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Dear Marylin this is my first time that i send an "e-mail" to you, the reason is, that my English, is not good and i am affraid that i will make many mistakes,and also that i will not make myself understood of what im talking about.I visit your web side regularly and read with great interest all the pro$con letters sent to you.Last week i viwed a tv show (phrophecy in the news)with J.R.Church and Gary Stearman and chapter,7 of Daniel was discussed.Chapter7:4,7:5,7:6,7:7,descrive Daniel vision of four great beasts(,king,gingdoms)wich J.R. says according to traditional teology rappresent the four great beast empire of the past,namely,(BABYLON -MEDO-PERSIA-GRECE and ROME).In verse 7:17 we read These great beasts,which are four in number,are four kings who will arise from the earth.Tho word (will, or, shall arise)denote future events J.R.went on explaining that at the time Daniel received this vision "Babylon"was about to disappear (or be destroyed)so it could not be one of the beast that shall "arise",in verse7:12 we read,"As for the rest of the beasts,their dominion was takrn away,but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed time.The meaning is that after the fourt beast of (chapter,11 )was destroyed, the other three beasts (the Lion,the,Bear,and Leopard)were aloud to go on in to the millenium,(chapter 7:13,7:14).So,based upon this,verses 7:4,5,6,7,should be undrstood as talking about,four end time "beasts"?In verse VERSE 7:4,we read,"The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle.I kept looking until its wings were plucked,and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet likr a man;a human mind(heart)also was given to it.COULD this be talking about "ISRAEL"?human mind,(or heart)denote intelligence,wisdom,(KING,POLYTICAL ENTITY) see EXOD.19:4-DEUT32:11,EZEK. 37:10,.In this century tho nation in particular were after the "JEWS" Germany tryed to destroy them,and Russia try to prevent them to go to the promised land.Could it be that the two great war of this century were fowght,world war,1, to PREPAIR THE PTOMISE LANDfor the people? and world war 2,to PREPAIR THE PEOPLE for the LAND?What happen after the second war?Vuala`the "LION"was made to stand up,that is life was given to it,wisdom,intelligence,political identity,another word it was possible to stand on in is own two feet,.J.R. and Gary convincingly believes that,RUSSIA is(the BEAR)and GERMANY is(the LEOPARD)it is interesting to note that the symbols on the german tanks in the wars leopard(called the panzers)also,the leopard has to have four "heads"Could it be that (the first,second, and third reich)each rappresent three head,?If this could be true,then there has to be a Fourt "reich",it is very interesting to follow Germany leaderhip in to the formation of EUROLAND,EURO common currency,another word Germany is the dryivinc force within EUROPE,.We know now that as previwsely thoght the ten kings of the fourt beast is not the European Union,but it is been devellopped now at the UNITS NATION.IT all fit,if this understanding is correct(of course the ultimate autority is the WORD of GOD )then, we have the LION,(ISRAEL?)the BEAR,(RUSSIA?),the LEOPARD,(GERMANY?),the fourt Beast,(THE NEW WORLS ORDER?).Please read this chapter, 7, of Daniel and see if all this could be true,i know that i did not give justice at what i saw and heard on the show,with a good explanation of this chapter and its possible different understanding.I have it on video tape and if you want view it ican send to you.I hope i have made mysellf understood,and not made many mistakes.in Christ

My reply

For someone learning English, you expressed yourself very well. I have no problem understanding. I am sure glad you didn't let that keep you from writing.

> according to traditional teology rappresent the four great beast empire of the
> past,namely,(BABYLON -MEDO-PERSIA-GRECE and ROME).In verse 7:17 we read These great
> beasts,which are four in number,are four kings who will arise from the earth.

I go along with traditional theology here. We do have to remember that a king and his kingdom are often represented together. In Revelation 17:9,10, it speaks of seven mountains. Mountains represent kingdoms. Then it says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come."

Revelation is written as if the Rapture is at hand. It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters, and Christ signs off with, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5). Therefore, the kingdoms, or empires, of Revelation 17:9,10 that have fallen are: Babel (Nimrod), Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar), Media-Persia (Cyrus), Greece (Alexander) and Rome (Caesar). The one that "is" at the present time is the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire. The one yet to come is, I think, the united nations one-world government headed up by the Tribulation Pope. The one who has not yet come is the Satan-indwelt False Prophet. The ten kings of verse 12 are crowned as the Tribulation begins (Rev. 13:1). I think they are ten kings ruling the world government under the top leadership of the Tribulation Pope.

In Daniel 7, Nimrod's kingdom at the Tower of Babel was already past history. It is where the Satan-instigated counterfeit Mystery Religion of Babylon began. Nebuchadnezzar was already in power. Therefore the kingdoms in Daniel 7 began with his Neo-Babylonian Empire. The "four kings, which shall arise" are Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, Alexander and Caesar.

> These great beasts,which are four in number,are four kings who will arise
> from the earth.Tho word (will, or, shall arise)denote future events

The first beast OF THE FOUR represented Babylon in Dan. 7:4, and it still represents Babylon in verse 17. Babylon is included even though she is already in power. The other three beasts were still future.

> in verse7:12 we read,"As for the rest of the beasts,their dominion was takrn away, but
> an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed time.The meaning is that
> after the fourt beast of (chapter,11 )was destroyed, the other three beasts (the Lion,
> the,Bear,and Leopard)were aloud to go on in to the millenium,(chapter 7:13,7:14).So,based
> upon this,verses 7:4,5,6,7,should be undrstood as talking about,four end time "beasts"?

I don't think the first three of the four empires of Dan. 7:4-7 actually exist today as they were presented. Babylon ended. Media-Persia ended. The Grecian Empire of Alexander was broken up at his death. His empire came to an end. It became Greece, Thrace, Syria and Egypt. The fourth beast represented the Roman Empire. As such, it too came to an end.

However, the POWER of the Romans was carried on by the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire and still exists today. That is why the fourth beast "was diverse (different) from all the beasts that were before it, and it (the Roman Ecclesiastical Empire) had ten horns" (Dan. 7:7). These ten horns (kings) are the same as the ten kings of Revelation 17:12. At the time of the Rapture, it says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (at the time of the Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (Tribulation Pope, the first Beast of Rev. 13:1-10).

These ten kings are crowned as the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1, where the Beast's horns have "ten crowns." These ten kings are not to be confused with the four main ones of Dan. 7:4-7. Verse 8 says, "I considered the horns (ten kings), and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER little horn (the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18), before whom there were three of the first horns (the ten) plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things." In Rev. 13:11, he speaks "as a dragon." He is the Satan indwelt False Prophet that comes to full power in the middle of the Tribulation.

The scene in Dan. 7:9-14 changes. We are taken to the 2300th day of the Tribulation, when Jesus Christ receives his kingdom while he is still in Heaven. This is the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. It is seven Jewish months before Christ returns to Earth (Ezek. 39:12). After the Coronation of the King of kings and Lord of lords, Christ sits in judgment at the Judgment Seat of Christ. The books are opened and the judgment is "set." It is not completely carried out that day, but it is sure to come. The Beast (first beast of Rev. 13) is not yet dead, the "rest of the beasts" (seven of the ten kings) are not yet done away with, but Daniel is given a view of when their sentence is to be carried out after Christ returns to Earth.

In Dan. 7:11,12, he says, "I beheld EVEN till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."

After Daniel was given a glimpse of the future judgment, he asked "the truth of all this" and was given "the interpretation of the things" (Dan. 7:16). Therefore, the "great beasts, which are FOUR" are the same FOUR kings/kingdoms as in verses 4-7, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, Alexander, and Caesar. After that, it goes into the end-time continuation of the Roman Empire. It is the time of the ten toes of Nebuchadnezzar's image. The end-time form of the forth beast (Rome) is the Beast of Rev. 13:1-10. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life" (Rev. 13:8). The ten kings of v. 24 are the ten kings of Rev. 17:12 and of Rev. 13:1. The one called "another" in v. 24 is the False Prophet. He is the same as the "another" of Dan. 7:8 and the "another" of Rev. 13:11. The saints that are given into his hand in Dan. 7:25 are the same as in Rev. 12:14,17.

Dan. 7:26 says, "But the judgment shall sit (the Judgment Seat of Christ), and they shall take away his dominion (the False Prophet's), to consume and to destroy it unto the end" (of Armageddon, which follows the Second Coming of Christ). I think the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ is the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord, Sept. 13, 2007.

> the ten kings of the fourt beast is not the European
> Union,but it is been devellopped now at the UNITS NATION.

I think this is correct.

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First of all I want to thank you for all your hard work and time that you put into this site. I had been led to it by accident one day and have been trying to read everyting that I can. I haven't gotten through all the Pros and Cons. There are quite a few. I do have your books on order and eagerly awaiting them. I know your time is prescious so I'll go ahead and ask my question.

I am having a hard time condensing all this information for my own purpose let alone trying to pass this on to my loved ones. I am having a hard time finding the meaning of Jubilee and why it is now and how it melds together with the parable of the fig tree. In other words, can you give a condensed version of the most pertinent information that I can have in my hands and refer to along with giving it to loved ones. Sorry for being so slow on these topics, but I get so overwhelmed and confussed. Maybe you can think of it as putting a cheat sheet together for a 10 year old (although I'm 35) but have been saved for less that 10 years.

Thank you for considering my request. God Bless You!

My reply

> I am having a hard time finding the meaning of Jubilee and why it is
> now and how it melds together with the parable of the fig tree.

The main information about the Jubilee Year is in Lev. 25:8-12. It says, "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement...And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undresssed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field."

The Jubilee was to be kept after they came into the promised land (Lev. 25:2). In the 49th year, the Jubilee was announced on the Day of Atonement and began the following Nisan 1. The cycle, as I understand it, is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is also the first year of the next cycle.

Since it was to be kept after they came into the land, it has been counted in our days from the time Israel declared her Independence on May 14, 1948 (Iyar 5, 5708). It has been figured several ways. If the first year was from May 14, 1948 to May 14, 1949, the 50th year would be from May 14, 1998 to May 14, 1999. You could count it from when Israel's War of Independence was over and she was accepted into the UN May 11, 1949. This way, the first year would be May 11, 1949 to May 11, 1950, and the 50th year would be May 11, 1999 to May 11, 2000.

If you figure from Iyar 5, 5708, it seems that the Jubilee would have been announced on the Day of Atonement in 5757, would start on Nisan 1, 5758, and would end Nisan 1, 5759.

I went back and figured from the Exodus in the Jewish Year 2231 (AH 2513, BC1530), as in my Bible Chronology. They were to keep the Jubilee after they were in the land. They were 40 years in the wilderness and by the time another ten years passed, the war was over and all soldiers were dismissed to return to their families. The Jubilee was to be announced on the preceding Day of Atonement and start the following Nisan 1.

Starting from the Jewish Nisan 1, 2231, I counted 49 year cycles because the 50th year was the first year of the new cycle. The first year would have been counted, thus the 49th year would have been 2279. The 50th year then was the first of a new cycle, so 2279 + 49 = 2328 + 49 + 49 + 49 + 49 + 49 etc..........................................= Nisan 1, 5758 +1 = Nisan 1, 5759.

Since the first year is to be counted, a double check is to start with an assumed "zero year" of 2230, add 3528 (72 x 49), and you end up with 5758. That is the 49th year. Therefore 5759, the year we are now in, is the Jubilee Year, starting with next Nisan 1, the beginning of the Sacred Year.

Thus Nisan 1, 5759 (Mar. 18, 1999) starts the 72nd Jubilee, which would run to Nisan 1, 5760 (Apr. 6, 2000). If the Rapture is on Pentecost next May, it seems that it would be in the 72nd Jubilee Year. That is neat.

I also figured a Jubilee from May, 1949 (5709), when Israel's War of Independence ended and she was accepted into the UN. The year 5709 + 50 = 5759.

It is an interesting subject to study.

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Re: Disappointment and Encouragement:
I have been fascinated and encouraged by your study...disappointed, of course, as ...(May 31) passed, however...encouraged again as I read the e mails submitted to you and your responses...WE ARE ALL (those of us who love the Lord's appearing) IN THIS COMMON DISAPPOINTMENT that nonetheless, refocuses on first and foremost WHO JESUS IS AND NOT SIMPLY WHEN HE IS COMING. Your life like my own (and I suspect most of ours) sounds as if the stresses are great...I have been encouraging my adult kids who are under real testing to focus past what they want God to do and praise Him first and foremost for WHO HE IS...I am having a strong dose of that focus myself today as I long for His appearing. I, too, have studied the Bible for more than thirty years and taught it to over 500 women at a time...I felt your study made more sense than anything I had read to date...but together will continue with you to press on to the high calling in His time. Take care. In His Love

My reply

I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply. Had 500+ emails to work down. Have 286 now. Thanks for sharing this with me. I am now hoping for the Rapture on Pentecost, 1999. More information on this is on: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html

Yes. Stresses are great, and they may have had something to do with my husband's heart attack and subsequent 5-bypass open-heart surgery. Yesterday, Ed's doctor started him on Captopril for his heart only expells 35% when it should be 65%. Hope this helps.

One thing I am absolutely certain of, the Rapture will come on the best possible day for all concerned. The Lord is perfect, and his plan is perfect. He knows what we do not. He sees the future for each one of us. We have to walk blind and just trust him to see us through when we can't see our own way through.

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I feel compelled to tell you how much you have helped me. I've been a lukewarm Christian for most of my life and last Thursday an old friend called long distance to tell me about your website. If God intended this to be a wake-up call, it certainly woke ME up!! I've prayed more in the last three days than I have in years. Did you hear about the very strange and violent weather we had in upstate New York yesterday? Tornados, which we never get. Lots of them everywhere. Terrible lightning - the worst I've ever seen. Lots of houses very close by were leveled. It was very eery. The Rapture didn't happen, but God was saying SOMETHING...

My reply

I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply. Had 500+ emails to work down. Thanks for sharing this with me. I am now hoping for the Rapture on Pentecost, 1999. More information on this is on: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html

You know, you are the only one I can think of that said anything like, "God was saying SOMETHING." I have just lately come to realize that the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 could mean that Jesus did come to check on Israel in 5758--and will in 5759--and in 5760--and in 5761. Israel is the fig tree (Joel 1:6,7), not the Church. These seem to be Israel's grace years, her last chance to avoid the Tribulation, which is the fifth cycle of discipline.

Lev. 26:27,28 says, "And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times (years) for your sins."

Oh, if the nation of Israel would just wake up in time, I think the Tribulation would not have to take place. Remember Nineveh. Jonah walked in there crying, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them...Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not" (Jonah 3:4-10).

"Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" (Jonah 1:17). Then he said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."

Jesus was in the heart of the earth three days and three nights (Mt. 12:40). Then it was 40 years and Jerusalem was destroyed. Past events cast their shadows.

In 1967, on the third day of the Six-Day War (June 5, 6, and 7) Israel took Jerusalem again. At that time, she seems to have been given her last 40 years before destruction falls in 2007.

It seems that if Israel does not produce fruit by Pentecost in 5761 (May 28, 2001), there will be no chance of averting the Tribulation.

I think there is a gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation. (Compare the ten kings without crowns at the time of the Rapture in Rev. 17:12 with the ten kings with crowns in Rev. 13:1, when the Tribulation begins.) Since I think the Rapture will be on Pentecost, I hope it will take place in 5759 (1999), three years (5759, 5760, and 5761) before the Tribulation begins.

If this year truly is the 6001st, which it seems to be, it may be significant that Noah was told to "Go forth" (Gen. 7:16) from the Ark when he was 601 years old. God bless.

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You write much about the need for believers to avoid being like the lukewarm Laodicean or the foolish virgins who will be left behind at the Rapture of the first fruits to be tested by the Tribulation.

Compare their fate to a believer of the same conviction who dies prior to the last days. Since if they are all believers their salvation is sealed, doesn't the one who dies early get off easy.

Moving ahead, as I understand it, all believers are to appear at the judgement seat of Christ for rewards or recompense. What would the recompense be and how long would it last? Until "he wipes away all their tears?"

My reply

> doesn't the one who dies early get off easy.

Maybe, but consider this: believers suffer some consequences here for things we have done, because we will not suffer for these later. The Lord deals with us as a father. He chastises us when we need it.

For believers, the only thing to be received at the Judgment Seat of Christ is rewards or lack of rewards. If all we have built is wood, hay, and stubble, we will be saved so as by fire.

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I take the subscription ENDTIME magazine. and they say they think that the 5th trumpet has already sounded which was the Gulf War in 1991. What do you think of the trumpets? how many have already been sounded? where are we in relation to that? Will the Rapture occur at the 7th Trumpet?

My reply

I do not think that any of the trumpets have sounded. The first seal is to be opened as the Tribulation begins. That, I think, will be on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. I think the seven trumpet judgments will hit Earth on the 2300th day, the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 that starts the millennial Day of the Lord.

Since the seven trumpets are for judgment on unbelievers, the Raptures must take place before they begin. Angels sound the seven trumpets. The trumpets for the two Raptures are sounded by God (I Thess. 2:16).

They tie in with the two silver trumpets of Numbers 10:2-4. They are for the "calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes (i.e., elders, Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

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who is the fig tree? how long is a generation? when did israel become a nation ?

My reply

The fig tree is Israel (Joel 1:6,7; Hos 9:10; Ezek. 36:8; Jer 24:5).

A generation was proved to be 40 years when the destruction of Jerusalem hit in 70 AD. Jesus had told the Pharisees that those things would come upon "this generation" (Mt. 23:36), and they did.

Israel declared her Independence May 14, 1948 (Iyar 5, 5708). She was accepted into the UN in May, 1949.

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Do you know if our dreams in this day and time are significant or have any meaning in our spritual walk with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ? If you have time please reply on this subject. Thank You

My reply

I am afraid to go by any of them. The Bible is the only rock-hard truth we have. However, dreams are interesting, as long as we remember that they may be right and they may be wrong. I have dreamed of Ed's grandmother in a kitchen in Heaven with kids all around her, of Ed and I meeting a boy that accepted Christ because of me and was killed in Viet Nam (he hugged me), and of spotting him across an aisle as we ate a meal in a huge building with long picnic tables with white tablecloths. Whether the details are right or not, I'll have to wait until I get there to see. My son dreamed of himself, Ed and me going up from our front yard into a hole in the clouds in the Rapture. We'll have to wait to see if the details are right on that too. He said he had no sensation of wind rush or cold even though we were going straight up fast.

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I just visited your website and it's very interesting. You may be incorrect about Pentecost 1999 but that is irrelevant. All that matters is what you so clearly pointed out: We must be pure and living for Christ in light of his soon return.

I hope you're right...Maranatha

My reply

Actually, I hope the Nov. 24 people are right, but Pentecost seems more likely to me. As you indicated, the main thing is to be ready.

We may be in a 12-month purification period to prove we are virgins, as Esther had 12 months of purification, and such a period was customary for Jewish brides. This could turn out to me a most important time of sifting the wheat from the chaff. We have to be sure we hang in there. The Rapture can't be very far off any way you look at it.

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