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Sir Isaac Newton & Daniel 9 - Jim Harman

Marilyn, what is your opinion re Harmon's and Newton's theory about the 7 weeks of Daniel referring to the 2nd coming rather than being part of the 69 weeks predicting the 1st coming?

My reply

Harman said,
"Newton's insight into Daniel is completely different from the Tradition that has developed. Newton strongly argues that Daniel did not say there are the "69 Weeks" of Daniel; but rather 7 and 62 weeks. By adding the 2 numbers together, man has created a Traditional scenario that is nullifying the Word of God (Mark 7:13) regarding what the Prophet Daniel was trying to tell us."

In The Jim Bramlett Files, http://www.yeshuatheking.org/bramlett_files.html, Bramlett has an article, "Sir Isaac Newton's 300-Year-Old Interpretation of Daniel." I took a look there too, and found the following interesting items, the first on Newton, the last on David Gant's experience. It was too good to omit.

"... Newton's understanding of one key passage in Daniel chapter 9 is fundamentally different from that of most common interpretations.  In about 550 B.C., God gave the prophet Daniel a view of history to the end.  From Daniel 9:25, scholars usually add the "seven weeks (of years, or 49 years) and 62 weeks (434 years)" to get 483 years and calculate the time of Messiah's First Coming.  However, Newton says there is no linguistic basis for adding those two numbers (49 and 434), and to do so is "doing violence to the language of Daniel."  Newton says the two numbers separately speak of both the First and Second Coming, both being counted from the "going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem."  Some commentators agree.
"Newton says the ³62 weeks,² or 434-year part was fulfilled at the First Coming, and the ³seven weeks,² or 49-year part will apply to the Second Coming....

"Newton understood the 'weeks'  to be periods of Jewish 'sabbath' weeks, or seven-year periods counted from entering the land, according to Leviticus 25:1-4.  According to Newton, if we count these seven weeks from Israel¹s birth year 1948 we will know the year of Christ's return....

"In August 1992, David Gant was lost and trapped in an underwater river cave while scuba diving late at night for catfish.  He found an 18" high air pocket and clung to a stalactite for 14 hours, thinking he would be rescued.  Without hope, he finally decided he was going to die and prayed that the Lord would save his soul.  Instantly, the presence of the Lord came, cleansed and saved him.  Ecstatic with joy and peace, David asked the Lord to take him and not leave him in this world.  Instead the Lord spoke to him and said, "I want you to go back and get your family ready to meet Me.  And go tell the whole world I am coming for my children before the year 2000."  Let the reader judge this."
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Before 2000 is 1999. I'm hoping for Pentecost, 1999.
Re: Newton. I disagree with him. Martin Anstey found an 82-year mistake in Ptolemy's chronology in the Persian Empire period. He had 82 years too many. Anstey figured the first year of Cyrus was BC 454. I agree. The 483 years of Dan. 9:25 - BC 454 + 1 because there is no zero year = 30 AD, when Messiah was killed, fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel 9. It fits perfectly. All the other things that have to be taken into consideration fit 30 AD like a glove too. I believe Newton's theory about the 7 weeks of Daniel referring to the 2nd coming is wrong. I think the seven weeks apply to the First Coming when the Messiah was killed.

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how is one to become saved and make it to Heaven?

My reply

You know how they say when you are trying to learn how to use a new computer, "When all else fails, read the manual."

God created man, put him on Earth to be tested, and gave him a manual so it would be a fair test. If we pass the test, we can go to Heaven, a better place than Earth. Many fail because they don't read the manual, the Bible.

Here are a some gems found in Scripture:

Acts 16:30,31: "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED."

John 3:16-18: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

ROMANS 10:9: "if thou shalt CONFESS with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Romans 1:17-20: "it is written, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

Without Christ, all are lost. Why? Ezekiel 18:20 says, "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." We have all sinned. Therefore we are all lost until we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour.

Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

I prayed and told Christ that I accepted him as my own personal Saviour. I also told others that I believed in Christ. When we do that, Christ baptizes us with his Holy Spirit, and kindles our dormant spirit to life. Instead of body and soul, like animals, we become body, soul and spirit. The spirit has God-consciousness. All our old sins are wiped off the books, and we are given a brand new start. At that moment, we are counted as pure virgins waiting for our Saviour/Bridegroom to come take us to our heavenly home.

In John 14:2,3, Jesus promised, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am (Heaven), there ye may be also."

When we sin after we accept Christ, we must use I John 1:9 to get that sin forgiven and get back in fellowship with our holy God. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Please write me back and tell me of your decision.

"I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Thess. 5:23), in Jesus' name, Amen.

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...the Wye agreement... Amazingly, on that very same day, October 23, 1998, according to Biblical astronomer Bob Wadsworth in his November 1998 newsletter: "Saturn (Satan's planet) reached opposition, which is its closest approach to the Earth for the year, in the afternoon at 2:34 p.m. EDT."...

My reply

I think Saturn is the throne of the Lord Jesus Christ and our Heaven. I also think that Satan's planet, Rahab, was split apart and is now the Asteroid Belt.

Paul said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven" (II Cor. 12:2). The third heaven suggests Saturn: (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, (3) Saturn.

In the first chapter of Ezekiel, he saw Heaven in a vision and said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God" (1:1). As he looked up, he saw the sun, "a fire infolding itself" (1:4). Flying around the sun in concentric orbits, he saw the four terrestrial planets, one of which is the Earth. Behold "one wheel (orbit) upon the earth" (1:15).

Above the terrestrial planets, Ezekiel saw Christ's throne. He said, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ, who is both man and God) above upon it." The word sapphire is a clue to which planet this is. Sapphire means "dear to the planet Saturn," from the Sanskrit "Sani," Saturn, and "priya," dear.

From the equator upward and from the equator downward, this planet was the color of amber. Saturn is golden and is also brushed with amber. And "it (Saturn) had brightness (the rings) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord." (1:27,28).

John also saw heaven. He was told, "Come up hither." Then he said, "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (YHVH, or Yahweh) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (the first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine (the last) stone: and there was a rainbow round about the thone, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone, and Jesus/Yahshua/Y'shua, was of the tribe of Judah)" (Rev 4:1-3).

Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (lit.,"YHVH the King of Israel") and the end (lit.,"YHVH of hosts," Isa. 44:6), the first (Lord of the Old Testament) and the last (Lord of the New Testament)" (Rev. 22:13).

Rev. 4:5 says, "and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne." This reminds us of the lampstand in the temple. Josephus, a priest, told us that the seven lamps in the lampstand stood for (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn. Number seven is the Lord's number. Rev. 4:6 says, "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal." Some translations have ice. This represents the ring plane of Saturn.

Zech. 3:8,9 in the Septuagint says, "I bring forth my servant The Branch (Christ). For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings)." Not only is it the seventh lamp of the lampstand, Saturn has seven rings. It is well marked if we have eyes to see.

As for what happened to Satan's planet Rahab, we read in Isa. 51:9: "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon? (Satan)."

Why should he put on strength? Isa. 22:17 tells us, "Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

This rock that will be tossed into the Earth like a ball is Satan's present home on an asteroid, a broken piece of his planet Rahab. It will impact Earth and destroy Babylon. Rev. 8:10 says, "there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp." This is the key of the bottomless pit. Rev. 9:1,2 says, "to him (Satan) was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

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I, too, want to thank you for all you diligence and hard work.

The following link was posted on the 5 Doves site. It is a very thorough and frightening analysis of the New Age plan for domination.
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~jsu/newage10.html

One of the points it makes is how all forms of spiritualism, cultism, and humanism are compatible with New Age since truth is relative. Judaism and born again Christians are the enemy.

I quote:
People can be prepared to passively accept the Plan via many different avenues: holistic health, global unity, pagan and eastern religions, animal/tree worship, mind-altering drugs like LSD (endorsed by Bailey and Ferguson as "tools for transformation"), hypnosis, alternative healing such as homeopathy and acupuncture (these favored by Creme as "part of the great shift in consciousness"), yoga, TM, kundalini and chakras, martial arts, science fiction, witchcraft, Freemasonry, Kabbalah, UFOlogy, black or white magic, spiritism, psychic powers, guided imagery, hypnotherapy, EST, psychological rebirthing, self-actualization, Jungian psychology, sex orgies, 'magick' (of 'Aleister Crowley') - to name a few. A 'path' can be high-tech, refined, politically correct - or primitive, bizarre, brutal; there is something to appeal to everyone. The common goal is an 'altered state of consciousness' which all the above try to introduce in some form (ie, trance or dreamlike state, emptying the mind of deliberate thought), which opens one up to passively welcoming 'spirit guides' or invisible 'higher intelligences'. Some can 'accelerate their paths to higher consciousness' through drugs, blood sacrifices or deviant sex acts (as in Hindu Tantrism). Once a person receives spirit guides, who go by various names borrowed from many religions, the paths all 'merge' into one, preparing everyone for the 'mass planetary iitiation' into the 'New World Order' under Lucifer's guidance.
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Note the multiple paths to bondage. If you don't believe this is becoming widespread try talking about New Age (pick one) at your next non-Christian Christmas Party and gage your reception compared to sharing the Gospel. There clearly is a great "falling away."

I can see how all of the above easily fall into the One World Religion. What about the Shiite Muslims? How do they fit into this puzzle?

I find it strange how many professing Christians are ignorant and uncomfortable with the Rapture. I think that is because the Rapture is in the here and now. Not two thousand years ago. It forces us to decide if we really believe or not. One reason for discomfort is that if you believe in the Rapture you must believe in the Tribulatation. If you believe in the Tribulation, you then must believe in Hell. Many Christians seem to be very uncomfortable acknowledging the existence of Satan (which suits him just fine). These subjects force you to think about your own belief and salvation, which can be uncomfortable. I didn't deal with it for over 30 years, but once I surrendered to the Lord and began to ask Him to reveal His Word to me, the promise of the Rapture and the prophesy of the end times became very real and relevant.

Marilyn, I am praying that you are right about Pentecost 1999. Tomorrow is ok too.

My reply

I appreciate your kind comments.

Any day is ok with me too. I want out of here. What a wicked sick world this is becoming. Evil is coming to a head in our times. There is one consolation. For having to put up with all of the terrible stuff that is thrown in our paths, and doing our very best to be overcomers in spite of it, we will be compensated by the experience of a lifetime--our "blessed hope"--the Rapture.

> What about the Shiite Muslims? How do they fit into this puzzle?

I don't know this one. I was asking my mother-in-law's Jewish eye-doctor to tell me more about the Shiites.

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My mom has been arguing with me about how long a generation actually is.  She has heard several different numbers and was told it was actually about 170 years or so?  She said she thought she (or someone else) had read it somewhere in the Bible.  Could you please clarify to me exactly how you found out how long a (biblical) generation is?  Btw, I'm loving those Pros and Cons.  It really did serve to wake us up...I repented every sin I had, known and otherwise!  And after anguish over my husband not being saved, I feel more at peace now.  I'm ready for it.  Unfortunately, no one I know seems too open to the discussion.  Wonder what makes some people more open to those sorts of things than others?  My husband says I'm just gloom and doom, but I keep saying it's joy over seeing God's will being done.  He sees all religion as being that.  I tell him I'm trying to be a more loving person and help others, but I guess he just can't understand it.  Please pray for him.  He's a good person but what good will that do him without Jesus!...Thanks again

My reply

...Webster's says a generation is 33 years, but I think a Biblical generation is 40 years. How could it be 170 years when we don't live that long? If a couple is 25 and has a child, when that child is 40, the parents are 65, ready to retire and let the younger generation take over.

The Israelites wandered in the desert 40 years, and one generation died off. Their children went into the promised land. In 30 AD, Jesus told the Pharisees, "All these things shall come upon this generation" (Mt. 23:36), and they did, 40 years later, in 70 AD.

I'm glad you enjoy the Pro and Cons.

> Please pray for him. He's a good person but what good will that do him without Jesus!

He's on my prayer list. No one is good enough without Christ.

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In P&C 221 you wrote, "Catching up the Bride of Christ seems to me to be such a major event that it would have had a feast day set on it." You also quoted Lev. 23:2. in the King James version. I did a quick check and found the American Standard version (ASV) says it this way. "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, The SET feasts of Jehovah, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my SET feasts."

My reply

I appreciate your looking this up for us.

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i have been studying with your website and it has been unbeleivable helpful in helping me to understand the scriptures! things that have been a mystery to me have suddenly opened up and seem so simple now.I have been reading the book ARMAGEDDON Earths Last Days.  Its got a whole chapter on the feast days and the calendar days that corresponds to it. it certainly corresponds with what you are saying in your website. Also i got my new issue of Endtime magazine and it has clinton on the cover talking about the Wye agreement and they say that that agreement will open up the way for 3 prohecies to be revealed. The final status on Jerusalem regarding the Temple --talks began on that between Clinton, Arafat, Netanyahu on November 3, 1999. According to the Oslo Accords signed september 13, 1993 state that the final status of Jerusalem must be negotiated and implemented by MAY4, 1999!!! Now... look at the dates real close! may 4 is Sivan in the jewish calendar ... 2 days later May 6 is the feast of Pentecost . Am I right ? Do you suppose there is any thing particular about that? Suppose they decide on the building of the temple does that mean daniels 70th week is about to begin? I have asked god to show me and to help me understand these things and he has miraculously led me to the right sites, people and books to read and above all opened the scriptures. It has been truly amazing! Let me know what you think if you have time to send an email

My reply

> may 4 is Sivan in the jewish calendar ... 2 days later May 6 is the
> feast of Pentecost. Am I right ?

No. The Jewish months do not correlate that closely with our months. May 4, 1999 is 18 Iyar, 5759 on the Jewish calendar. Sivan 6 is Friday, May 21. The Orthodox Pentecost is Sunday, Sivan 8, May 23.

> Suppose they decide on the building of the temple does that mean
> daniels 70th week is about to begin?

I think so. The temple is there at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:1).

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I was checking out your Bible chronology web page
http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/chron.html
and noticed it has some differences compared with the chronology in Dakes reference Bible. Both chronologies agree up to the start of the reign of Joshua, but over the period of the Judges and Kings there are many disagreements. The first disagreement is with the length of the reign of Joshua. Joshua was forty years old when he went up to spy the land (Joshua 14:7) which would make him 80 or perhaps 81 after the forty years of wandering (which you give as 2553 AH) when they entered Canaan. Joshua lived to the age of 110 (Joshua 24:29) so his reign was 30 years, or perhaps 29 or maybe even 28 years. Joshua's reign lasted until at least 2581 AH yet in your chronology his reign is over by 2573. You say "Joshua and the elders ruled 13 years". How do you explain this?

I know that you did not come up with this chronology, that it is primarily from Dr. Martin Anstey, and was checked by David Cooper, but I haven't been able to get a hold of one of their books yet. I know there must be some explanation, yet the way Dakes shows that Joshua reigned for about 30 years seems convincing.

Thanks for your work, and for answering so many questions!

My reply

Joshua 14:7 is not talking about Joshua, but Caleb. Look at verses 6,7 and 13: "Caleb...said...Forty years old was I when Moses...sent me...to espy out the land...And Joshua blessed him, and gave unto Caleb...for an inheritance."

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Concerning the following dialogue in pro/con 221:
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She wrote:
Moses, it doesn't fit since Moses also died.
My reply:
Don't forget that John also died.
Her reply
Where does the Bible say that John died?
My reply
It doesn't, but I don't think he is still around

... In Mt:16:28 it says:
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (KJV) Since the twelve disciples were there when he said this, could this mean that some of the disciples were raptured before they died. I'm not saying I agree with the hypothesis the person in p/c 221 stated. It did get me thinking though, and I did pull that verse out from my memory banks and gave some thought to the possible rapture of some of the disciples. I don't personally know the facts concerning the death of any of the disciples, save Judas. Do you know any facts (obviously from outside of the Bible) concerning the deaths of the disciples? God Bless You and your work

My reply

I don't think any of the twelve were raptured. The Transfiguration was a picture of the future kingdom. The next verse, Mt. 17:1, shows that. However, Mark 9:1,2 makes it clearer because it is not split by a chapter heading that was added later. It says, "there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have SEEN the kingdom of God come with power. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and JOHN, and leadeth them up into an high mountain (symbolizing Heaven) apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them." Also, see Lu. 9:27-29. In each case, the statements about some seeing the kingdom of God and the Transfiguration are right together.

I have read about the deaths of the various apostles, but I can't think of a reference book that I have here that would give me that information. I think John lived in Ephesus after his exile and died there.

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Hi! (From Finland)
Interesting article in one of your (new?) links tells about oil in Israel it is found at:
http://www.hatikva.org/oildg.html

I think this fits in the "Plan", as far as I understand, Israel will probably become a major power during tribulation. It will further open eyes to see the futility and stupidity of giving more land for "peace"

My reply

I have thought for a long time that they would find oil in Israel. Hos. 12:1,8 says, "EPHRAIM feedeth on wind, and followeth after the east wind: he daily increaseth lies and desolation; and they do make a covenant wth the Assyrians, and oil is carried into Egypt....And Ephraim said, Yet I am become rich, I have found me out substance."

With one producing well in Samaria already, hopes are high for another to be drilled near Rosh Ya'ayin. If this is the same petroleum pool located under Syria, Saudi Arabia and Algeria, it could turn Israel into a major oil supplier.

If you add oil to the easily harvested mineral wealth in the Dead Sea, it could help bait the attack on Israel by the armies under Gog as the Millennium begins.

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Re: 2 Raptures:
Very interesting, I can't say I agree or disagree, share you're testimony with me when and how did you meet Jesus? I met HIM in 1974, Jesus really proved Himself real and my walk was quit miraculous my life now is not the same...please pray for me and share you're story if you want to.

My reply

I prayed for you. See my testimony at: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/picture.html

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