Pro and Con 22

Incoming Email, Re: Rewards, crowns and such like

After reading your material I am very motivated to redeem the time. Do you know of any articles that deal with rewards, crowns etc. and what one does to earn them?

My reply

One thing, the crowns we get in Heaven must be won on Earth.

R. B. Theime, Berachah Church, Houston, TX, said that when we are filled with the Holy Spirit, almost everything we do gains us rewards, but when we are not filled, almost nothing counts.

I Cor. 13:1-3 says, "THOUGH I speak with the tongues of man and of angels, and have not charity (agape love, God's love), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."

God is love. If we are filled with the Spirit of God, we have agape love.

I John 4:15,16 says, "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."

If we sin, we quench the Spirit and have to confess our known sins to God, then he will "cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (I John 1:9). Thus, we are restored to fellowship with our Holy God.

I Peter 4:7-10 says, "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. And above all things have fervent charity (agape love) among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God."

There is an incorruptible crown. It is for overcomers who resist the world, the flesh and the Devil and run well the race that is set before us (I Cor. 9:24-27). There is a possibility of being a Laodicean "castaway." This we want to avoid.

Rev. 3:11 says, "hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

The crown of rejoicing has been called the soul-winner's crown (I Thess. 2:19).

The crown of glory is for Christian leaders who tend the flock well (I Peter 5:1-4).

The crown of righteousness is for those who watch for Christ's coming and "love his appearing."

Second Tim. 4:7,8 says, "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

The crown of life seems to be the martyrs crown (James 1:12; Rev. 2:10). The latter verse ends with, "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

Peter gives good advice so we can go in the first Rapture. In II Peter 1:4-10, he says, "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans), and cannot see afar off (Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, he shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

In I Peter 3:15, he says to "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."

I know I am saved. My hope now is that I may be chosen as a member of the Bride of Christ and be caught up to Heaven in the first Rapture. I know that to be ready, I must have my sins forgiven and be wearing the white wedding garment, and "the fine linen is the righteousness (lit. righteousnesses) of saints" (Rev. 18:8).

Incoming Email, RE: How do you know????

Strange that you seem to know when Jesus comes back and Jesus doesn't even have a clue. Mark 13:32 clearly says But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. Now, which part of "no man do you not understand? I don't wish to be rude or anything, but I can assure you that Jesus will not come back when you think he will....

My reply

> Now, which part of "no man do you not understand?

Now, which part of "knoweth" do you not understand? It is present tense. Jesus did not say that no man would ever know, only that no man knew on that day.

Subject: No man knows?

I appreciate your honest response. However, I feel that I would be doing a disservice if I did not warn the church to get right with God. The Bride of Christ always wears white, and that is the group we want to end up in. Faith is enough for salvation. Not one believer will be lost. However, not every believer will go in the first Rapture. The Laodiceans will be left behind to join the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. We should want to go in the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Christ, not go in the Pre-Wrath Rapture of those saved so as by fire, out of the fiery furnace of the Day of God's Wrath.

I can understand your thinking we can't know the time of the Rapture. Up until 1968, I thought that way too. I only want to help the church, not do one single thing that could undermine anyone's faith. However, since seeing that rectangle of light on Jeremiah 50:2 that said, "publish and conceal not," I can not but tell what I have found out. I'll have obey the Lord and take my chances.

Many people think that we cannot know when the Rapture will take place, but "knoweth" is present tense in Mark 13:32. There Jesus said, "But of that day and that hour KNOWETH no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." It was true that particular day. It was phrased carefully; he did not say we would never know. Jesus continued, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." What were we to watch for? and what were we to pray for? that we would know when the time is? Just ten verses before that, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things." All means everything, even the time of the Rapture and the Second Coming. When he said this, the Jewish month and day of the month of his Second Coming was already in the Old Testament, but not recognized.

(remainder omitted because it is already on Pro and Con somewhere.)

Whether you agree with me or not, we do stand on common ground if we are both believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the important thing. If we are right about Christ, we can be wrong about other things and still make it to Heaven.

I'm not saying it has to happen when I think it will. It just looks this way to me. Search the scriptures and see if these things are so. Do the subject justice, and then be fully persuaded in your own mind.

> How do you know????

Israel became a nation again in 1948. In the Six-Day War of 1967, she grew leaves, Gaza, West Bank, Sinai, and Golan Hts, and fulfilled the Fig Tree Parable. The last generation began then. The year 1967 + 40 = 2007, the end of the age and the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord on Tishri 1, 5768, our September 13, 2007.

Here is an interesting correlation here near the end of the age. When the Israelites came out of Egypt, those 20 and over were counted. Those 19 year olds were considered the young ones. The older ones died off in the wilderness, so when they went into the promised land, those who had been 19 were 19 + 40.

In the Fig Tree Parable, Israel was "yet tender" (Gr. apalos, young) when she putteth forth leaves in the Six-Day War. She was 19 years old. That generation is to see "all these things."

1948 + 19 = 1967 + 40 = 2007. Tishri 1 that year begins the Jewish 5768, the year that the remnant of Israel will return to their promised land.

Counting backward, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 from Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), you come to Pentecost in 2001. That is perfect for the beginning of the Tribulation for it is the Seventieth Week of Daniel and Pentecost is also called the Feast of Weeks.

Again counting backward the four Jewish years mentioned in the Parable of the Barren Fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 brings us to Pentecost l998 for the Rapture of the Church. It is not so hard to figure. All we had to do was follow Jesus' command to watch. Once we recognized that the Six-Day War of 1967 was the Sign of the End of the Age, we could figure out the rest without too much trouble.

Incoming Email, Re: Venus = Heaven

Been reading from your web site (and looking for a soon rapture) and was curious as to what photographic/astronomical references were available. I am curious as to your reconcillation to these images?

"On March 3, 1982 the Venera 13 lander touched down on the Venusian surface. It was the first Venera mission to include a color TV camera." The images from ( show a rather rocky uninhabital planet.

Would like to believe the rapture is truly near, - enjoyed reading your pages.

My reply

Glad you liked my pages.

Venus is not Heaven. Guess again.

I have a set of Venus pictures sent to me by JPL after I attended a meeting with astronomers in San Juan Capistrano. I know what it looks like. Right now, we have no pictures of the surface of Heaven, but we have magnificent ones of the outside of it.

Any planet that is seen in the morning sky is a morning star. Heaven is a morning star 5 months out of the year and an evening star 5 months. The other months, it is not visible as it is swinging around on the other side of the sun.

If the Rapture takes place on Pentecost, Heaven will be a morning star at that time. It is an evening star on the Feast of Trumpets, Rosh HaShanah, as it is tonight, 10-2-97.

In Rev. 2:28, Jesus was talking about overcomers and told the churches, "And I will give him the morning star." This morning star is not Jesus himself for these overcomers already have Jesus in their hearts. This is that place where he dwells. He said he was not of this world, but he is of one world out there among the stones of fire. Its symbol is the sapphire.

Incoming Email, Re: Saturn

...I am waiting on a treaty between plo and Irseal to start sacrifices in the temple. That will do it.
UN has declared May 14, 1998 as Isreal 50th Anniversary and I would hope they would reach an agreement by then.
I guess I didn't read about the white cloud in your book. It was at this web site Saturn Events under storms. The White cloud was found at the equator. He will return in the east on a white cloud. Also other interresting things, the morning star is Venus the ruling planet of Libra (justice). Venus can only be seen 3 hour before sunlight in the spring ie "the morning star" or 3 hours after sunset. It is in the east with saturn together I believe next spring but I cant find it right now on skyonline....I find it very exciting that so many different people look to 2001. Thank you so much for your time and I will look forward to your new book!

My reply

Venus is not Heaven. Heaven is a morning star 5 months of the year and an evening star 5 months of the year. If the Rapture comes on Pentecost (the Jewish Sivan 6), it will be a morning star at that time. Jesus told the churches, "I will give him the morning star" (Rev. 2:28). This morning star is not Christ himself for these overcomers already have him in their heart. The morning star is where he resides.

Heaven's symbol is "a sapphire stone" Ezek. 1:26. I keep telling people that, and no one comes back and tells me what it means. It seems to fall on deaf ears, but it is an excellent clue. Exodus 24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness."

Ezekiel saw Heaven. From the equator upward, it looked amber. From the equator downward, it looked amber. It "had brightness round about" it. Yet it says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone" (Ezek. 1:26).

Remember that "as" shows us that it is symbolic, not literal. From here, Heaven's clouds look golden, not sapphire. Then how does the sapphire symbolize Heaven?

The reason I think the Rapture will be in 1998 and the Tribulation will not begin until 2001 is the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. The Lord comes four years to check to see if Israel has fruit. When she does not, the Tribulation comes.

Those four years are counted, I believe, from Sivan 6, 5758, and end on Sivan 6, 5761. By Jewish inclusive reckoning, this is 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761. On our calendar, that is 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.

Pentecost is also called the Feast of Harvest and the Feast of Weeks. Harvest fits the Rapture, and Weeks fits the Tribulation, which is the Seventieth Week of Daniel. See Dan. 9.24f.

Incoming Email

Marilyn wrote:
> ...Door is a symbol of the Rapture (Rev. 3:8; 4:1). An interesting correlation could
> be Passover night in Egypt. The Israelites were to put the blood on the top of the door
> frame. That represented Christ, the Firstfruits. Then they put the blood on one side of
> the doorway. That could easily indicate one Rapture. Then they put the blood on the
> other side of the doorway. That could indicate the other Rapture. All together, this
> portrays the Body of Christ very nicely. That house was saved. Reminds me of Acts 16:31,
> "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

That's a good analogy, accurate, too. Looking forward to the fulfillment of the promise of the second swipe that was made on the doorpost by the blood shed on the cross!!!!

Incoming Forwarded Email

I have a question which I hope doesn't sound stupid. Did the old testament saints go to heaven or are they still lying asleep waiting for the rapture? I mean their soul.

My reply

The Old Testament saints were taken to Heaven after the Resurrection.

"When he [Jesus] ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)" (Eph. 4:8-10).

Incoming Forwarded Email

..."Just as it was in the days of Noah" is how Jesus described His return (Luke 17:26, NIV). If "just as it was," could this possibly also mean that there will be a God-given 120- year warning as many interpret was given in Noah's day (Genesis 6:3)? Ancient Noah was recently brought to my attention with this verified story of another Noah. Noah Troyer was an Amish minister, born in 1831. Troyer became ill, causing him to have repeated periods of unconsciousness, during which time he would stand and prophesy. He spoke almost the same basic message over and over again, someone counted 19 times. His wife called friends and family members to witness what he was saying. There was even secular newspaper coverage of the phenomenon. Basically, the message was that just as with Noah before the flood, God was warning him, also Noah, that He was giving America 120 years to repent before it will be destroyed. These words were spoken by Noah Troyer in 1878. And 1878 + 120 years = 1998....

Incoming Email

You have so many sites and I am only allowed to print 20 pages a day. They are all excellent,though. Question:If everyone knows the time of the rapture,won't they all repent at the last minute,instead of being ready at all times and living right? Reply soon. I believe. Thank the Lord for your helpful books. It's a blessing to us. What about children? Will babies be saved? At what age can children be born again? My son...has accepted Jeses.Is it valid (he is 5).

My reply

I use a Mac and Netscape 3.0. After loading completely, can you "Save As" (under the FILE menu) and put the file in a Download folder to read later? That is one thing I do. Another thing I do is let an interesting Web page load completely, then get offline. It stays there and I can read the whole thing offline, taking whatever time I want to digest it. Then I can go back online, go to the next file, let it load and get offline to read it. This works best for files with graphics that would not be saved to my Download folder.

In these last days, different people will do different things, according to their own will. If they wait until the last minute, it might be too late to get the extra oil they need. My hope is that many will feel the urgency of getting ready now and of earning the prize of being chosen as the Bride of Christ at the first Rapture. We only get this one chance to be the Bride. It is a prize worth working hard to win. Salvation is not of works, but we can work for rewards.

This Rapture is as the days of Noah. All the people on the Ark were married. Even the animals went in two by two.

Rapture two is as the days of Lot. His wife did not make it out with him. She did not obey the Lord.

I think children under the age of accountability will go with their believing parents in the Rapture. Whether they are saved at 5, or just responding as their parents want them to is hard to say, but if they stick with their decision, they will be. Jesus said to let the little children come to him and that we should all come to him as little children.

Incoming Email, Re: BOOK: END OF THE AGE (EXIT 2007)


My reply

I am glad you find my first book "BREATH TAKING AND INSPIRING." You made my day.

I do keep learning all the time. I try to put these things on my Web page, Bible Prophecy Corner.

Incoming Email, Re: BOOK: END OF THE AGE (EXIT 2007)

...Thank you for the info. As to the rapture, will we hear Him say, "come Up"? I thought it was to occur so quickly we wouldn't even have time to blink.? Thank you for your getting the message out about the soon-coming Rapture.

Can you give us a clue about the sapphire stone appearance of Heaven, as you hinted it is an important clue? I just can't figure it out.

My reply

At the first Rapture, Christ will come and say with a voice like a trumpet, "Come up hither" (Rev. 1:10,11; 4:1). Remember how he talked to 5000 people and was heard without amplification equipment? He has this capability.

The Rapture of the Bride of Christ, the FIRST of the firstfruits, is the one talked about in I Thess. 4:14-17. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." This is the first trump.

This trump is not one of the seven trumpet judgments. Those are sounded by angels (Rev. 8:2). This is "the trump of God."

In Numbers 10:2-4, Israel was told, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver...that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (plural), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

After the first Rapture, these 12 princes of Israel are seen in Heaven along with the 12 apostles. Together, they are the elders of Rev. 5:4. So one trumpet calls the elect at the first Rapture, and the last trump calls the Tribulation saints to join the assembly in Heaven at the last Rapture.

At the second Rapture, it is Coronation Day in Heaven. It is also the time of the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ. Christ is occupied. Therefore, he sends his angels to gather the entire Body of Christ. Mark 13:27 indicates that when the sun shall be darkened, and the Sign of the Son of man is seen, "then shall he send HIS ANGELS, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of heaven (the rest of the saints)."

Mt. 24:30,32 says, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (they see the sign, but he does not arrive on Earth for 7 more months). And he shall send HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

This is the last trump described in I Cor. 15:52,53: "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Thus, at the first trump, Christ himself says, "Come up hither." At the last trump, the angels are sent to do the gathering. The second Rapture is as the days of Lot, "AND there came two ANGELS to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate" (Gen. 19:1).

The "LORD appeared" unto Abraham, "And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him" (Gen. 18:1,2). One was the Lord. The other two were angels. The Lord stayed behind and talked with Abraham while the two angels went to bring Lot out of Sodom. This is a picture of the Lord staying behind and sending the angels to reap the Tribulation saints at Rapture 2.

The first Rapture will not happen so fast that none will see it. Psa. 40:1-3 shows that "many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord." Elisha saw Elijah raptured and received a double portion of the Holy Spirit because of seeing it take place. What happens in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump is the change, from mortal to immortal.

As for the meaning of the sapphire stone/pavement, I want to wait awhile to see if anyone figures it out.

Incoming Email

Just found your website last week. I find it thrilling!... In Matthew 25 the virgins were asleep until a cry was made at midnight.

In real time are we still sleeping or has a cry been made? Do we hear it? What type of a cry is it and who makes it?

Also only Venus and Jupiter can be morning stars. On your website you stated it isn't Venus so that leaves Jupiter. If so why would God allow comets to smash into heaven?

I hope you are right about the Rapture because I really hate this world....Keep up your good work!

My reply

I am glad you find my Web site "thrilling." I understand your problem with email. At first, I thought I would never get email. Microsoft had left something off the mail program for Microsoft Explorer that I was given by my server. I had better luck with Netscape.

As for the ten virgins sleeping, we are still in that phase. The cry has not yet been made. Yes, we will hear it, and Christ will say, "Come up hither" (Rev. 1:10,11; 4:1) in a trumpet voice meant to be heard. I just put some information about this on my Pro and Con 22 that I will upload late tonight, Lord willing.

Any planet that appears in the sky between midnight and dawn is a morning star. We are not limited to just Venus and Jupiter. It just happens that those two are the brightest planets, so they are referred to the most. Our Heaven is not Jupiter.

I expect the Rapture next Pentecost, and intend to be ready and watching. However, since I am not a prophet, I cannot say for sure that it will take place when I think it will. If it happens then, fine. If it does not, I will wait patiently. I am convinced that it cannot be very far in the future. There is a red heifer. Even a MARC is ready, as someone explained in my incoming email.

I intend to keep on keeping on until the Rapture happens.

Incoming Email

Bless you for your efforts in getting out the word before it is too late....Do you see these smartcards as a precursor of "the mark"? What of christians who may not have heard of end-times prophecy?

My reply

...Yes, I think these smartcards are to get us to accept the Mark, or maybe the MARC that is now being introduced by two banks in Canada. You can deposit cash but cannot get cash out, only credit. It looks like a trap to me.

The False Prophet will say, "By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man: And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped" (Isa. 10:13,14).

If he takes over control of the banks, and one has to have the mark to get at their own money to buy, or has to put credit into a bank if he sells, what will happen to the money of those that will not take the mark?

Knowing end-time prophecy is not necessary to go in the first Rapture. Faith in Christ is. Being filled with the Holy Spirit is. However, knowing prophecy helps us realize how urgent getting right with God is....

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee

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