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I am the one that wrote to you about, "NOT Yet; One More! I just read this article and all I could say was "WOW!" I am printing it out for my husband & family to read. I knew it had some meaning, but I was so AWE struck and speechless that I couldn't ask Our Heavenly Father, One what? We have received our WAKE UP CALL and are preparing ourselves and trying to teach others. The mark is right around our corners, it could be in place before the Rapture takes us out of here! Please add a title " Mark of Beast" to your website for many to read and be awaken! Thank Yah / Thank Yahshua for you! / Thank You for all you do! We continue to study and prayj! Jesus is opening our (esp. my husband's) understanding more each and every day! We are thankful to God & Jesus for you and your work (studying)! Narrow is the path of righteousness (paraphased), Wide is the path to destruction! Lord help us!

Question #2 Please read Revelation 22:12 in the orginial King James version. We had never heard of this complete reading of this verse until recently! It says, " And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." We had NOT heard, SHALL BE before! MOST ministers only say, " And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according to his works!" To us the term "as his work shall be" seems to imply present and future tense NOT past tensed! This has really open and shed some light on this verse to us! We will be waiting to know what the Holy Spirit gives you about this verse!
R U READY 4 HIM? Stay Ready 4 HIM! PRAYERS! PRAISES!

My reply

Thanks for the nice comments. I'm glad you told me you were the one who told me "Not yet; just one more!" It comes to mind often, but I could not remember who sent it in. It seems to fit nicely with Song of Solomon 3:1-4: "I sought him, but I found him not...it was but a little that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth."

Re: the Mark of the Beast. If you haven't read "The Cashless Society is Here," there is a link on my index....

I can't tell you which way it should be on Rev. 22:12. Green chose to go with "to give to each according as his work shall be." However, his note has "his work is" LTTrA. That is Lachmann, Tischendorf, Tregelles and Alford.

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I hope this note finds you and Ed both doing well! Just curious about something today - if the return of Jesus is in 2007-2008 to reign and rule [as you have figured] - wouldn't that place the rapture in 2000-2001 rather than in 1999? [unless there are 2-3 yrs. between the rapture and the trib. But why would there be? ] George Curle wrote a book on many cycles of history that all culminate in the year 2005. IF the rapture occurs THIS year [as George thinks it may - or early in 1999] - then all these cycles culminating in 2005 would make sense. Also if the 7 GOOD years started with the FIRST war with Iraq in 1991 AD God does things in "cycles" [which He always does!] - then that would make the 7 BAD years begin in 1998 and would START with ANOTHER war with Iraq - which is also God's way of doing things in "circles"---- And the SEVEN bad or "lean" years would be the tribulation..... Just curious... :-)

My reply

We are ok. Ed passed his treadmill test so he has been okayed to go to Rehab. His cardiologist told us not to go to the Senior Sneaker class at they gym until after Rahab, that Ed would not be able to do it yet, that he had to build up his strength first. On the treadmill test the doctor noticed Ed's "foot drop" I had been telling him about. The nerve on the outside of the knee was damaged by being pinched between bone and the hard table during surgery to remove the vein from his leg. Ed still feels that it is improving, but it is v e r y slow to come back.

Please keep praying for Jean Kincaid. I haven't heard from her since the angiogram. She was hoping to have angioplasty, but they don't know until they do the angiogram. It was right after that that they told Ed they could not do angioplasty and he need open-heart surgery.

> unless there are 2-3 yrs. between the rapture and the trib. But
> why would there be?

Maybe to build the temple. I know there is a gap for in Rev. 17:12, the ten kings are not yet crowned at the time of the Rapture. As the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1, they are wearing crowns. According to the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9, there are four years that Jesus checks on Israel before issuing the decree that she be cut down. The years seem to be 5758, 5759, 5760 and 5761, from Pentecost to Pentecost/Feast of Weeks.

In the parable of the marriage feast in Mt. 22:2-14, the call went forth to Israel first, but they wouldn't come. Maybe that correlates with last Pentecost, in 5758. "AGAIN, he calls Israel. "ALL things are READY: COME unto the marriage, But they made light of it, and went their ways...The wedding IS READY, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." I am hoping that this correlates with next Pentecost, in 5759.

It doesn't seem that it will be long. When the bride in Song of Solomon 3:1-4 "sought him, but...found him not," she said "IT WAS BUT A LITTLE THAT I PASSED FROM THEM, BUT I FOUND HIM WHOM MY SOUL LOVETH."

> IF the rapture occurs THIS year [as George thinks it may - or early in
> 1999] - then all these cycles culminating in 2005 would make sense.

However, 2005 does not fit the criteria for the first day of the Millennium. If the Tribulation ends in 2005. There would have to be a seven-month period from Tishri 1, 5766 to the following Nisan 1 for Israel to bury the dead to cleanse the land for the Lord's return (Ezek. 39:12). There are not seven months here because 5766 is not a Jewish leap year (but 5768 is a leap year).

There would have to be a 2300-day period preceding Tishri 1, 5766 for the shortened Tribulation. From the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 is exactly 2300 days, by Jewish inclusive reckoning. But, from the Feast of Weeks in 1999 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2005 is 2329 days instead of the necessary 2300. To me, these things lock the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord on Sept. 13, 2007. You can't move it backward and have it fit. We have run out of alternatives.

> if the 7 GOOD years started with the FIRST war with Iraq in 1991 AD

Who is the nation to watch? Iraq? the USA? No! the nation to watch is Israel. She did not even retaliate when hit by SCUD missiles in 1991. Why? that is not like her, but she listened to the US and did not retaliate. The Sept. 13, 1993 date of the Oslo Accords makes more sense as kicking off the seven good years. Fourteen years afterward will be Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), the date when I expect the Millennium to begin.

Tishri 1, 5768 fits the criteria. It is a leap year, so there are seven months from Tishri 1 to Nisan 1. There are also the necessary 2300 days from the Feast of Weeks in 2001 and Tishri 1, 5768.

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It occurred to me that the person who received the message of "Just one more..." as they were preparing for Pentecost --- if this does mean just one more PENTECOST - it could also mean that we do HAVE one more to go thru before the FINAL one - which would mean the rapture might NOT occur until 2000, rather than May of 1999. Oh well....

My reply

"Just one more" would be rather meaningless if it meant two more. Remember that it is not Scripture though.

Song of Solomon 3:4's "It was but a LITTLE that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth" sounds like it won't be long.

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...Here is what I found out from a friend of mine who is Jewish and a cantor in his synagogue. He said American Jews, because of the disporia, have two Passover meals. The first Seder (Passover meal) takes place at night fall on the 14th which makes it at the beginning of Nisan 15. The second Seder takes place at sunset on the 15th which makes it technically the 16th. He gave me these dates from his Jewish calendar.

The reason American Jews keep both days is to compensate for the dispersion. American Jews want to make sure they are celebrating Passover on the same dates as their brethren in Israel and other parts of the world. By keeping the feast for a 24 hour period everyone is covered no matter where they live in the world. However, when he was in Israel recently, he had the Passover Seder meal only on the 15th or at sunset on the 14th of Nisan.

If you look carefully at the references to Passover, it does say in Leviticus 23:5-8 "In the first month, on the the fourteenth day of the month in the evening, is the Lord's passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to the Lord; seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall do no laborious work. But you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord seven days; on the seventh day is a holy convocation;you shall do no laborious work." The key word here is "evening" which in most Bibles is translated "at sunset."

So using these scriptural texts it is correct to say that the Passover lamb is killed just before the sun set on the 14th (the beginning of the 15th) and eaten shortly thereafter.

Deuteronomy 16:5,6 says "You may not offer the passover sacrifice within any of your towns which the Lord your God gives you; but at the place which the Lord your God will choose, to make his name dwell in it, there you shall offer the passover sacrifice, in the evening at the going down of the sun, at the time you came out of Egypt." This reference is different from the earlier statements which say to "roast" the passover lamb as in Exodus 12:9.

For our purposes then, Jesus would have been crucified and died on the 14th and burried just as the sunset on the 14th making his time in the tomb from the beginning of the 15th until sunset, the beginning of the 16th until sunset, and the beginning of 17th until sunset. Three full days which are Thursday, Friday, Saturday. His crucifixion having taken place on Wednesday the 14th during the daylight hours until he gave up the ghost at the 9th hour as the sunset. In Luke 23:44 - 46 it says "while the sun's light failed." Which I understand also coincided with the same time the Passover lamb was being slain in the Temple by the high priest. The high priest witnessed the Temple curtain being torn in two, from top to bottom, in the midst of him doing his priestly duties.

It seems fitting that the one who was without sin(leaven) would be burried on the second day of the feast of unleavened bread. For Jews the Feast of Unleavened Bread is from Passover until the 21st day of Nisan. One thought occurred to me while I was studying this. Jesus had the last supper with the disciples, but not at the time of the Passover meal. Maybe this was to offer Himself symbolically to those who believed first and then through his death on the cross to those who would come to believe. In Christian Faith

My reply

> If you look carefully at the references to Passover, it does say in
> Leviticus 23:5-8 "In the first month, on the the fourteenth day of the
> month in the evening, is the Lord's passover. And on the
> fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to the
> Lord; seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you
> shall do no laborious work. But you shall present an offering by fire
> to the Lord seven days; on the seventh day is a holy convocation;you
> shall do no laborious work." The key word here is "evening" which in
> most Bibles is translated "at sunset."
>
> So using these scriptural texts it is correct to say that the Passover
> lamb is killed just before the sun set on the 14th (the beginning of the
> 15th) and eaten shortly thereafter.

To determine which evening of the 14th is meant, look at verse 32 in the same chapter. It is talking about the Day of Atonement, Tishri 19. It says, "in the ninth day of the month at even (i.e., the last even), from even (6:00 PM, last of the 9th, first of the 10th) unto even (6:00 PM, last of the 10th, first of the 11th), shall you celebrate your sabbath." A feast is a sabbath ("rest") because "Ye shall do no manner of work" (Lev. 23:31). If the Day of Atonement is figured from the beginning of the night portion that precedes the day portion, the Passover is figured from the beginning of the night portion also.

I think it is correct to say that the Passover was killed just before sunset on the 13th, the day of preparation, and eaten as the 14th began. John 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Nisan 13), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day [Passover, Nisan 14] was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

> Deuteronomy 16:5,6 says "... you shall offer the passover sacrifice, in
> the evening at the going down of the sun, at the time you came out of Egypt."

This is the evening that begins the 14th. The death of the firstborn was at midnight on the 14th, and they started out that same night. That is why they were to be clothed and have shoes on their feet and their staff in their hand. Ex. 12:11 says, "And thus shall ye eat it: with your loins girded, your shoes on hour feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover."

> Jesus would have been crucified and died on the 14th and burried just as the sunset
> on the 14th making his time in the tomb from the beginning of the 15th until sunset,
> the beginning of the 16th until sunset, and the beginning of 17th until sunset. Three
> full days which are Thursday, Friday, Saturday. His crucifixion having taken place on
> Wednesday the 14th

I think he was crucified on the Day of Preparation, Thursday, Nisan 13, and was buried just BEFORE sunset that same day. I used to think the burial was after the 14th began, but knew that the Jews did not want to deal with bodies on the Passover (Nisan 14) and become unclean (De. 21:23). That bothered me. What straightened it out for me was finding out that the Hebrew Matthew 27:57 says that it was "toward evening time" that Joseph inquired about the body. Now it all makes sense. Joseph was able to celebrate the Passover after all. The haste was why all the spices were not applied at that time. I think Jesus was captured, tried, killed and buried all on Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD, the Day of Preparation.

Mt. 12:40 says "three DAYS and three nights." We therefore must start with day and end with night. I think these are Thursday (DAY), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day), and Sunday (night). It was just as Nehemiah ("conduct of the Lord") 2:12 says: "I arose in the night, I and some few men with me."

Lu. 24:1,21 says, "NOW upon the first day of the week...to day (Sunday) is the third day SINCE these things were done." Let's count backward, Sunday, Saturday, Friday. This does not fit a Wednesday crucifixion. It does fit a Thursday crucifixion perfectly. The third day SINCE is Sunday--(1) Friday, (2) Saturday, (3) Sunday.

I don't think the resurrection could have been on Saturday. Mt. 28:1 in the Greek, says, "But after the sabbaths (Passover on Friday and the Feast of Unleavened Bread on Saturday) as it was dawning into the first of the sabbaths" (i.e., Sunday, first day of the week that started the counting of the seven weeks/sabbaths before Pentecost). This leaves no room for an extra day between the two sabbaths following the Crucifixion.

> It seems fitting that the one who was without sin(leaven) would be
> burried on the second day of the feast of unleavened bread. For Jews the
> Feast of Unleavened Bread is from Passover until the 21st day of Nisan.

The Passover (Nisan 14) is the first day of unleavened bread. Ex. 12:18 says, "on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread UNTIL the one and twentieth day of the month at even. That is 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20. De. 16:2,3 says, "Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover...Thou shalt EAT NO LEAVENED BREAD WITH IT." Nisan 14 was the first day of unleavened bread. The 7th day of unleavened bread ended as Nisan 21st started. The first day of unleavened bread is the Feast of Passover. The second day of unleavened bread is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The third day of unleavened bread is the Feast of Firstfruits.

> Jesus had the last supper with the disciples, but not at the time
> of the Passover meal.

It was on the Essene Passover. From the Qumran writings, they celebrated theirs a day before the others. We are given a clue in Mark 14:13 and Lu. 22:10. Jesus sent the disciples to look for a MAN carrying water. This would have been an Essene, because women carried the water otherwise. The Essenes held all things in common, so it was not out of place for Jesus to send his disciples to ask for a room in which to prepare the Passover.

This was in 30 AD. The Jerusalem Talmud says, "FORTY YEARS before the destruction of the Temple the western light went out, the crimson thread remained crimson, and the lot for the Lord always came up in the left hand. They would close the gates of the Temple by night and get up in the morning and find them wide open. Said Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai (eyewitness and top Rabbi after the fall of Jerusalem) to the Temple, "O Temple, why do you frighten us? We know that you will end up destroyed. For it has been said 'Open your doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour your cedars'" (Zech. 11:1).

These four signs persisted from 30 AD to 70 AD.

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It occurred to me that the person who received the message of "Just one more..." as they were preparing for Pentecost --- if this does mean just one more PENTECOST - it could also mean that we do HAVE one more to go thru before the FINAL one - which would mean the rapture might NOT occur until 2000, rather than May of 1999. Oh well....

My reply

"Just one more" would be rather meaningless if it meant two more. Remember that it is not Scripture though.

Song of Solomon 3:4's "It was but a LITTLE that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth" sounds like it won't be long.

Her reply

If the rapture took place in Feb. of 2000, it would still fit the "ONE MORE", because we wouldn't ever make it to the SECOND one. thanks!

My reply

On Monday, if I said something was going to happen on just one more, wouldn't you assume I meant one more day or one more Monday? When one more day passed, wouldn't you think it probably meant one more Monday?

That "JUST ONE MORE" was on Pentecost, so since it did not happen in one more day, week, month or feast, wouldn't the most likely thing now be to assume that it could have meant just one more Pentecost?

I am not expecting the Rapture in February, because it is not a time of the major feasts and it is a time of rain. I doubt that you are expecting it then either. That was probably just a hypothetical time.

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I have read your book, The End of the Age. In it, you state that you believe the rapture will occur on May 31, 1998. We now know that statement is incorrect. I would very much like to know when you believe the rapture will now occur.

Please write, call, or email me at your earliest convenience:

Also, if Jesus was born in B.C. 5 and died in 30 A.D., that would mean he lived to be 35 years old and not 33.5 years old, right?

Also, do you believe Babylon in Revelation 18 is America?

I would appreciate your response and thoughts on these matters. Sincerely

My reply

I think I missed the Rapture by one year. I am hoping for Pentecost, 1999. Information on this is at this URL: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html

> Also, if Jesus was born in B.C. 5 and died in 30 A.D., that would
> mean he lived to be 35 years old and not 33.5 years old, right?

No. There is no zero year. Therefore we have to subtract one year when adding BC and AD years. The birth was on Tishri 1 and the death on Nisan 1. From Tishri 1 in 5 BC to Nisan 1 in 30 AD was 33.5 years. From Tishri 1 in 5 BC to Tishri 1 in 29 AD was 33 years. Add the extra 6 months to Nisan 1 and you have 33.5 years.

> Also, do you believe Babylon in Revelation 18 is America?

No. I believe it is Babylon on the Euphrates River. When the asteroid impacts, there will be fire from Magog (Russia) to Ethiopia. Egypt will be so badly hurt that no one will be able to live there for the next 40 years.

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My heart faints within me when I read how much mail you have, and here I am sending you more.
I had a quiestion and thought though I have to send. I won't worry if you can't answer soon. I know how busy you are.

My reply

Don't hesitate to ask questions. If you want to know something, there are probably others with the same need to know. I try to post the ones that others would be most interested in. This subject could turn out to be significant.

The UN accepted Israel May 11, 1949. Israel's Declaration of Independence was important, but so in the date she was accepted by the United Nations.

Israel's Jubilee year could be figured from that date, and maybe should be since she had war up until the cease-fire on Jan. 7, 1949. To rough it out, you could say that the first year was from May 1949 (5709) to May 1950 and the 50th year would be from May 1999 to May 2000. Actually, the Jubilee was to be announced on the Day of Atonement in the 49th year and start the following Nisan 1. The Jewish Tishri 10, 5709 + 49 = Tishri 10, 5758 (our Sept. 30, 1998). Thus the 50th year would begin Nisan 1, 5759 (our March 18, 1999) and run until Nisan 1 in 2000. Next Pentecost falls within that year.

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Here's a thought I had today - what if one of the things foretold ("I have told you all things" Mark 13:23) was the fact that no one knows the day or the hour. Interesting paradox there.

Just to keep you thinking... :) Maranatha!

My reply

Oh, but the Lord said, "Surely (kiy, certainly) the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7). What can you omit from "nothing" here?

Here's one for you. What if Mt. 24:36 was talking about the Second Coming? Do you think that no man knows the day or the hour for that?

In verse 34, Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Verse 27 says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Does "all these things" include the Second Coming?

If verse 36 was talking about the Second Coming, it had to apply just to that day, because the Jewish month and day of the month were already in Scripture (Ezek. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3; De. 11:14; Joel 2:23). Sooner or later, someone would recognize that he would return as the latter rain on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

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You have a wonderful site. Your work is very well done and highly informative. If I may be so bold as to offer a small piece of thinking.

It is highly profitable to learn the Jewish roots of belief in Yeshua. For example in Revelation 1: 19"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angelsC of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. The seven lampstands represent the menorah, which was in the Temple. Another example, Shaoul (Paul) was a tentmaker (he was a Fundamentalist Hebrew who made Tallits---Prayer shawls, used by synagogue attendees to form a "tent" over their head for private prayer. From Haftorah Is. 11: 12 (Re: the last days or end of the age) He (G-d) will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth. The banner is the Star of David, divinely ordained to be on Israels flag. The Brit Chaddasah said that Shaoul: Acts 19: 11God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. Shaoul would have never employed such "unclean" articles for the performance of miracles. The "aprons" were "tsit-tsit", prayer knots worn under the shirt, but protruding through at the sides, still worn today. The handkerchiefs were probably cloth patchwork, hand quilts embossed with the star of David (Magen David).z

If we regard the latter feasts of G-d, the feasts of the fall Harvest time, Jewish tradition (which Shaoul was probably referring to, as opposed to the 7th trump (Shofar) of Revelation), reveals that Shofarim were blown for the entire month of Tishri (commencing with Rosh HaShannah), The "last trump" was blown on the last day of Tishri. Shaoul died (circa 67-69 AD) prior to the writing of the Book of Revelation (circa 95 AD), so Shaouls "last trump" most likely DID NOT correspond to the Revelators "7th trump". It is obvious that the exact date of the rapture is specified, it will be at the last trump, we need only to obtain discernment from G-d as to when that is corresponding to moder calendar system.

Just another little aside; Saturn (& NASA photos show the internal hexagon shape of the star of David in the northern hemisphere) will be in Leo (The lion) in 2007/2008, the likely time of Yeshuas return. Yeshua is THE LION of Judah. May Echad richly bless you & your loved ones. Shalom.

My reply

Thanks for your kind comments and all this interesting information.

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