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Note: Other things keep fitting into the same end-time pattern we have seen before. For instance, II Sam. 5:4,5 says, "David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years. In Hebron he reigned over Judah seven years AND SIX MONTHS: and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years over all Israel and Judah." If you add 33 years to 1967, when Jerusalem was re-unified, you get 2000. Add another 7.5 years and you get 2007 plus another half year. That would take you to the middle of 2008. I think Christ will return on Nisan 1, 5768 (our Apr. 6, 2008).

This ties in with the Oslo Accords being signed on Sept. 13, 1993. Add the seven good years and you get 2000. Add the seven bad years and you get Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). (Also 1967 + 40 = 2007.) Adding the extra half year brings us EXACTLY to Nisan 1, 5768 (our April 6, 2008). WOW! Yes, things do keep adding up. I'm excited. The grain is taken up in the seven good years.

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> My name is ----, I live in Windhoek Namibia. In case you don't know where that is, it
> is situated just above South Africa. I just have a few questions if you don't mind.

> 1:) Did you take a look at the place where you believe heaven is through a telescope?.

***From Marilyn: No, but I looked at scads of pictures in the library. The best ones were taken by our Voyager space missions.

> 2:) How sure are you about this ?.

***I feel confident that this is what Scripture indicates. However, I am not a prophet and can be wrong.

> I read those same verses that you gave as reverence and it just isn't
> that clear to me. ( Mind you, where in the bible doesn't it talk in riddles.)

***I wrote a 190-page book on it, my second book, Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star. It is hard to give enough in a short form. The part about how I found out that the cherubim were planets was in my first book, Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed.

> 3:) If indeed you did find heaven, Why hasn't it been on the news yet?.

***I didn't send out press releases on it. That might have something to do with it.

> I'm sorry if I seem a little pessimistic but it just sounds very strange to think
> that heaven is in our solar system and that one can actually see it from here.

***In the Septuagint, the Greek scriptures used in Jesus' time, Job 36:32; 37:3 and 37:18-22 makes this clear. It says, "He has hidden the light in his hands, and given charge concerning it to the interposing cloud...His dominion is under the whole heaven, and HIS LIGHT IS AT THE EXTREMITIES OF THE EARTH (so his light reaches the surface of Earth). "Wilt thou establish with him foundations for the ancient heavens?...But THE LIGHT IS NOT VISIBLE TO ALL (then it is visible to some, I can see it with the naked eye); IT SHINES AFAR OFF IN THE HEAVENS, as that which is from him in the clouds. From the north (upward) come the CLOUDS SHINING LIKE GOLD (i.e., visible, and Saturn has golden clouds): in these great are the glory and honour of the Almighty."

> Why do you think the Rapture will take place on Pentecost and not on
> the Feast Of Trumpets ?. As I understand at the end of the feast of trumpets
> they blow a trumpet that is called the Last Trumpet, and the bible says that the
> rapture and resurrection will take place on the sound of the Last Trumpet.

***I believe the first Rapture (Pre-Trib) is at the sounding of the first trump (I Thess. 4:13-18). I think that will be on Pentecost. The Jews call Pentecost the first trump. I think it is because the first trump of the Bible sounded at Sinai on Pentecost. This Rapture is as the days of Noah. No fire falls.

The second Rapture (Pre-Wrath) is at the sounding of the "last trump," on the Feast of Trumpets (I Cor. 15:51,52). It is as the days of Lot. Fire falls that same day (Luke 17:29). This is the day of the seven trumpet judgments, but those are not the Rapture. They follow the Rapture. The trump OF GOD calls the saints up to Heaven before the seven trumpets are sounded by ANGELS. This Rapture of the Tribulation saints takes place between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. The trumpet judgments follow the breaking of the seventh seal.

> Also. I heard people speculating that (and I believe this) angels lived on earth, mars
> and the fifth planet ( apparently Rahab ) before the angels came in rebellion and
> the fifth planet was destroyed. What is your stand on this ?.

***I think Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt, belonged to Satan and his angels. Mars once had more water, so it may have been inhabited, but I can't be sure. It was badly damaged on one side when Rahab blew up. This probably blew off the water and most of the atmosphere. It seems possible that the small water comets may have been formed at that time. I understand that about six tiny ones strike our atmosphere every day. They have been photographed as they hit. I have seen the pictures.

***The meteorite thought to have life forms is assumed to have come from Mars. It might have, but it could have originally landed on Mars when Rahab blew up, or it could just be from Rahab, like most of the rest of the asteroids.

> Like I said, I live in Namibia and sometimes it's a bit hard to find what you want > around here. I'm having a lot of trouble trying to get your book through the local > book stores, they can't get it for me either, they say that south Africa do not > have the rights on the book. And unfortunately I do not have a credit card.

***All three of my books are available from me.
Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed ($5.50).
Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star ($5.50).
Revelations 2000 ($6.99).

If you are interested, let me know what you want, give me your address. I will pack the box, take it to the Post Office, find out the postage, and let you know by email.

I think you could send a Postal Money Order for US dollars to me.
Marilyn Agee
8641 Sugar Gum Rd.
Riverside, CA 92508

> If you don't mind I'd very much appreciate it if you could tell me where you think > heaven is.

***I think it is Saturn. From Scripture, we can see that it is visible with the naked eye, it has golden clouds, has seven rings (Zech 3:9), is our third heaven (II Cor. 12:2) (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn), and is symbolized by the sapphire stone (Ezek. 1:26; 28:13) (which means "dear to the planet Saturn," from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear).

Sani reminds me of Mt. Sinai, which symbolized Heaven. God appeared there on a pavement of sapphire (Ex. 24:10). Also, we can tell from Ezek. 28:13 that the sapphire stone is the seventh original planet: (1) Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, (5) Rahab, Jupiter, (7) Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, (10) Pluto. There we see that Satan was the anointed cherub that guarded (KJV has "covereth"). Verse 14 says, "I have set thee so (Gen. 3:24): thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (on Rahab, number 5)."

It seems that at some time, Earth was assigned to mankind, Rahab to Satan, and Saturn to the Lord.

> I visit an old lady just outside of Windhoek once in a while who is a amateur astronomer
> and has her own 14" telescope. I'd like to try and look at heaven through the telescope.

***A 14" telescope would be great. Backyard astronomers were able to see the comet pieces hit Jupiter with an 8" one. Right now, Saturn is the brightest it has been in 20 years, because it is now relatively close to us. People that have never seen it should now be able to pick it out with the naked eye, but a telescope is needed to see the rings. It is below and to the left of the Great Square of Pegasus. For me, it is seen in the evening sky near the border between Pisces, the Fish, and Aries, the Ram. Orion is farther over on my left. Since I am in California, USA, in the northern hemisphere, I don't know if you can see it in the southern hemisphere. Your friend with the telescope will know.

> Please reply ASAP. I'm going on holiday for 2 weeks and would like to have this
> information when I talk to my brother. Yours in Christ

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Re: God Bless You
Dear Sister in Christ, I love your testimony. It is a perfect example of how we all should be. Please hang on, we do not have long to wait.

I have been following your site for quite some time now. I am curious, what is your understanding of Matt. 27:52-53? Do you think that it will have significance to the first rapture? There are those that believe that in the first rapture we will witness on earth on earth for 40 days like those in the above scripture. Thank you and G-d Bless you,

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Thanks. I'm hanging in there. Don't worry about me. There is no room in my life for the slightest flicker of doubt. I know the Lord and he knows me.

Mt. 27:52,53 says, "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves AFTER his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

I think Jesus took these saints to Heaven that same day. In the morning, he did not want to be touched. In John 20:17-20, he said to Mary Magdalene, "Touch me not: for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her. Then THE SAME DAY AT EVENING, being the first day of the week (i.e., before 6:00 PM), when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side." When Jesus saw the disciples, he could be touched. Mt. 28:9 says, "Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And THEY CAME AND HELD HIM BY THE FEET, and worshipped him."

In between, I think Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven. This is when he led captivity captive. Eph. 4:8,9 says, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

Jesus was on Earth another forty days before he went back to Heaven again, but the OT saints were in Heaven on Resurrection day. They were not here during the rest of the 40 days.

At the resurrection of the Old Testament saints, many of the saints appeared to many yet living. At the resurrection of the Church saints, I think many will see the Rapture take place. Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was taken up out of a pit), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings the catching up). And the hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Revelation 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." These will probably have faith so strong that they would be willing to be martyred for their faith during the Tribulation. I think they will be on fire for the Lord right away.

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I have read your book,'The End of The Age', several times and have enjoyed it completely. I am sure you have been ask the question, Why wasn't the Church raptured on May 31st 1998 as stated in your book?, several times. Please, as I have not heard the answer, would you provide me with an answer? I am a 59 year old man who walks honest before God and man. This is not anything demeaning in any way.

I do have some thoughts we may share about the end time at some future date, only if you are interested. Respectfully

My reply

I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I think I missed the Rapture by one year. I'm hoping for next Pentecost. Details are at:
http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html

I am always interested in sharing information about the end time.

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In your writing you say Pentecost time is when Christ appears.

Pentecost time is the beginning not the end. Christ started the church at Pentecost. Christ appearing is the end of the church on earth. It is the time of trumphets. Christ the beginning Pentecost Christ the end trumphets. Paul says at the last trump the saints are raised. In Revelation the seventh trump the last trump the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and the templr God was opened in heaven. In Lev. 23 at he seventh month the last month there is the memorial of blowing of trumphets. May the Lord bless you always.

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> you say Pentecost time is when Christ appears.

Yes, we should get ready now and stay ready, just in case, but I think Pentecost has more going for it than any other time for the Pre-Trib Rapture. We should know in about 6 months. In the meantime, we should be earning what rewards we can. Time is short no matter how you cut it. Did you take a look at these files?
http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1998.html
http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html

> Christ the beginning Pentecost Christ the end trumphets.

I think there are two Raptures, Pre-Trib on Pentecost, Pre-Wrath on Trumpets. The first is at the first trump (I Thess. 4:16). The last is at the last trump (I Cor. 15:52). The first is as the days of Noah (Lu. 17:26). The last is as the days of Lot, when fire fell that same day (Lu. 17:29). We are wheat (Mt. 13:30). The first trump is the beginning of wheat harvest (Lev.23:17). The last trump is at the end of wheat harvest.

> Paul says at the last trump the saints are raised.
> In Revelation the seventh trump the last trump

Speaking of the Pre-Trib Rapture in I Thess. 4:16, Paul said, "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD." (This cannot be the seventh trumpet judgment. Those trumpets are sounded by angels.) Since no number of this trump is given, I think we are to assume that it is the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD to call the living saints up to Heaven.

The Jews call Pentecost the first trump, I think because the first trump of the Bible sounded at Sinai on Pentecost. It was when Israel was espoused to the Lord (Jer. 2:2). Ex. 19:16,17 says, "the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud...And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God...And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice...and the LORD CALLED MOSES UP to the top of the mount; and Moses went up."

The two trumps of God, the first trump of I Thess. 4:16 (the Pre-Trib Rapture) and the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:52 (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), are prefigured by the two silver trumpets of Nu. 10:2-4. It says, "Make thee two trumpets of silver...that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL (as "all" in I Cor. 15:51) the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE trumpet (as in I Thess. 4:16), then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the elders of Rev. 4:4) shall gather themselves unto thee." The elders represent the group of saints gathered at the Pre-Trib Rapture, "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev. 5:9).

Those that are caught up in Rev. 4.1 are in Heaven before the Tribulation starts in Rev. 6. Another group is caught up between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. We see this "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues," in Heaven in Rev. 7:14, before the seven trumpet judgments are sounded by angels in Rev. 8.

Both the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the casting down of the seven trumpet judgments take place on the same Feast of Trumpets, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The Rapture precedes the seven trumpet judgments though. The Tribulation saints are saved so as by fire.

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Re: Kislev 24
this is still 5758 on the perpetual calendar, as in the days of Noah. when would Noah have gathered all the food for the animals and people in the ark....at harvest time in the fall. 40 days after the rain started, the same day that the door was shut, was the day that the ark was "lifted high above the earth". This is still the Pentecost Jubilee year, still 5758, the time of Noah. It is harvest time. The day before Hanukkah is Kislev 24, the day before the rededi- cation of the temple......perfect timing .... and may even be spelled out in Haggai 2 : l8-22. Please read and consider. The Web site, The Rapture, Gog, and Hanukkah: The Puzzle is starting to fit.( I think that is the title.....http://www. prairienet/org/gog/dlgs/html) has much more on this date in Jewish history. I came up with it just working on the days of Noah, then found this site "accidently". Nothing God does is accidental. Please search this out. You have said that you felt like there is more in "the days of Noah". Could this be IT?!!!! Please post a reply as soon as possible. thank you, thank you. I'm excited again! I try to live that way, but this is great!

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Thanks for FAXing the article, "The Rapture, God, and Hanukkah Puzzle: Putting It All Together," http://www.prairienet.org/guns/dlgs/gog.htm, and some of the Perpetual Jewish Civil Calendar to me.

> > this is still 5758 on the perpetual calendar

This calendar seems to be actually the Jewish Talmudic Civil Calendar. Right now, it isn't really still 5758 on this calendar. Look on page 3. See the horizontal line 2/3 of the way down the page? It has an arrowhead on the right end. That is the place where it changes from 5758 to 5759. Above that line is 5758. Below that line is 5759. Whoever made the chart did not make that clear, but 5759 began with Tishri, which is the first entry after the line. On page 4, the first heading is 5759. That is correct. It would have been easier to figure out if there had been a heading below the line on page 3 to show you that 5759 began there.

The Jewish Regnal and Sacred years both begin on Nisan 1.

On page 1 of the calendar, the Jewish Holiday Dates are listed. Look at Shavuot (Pentecost). The author figured June 1 in 1998 and May 21 in 1999. The way they are figured does not seem to be consistent. The June 1, 1998 was Sivan 7. The May 21, 1999 will be Sivan 6.

There are things in the article that I disagree with. The attack on Israel led by Gog is on the Day of God's Wrath, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, not "preceding the Great Tribulation." The author quotes Ezek. 38:18f and still fails to see that the Lord said, "my fury shall come up in my face" and "all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake." This worldwide earthquake is because the asteroids strike Earth. In Rev. 8:8, the "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (the Mediterranean). This is why Ezek. 38:20 says, "the fishes of the sea...shall shake."

The author says that the seven years the Israelites burn the weapons is the Tribulation. I don't think so. I think it is the first seven years of the Millennium.

I also disagree with Kislev 24 for the Rapture.

However, I learned something from his discussion that I did not know, that "The day that Allenby and his force entered Jerusalem was Dec. 9, 1917 -- THE 24TH DAY OF KISLEV" (emphasis mine). Hag. 2:19 says, "Is the seed yet in the barn? Yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, an the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you." Sure enough, after that, the Jews started their modern exodus back to eretz Israel. That's exciting. The Modern Parallels date from 1917. See http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/parallels.html

Note: My birthday, Dec. 13, falls on Kislev 24 this year, 1998. Hmmmm. Since my son David was born on Apr. 6, the date on our calendar of both the Crucifixion and the Second Advent, it makes me wonder.

Another thing the author and I disagree on is that the breaking of the sixth seal is at "the start of the Great Tribulation." I think the breaking of the FIRST seal is the beginning of the Tribulation, and that the breaking of the SIXTH seal is as this age is ending and the Millennium is beginning. He quotes Rev. 6:17 and still doesn't see it. Verse 17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come." I think this is the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets, the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14).

We both agree that the Rapture is before the Tribulation and that "Time is short and must be used carefully, in prayer and witnessing so the world can know about the saving grace of God's Son, the Jewish Messiah and the Savior of all who would make Him their Lord."

Jesus Christ is Lord.

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Marilyn, Saddened and disenchanted by your revelation.

My wife and I  had a similar experience a number of years ago. I trusted a " fellow Christian", a musical director and record producer for a major evangelical ministry. I trusted this individual because I thought it would be a means of securing a future for my wife who is struggling with Multiple Sclerosis.

The indebtedness this individual caused me has put me in a financial position I can not naturally recover from. Looking forward to the Rapture . . . sooner rather than later.

All this, to say how much I admire your integrity and commitment to God. I am still struggling to understand my circumstances, yet you manage to minister to all of us out here in the internet world.

It may seem a weak response, but thank you Marilyn for all you have done for all of us.

I would ask Him to bless you and Ed. In Christ

My reply

Thanks. I think that the enemy is being allowed to test us. We need to prove that we are wise virgins, no matter what else takes place. Lord, bless this couple. Help them to be strong in faith and overcome all odds, both physical and financial, in Jesus' name, Amen.

Ed and I went to the Cardiac Rehab orientation today. We learned quite a bit and are anxious for him to begin next week. The nurse had an idea we had not thought of. Ed used to love to play the piano, but after his two TIA's, he thought he couldn't play. We sold the piano, but we still have an organ that has not sold. People use keyboards more now. The nurse wants Ed to try to play it. That will be good for his hands and his left leg, the one with the foot drop. I sure hope he can manage it. We loved to hear him play the piano, and he loved doing it. It will give him something to do besides watching TV.

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Hi Marilyn, I keep coming back to your web page because I always learn something new here. Sometimes i check several times a day and nothing new is on the grid. But I know you have a life outside this ministry. Thanks for being there for us. It is time consuming work.

Someone asked how they could witness to a relative. Well my pastor's wife told me recently that marriage and missionary work do not go together. It is rarely our path to witness to our spouses...they must be drawn to Christ because we love them despite their problems. My prayer has been for God to send someone else to witness to my husband and family. That is why I think all believers should take on the work of sharing Christ with someone we just meet along the way. By just asking a simple question or making a remark that leads to a conversation about God, we could be answering someone else's prayer.

When the Holy Spirit leads me, I try to introduce Jesus to strangers I meet even at the bus stop. Recently, I sat next to the same woman two times in one week while waiting for a bus. The second time I just announced to her that I felt our meeting was not coincidental...that it must have been because God wanted me to ask her if she had a personal relationship with the Lord. She said she believed that if she treated people with love and respect, she would be as close to God as so called believers are. She did not want to talk about Jesus. But all the way home, I could tell she was thinking about what she said to me;possibly seeing that her words did not make sense. That may have been the seed the Holy Spirit wanted me to plant. The seed of doubt is a powerful one if it leads a person to read their Bible or ask a believer questions about salvation. I believe that each person will be shown all the opportunities they had to accept Christ but instead rejected the message and the messenger. God knows how our hearts go out to our families. He will not leave our prayers unanswered.

May the Lord bless you and your family despite the many trials that will come your way. God has you in the palm of His hand and no one can take you from within His grasp.

My reply

Thanks for your input. I think asking someone if they have a personal relationship with the Lord is a great way to start a conversation. The first thing is to find out where the person is in his relationship. Then we can minister to their needs. Anything else may just wash off their backs. We don't want them to close us out. We need information from them, and questions make them think--now, and hopefully later too.

> God has you in the palm of His hand and no one can take you from within His grasp.

That is so true, and such a comforting thought. Thanks.

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FWD: Israel home to world's largest oil field? U.S. expert plans massive drilling project at Dead Sea, By Kaye Corbett Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily

(excerpt) IRVING, TX. -- A $30 million, six-to-eight-month project to uncover the world's largest oil field atop a salt dome at the southwest end of Israel's Dead Sea, is expected to begin in early 1999, according to respected Texas oil man, Harold "Hayseed" Stephens. Until now, Israel's Islamic enemies have possessed nearly 75 per cent of the world's oil reserves with Israel's supply only a fraction of that.

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