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Email Forwarded to me, Re: Rapture

I...Do see a lot of pointers to our end times..... Though I still feel strongly that we as a church and as individuals will see the tribulation occur. There is so much in the bible preparing us on how to survive and endure different persecutions, and what we should expect to see. It seems odd that that material would be written if were not going to be here.!!! There is a danger in telling and preparing people that all is going to be fine when we should be prepared otherwise. Hoping for a removal prior or doing the trib is fine if we also know that it is not a 'certain' scriptual thing. I feel that there is not any concrete scripture that points that way.I know the verses about us not being appointed to wrath; witnessing the trib does not necessitate wrath. Lets look at these verses; Mt. 24:29-31, "Immediately after the tribulation......(signs and wonders occur)...the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.....the Son of Man coming on the clouds.....And he will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect...(also in Mark 13:24-27) . The illustration of the days of Noah show that the bad people were taken away.Mt.24:36-39 The thief is coming not for those awake, but asleep. Then in Luke we read, 17:28-37, "Likewise as it was in the days of Lot:... on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.....wherever two are,one will be taken... And they answered and said to Him, Where Lord? So He said to them, Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." In Luke 21:13, "But it will turn out for you as an occasian for testimony." And Lk,21:18, "But not a hair of your head shall be lost." In verse 23 it speaks about the people who do not hearken,"For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people." In verses 27 and 28 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, Look up and lift your heads, because your redemption draws near." Rev. 2:10 shows the context in Rev. 3:10,and about our testing, and being kept safe through it. These are some, and there are more, but this is enough to show the importance that we teach endurance, perseverance and possible persecution for His names sake. "Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution." 2Tim.3:12

" We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22

Not all is doom and gloom for we do not know what God has prepared for those that love him!!!And that we are saved by grace!!!not of ourselves, it is the gift of God .Amen.

...I can't help but to have very mixed feelings on the Jews. I lean towards there not being anymore Jew or Greek...

Another's reply

...we'll soon know if those who are anticipating a "firstfruits" rapture are wrong. As you know they theorize that only those who are perfect, wearing spotless white garments will be in the firstfruits while carnal Christians who have allowed their garments to be soiled with careless living will be required to go through most of the tribulation. The options are about up: Charles Ryalls Oct. 2, 1997 Rosh Hashanna, and Agee May 30-31, 1998. Those are the last dates postulated as potentially possible as a "firstfruits" Bride of Christ rapture. Bill Wingo from Tulsa OK has written a small, very interesting book titled "Rapture Shock" which gives interesting detail on that theory. This really underscores the necessity for sanctification and living close to the Lord at all times....For sure, I want to be certain to go at the first possible date for a rapture. If possible, I prefer not to go through the tribulation, although I know that probably a majority of Christians will have to go through it. Those are the "barely saved", with robes soiled by yielding to temptation and by not maintaining CLOSE relationship with the Lord. These are those who just made a "decision" for Christ but never entered into real fellowship with the Lord. That's still better than going to hell, however, which is where those who have never believed on the Lord will spend eternity. I want to see as many saved as possible, even if they do have to go through the tribulation. It sure beats going permanently to hell, although most of those in the tribulation will think that they have at least been there....

My reply

...forwarded your email to me. I will answer as I see it.

> Though I still feel strongly that we as a church and as individuals will see
> the tribulation occur. There is so much in the bible preparing us on how to
> survive and endure different persecutions, and what we should expect to see.
> It seems odd that that material would be written if were not going to be here.!!!

Believers, the lukewarm Laodiceans (Rev. 3:14-22) plus "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Rev. 7:9) will be on Earth during the Tribulation. Those Christians especially need to know what is to take place.

We need to know what is to take place in order to be able to avoid it. Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36). The Philadelphians are worthy and so the "open door" is set before them (Rev. 3:8). The Laodiceans face a closed door (Rev. 3:20).

> Lets look at these verses; Mt. 24:29-31, "Immediately after the tribulation......(signs
> and wonders occur)...the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.....the Son of
> Man coming on the clouds.....And he will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
> and they will gather together His elect...(also in Mark 13:24-27)

I am glad you mentioned Mark 13:24-27. It makes this all clear. It says, "after that tribulation (2300 days [Dan. 8:14] of the Seventieth Week of Daniel 9:24f)...the stars of heaven shall fall (a binary asteroid will impact Earth in two places, Rev. 8:8,10)...then shall they see the Son of man (the 'sign of the Son of man,' Mt. 24:30)...And then ('after that tribulation') shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation Saints) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those who went to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Christ).

> The illustration of the days of Noah show that the bad people were taken away.Mt.24:36-39

Noah and all in the Ark were MARRIED. Even the animals went in two by two. They were all lifted up toward Heaven by water (symbol of the Spirit of God). The bad stayed on Earth and were destroyed. Even thus will it be in the first Rapture. The BRIDE of Christ will be lifted up to Heaven by the Spirit of God.

> The thief is coming not for those awake, but asleep.

That is true. Christ will come for those that were left behind the first time before Armageddon takes place. Rev. 16:15,16 says, "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments...And he gathered them together into a place called...Armageddon." We are supposed to watch to be able to know when Jesus is coming at the first Rapture so we will not have to wait until believers are gathered up at the second Rapture. In Rev. 3:3, he said, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."

> Then in Luke we read, 17:28-37, "Likewise as it was in the days of Lot:... on the
> day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed
> them all.....wherever two are,one will be taken... And they answered and said to Him,
> Where Lord? So He said to them, Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered
> together."

As it was in the days of Noah applies to the Bride of Christ who is caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. As it was in the days of Lot applies to the Pre-Wrath Rapture that will take place on the Day of God's Wrath, when the asteroid impacts Earth at noon.

When "a great mountain burning with fire" impacts the Mediterranean Sea, Ashkelon, Gaza, and the cities of the sea coast will be destroyed at noon, "For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast" (Zeph. 2:4,5).

When the "great star (aster)" falls "from Heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10), it will destroy Babylon. Rev. 18:20 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." When the False Prophet "is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating" (Job 20:23).

"Wherever the body (Body of Christ) is (they are in Heaven), there the eagles (high flying Tribulation saints) will be gathered together."

> Luke 21:13, "But it will turn out for you as an occasian for testimony." And Lk,21:18,
> "But not a hair of your head shall be lost."

Jesus was talking to his disciples there. He prefaced this with "But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony." The apostles will be twelve of the elders of Rev. 5. The other twelve are the tribes of Israel.

> In verse 23 it speaks about the people who do not hearken,"For there will be great
> distress in the land and wrath upon this people."

We want to hearken and be taken up in the first Rapture, not wait until the Day of God's Wrath. That will be the terror of terrors. Job 18:4,5,14,15 says that "in his anger", when "the rock be removed out of his place...the light of the wicked shall be put out....His confidence...shall bring him to the king of terrors. It shall dwell in his tabernacle, because it is none of his: brimstone shall be scattered upon his habitation."

> In verses 27 and 28 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power
> and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, Look up and lift your heads,
> because your redemption draws near."

When these things begin, "nation shall rise aginst nation...great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences: and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven" (Luke 21:10,11).

Today, we have war about to erupt in the middle east, about one earthquake per day somewhere in the world, dire famines, antibiotic resistant illnesses, and we saw the fearful sights when a string of comet pieces crashed into Jupiter causing explosions larger across than our Earth. So now, "Look up and lift your heads, because your redemption (Rapture I) draws near."

> Rev. 2:10 shows the context in Rev. 3:10,and about our testing, and being kept safe through it.

Those left behind will have tribulation ten years, from Rapture I in the Jewish 5758 to Rapture II in the Jewish 5768.

> this is enough to show the importance that we teach endurance, perseverance and possible
> persecution for His names sake. "Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus
> will suffer persecution." 2Tim.3:12 " We must through many tribulations enter the
> kingdom of God." Acts 14:22

We all have "many tribulations." Those left behind at Rapture I will suffer The Tribulation, the worst seven years since Adam was created.

You can go to Heaven with the Bride of Christ in Rapture I, you can go to Heaven with the rest of the Body of Christ in Rapture II, or you can stay behind and witness the end of civilization as we know it. This globe will be turned upside down. The choice is yours.

Isa. 24:1-7 says, "BEHOLD, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof....The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word....they have transgressed...Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth...the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

If we end up on Earth then, it won't be because we were not warned. It is all written down for us to read in Scripture.

We have been warned so we can make a wise choice. Does it still seem odd that that material would be written if we're not going to be here?

> I can't help but to have very mixed feelings on the Jews. I lean towards there not
> being anymore Jew or Greek

When God said Israel, he meant literal Israel, or Israelites. Only within the Body of Christ is there no Jew or Greek. We are all one body.

Another's second reply, Re: Rapture

I know that you are convinced that all currently living Christians unless they die first will we required to go through the tribulation. If all have to go through it, is it fair that through the millinnia Christians have lived close to God, died and went to be with the Lord without significant "tribulation"? Since the 1600s there has been little real "tribulation" for believers here in America, where they have to give their lives for The Lord. The extent of their tribulation has been ostracism as a form of "thorns in the flesh" mentioned by Paul. Few even have been beaten in the past 400 years. Few have gone hungry, much less starved as it may be in the tribulation and as it is over much of Africa and Asia for Christians today.

I recommend MJAgee's homepage as the best scriptural exposition on the concept of two raptures for the church. One does not have to agree with her to recognize the tremendous amount of study, prayer and effort she has dedicated to this task. Even if she is mistaken, and I hope and expect not, there are tremendous truths to be gleaned for Christians to use throughout the 70th week of Daniel. You are aboslutely correct in your supposition that there will be Christians throughout the 70th week.

You mentioned both Noah and Lot. Those were two different types of deliverance, and Jesus said that both were comparisons for end time Christians. I do not believe that the "Bride of Christ" can be spotted with this world as many Christians are. They are out there lying, drugging, stealing, cheating , fornicating, swearing etc. etc. Yet they have "made a decision" for Christ and believe that He is the Son of God who was resurrected from the dead. We are saved through mercy and grace, not of our own efforts. These people will not go to hell, according to Bill Wingo ("Rapture Shock") and MJAgee, but they must be cleansed and purified through the "fires" of the tribulation before they get their acts straight and begin to shape up to look like Christians, as we are commanded by Jesus to do. Do you think those people, in their continuing life of rebellion can be the Bride of Christ? What man would be willing to marry a filthy bride if he knew that she was fornicating with others? This is the state of the Laodicean church. The Philadelphia church is composed of those who are totally dedicated, body and soul, to the Lord Jesus Christ, and they will be in the Bride of Christ.

If the comparison of the translations of Enoch and Elijah are correct as two different raptures, then the Christians left behind will be like Elisha who saw Elijah go up and who asked for a double portion of the Lord's power. They'll need it to get through the tribulation.

The scriptures supporting this idea are available at MJ Agee's site... If you are convinced that you are right you are still my brother in Christ and I'll see you sometime in the Kingdom of the Lord.

Incoming Email, Re: correctness of 5757 Jewish year

I am enjoying your web page immensely. Something puzzles me however. If we are to accept the 6000 years of man on earth as a viable theory then according to the Jewish calendar (which states we are in the year 5757) we are short of the 6000 year mark by about 243 years. Is it possible that the end of the age will not occur until roughly that time (about 2240 A.D.)? I would expect the Jewish calendar to be a little closer to God's prophetic clock than the Gregorian one. Thanks so much for your input on my question.

My reply

The Jews did not start their calendar until 3761 B.C. I made out a chronology where I assigned minus Jewish years like we have B.C. years.

On this, Adam was created in 4044 BC. This year, 4044/43, would have been -283, or 283 BJE (Before the Jewish Era) on the Jewish Calendar. The 6000 years dates from when Adam left Eden and man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil. This countdown started in 4004/03 B.C., which would have been 243 BJE on the Jewish calendar. The coming Jewish Year 5758 is the 6000th year since Adam left Eden. It begins October 2nd, 1997, which is Tishri 1, the Jewish New Year.

Incoming Email

I emailed you about a month ago. But I had to send this to you. My husband was driving to work this morning listing to the radio. He cant remember the guest name, But he was talking about end times. Anyway. He said take 3 and divide it into 1998 and you get 666. The three being FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST. I thought that was really interesting. Just thought you would like to know that.

My reply

Thanks for thinking of me. I had heard this before. I wish Bob Ware would get back online. He found other interesting things about the number 1998. He found out that it is well marked mathematically. For one thing, it is in the middle of a LEAP--PRIME--MIDPOINT--PRIME--LEAP sequence. Here is something he wrote me:

"LEAP YEAR     1996
 PRIME YEAR    1997
 MIDPOINT      1998  /3    = 666
 PRIME YEAR    1999
 LEAP YEAR    + 2000 + 1999 = 3999 GEMATRIA OF GREEK ALPHABET
              _________
                 9990  /2    = 4995 GEMATRIA OF HEBREW ALPHABET"

Incoming Email, Re: Dispensations

I wrote you about a book called God's Arithmetic. I began reading it again and then I thought about the Dispensations you wrote about on your web page. I thought I might use the arithmetic in the book and compare it to your own. A double check of sorts of your math. Very interesting results. I did only the simplest of math; addition and one multiplication. Here are the results.

INNOCENCE - 40 years - (Adam in Garden) Four is the number for the First Creation and the Flesh. When applied to man it represents the Flesh in an unsaved state. The number 40 stands for trial or testing. This certainly applies to that time.

CONSCIENCE - 1616 years - (Adam to Noah) The total here is 14. Fourteen represents Salvation or Deliverence. 1+6=7, 7+7=14. If you multiply 7x7 you get 49, the number for the wrath of God. This seems contradictory, or is it? At the end of this time Noah was delivered at the same time God poured out His wrath. Are you starting to get the picture.

HUMAN GOVERNMENT - 427 years - (Noah to Abram) Add 4+2=7 and we come up with 13. (Now I started to get that tingly feeling.) We all know thirteen is the number associated with Sin, Rebellion or Depravity. The certainly repesents the time when man was allowed to govern himself. It is interesting that 13 follows 12 which signifies Divine Power. To go against Divine Power is to Rebel. God's math is all very logical as well as infinitely amazing.

PROMISE - 430 years - (Abraham to Moses) Adding these numbers together we get 7. Seven is the number of Completeness, Perfection, Bringing to an End. If you multiply 4x3 the answer is 12. Again, the number of Divine Authority. (Twelve follows 11 which is Judgement. God has the power to pass judgment on all of His subjects.) Twelve is three times four: three is for resurrection, and four is creation. Therefore, 12 would be an expression of the rule of the tribute "God over Creation". Without resurrection, we have no God over Creation.

LAW - 1559 years - (Moses to Jesus' Crucifiction) Adding these equals 20. Twenty is the number of Redemption.

GRACE - 1977 years - (Jesus' Ascension to 2nd coming) By adding 1+9+7+7 we get 24. Twentyfour is the number for Priesthood. In Revelation 4:4 John saw 24 elders sitting on 24 seats. Later, in Revelation 5:8-10 he heard them singing that Christ had redemmed them by His blood and had made them kings and priests unto God and Christ Jesus.

KINGDOM - 1000 years - (2nd coming to Great White Throne Judgement) Well, if we add this we come up with 1. One is the number of Unity, Harmony, One people/nation, peace and fellowship among them. Does this sound like what it will be like when Christ rules?

The total for manking is 7049 years. This is quite a number. It contains all kinds of variables. Seven for completeness, 49 for God's wrath, a total of 20 meaning redemption, 70 represents Israel's Captivity and Return.

There are so many numbers between 1 and 7049. Can anyone believe that it is mere cooincidence that each of these dispensations falls on a number that is wrought with meaning? God has His hand in everything. Every word and every letter and every number in the Word of God was in His mind before a line of it was ever written or before this universe was ever created.

I believe this double check should assure you that the times you figured on the dispensations is correct.

I will write the number meanings for you and to show just how many variables there are and how if one year of the dispensations was added incorrectly, it would have changed the meanings on all of them. This is good as a reference when doing Bible study. You may want to print it to put in your Bible. It's helped me.

1 - Unity, Harmony, One People/Nation
2 - Division, Separation
3 - Resurrection
4 - The First Creation / The Flesh in Sinful State
5 - Grace, (Comes after 4, man in sin is in need of Grace
6 - Satan, His influence
7 - Completeness, Perfection, Bringing to an End
8 - New Birth (Twice 4, Grace + Resurrection 5+3)
9 - Fruit of the Spirit / Spiritual Gifts
(After a new birth one receives the Fruit of the Spirit)
10 - The Law
11 - Judgement (Follows after a broken law)
12 - Divine Power, Rule or Authority
13 - Sin, Rebellion, Depravity (To go against Divine Authority is to Rebel)
14 - Salvation or Deliverance (Follows sin. The sinner is in need of Salvation)
15 - Rest (After Deliverance, we rest in Christ)
16 - Love (I Cor 13:4-8)
17 - victory
18 - Bondage or Binding
19 - Faith
20 - Redemption
21 - Exceeding sinfulness of Sin
22 - Light / Making Manifest
23 - Death
24 - Priesthood
25 - Forgiveness of Sins (5x5 Grace)
26 - Gospel
27 - Proclamation fo the Gospel and Prophesy
28 - Eternal Life
29 - Departure
30 - Blood
31 - Offspring or Seed
32 - Covenant
33 - Promise
34 - Endurance
35 - Hope
36 - Enemy (6x6 Satan)
37 - Exaltation
38 - Righteousness
39 - Truth
40 - Tribulation or Trial
41 - Deception
42 - Second Coming of Jesus
44 - Perdition
45 - Inheritance
46 - Second Death
48 - Tabernacle or Dwellinlg Place
49 - The Wrath of God
50 - The Spirit, Holy Ghost, and Israel's Jubilee
54 - The Security of the Believer
60 - Pride
66 - Image or Idol Worship
70 - Israel's Captivity and Return
70x7 - Israel's Complete and Final Restoration
77 - Vengeance
91 - Casting Out
99 - Seal
100 - The Elect
105 - Calling on the Name of the Lord
600 - Warfare
666 - Number of the Beast

The author gives innumerable verses as examples that support and explain each one of these. I thought this might be interesting to you and your studies. If you have any questions, I'd be glad to do my best to answer them. Please tell me what your impression is of the dispensation numbers.

My reply

This is very interesting. Thanks for all the work you did. I'll put this on the Web Page for all to see.

Email Forwarded to me

> > > ...Now as to two raptures and pre-trib rapture, it was not even a
> > > doctine till the mid 1800's. I forget who started it, but Scofield
> > > popularized it very much with his bible and commentary. None of the
> > > great writers of old taught or mentioned it.The last 150 years has
> > > brought many new teachings and ideas that have found itching ears to
> > > reside in.

> > > ...The bible does not speak of two raptures, but of the last trumpet of God,
> > > and the angels gathering the elect. Also note in John 5:28, 29, and
> > > 6:39, 40, 44, 54(please read these) speaking of the last day and the
> > > last hour, and elsewhere the last trumpet. Seems very definetive.{ to me
> > > !} (see also Dan. 12:2)
> > > 1 Thess. 4:16, "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a
> > > shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And
> > > the dead in Christ will rise first. V. 17, Then we who are alive and
> > > remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the
> > > Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." One more
> > > text would be 2 Thess 2:1-12, here Paul explains in very simple terms
> > > that the second coming would not take place... until the falling away
> > > comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who
> > > opposes all that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sits as God
> > > in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
> > > And not to beat a dead horse, but, Christ's discourse about His second
> > > coming when He says " ... after the tribulation.......the angels gather
> > > the elect. Mk. 13:24-27, and Mt.24:29-31
> > > What verse is there pointing to two of them(raptures).... I'm curious to
> > > the textbook response to that question if your obliging. Seriously. I
> > > want to learn if possible what leads you or others to this
> > > understanding. Your patience is greatly appreciated....I thank you for
> > > your responses, and look to the next...in Christ...

My reply

> > > Now as to two raptures and pre-trib rapture, it was not even a
> > > doctine till the mid 1800's.

Here is an ancient (between 373 and 629 A.D.) Pre-Trib rapture statement by Pseudo-Ephraem in his sermon "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World:"

"All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

> > > The bible does not speak of two raptures, but of the last trumpet of God,
> > > and the angels gathering the elect.

Here, we have to be "a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly DIVIDING the word of truth" (II Tim. 2:15).

If there is a last trumpet, there has to be a first trumpet. At the first trumpet call, the Lord himself gathers the saints. At the last trumpet, he sends his angels to gather the saints. They are two separate gatherings.

In Nu. 10:2, Israel was to "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver...that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them, ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

The first trumpet is the first Rapture, when "THE LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven with a shout" (I Thess. 4:16). This takes place in Rev. 4:1, after which the 24 elders are seen in Heaven. Twelve of those are the 12 apostles. The other 12 are "the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel." This is when they "shall gather themselves unto thee."

When the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:51,2 sounds, "ALL shall be changed." At this second Rapture, Christ will be in Heaven. It is the day he gets his golden crown, the day the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ take place. Therefore he sends "HIS ANGELS, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (Rapture II) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those who were taken to Heaven in Rapture I) (Mark 13:27).

> > > One more text would be 2 Thess 2:1-12, here Paul explains in very simple terms
> > > that the second coming would not take place... until the falling away
> > > comes first, and the man of sin is revealed

The word apostasia, here translated "falling away," means the departing, and was so translated in several early Bibles.
I agree with Avi Ben Mordechai in his assessmant of the Greek "apostasia" (departing) in II Thess. 2:3. On pages 328,9, in "Signs in the Heavens," he said, "Because Sha'ul was a biblical and talmudic scholar, I believe he understood apostasia to mean a 'violent snatching away.' Compare these root definitions of apostasia from Thayer's Greek lexicon...where of a whole some part is taken...Considering an ancient Hebrew perspective, the separation makes better sense when understood as a snatching away and not a falling away....He is saying the violent 'snatching-away' or separation (what many Bible translators call the rebellion or falling away) is really the resurrection and rapture. Sequentially, Sha'ul says this must happen first, and then the false mashiach will arise and deceive the people."

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee


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