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Update from Jerusalem (Bridges for Peace)
1) AGREEMENT REACHED AT WYE
On October 23rd Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu signed an agreement with PLO leader Yasser Arafat detailing the next redeployment in Judea and Samaria. Talks had gone on for nine days at Wye Plantation THE AGREEMENT: Key provisions of the agreement by Israel and the PLO are:...[The full text of the agreement may be found at:
http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/peace/wye.html]...
4) ISRAEL AND JORDAN SIGN AGRICULTURAL AGREEMENT
Israel and Jordan signed an agricultural cooperation agreement, on October 27, 1998...
It initiates a model project in which Awassi sheep from Israel, along with the appropriate technology and equipment, will be sent to Jordan in order to establish a herd in the southern part of that country. The aim is to improve the genetic composition of the sheep and the yield of sheep's milk and dairy products.
The project, which will cost about $250,000, is a further example of the ongoing cooperation between Israel and Jordan, following the signing of the peace treaty four years ago....

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FROM CAPS. MARILYN--IF I RE-CALL CORRECTLY YOU SAID IN YOUR BOOK,END OF THE AGE, THAT PASSOVER COULD ONLY OCCUR ON MON. WED.,OR FRIDAY,OR SAT. IN 31 A.D NISAN 14 WAS ON A WED.YOU ASSERT THAT THE CRUCIFIXION WAS ON THURS. NISAN 13. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE ! THE PASSOVER LAMB WAS FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAIN KILLED ON THE 14TH OF NISAN AT EVEVING; RIGHT BEFORE THE 15TH STARTED. THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR OR MY OPINION. THAT IS WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS. READ IT FOR YOOURSELF. EXODUS12:6"...AND YOU SHALL KEEP IT (THE LAMB) UNTIL THE 14TH(OF NISAN) AND KILL THE LAMB IN THE EVENING." YOU WILL BE HOPELESSLY CONFUSED IF YOU CANNOT SEE THIS SIMPLE TRUTH. DOES YOUR BIBLE READ THE SAME AS MINE? THERE IS NO REASON TO DISCUSS FURTHER DETAILS IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT THE PASSOVER LAMB--AND THEREFORE JESUS-- WAS KILLED ON THE 14TH OF NISAN AT EVENING--ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. THE 14TH WAS NOT A HIGH DAY SABBATH AND WAS NOT THE "FEAST DAY". IT WAS CALLED THE PREPARATION DAY SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PASSOVER LAMB WAS KILLED ON THAT DAY AND "PREPARED" TO BE EATEN STARTING ON THE NIGHT OF THE 15TH OF NISAN--WHICH STARTED THE DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT??????

My reply

On this, it might be better to agree to disagree. This is not going to help us figure out things here at the end of the age. In my last email, I said maybe the present Talmudic rules were used in 30 AD, not that it was for sure.

You are thinking like a Gentile, in terms of our days. In spite of our day starting at midnight, we are accustomed to thinking that the daylight comes before the night portion. We crawl out of bed in the morning, and to us, that is the new day. When it gets dark, that is the night of that day.

To Jews, the night portion precedes the daylight portion. There are first twelve hours of night, then twelve hours of day.

When they killed the lamb in the evening of Nisan 14, it was during the night portion. There were still twelve hours of day left of Nisan 14. If you forget this and say that they killed the lamb at the end of the 14th, instead of at the beginning of the 14th, you have skipped about a whole day in your thinking.

At 6:00 PM (or sunset), Nisan 14 began. The next morning was still Nisan 14. At 6:00 PM, Nisan 15 began. The next morning was still Nisan 15. There is night (12 hours) then day (12 hours) for every date (24 hours total). Gen. 1:5 sets it for the whole Bible. It says, "And the evening and the morning were the first day."

> THE 14TH WAS NOT A HIGH DAY SABBATH AND WAS NOT THE "FEAST DAY"

The Passover is a high day. It is the first of the pilgrim festivals. It is the day they were passed over by the death angel in Egypt. It is a feast day.

Both of these days are feast days. Lev. 23:5,6 says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread."

> THE 14TH WAS NOT A HIGH DAY
> SABBATH AND WAS NOT THE "FEAST DAY". IT WAS CALLED THE PREPARATION DAY
> SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PASSOVER LAMB WAS KILLED ON THAT DAY AND "PREPARED" TO BE
> EATEN STARTING ON THE NIGHT OF THE 15TH OF NISAN

Nisan 13 was the preparation day for the Passover, which was Nisan 14. Since the lamb was to be eaten as soon as the 14th started, it was killed at the temple in the afternoon of Nisan 13 so it could be ready to be eaten at 6:00 PM as Nisan 14 began.

In Egypt, the Lord came at midnight on Nisan 14. There is only one midnight on the 14th. It is six hours after the 14th starts at 6:00 PM. If they had waited until the night of the 15th to eat the lamb, they would have died at midnight on the 14th. They would have been one day late.

Ex. 12:42 41-43,51 says, "And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. It is A NIGHT to be much observed (a feast) unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: THIS IS THAT NIGHT OF THE LORD TO BE OBSERVED OF ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL IN THEIR GENERATIONS. And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE OF THE PASSOVER....And it came to pass the selfsame day, that the LORD did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies." Ex. 12:6-13 says, "And ye shall keep it (the lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening (lit. between the two evenings). And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh IN THAT NIGHT (Nisan 14), roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it....And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning (of Nisan 14)...And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: IT IS THE LORD'S PASSOVER. For I will pass through the land of Egypt THIS NIGHT (Nisan 14), and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt...And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you." The Lord passed over them in the night of Nisan 14. He told them, "none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning" (of Nisan 14) (Ex. 12:22). "And it came to pass, that AT MIDNIGHT (the 6th hour of Nisan 14) the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt...And Pharaoh rose up IN THE NIGHT (of Nisan 14)...And he called for Moses and Aaron BY NIGHT (of Nisan 14), and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel: and GO...Also take your flocks...and BE GONE...And the Egyptians were URGENT upon the people, that they might send them out of the land IN HASTE; for they said, We be all dead men. And the people took their dough before it was leavened (because of the haste in which they were forced to leave) (Ex. 12:19-34). This is why they were to have their loins girded and their shoes on their feet and their staff in their hand. They were forced to leave that night. There was no time to leaven their dough.

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FWD: From CAPS. MARILYN--FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: THIS INFOR. IS FROM "LAMB AND LION MINISTRIES"
> One of the most remarkable and important prophecies in the Bible is found in
> Daniel 9:24-27. It is the cornerstone of Messianic prophecy because it
> establishes the timing of both the First and Second Advents of the Messiah....

***From Marilyn: I believe the First Advent was on Tishri 1 in 5 BC and the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21) in 2008 AD. I also believe that the Crucifixion was on the day of preparation, Nisan 13, Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (4072 AH).

> ...In this key passage from
> Daniel, the context makes it clear that he is speaking of years - seventy
> sevens of years, which would be a total of 490 years....
> The 490 year period will also 'bring in everlasting
> righteousness." This undoubtedly refers to the establishment of the
> Messiah's earthly reign when the earth will be flooded with peace,
> righteousness and justice as the waters cover the sea.
...When did that period begin, and when did it
> end? It is when Daniel addresses these questions that he begins to give
> clues as to the timing of the First and Second Advents of the Messiah.
> The prophecy says that the starting point of the 70 weeks of years
> will be "the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem" (Daniel
> 9:25)....
> The crucial question relates to when the decree was issued "to
> restore and rebuild Jerusalem." There are three possible dates:
> * 538 B.C. - Cyrus, King of Persia, issued a decree to Zerubbabel to
> rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-3; and Ezra
> 6:1-5).
> * 457 B.C. - Artaxerxes, King of Persia, issued a decree to Ezra
> authorizing him to reinstitute the Temple services, appoint judges and
> magistrates, and teach the Law (Ezra 7:11-26).
> * 445 B.C. - Artaxerxes issued a decree to Nehemiah to rebuild the
> walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1-8).
> On the surface, the third decree, the one issued to Nehemiah, seems
> to be the most obvious candidate for the starting date of the prophecy, for
> it is the only one that specifically relates to the rebuilding of the city.
> For that reason, most commentators have selected it as the beginning of the
> 70 weeks of years.

***We have to go by what God said: "That saith of CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid" (Isa. 44:28).

***Martin Anstey, in "The Romance of Bible Chronology," Vol. 1, p. 278-293, found an 82 year mistake in Ptolomy's chronology in the Persian Empire period. The usual secular date given for Cyrus' decree is BC 536 (Ussher). The year 536 - 82 = BC 454 (3589 AH), the date from which to figure (483 years, Dan. 9:25 - BC 454 +1 because there is no zero year = 30 AD).

> The Events of the 70 Weeks of Years
> Daniel's prophecy next states that the 490 years will be divided
> into three periods as follows: seven weeks (49 years) plus sixty-two weeks
> (434 years) plus one week (7 years). He states that at the end of the first
> two periods (69 weeks or 483 years), the Messiah will be "cut off," a
> seemingly clear reference to the crucifixion. He then states that both
> Jerusalem and the Temple will be destroyed.
> The prophecy concludes by focusing on the last week of years. It
> says that following the death of the Messiah and the destruction of
> Jerusalem, "the prince who is to come" will make a covenant with the Jewish
> people that will enable them to reinstitute their sacrificial system. This
> prince will come from the same people who destroyed the Temple (the Romans).
>
> We know from 2 Thessalonians 2 that this ''prince who is to come" is
> the Antichrist, the "man of lawlessness" who is "the son of destruction."
> The same passage makes it clear that his covenant will enable the Jews to
> rebuild their Temple.
> Both passages - Daniel 9 and 2 Thessalonians 2 - establish the fact
> that in the middle of this 70th week (3* years into it) this "prince who is
> to come" will double cross the Jewish people. He will march into the rebuilt
> Temple and declare himself to be God. He will stop the sacrifices and he
> will erect "an abomination of desolation," most likely an idol of himself.
> The book of Revelation specifies that the Messiah will return to earth 3*
> years after this desolation of the Temple takes place.
> Now we have the timing of the two advents of the Messiah. He will
> come the first time at the end of 483 years and will be "cut off" before the
> Temple is destroyed. He will return the second time at the end of a seven
> year period that will begin with a treaty that allows the Jews to rebuild
> their Temple and reinstitute the Mosaic system of sacrifices.
> Calculating Dates
> ...the Jews in Daniel's time did not think in terms
> of 360 day years. Nor did Daniel. If you will look at Daniel 9:1-2 you will
> see that shortly before he was given the 70 Weeks of Years prophecy by
> Gabriel, he discovered Jeremiah's prophecy that the Babylonian captivity
> would last 70 years. He realized immediately that he was very near the end
> of those 70 years.
> The indication of this passage is that Daniel interpreted Jeremiah's
> prophecy of 70 years to be 70 regular years as defined by the Jewish
> lunar/solar calendar. And again, if his subsequent prophecy about the 70
> weeks of years was to have any meaning to the Jewish people, it had to be
> understood in terms of regular years, not "prophetic years" of 360 days
> each.
> Why then would there be a difference between the first 483 years and
> the last seven? I suspect it may relate to a statement made by Jesus in
> Matthew 24. He said the 70th week of Daniel will be "cut short" lest all
> life on earth be destroyed during that terrible period of tribulation
> (Matthew 24:22).
...I also believe that the best starting point for the prophecy is the
> decree issued to Ezra in 457 B.C.

***It should be BC 454.
...
> Now, using Ezra's decree as the staring point (457 B.C.), if we
> count forward 483 years we will arrive at 27 A.D. (There is only one year
> between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D.) According to the translator of Josephus, the
> Jewish new year that began in the fall of 27 A.D. marked the beginning of
> the last Jubilee Year that the Jews enjoyed in the land before their
> worldwide dispersal by the Romans in 70 A.D. This is most likely the year
> that Jesus began His public ministry....

***I think he was baptized in 26 AD. The first Passover of his ministry was in 27 AD.

> The Relationship of the Resurrection
> Further evidence that this date is correct is the fact that it would
> place the end of Jesus' 3* year ministry in the spring of 31 A.D. And that
> happens to be the most likely year of the crucifixion.

***Ezek. 4:6,7 says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year...set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem." Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in 70 AD. That year - 40 = 30 AD. Daniel's 483 years end up at 30 AD. Another 40 years of testing end with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

***It seems that the Crucifixion could not have been earlier or later than 30 AD. The power of capital punishment was taken away from the Jews 40 years before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. If Christ had been tried by them before 30 AD, they could have put him to death themselves. Afterward is the 40 years of testing and probation.

> Most scholars have tried to place the crucifixion in either 30 or 33
> A.D. because these are the only two years in the time frame of Jesus' death
> when Passover fell on Friday. The belief that Jesus was crucified on a
> Passover that fell on Friday is based on a statement in Mark 15:22 which
> says the crucifixion took place on "the day of preparation before the Sabbath."

***I think he means Mark 15:42. Verses 42 and 43 say, "And now when the even was come (Friday, Nisan 14, came at 6:00 PM), because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath (this is the Saturday Sabbath), Joseph of Arimathaea...craved the body of Jesus." There was a preparation day (Thursday) for the Passover (Friday) and a preparation day (Friday) for the Saturday Sabbath.

***Lu. 23:53,54 says, "he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre...And that day was the preparation (Friday), and the sabbath (Saturday) drew on."

***John 19:13,14 says, "Pilate...brought Jesus forth...And it was the preparation of the passover," therefore Thursday, Nisan 13.

***John 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation (Thursday, Nisan 13), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day [Passover, Nisan 14],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

***What confuses some is Mark 14:12, "And the first (prote, before, prior) day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover." The scrupulous Jews searched their houses for leaven (at the Bediqath Hametz) in the afternoon of Nisan 12. This in effect, gave them eight days of unleavened bread. The first one was the prior day.

> But this statement does not necessarily mean that the crucifixion
> took place on a Friday. Such an assumption is rooted in Gentile ignorance
> about Jewish feast days. What the Gentile church has failed to recognize
> over the centuries is that the first day after Passover is a feast day, or
> "High Sabbath," because it is the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened
> Bread. It is considered to be a Sabbath regardless of what day of the week
> it falls on (Numbers 28:16-18).

***Passover is also a feast day. It is a "High Sabbath."

***On Palm Sunday, Jesus presented himself as king and was rejected by most. Monday was when he cursed the fig tree. "After two days (Wednesday, Nisan 12, and Thursday, Nisan 13) was the feast of the passover (Nisan 14)...But they said, Not on the feast day (not on Nisan 14, Passover), lest there be an uproar of the people (Mk. 14,1,2)." It is clear that the Passover was still future during the trials. "They...went not into the judgment hall...that they might eat the PASSOVER" (Jn. 18:28). Therefore, I think the Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13.

> The Gospels make it clear that the crucifixion week had two
> Sabbaths. Mark 16:1 says a group of women bought spices to anoint the body
> of Jesus after the Sabbath was over. But in Luke 23:56 it says they bought
> the spices before the Sabbath and then rested on the Sabbath before
> proceeding to the tomb.
>
> In the year 31 A.D. Passover fell on Wednesday. Jesus was crucified
> that morning and buried that evening. The next day, Thursday, was a High
> Sabbath. On Friday, after the High Sabbath, the women bought the spices and
> then rested on the regular Sabbath (Saturday) before going to the tomb on
> Sunday morning.

***If the women could have brought the spices on a day between the two Sabbaths, they would not have waited until Sunday. I think the Crucifixion was on Thursday, the High Sabbath was the Passover on Friday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread was on the regular Saturday Sabbath. Therefore, the women waited until Sunday to bring the spices. That day was the Feast of Firstfruits.

> Further Collaboration
> The time span I am proposing from 457 B.C. to 27 A.D. is also
> supported by another amazing piece of evidence. Do you remember how Daniel
> divided the first 483 years into two periods of time, first 49 years and
> then 434 years? Why did he do that? Go back and re-read Daniel 9:25 and
> notice that he makes specific reference to the rebuilding of the city of
> Jerusalem. Did he divide the period into two parts to indicate that the
> rebuilding of the city would occupy the first 49 years?
> In a recent booklet entitled "The Daniel Papers," a publication of
> the Radio Bible Class, the author, Herb Vander Lugt, notes:
> According to Barnes and several other
> trustworthy Bible commentators, the historian Prideaux declared Nehemiah's
> last action in rebuilding the city occurred in the 15th year of the Persian
> ruler Darius Nothus (423 - 404 B.C.). His 15th year was the 49th year from
> the 457 B.C. decree. Josephus seems to support this idea in his remarks
> about the death of Nehemiah....

***We have to go by the decree of Cyrus, not Nehemiah (Isa. 44:28).

> For Christians, Daniel's prophecy should serve to underscore the
> supernatural origin of the Bible. It should also serve as confirmation that
> Jesus of Nazareth was the promised Messiah.
> For Jews, the prophecy should be deeply disturbing for two reasons.
> First, it clearly teaches that the Messiah had to come before the Temple was
> destroyed in 70 A.D. That means that either God failed to keep His promise
> or else the Jews missed recognizing their Messiah. Second, the prophecy
> clearly teaches that a terrible time of tribulation for the Jews still lies
> ahead.
> Moses said it would be a time of "distress" that would occur in "the
> latter days" (Deuteronomy 4:30). Jeremiah called it "the time of Jacob's
> distress" (Jeremiah 30:7). Daniel characterized it as "a time of distress
> such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time" (Daniel
> 12:1). Zechariah says two-thirds of the Jews will "be cut off and perish"
> during that terrible time (Zechariah 13:8).
> The process will be horrible. But the result will be glorious, for
> the remaining remnant will at long last turn their hearts to God, accept
> their Messiah, and cry out, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the
> Lord!"
---end of quote---
***Shalom and agape

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Re: Prayer is Powerful:
I have not been in touch for several months. I had enough time to keep up with Ed and his problem and pray for the both of you. I own a house that one of my sons and his wife live in with my two grandchildren. A water line broke and the house flooded (in the middle of the night.) I have been dealing with insurance, repair people, etc. Then we left the state to visit my other son whose wife had a baby. We came back and I started working on the upcoming election. Last Wednesday I began to bleed heavily from my rectum. My doctor put me in the hospital and called in another doctor. Both doctors were concerned as was my family. You know how that is, they think there is a greater than average of cancer but no one wants to say the word. I told the doctors and my family I did not have time to have cancer and the doctors could have one day to find out and patch me up so I could take care of my large responsibility in the election. Then I asked them if Democrats could have caused this problem. Not sure they saw the humor. My children and I prayed, the daughter's father is a Baptist minister and he gathered a number of ministers together in another part of the state and they prayed. The two doctors did the procedure to look inside the colon and there was a 5 inch piece of colon that was inflammed but not cancerous. I believe my dcctor was surprised that it was not cancer. It was truly an answered prayer. The doctors are hopeful that the area will heal on its own. If it does not they will have to go in and excise that part of the colon. Not a good thing but it is not cancer. I have not bled today and hope this continues. The doctors are giving me some vitamins, etc. that help blood coagulate so the area can continue to heal. God is good. I need to rest also and will do that after the election. Will write to you more often and pick up with you where I left off. Much love, Marcella Derrick

My reply

Yes. Prayer is powerful. I am sure glad it was not cancer. I added you to my prayer list. I'm sure others will too. Ed's mother, Millie Sparkes, was not so lucky. They found a slow-growing cancerous tumor in her intestines.

Ed called Millie at the hospital today and got a big surprise. She was allowed to go home. That's a shock to go directly from ICU home, especially with pneumonia in one lung. He talked to her at home and she did not feel very good though. I just want her to be able to experience the Rapture. She sure need our prayers; she has so many things wrong with her, pneumonia, the tumor, Leukemia, congestive heart failure, hiatal hernia. She has had six cornea transplants, is blind in one eye and legally blind in the other from macular degeneration. Hope the Rapture is soon. Her doctor calls her general condition fragile. Flying on a wing and a prayer comes to mind.

Take your rest. Your body needs it, and you know that. Agape

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...Some of your writers SEEM to think that the Holy Days are Jewish [Noah did't KEEP the Holy Days etc.] UNLESS I am MISREADING Lev 23 i beleive these are the "Feasts of God [Eternal]" which are observed by the Jews. The Holy Days were probably DESIGNATED as Milestones on God Blue Print [from before Creation]. Just a THOUGHT!...

My reply

...I think you are right about the feasts. It looks like the Lord planned everything before the world began and placed the feasts on the most important dates.

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