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Re: 70th Jubilee
Many suspect that the Jubilee, too, will prove to be prophetically significant, and we are approaching the 70th Jubilee!

I found this on a page on the Internet. Is this of any significance.
> http://www.yfiles.com/joshua.html

My reply

I read Chuch Missler's file, "Joshua and The Day the Sun Stood Still," and copied a few things to comment on here.

> (Re: the book of Joshua) "It is a prophetic anticipation of the Book of Revelation"

That is true.

> We may not realize this as we should, but no conflict, no crown. If we are truly
> Christians, then we will be in real warfare.

I can vouch for spiritual warfare.

> Many suspect that the Jubilee, too, will prove to be prophetically significant, and
> we are approaching the 70th Jubilee!

I figured from the Exodus in the Jewish Year 2231 (AH 2513, BC1530), as in my Bible Chronology. They were to keep the Jubilee after they were in the land. They were 40 years in the wilderness and by the time another ten years passed, the war was over and all soldiers were dismissed to return to their families. The Jubilee was to be announced on the preceding Day of Atonement and start the following Nisan 1.

Starting from the Jewish Nisan 1, 2231, I counted 49 year cycles because the 50th year was the first year of the new cycle. The first year would have been counted, thus the 49th year would have been 2279. The 50th year then was the first of a new cycle, so 2279 + 49 = 2328 + 49 + 49 etc........= Nisan 1, 5758 +1 = Nisan 1, 5759.

Since the first year is to be counted, a double check is to start with an assumed "zero year" of 2230, add 3528 (72 x 49), and you end up with 5758. That is the 49th year. Therefore 5759, the year we are now in, is the Jubilee Year, starting with next Nisan 1, the beginning of the Sacred Year.

Thus Nisan 1, 5759 (Mar. 18, 1999) starts the 72nd Jubilee, which would run to Nisan 1, 5760 (Apr. 6, 2000). If the Rapture is on Pentecost next May, it would be in the 72nd Jubilee Year. That is neat.

I also figured a Jubilee from May,1949 (5709), when Israel's War of Independence ended and she was accepted into the UN. The year 5709 + 50 = 5759. It may turn out to be prophetic all right. Things keep adding up.

> the Vatican positioning to lead a worldwide ecumenical movement and to internationalize
> the Temple Mount in Jerusalem we realize that the stage is being set for the big climax.

I agree.

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I was going to verify your 2300 days between the two Jewish feast days but I was first wanted to verify the biblical basis for this 2300 days. I found you had referenced the 2300 days in "Revelation 2000" on page 319, quoting from Daniel 8:10-14.

Let's put everything into historical perspective. Daniel is an exile in Babylon, the capital city of Persia, along with many of the other Jews. The book of Daniel was written between 605 and 530 BC. Chapter 8 gives future events as of that time. Verse 8 is as follows with my comments in parentheses.

8 Therefore the he goat (Alexander the Great) waxed very great: and when he was strong, (33 years of age, having conquered the whole world in only 13 years) the great horn was broken; (he died) and for it came up four notable ones (his four lieutenants) toward the four winds of heaven (divided the whole world between them, Antipater to the west, Lysimachus to the north, Ptolemy to the south, and Seleucus to the east).

How did this specifically effect the Jews? Under Persian rule, the Jews had been allowed more or less to continue worshiping their religion as recorded in Daniel. Alexander, in 331 B.C. defeated the Persian army at the Battle of Arbela, Babylon surrendered, and Alexander easily captured the Persian cities of Susa and Persepolis. He burned Persepolis and either killed or enslaved all of it's inhabitants. The previous two years he had captured the king of Persia, Darius III, captured Tyre, Gaza, and Egypt.

Now to Daniel 8, Chapter 13.
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, (caused by Alexander), to give both the sanctuary and the host (the Jews and Israelites to be under foreign domination) to be trodden under foot?

Daniel 8, Chapter 14.
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed, (Jerusalem no longer under foreign domination).

These 2300 days can be translated as 2300 years. Taking 331 for 331 BC and subtracting it from 2300 years yields 1969 years. To correct this to AD time, subtract another year because there was no 0 AD and another 3/4 year, for the Roman 1/2 year subtraction, and Parliament 1/4 year subtraction. This gives 1967 AD. In 1967 AD, for the first time in 2300 years, Jerusalem was no longer under foreign domination and was captured by the Jews on June 7, 1967. God Bless!

My reply

> Daniel 8, Chapter 14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days;
> then shall the sanctuary be cleansed, (Jerusalem no longer under foreign domination).
>
> These 2300 days can be translated as 2300 years. Taking 331 for 331 BC and
> subtracting it from 2300 years yields 1969 years. To correct this to AD time,
> subtract another year because there was no 0 AD and another 3/4 year, for the
> Roman 1/2 year subtraction, and Parliament 1/4 year subtraction. This gives
> 1967 AD. In 1967 AD, for the first time in 2300 years, Jerusalem was no
> longer under foreign domination and was captured by the Jews on June 7, 1967.

Dr. Tabor says "cleansed" means vindicated. Strong's 6663 has "tsadaq," to make right, justify, cleanse. Gesenius has to be declared just, to be vindicated from wrongs. Webster's "vindicate" has to lay claim to, avenge, protect from attack.

To protect from attack can be applied very well to June 7, 1967. That is an obvious application. To protect from attack can also be applied to 2007 for the final greater application. At that time the united nation's army will be attacking Israel Ezek. 38:6, "many people with thee;" Isa. 34:2, "all nations").

I don't know what your subtractions are, except I understand that there is no zero year. I never heard of a Parliament subtraction. To me, it seems that 2300 years - 331 BC years + 1 to make up for no zero year = 1970.

Here is what Dr. Tabor wrote me:
"Daniel 8 mentions a period (clearly beginning with Alexander the Great--see verse 5) of 2300 "days" (literally "evenings and mornings"), in which Jerusalem will be defiled by Gentiles, following which the sanctuary will be "vindicated" (literal translation of v. 14). If one does adopt here a day=year principle, it is rather amazing to note that from Alexander's defeat of the Persian Darius on Aretemisius 28 (Seleucid calendar) in 334 B.C.E., until June 7, 1967, does turn out to be 2300 years TO THE DAY. Since the Persians had allowed the Jews to return to the Land and rebuild Jerusalem and even the Temple, this defeat by Alexander was the beginning of 2300 years of mostly hostile Gentile domination of the area (Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Islamic, Crusader, Turkish)."

To me 2300 - 334 BC years + 1 to make up for no zero year = 1967. It seems that 334 BC is the correct date to start from.

Since the biggest all-out attack against Israel comes on the 2300th day of the Tribulation, I think the final application takes place on Sept. 13, 2007, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. The application in 1967 is a precursor (one that precedes and indicates the approach of another) of things to come.

During the first half of the Tribulation, the court of the temple and the city of Jerusalem are "tread under foot" by Gentiles (Rev. 11:2). In Mid-Trib, the False Prophet sits in the temple, "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He is in power until the 2300th day, when he will be deposed. "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword (Sword of the Lord, the asteroid) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened" (Zech. 11:17).

The final time for the sanctuary to be vindicated from wrongs is on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. On that day, the Lord will avenge. "For it is the day (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets) of the LORD'S vengeance (seven trumpet judgments), and the year (Jewish 5768) of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof (of Bozrah in the land of Idumea) shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever" (Isa. 34:8-10).

This is the "fire and brimstone from heaven" that destroys them all as in the day that Lot left Sodom (Lu. 17:29). The "great mountain (asteroid) burning with fire" of Rev. 8:8 will be cast into the Mediterranean Sea. "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant. And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks. And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah" (Zeph. 2:4-7).

"And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel: So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (sight, as in Ezek. 36:31; it is the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains (asteroids, Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground...Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known (seen) in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD" (Ezek. 38:18-23).

"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (it is Christ's Coronation Day in Heaven), and from the wrath of the Lamb (it is also the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven): For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:14-17).

"We give thee thanks O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (the Second Advent is not till the following Nisan 1, first day of the Jewish Regnal Year, Ezek. 19:17,21); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations (united nations) were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth" (Rev. 11:17,18).

June 7, 1967 was a small picture of what will take place on Sept. 13, 2007. Jerusalem will belong to the Lord and to Israel forever after. When Lot came out of Sodom and the fire fell from the heavens was also a small picture of what will happen on Sept. 13, 2007. It is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, and the sanctuary will be cleansed and vindicated.

"And seven months (5768 is a leap year) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD" (Ezek. 39:12). "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

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I am forwarding something I sent to the Doves Site for your info. Maybe soon!

Doves, With the recent developments regarding the Wye Agreement, and all the speculation about "confirming the covenant", I thought I would take this opportunity to remind you all of the dream I had back in June.
Specifically, I dreamed I saw the word "Pentecost" painted in white letters on the side of a barn wall (the wall was blue). Immediately afterwards, I saw the number(s) 9:23 - 9:27 flash in white. (Couldn't remember whether it was one of them or both...now I think both).
I say "dreamed" rather loosely, since I remember being groggy and half awake when I saw it. I put it out hoping somebody could help me figure it out, and John came back with the verses 9:23 and 9:27 in Daniel which speaks of the confirming of a covenant. Lately, everyone seems think the Wye Agreement may be that covenant. Maybe...
But my gut feeling is that until the agreement deals with the Jerusalem issue, it's not confirmed yet. This is slated for May 1999. Hmmm, that's interesting....
Regarding the "Pentecost" word in my "dream" .... Pentecost is in May 1999.
No, I am not setting a day or hour... just a possible month or season! Keep looking up!

My reply

That's interesting. I think the final seven-year covenant will be signed as the Seventieth Week of Daniel begins on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001. This peace treaty will be signed by "many" (Dan. 9:27) (probably of the united nations), including the Beast and False Prophet.

Isa. 9:13-15 says, "For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6). Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush in one day (the Feast of Trumpets in 2007). The ancient and honourable, he is the head (the Beast, the seventh head of the great red dragon): and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail (indwelt by Satan)." The False Prophet will then speak "as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11).

The ancient and honourable (among men) is "the prince that shall come" (Dan. 9:26), whose people (the Romans) destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. The people "worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? (the Pope) who is able to make war with him?...and power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS (made head of the World Government when he rides the white horse of Rev. 6:2). And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (head of the World Church), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb (i.e., other religions)...If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword (when he rides the second horse, Rev. 6:4) must be killed with the sword (the one that goes out of Christ's mouth, Rev. 19:15) (Rev. 13:4-10).

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I have a question that's been nagging me for a few years now. I keep running across "age of accountability" in reference to unrepented sin (in the case of a death) or in being taken during the rapture. I have run across "12 year olds" a number of times and just recently "2 to 8 year olds" in one of your recent pro-cons. I have searched, but have been unable to find references to any of these ages in The Bible. What is the difference between 0-2 year olds and 2-8 year olds? Or for that matter what is the difference between 8 and 12 year olds. The only age I've been able to find is 20, but obviously God holds people under the age of 20 accountable. The OT provided for the stoning to death of people under 20 due to disobeying their parents. Also the NT has a strong warning to those who cause a young one to fall. It seems to me if a young one can fall they can be damned. I'm a recent studier of The Bible and have perhaps missed something everyone else is taking for granted. Could you please tell me your take on the "age of accountability" from a scriptural point of view. Those of us with children in this wicked age have a burning interest in this issue. Thank You and God Bless You

My reply

> Could you please tell me your take on the "age
> of accountability" from a scriptural point of view.

The Jews consider 13 the age of acountability. That is when they have their Bar Mitzvah (or Bat Mitzvah). When Jesus was 12, he was taken to the temple to learn what he needed to know for his upcoming Bar Mitzvah. Lu. 2:42-47 says, "when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast (his birthday was on the Feast of Trumpets, the next pilgrimage feast was the Feast of Tabernacles)....after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers."

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The discussions about the actual day of the crucifixion have been interesting. You certainly have logic on your side. God bless you greatly. Love

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...I know 7 is the Lord's number. Since the phrase "Lord Sabaoth" means Lord of Armies then Jesus will deliver us in a mighty way...riding a white horse into battle....white horse might be a white cloud!

Anyway, I wanted to get your opinion on the meaning of Luke 21:35-36. As I was reading it, I saw for the first time this part of the text: "for it will come upon all who dwell upon the face of the whole earth." Then verse 36 says: "But watch at all times, praying that you may have the strength to escape all these things that will take place, and to stand before the Son of man." Harper Study Bible

Both verses indicate that the whole earth will experience these events. The events that precede that verse are signs in the sun and the moon, the sea and waves roaring, men fainting from fear, distress of nations, and the heavens being shaken. This is what one would expect to happen after a great earth quake as there are often huge tidal waves. If the moon is thrown out of wack then the tides will be even more unpredictable. If the sun is dark then we have no lights in the sky on both sides of the earth. All the stars falling from heaven at the same time all over the world would cause any sane person to be afraid. These are the signs we should expect just before Jesus rolls back the sky like a scroll. Jesus says when we see all these things look up for your redemption is drawing near. Since Jesus did not say we would be lifted out of here before all this happens, that means we will see it happen if we are alive. Our redemption draweth near after these things happen.

Doesn't this all sound like Revelation 6:12? Doesn't this "it" refer to the tribulation? Isn't the tribulation a time of great distress and worry about one's spiritual acceptance before God? The time of Jacob's trouble, to me, is when Jacob did not know what was going to happen to him...whether he would escape or whether he would be destroyed by the angel. He wrestled all night with that anguish.

Thus we would feel the same way during all of these things. Wondering when our escape would come...looking up and waiting for our redemption. The reason I keep coming back to this point is that when the saints speak from under the seat of the altar in Rev. 6: 9-12 or the fifth seal, they are told they "must rest a little while longer until their fellow-servants also and their brethren that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." I gather from this that the people who are considered fellowservants are those who are slain for the word of God. These slain saints have to be people who are considered believers and who will go through the tribulation since the tribulation occurs after the 6th seal and the judgement seat is set up in the 7th seal.

By the way, if we use a day for a year, why isn't half an hour equal to 7.5 days?

I am still a pre-wrather and continue to believe the believers will see the tribulation but not the wrath of God. Just the interpretation of the word "strength" verses "accounted worthy" can make a big difference in one's understanding. Strength implies endurance. Accounted worthy implies spiritual readiness....to go into battle, as they say. But maybe it means both will be required of those of us who remain! Among the Faithful Many

My reply

> white horse might be a white cloud!

And maybe not. Jesus did ride into Jerusalem on a literal donkey at the First Advent.

> "for it will come upon all who dwell upon the face of the whole earth."

The Tribulation is the trial that will come upon the whole Earth. Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." We won't be on the Earth during this trial.

The shortened Tribulation ends on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14). It is the day Christ is given his golden crown in Heaven. The Marriage of the Lamb follows. Those are the Bride of Christ that were caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation to keep them "FROM" the Tribulation. Then the Tribulation saints are caught up, and the Judge is seated. At that Judgment Seat of Christ, believers in Heaven are given their rewards for belief and those remaining on Earth are given their just rewards for their unbelief.

Rev. 11:15-18 explains, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats (thrones), fell upon their faces, and worshipped God" We are represented by these elders, who were seen in Heaven before the Tribulation began in Rev. 6.

Continuing, it says, "...thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations (on Earth) were angry (Israel is being attacked, Ezek. 38), and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

Lu. 21:36, in the KJV, says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Those that are worthy to be the Bride of Christ are worthy to "escape" (ekpheugo, to vanish from) ALL the things of the Tribulation.

> Jesus says when we see all these things look up for your redemption is drawing near.

I think it has the word "begin" in it. That word makes a world of difference. Lu. 21:28 says, And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." What is the beginning of end-time events? Lu. 21:9-11 says, "But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by (immediately). Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom aginst kingdom: And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven."

We have had two world wars, earthquakes have increased dramatically and famine and pestilence is with us. Nicaragua has 1500+ dead because a crater lake overflowed from the rain brought by Hurricane Mitch and sent mud and rock hurtling down the sides of a volcano, burying ten villages. We have just seen John Glenn go back to space. Besides recent comets winging by, we will have a meteor shower Nov. 17 that is expected to be the most intense since 1966. We have seen the Oslo Accords and the Wye Memorandum signed. The Marc is being distributed. We should be able to see that the end is closing in fast. When these things begin, we can see that the Rapture is near. The stronger seven-year peace agreement signing will kick off the Tribulation. I think that will be on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. We are to be kept from it. This makes the Rapture near at hand.

> Our redemption draweth near after these things happen.

Not "after," before. The Church saints are caught up in Rev. 4:1. The Tribulation saints are caught up in Rev. 7:14. They are caught up the same day as God's Wrath is poured out, so they do have some small stuff happening right before they leave. What they see is described when the sixth seal breaks. They leave between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. However, the Bride of Christ is taken up to Heaven before any of that happens. She is visiting her habitation (Job 5:24) before the first seal is broken.

> the sea and waves roaring, men fainting from fear, distress of nations,
> and the heavens being shaken. This is what one would expect to happen
> after a great earth quake as there are often huge tidal waves.

This is on the Day of God's Wrath. All believers are in Heaven by this time. The "great mountain burning with fire" (an asteroid) of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5), causing a huge tsunami. The "great star (aster, asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" will wipe out Babylon. There will be a worldwide earthquake, and every wall will fall (Ezek. 38:20). The whole Earth will be turned upside down (Isa. 24:1), causing the oceans to go out of control. This is the DAY of Jacob's trouble.

Dan. 12:1 says, "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time."

> These slain saints have to be people who are considered believers and who will go
> through the tribulation since the tribulation occurs after the 6th seal

The Tribulation starts with the first seal. God's wrath starts after the 6th seal, as the 7th seal is broken. Those are martyrs of the Tribulation.

> By the way, if we use a day for a year, why isn't half an hour equal to 7.5 days?

You could say that it was about 7.5 days, but a day is not always a year.

Your "accounted worthy" means "ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" before the Tribulation.

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