rapture of the Tribulation saints, then the Day of God's Wrath.
On that day, the seven trumpet judgments will be cast on Earth. Two pieces of an asteroid will impact Earth (Rev. 8:8,10), destroying civilization as we know it.
The Day of God's Wrath will be followed by the Ten Days of Awe. Then the Jewish Remnant will be accepted by God on the Day of Atonement. They will rejoice on the Feast of Tabernacles.
I believe that the Second Advent will follow the Feast of Trumpets by seven Jewish months (Ezek. 39:12). Jesus will officially take office on Earth on the same day all the other Israelite kings took office, Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21). That will be April 6, 2008, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar.
Jesus came the first time as the former rain and will return as the latter rain in Israel (Hos. 6:3).
I don't have any way to look at our Gregorian Calendar and know the date on the Jewish Calendar. I use a Jewish Calendar which gives the correlating date on our calendar.
Incoming Email It's good to see you are open to a Rapture day other than Sunday. There have been very informative e-mails over the last few months that, along with your knowledge and input, have taught us many small, minute details about feasts, feast days, green figs, ripe figs, flower blooming, flower fragrances, turtledoves, seasons of rain, seasons of barley, seasons of wheat, Pentecost dating methods, mathematical countings equations, planet alignments, and asteriod orbital pathways.
Now there is a lot of e-mail and replys and detail dissuccisons as to the date of the Rapture next spring. Before going further with that subject, I would request that the "tarry" be discussed as in depth as we have the above subjects. I would love to see CAPS get into the same research mode with the "tarry" as he has done so well with other subjects. And you, Marilyn, have given a few comments on it, but nothing very in-depth. I know your mind goes constantly and I would be greatly interested in your thoughts on the "tarry".
Do you think it has already begun? Are there any verses that might tell us more about it? Any "tarries" in Israel's history? Etc.
Hope you are well and glad to hear Ed's progressing along. Agape
I feel blessed by God to have found you and your web-site and for all I have learned from you.
My reply Thanks for your kind comments, your caring, etc. I sent this last night to "CAPS" to see if he has any ideas on "tarry."
The first thing that comes to my mind is Pentecost at Mt. Sinai. After the Lord spoke to Moses, he said, "Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai....when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount....And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet (the first of the Bible) exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God" (Ex. 19:10-17).
There was a delay built in there. During that time, the people were to wash their garments. That is what we should be doing right now, making sure that we are wearing white robes.
Rev. 19:7,8 says, "the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife HATH MADE HERSELF READY. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses) of saints."
The second thing I thought of is that in the parable of the ten virgins in Mt. 25:2-6, they "took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom." Then after that, it says, "While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him."
The virgins went forth one time, but there was a delay. Then they slumbered and slept. When they went forth again, it was because they heard the shout.
Note: Added 10-29-98: PM.
My outgoing email From Marilyn Agee Date: Oct. 29, 1998 (date John Glenn went back to space)
To: Dr. Tabor:
On 17 Nov 1997, you wrote:
"Isaac Newton found more interest and fascination in these matters than in his discoveries in physics. Indeed, Newton was one of the first modern interpreters to take the "long view" of the sequence of "days" and apply them by a "day=year" principle.
"He was convinced that the Islamic invasion of Palestine in 632 C.E., and the subsequent building of the various Mosques in Jerusalem, was the key period from which one might read these epochs of Daniel--especially as they are set forth in Daniel 12. Those are the periods associated with a mysterious "desolating abomination" standing in the Holy Place. Using 657 C.E. as the beginning of the building of the Al Aksa mosque he worked out the following scheme. Of course these periods stretched far beyond him, but from our perspective, looking back, we find the following:
"657 + 1260=1917 (Allenby's liberation of Jerusalem/Balfour Declaration)
657 + 1290=1947 (UN votes Partition of Palestine/DSS found)
657 + 1335=1992 (Modern era of 'Peace Process')"
I don't know what month and day the mosque was built, but lets try something approximate. The first year in the series would be 657 to 658 AD (Jewish year 4417 to 4418). The last year would, for instance, be 1917 to 1918.
4417 J to 4418 J + 1260 = 5677 J to 5678 J
> 5678 J = Tishri 1 in 1917 AD to Tishri 1 in 1918 AD, encompassing Balfour Declaration (Nov. 2, 1917) and liberation of Jerusalem (Dec. 8, 1917)
4417 J to 4418 J + 1290 = 5707 J to 5708 J
> 5708 J = Tishri 1 in 1947 AD to Tishri 1 in 1948 AD, encompassing UN vote to partition Palestine (Nov. 29, 1947) and Israel's Declaration of Independance, Iyar 5, 5708 (May 14, 1948), Pentecost on the Biblical calendar
4417 J to 4418 J + 1335 = 5752 J to 5753 J
> 5753 J = Tishri 1 in 1992 AD to Tishri 1 in 1993 AD, encompassing the signing of the Oslo Accords (Elul 27, 5753, Sept. 13, 1993) (ratified in Israel on the following Tishri 1, 5754, our Sept. 16, 1993)
Sept. 13, 1993 (signing of Oslo Accords) + 7 good years (as when Joseph was in Egypt) + 7 bad years (Tribulation) = Sept. 13, 2007, the 2300th day (inclusive reckoning) from the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) that I think starts the Seventieth Week of Daniel, Sivan 6, 5761 (Talmudic calendar) (our May 28, 2001).
Tishri 1, 5754 (ratification of Oslo Accords in Israel) + 7 good years + 7 bad years = Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), the 2300th day of the Tribulation.
Now consider something else. I believe the Pre-Trib Rapture is "one of the days (Raptures) of the Son of man (Lu. 17:22). The first Rapture is "as it was in the days of Noe" (Lu. 17:26). The second Rapture is "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot" (Lu. 17:28). Fire falls on that same day (i.e., Sept. 13, 2007, the Day of God's Wrath).
I wrote in Pro and Con 186 (posted Sept. 29, 1998), "Noah had a 7-day warning to get ready before the Ark door was to be closed. Maybe we will get a warning seven months before the Rapture. Watch the news."
Now on Cheshvan, 3, 5759 (our Oct. 23, 1998) we had the WYE Memorandum interim peace agreement signed by Arafat and Netanyahu. Think. We may have just gotten our seven-month warning, (1) November, (2) December, (3) January, (4) February, (5) March, (6) April and (7) May--from October 23, 1998 to May 23, 1999. Do you realize what day that last date will be? the Orthodox Pentecost, Sunday, Sivan 8, 5759. Maybe the Rapture will be on Sunday, May 23, 1999. I may have missed it by one year.
In figuring the Jubilee, Pentecost, 1948 + 50 = Pentecost, 1998. It is easy to stop with 1998. Yet, the Jubilee is a year, not a day. The first year would be 1948 to 1949. The last year could be Pentecost, 1998 to Pentecost, 1999. Does the date of the WYE Memorandum (Oct. 23, 1998) point to Pentecost (Sunday, May 23) in 1999? Food for thought. The Lord is in command of all things.
Hag Shavu'ot Samay'ach, even if it is a bit early to be wishing you a happy Pentecost. It might be the happiest one ever. Three thousand were saved on Pentecost in 30 AD (Acts 2:41). This time "the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands" (Rev. 5:11). Shalom, Marilyn
FROM CAPS....Marilyn here is some additional infor. re what day and year the crucifixion was on. I previously sent infor. re the 70 weeks of Daniel. I believe that the ministry of Jesus started in 27 A.D. and lasted 3 1/2 years ending with crucifixion in 31A.D. I believe Jesus "confirmed the covenant with many" and was "cut off" in the middle of the "week"--literally on a WEDNESDAY, the middle day of the week----and also in the "middle" of the 70th week of Daniel---i.e. after 3 1/2 years of ministry. Futhermore, the account of the EXODUS in Numbers 33 shows that Israel left Egypt on Nisan 15, leaving Rameses that day and camping at Succoth. See EX 12-14 which proves that the day of leaving Egypt was Nisan 15. On the 16th of Nisan they journeyed from Succoth to Etham and camped there. See Numbers 33:6. The next day, the 17th day of Nisan, they left Etham and went to the Red Sea--where that evening the Egyptians overtook them.The account in Exodus ch. 14 shows it was this day-late at evening-that the Red Sea was opened, and for the night as well. The NEXT DAY the celebration took place recorded in Ex. ch. 15. They sang the Song of Moses.
I believe this was the EXACT TYPE of the THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS Jesus was in the grave. We know from Luke's gospel that the Resurrection was already accomplished before Sunday morning. John 20:1 shows " it was still dark" when Mary Magdelene arrived at the EMPTY tomb. Jesus was already risen. "He is not here, he is risen"..the angel reported. The TYPOLOGY then becomes EXACT with that of the Exodus ! Nisan 17, that year was the 7th day of the week--Saturday. The CELEBRATION of the of the Ressurrection is the next day--Sunday. Sunday then, is the FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS--the day of the ascension of Jesus to heaven /as firstfruits. This year in 1999 the same days of the week "line up". Nisan 14 is on a Wednesday...Nisan 17 is on a Saturday. Remember also that the person who was "cleansed" with the Red Heifer was Finally cleansed on the 7th DAY--AT EVENING. Could the 7th day at evening be the Rapture ?...
> I believe that the ministry of Jesus started in 27 A.D. and lasted
> 3 1/2 years ending with crucifixion in 31A.D.
I don't agree on this one. I am convinced that Jesus was crucified in 30 AD, 40 years (see Ezek. 4:6) before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in 70 AD. All those things were to come upon "this generation" (Mt. 23:36). A generation is 40 years. I think it was on Thursday, Nisan 13, Preparation Day for Passover, which was Nisan 14. The "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40) were Thursday day, Friday night then day, Saturday night then day, and Sunday night. Remember that to the Jews, night precedes day.
Luke 24:21 says, "to day is the third say SINCE these things were done." Sunday (Lu. 24:1) was the third day since the Thursday Crucifixion: (1) Friday, (2) Saturday, (3) Sunday. Night precedes day. Therefore, Jesus arose Sunday night. That was before the women went to the tomb in the morning.
Consider these things:
1. The temple was begun in BC 20/19. It was 46 years in building (Jn.2:20) at the first Passover of Jesus' ministry, 27 AD.
2. Jesus was born in BC 5. The wise men visited him in BC 3, and Herod died in BC 1.
3. Jesus was about 30 in 26 AD. This was the 15th year of Tiberius' rule. He became Co-Rex with Augustus in 12 AD and was practically sole ruler over Palestine from that time on. Augustus concerned himself with other parts of the realm. Tiberius became Sole-Rex in 14 AD.
4. Jesus was baptized near Tishri 1 in 26 AD. The first Passover was 27 AD, the second 28 AD, the third 29 AD, and the fourth 30 AD.
If you put these on a spreadsheet, as I have done, it is easy to see that everything fits perfectly.
> I believe Jesus "confirmed the covenant with many" and was "cut off" in
> the middle of the "week"--literally on a WEDNESDAY
I think the "prince that shall come (the False Prophet)...shall confirm (gabar, be stronger) the covenant (peace covenant) with many (united nations) for one week (the 7-year Tribulation): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Trib) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (Dan. 9:26,27). As soon as Satan is cast out of Heaven to Earth, he will indwell the False Prophet and sit in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). This is the day he kills the two witnesses after 1260 days (Rev. 11:3) of the Tribulation have rolled by. There are still 1260 days to go (Rev. 12:14).
I disagree with a Wednesday crucifixion. If there had been an extra day between the two sabbaths, the women could have taken the spices to the tomb that day instead of waiting until Sunday.
According to Jewish calendar laws in use now, Passover can only fall on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. If the same calendar was used then, and the chances are good that it was, this eliminates a Wednesday crucifixion.
FWD: Newsletter dated October 28, 1998 from Ron Reese of Maranatha Ministries
"Was This the Confirming of the Covenant of Daniel, Chapter 9?
"I am sure that the majority of end-time Bible prophecy scholars will attempt to give you several reason why they think it was not. I urge you to please take the time to read why I believe the CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT ON OCTOBER 23, 1998 WAS THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 9:27. It is my opinion that WE HAVE JUST ENTERED THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL!..."
I do not think the WYE Memorandum was the confirming of the final 7-year peace covenant. It was an interim agreement that is to be confirmed (gabar, be stronger) and be signed by many (probably the united nations) after the Rapture. The final treaty is to be signed by a Roman (Dan. 9:26,27). Neither Arafat nor Netanyahu qualify as a Roman. We are not in the Tribulation. I think we are still in the seven good years.
Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed, was the beginning of the seven good years and the seven bad years (Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 = 2000) (Sept. 13, 2000 + 7 = Sept. 13, 2007). I think the final treaty will be signed on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. That will reveal who the two beasts of Rev. 13 are and kick off the Tribulation.
FWD: VATICAN PUSHES FOR FUTURE SPECIAL INTERNATIONAL STATUS FOR JERUSALEM
October 29, 1998, Israel Wire reported on Monday:
"Vatican Foreign Minister Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran said Jerusalem was too sacred for its future to be decided only by Israelis and the PLO Authority (PA). 'The Holy See believes in the importance of extending the representation at the negotiating table in order to be sure that no aspect of the problems is overlooked and to affirm that the whole international community is responsible for the uniqueness and the sacredness of this incomparable city,' Tauran said. In a speech during a visit to Jerusalem, Tauran said Israelis and Palestinians -- due to decide the future of the city holy to Jews, Moslems and Christians in so-called final- status talks -- must consider other interested parties. 'The meaning and value of Jerusalem are so great, are so unique, that they go beyond the interests of one state or beyond bilateral agreements between one and another states,' he said. 'It is essential that the parties to the negotiations take fair and appropriate account of the sacred and universal character of the city. 'This requires that any possible solution should have the support of the three monotheistic religions, both at the local level and at the international level,' said Tauran, attending a church conference in East Jerusalem.
I could see this coming to pass. Rev. 11:1,2 says, "AND there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." This 42 months is the first half of the Tribulation.
Makes me think of Isa. 9:15: "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." Things are coming together.
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