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Your web site is an inspiration. I have read "End of the Age" many times. I also am a Riverside resident, and I commiserate with you the problems we have been having with ravenous Santa Ana winds in recent weeks and days. I am a Southern California native, and my experience with the weather here is that it is becoming much more severe each year.

I have three items to bring to your attention.

1. Today's edition (December 15, 1998) of the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather contained a report from scientists predicting a widespread drought in the continental U.S., particularly in the grain belt of Oklahoma and the Midwest, that they noted will probably be larger than the one earlier this century. The scientists quoted were from NOAA, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce. The scientists base their findings on core samples taken from trees and from computer models dating back to approximately 1500 AD. They explained there have been large scale droughts in the past. However, the report was not too specific about when a drought like this may occur. There were suggestions that it will be early in the new millennium. The report showed the concurrence of NOAA on the fact that a large drought will likely occur soon, and that the drought will be larger than any we have seen in modern history, and that it will impair our country's ability to export food to the rest of the world. This is interesting in light of the prophecy of the seven good years and the seven bad years. We are now seeing the public disclosure by scientists that a big one is mounting. Interesting coincidence?

2. In the new issue of Christianity Today (December 7, 1998), there is an article featuring Jim Bakker, the former televangelist. He is quoted as proposing that an asteroid will hit the earth during the tribulation period. He quotes the same Greek text of "aster" and "asteres" that I have seen in your writings. On a second note, Mr. Bakker, who is working in Los Angeles as a volunteer with the poor, states that pretribulation rapture is "fairly new theology. I know it's in the beloved Scofield Bible, but I can't find any solid Scripture except maybe a verse here and there. And as I studied the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, I couldn't find one man or woman of God who lived a charmed life." He proposes that even John the Baptist, whom Jesus said was the greatest man to walk the earth, ended up in prison and was beheaded. He notes that "flies in the face of modern prosperity teaching." I had not had the impression that the rapture was a new teaching, and I have seen many scriptural references from you on this subject, based on Paul's writing to the church and some of the early prophets. Would be interested in your thoughts given that the Christian community seems divided on this issue, even at this late date.

3. I remember the 40 solid days of rain in 1967. It is one of the strongest memories that I have of my childhood. During that 40 days of rain in Southern California, I remember that it let up only for one-half of a day before resuming with full force. I remember seeing the flood damage in Upland, which is near Riverside-where roads were washed away, and whole new rivers were formed from the powerful flow from the nearby San Gabriel mountains. I want to note that my family was in California in 1938 (another modern parallel?) when an even more powerful flood occurred in March of that year. That flood brought down all of the boulders that you now see throughout Rancho Cucamonga, Pomona, Chino, etc. I have recently wondered as to any potential significance of that earlier devastating flood in relationship to hidden meanings of things to come.

Thank you for your powerful messages that touch right to the heart of the living Christian community. God Bless.

My reply

Thanks for your nice comments. It is nice to hear from someone close by. You know firsthand about the three freeways (the 15, 60 and 10) being closed near here the other day because of big rigs being blown over by Santa Ana (Satan) winds. There was a picture of one of several electric poles down and another big rig on its side in the morning paper. It was carrying stucco. That was some gust of wind to turn over that kind of weight. We are at something like 856 ft. elevation and get a lot more wind than down behind Riverside Community Hospital, where Ed goes for Rehab. We notice a marked difference each trip. We have worried about the car doors being damaged when the wind ripped them out of our hands and slammed them open--hard. So far, I think they are ok. They must be built very strong. It scares me every time it happens though. After lunch, try getting out of the car in the wind with a Coke and coffee from Jack-in-the Box without losing one or letting the door get away from you. I carry both. Ed needs two hands to get himself out of the car. Last time out yesterday, both of us lost our hold on our door. I hope I remember today to ask for a carrier. That would make it easier.

Our electricity went off briefly, but it was enough that I lost the email answer that I was preparing, and my server was down for quite some time after that--a lot longer than I was.

> the report was not too specific about when a drought like this may occur.
> There were suggestions that it will be early in the new millennium.

I am surprised that they came so close. From Rev. 11, it looks like it will be in the first half of the Tribulation.

> pretribulation rapture is "fairly new theology

It isn't really, but many want to believe it is new. It bolsters their own ideas that way. It actually doesn't matter. If the Pre-Trib Rapture is in the Bible, it is true. However, here is a quote from a just-under-1500-word sermon, "On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World," that was written between 373 and 627 AD.

"All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins" (Pseudo-Ephraem).

> the Christian community seems divided on this issue, even at this late date.

The main reason, as far as I can see, is because there are two Raptures. You can find things that point to a Pre-Trib Rapture, and you can find things that point to a Pre-Wrath Rapture. Someone just pointed out to me that this is similar to early days, when the two comings of Christ were not understood.

> I remember the 40 solid days of rain in 1967.

I think you mean 1969. The dates on the Santa Ana Register tab, "The Savage Storm," are Jan. 18 to Feb. 26, 1969. Inside, the first heading is, "Rain--A Blessing That Became A Curse." Santiago Bridge in Villa Park was in ruins. The mountain came down on the Volunteer Fire Station at Silverado Canyon. Marine choppers dropped junk cars in Santiago Creek to try to save expensive homes. Some fell into the creek anyway. San Juan Creek tore out the approach to one end of the Ortega Highway Bridge. Sweden Inn in Modjeska Canyon was left with a deep swag in its roof. It probably was beyond repair.

We lived in La Mirada then. When we had seven inches of rain in one day, Ed could not get the car home from Norwalk because of flooding. He worked for North American Aviation in El Segundo at that time. A neighbor had to go get him. Later, they built a Flood Channel through there so that would never happen again.

I had never seen such rain in my life, and had lived in a house in Indiana where in the past an electrical storm had gone through and topped the whole row of trees near the street. One big branch had crashed through the front bedroom roof. Another place I lived in Indiana, lightning split a huge tree by the underground garage ramp while we lived there. I was used to storms, rain, lightning, thunder, but nothing like the sheets of rain I saw in California in those days.

> That flood brought down all of the boulders that you now see throughout
> Rancho Cucamonga, Pomona, Chino, etc. I have recently wondered as to any
> potential significance of that earlier devastating flood in
> relationship to hidden meanings of things to come.

I did not know about these boulders. Thanks for filling me in. I don't know of any tie-in in 1938, but will keep it in mind. I didn't know about that storm. We came out here after that. I just looked in The 1986 Information Please Almanac. It does not list 1938's disaster, but it does the 1969 flood. Happy holidays.

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Sorry to be late with my birthday wishes for you. I hope that you had a wonderful, blessed day. I find it interesting that my birthday (63) was just ten days before yours on Dec. 3 AND my son's birthday, like your son's,  is also on April 6, 1960. He is a committed Christian and a worker for Christ in his profession as a psychiatrist. He's not progressing financially but is building many treasures in heaven by witnessing to many profoundly disturbed people and bringing them to  Christ through the combination of medicine, therapy, and bringing them to the cross of Jesus. That results in tremendous 'miracles' and gives me great joy. I've decided he doesn't have a practice, but a ministry and the difference is only in lack of financial rewards in this life. His greatest desire is to be in God's will whether he makes money or not.

Even though I was late wishing you a Happy Birthday, and that happens to me often, the one thing I don't want to be late for is the first call for the Rapture. I really enjoy your site and my notebooks filled with your Pro and Cons are getting bigger and bigger. That's o.k. Perhaps after I'm gone there will be those who find them and think, maybe she wasn't crazy after all and maybe I'd better seek the Lord. I am looking forward to next May 23rd and praying that this time, it will be correct. With the shape things are in, I don't see how it can be much longer. We are preparing, just in case it isn't correct, for Y2K but even if the Rapture comes and we don't have to go through that, then perhaps the supplies we have gathered plus the written materials I am leaving will be of benefit to others who by then will be seeking solutions. Of course we know that only Jesus is the solution to everything.

Thanks again for all of your continued hard work.  I pray that God will bless you and continue the physical healing process for your husband. We can all look forward to that new body we'll get - with no pain, no overweight, no aching joints, no tiredness, no depression etc. All I can say is "Come quickly, Lord Jesus."

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> Sorry to be late with my birthday wishes for you. I hope that you had
> a wonderful, blessed day.

Thanks. Ed wants to take me out to eat at Hometown Buffet, but I said we should wait until we could better afford it. We went to an early Christmas party at the home for active elders where Ed's mother lives. Lots of relatives were there, so it was a nice day.

> I find it interesting that my birthday (63) was just ten days before yours on Dec. 3 AND
> my son's birthday, like your son's, is also on April 6, 1960.

April 6 seems to be a great date.

> I don't see how it can be much longer.

I don't either. Everything seems to be falling in place.

> I pray that God will bless you and continue the physical healing process for your husband.

Thanks for your prayers. We went to the Dr. yesterday, and Ed's lungs were clear of fluid. Praise the Lord. He had lost several pounds of water. The Dr. thought it was now safe to double his heart medicine, and we don't have to go back for a month. I know from taking his mother to her cardiologist that when you have fluid in your lungs, you go back weekly. When you don't have the fluid problem, they stretch out the return visit to three or four weeks. Rehab is going well. He is finding out how very important exercise is for not only his heart but his diabetes. They check glucose before and after exercise, and it drops a lot afterward, more than we dreamed. We are set up for a class in cardiac nutrition soon too. Agape.

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I sent you a gif you weren't able to open because you have a different set up. Well try this link instead. This will put you through to Dimitru's prophecies for the end time. It will show you what is really going to happen. You probably won't like it one bit. No one does. We all prefer the Pre-trib rapture thing. It's so nice. I wish it were true. The angel Gabriel told him Jesus is coming 'to' His Church to whip it into shape, then the trib will try the Church to see what it's made of then for those who are ready, He will come 'for' His Church. After the year 2000 there will be no United States of America. In just ONE DAY it will be gone.

Incredible but true. The last time someone called Gabriel a liar, He was struck dumb for a while until he learned to talk sense. So be careful Marilyn. Here is the scripture for the coming judgement of the American Chuch which is described by God as a cesspool of sin.

1Pe 4:17 "For the time is coming when judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begins with us, what will the end of it be like for those who obey not the gospel of God?"

My reply

> Dimitru's prophecies for the end time. It will show you what is really going to happen.

You sound like you are totally convinced that Dimitru's sayings are "really going to happen." I'm not. I am going only by the Bible. It is the only rock-hard truth we have. Everything else has to be compared with it. I can see the Pre-Trib Rapture in Scripture, and believe with all my heart that the Bride of Christ will not be here during the Tribulation.

> United States of America. In just ONE DAY it will be gone.

Mt. 24:6 says, "ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled." Are you troubled? Why? because you think you will be here? Civilization as we know it will be destroyed as the Millennium begins, but Jesus said, "behold, I have set before thee an open door (in Heaven, Rev. 4:1), and no man can shut it...Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (waiting), I also will keep thee FROM the hour of temptation (pierasmou, trial, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try (pierasai) them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly" (Rev. 3:8-11). He comes quickly at the Rapture (Rev. 2:5; 22:20).

> 1Pe 4:17 "For the time is coming when judgment must begin at the house of God

Judgment truly does begin at the house of God. We are the spiritual house, and Jesus is not seen with a "sharp twoedged sword" coming out of his mouth in the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:16 for nothing. In Rev. 2:12, Jesus says, "to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges."

Lu. 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds, "cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Who are the hypocrites? Look at Mt. 23. In verses 8-10, the Pharisees sitting in Moses' seat are not to be called Rabbi, father or master. And what does Jesus call them repeatedly? "hypocrites" (23:13,14,15,23,25,27,29) and "blind" guides (23:16,17,19,24).

The Laodiceans are also called "blind" (Rev. 3:17). He tells them to "anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love (Christians, because they have to be in Christ to be spewed out of his mouth), I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." He also tells them to buy of him "white raiment." We see later, in Rev. 7:14, that they have "washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." They thought that they had it made, and didn't realize that they were actually wearing "the garment spotted by the flesh" (Jude 23). Why couldn't they see this and repent in time? They will come to terms with it in the long run. It would be far better to repent now and escape the Tribulation.

Some think that because their "OLD" sins (II Pet. 1:9) were wiped off the books at the moment of salvation, they have it made. In a way, they do. They can still get to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. However, if they want to earn the prize of the Pre-Trib Rapture, they should confess their sins (I John 1:9) committed after they accepted Christ and do as Paul did. He said, "I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" (I Cor. 9:27).

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Thanks for all your info. You're a champ. I heard there is a need. I'm sure many people might like to help. I myself am waiting for some money to come in and as soon as I've been blessed, I like to bless you as well. Please do you have an adress or banknumber I might use to send it to from Australia.
In Jesus' love, -----. (I am sure more people would like to know how to send you help)

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Thanks. I hate like crazy to be in a position like this, but I have to admit that I was unable to pay the taxes on the house the tenth. Things have hit both us and our kids that I would never have dreamed possible, blow after blow after blow. Yet, no matter what happens in this world, our faith remains strong. That can't be broken, no matter what happens here. We know that what lies ahead in Heaven is worth anything we have to endure here. We just have to hang on to our inner peace in the midst of chaos, knowing that "tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us" (Rom. 5:3-5).

John 16:33 is comforting. Jesus said, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." He has and through him, we will in the end. In His love

Marilyn Agee
8641 Sugar Gum Rd.
Riverside, CA, 92508
USA

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You are very kind to answer my note. I know how busy you must be with your teaching and in your service to family and friends. I, like thousands around the world, have been reading your web site daily for about a year. I want to share how I came to find your teaching.

In 1993, I was fervently seeking biblically accurate interpretations of Bible prophecy. I was scanning a bookstore in the region, and I was increasingly frustrated with the selection. But then I was "guided" to a book of a different ilk in a different section and was kindly convinced by a strong warmth to open it and read it. This was your book, "End of the Age." I had never seen anything with such clarity and meaning. I immediately purchased your book, went home and read it cover to cover. Naturally, I did not understand much of the detail, but I proceeded to read it several times. I lamented not buying more copies when I had the chance, because after that time I could not find your book in the stores I frequented. Then my wife and I took a vacation to Colorado Springs, and I found your book in a large bookstore in the central mall there. I purchased your book and re-read it on vacation. When I returned home, I shared some of your thoughts with a friend of mine-a scientist of great knowledge, and a strong Christian. He was impressed, and I lent him the book, which he insisted on purchasing. He and I have had numerous conversations about the rapture and the Bible. Then one day, he said he did a search on the internet under "rapture" and found your web site. I was unaware of your site prior to that. I began to read it earnestly....

As you can imagine, the recent windstorms caused damage to our place. Fortunately, we were able to have it rebuilt quickly. The power of the storms is remarkable, and although I have seen trees toppled in my parents' yard in the past, this is in a new class of force....

Today, a friend of mine, a distinguished man in his 60s, asked me to lunch. I expected to discuss the usual technology/government shop talk that we share. But today, he was not interested in politics, but, rather, in learning more about God. He had watched a PBS show on Christianity that aired Tuesday evening and will air again on Sunday at 1:00 p.m. (channel 28). The second episode is next Tuesday. He said he learned more about Christianity in that one hour than he had ever known in his entire life.

As a scientist and skeptic, he quizzed me severely regarding the age of the Earth, creationism, evolution, etc. I held up well, but I could see that it is tough for him to believe, particularly that the Tribulation period is close. He said that if this is the case why hasn't the media written about the truth and all the facts you have shown. I suggested that Satan controls this world, etc. He was fascinated, and I know he is thinking all of this over carefully. I expect to be quizzed again in a month or so by him. He is an exceptionally talented man, and as I now fully realize, a capable engineer/scientist. This subject is so important, but is so hard for many to hear. I was interested that he knew very little about the life of Christ, the prophets, and the Revelation. Time is so short, and there are so many to reach.

I appreciate your correction on 1969. I remember the trauma of the rain, but no one until you has ever made mention of it since in my hearing. I seemed to be the only one who remembered the rain, since most people had recently moved to California and had no knowledge of the severity of winter rain here. I have thought of it much over the years, just as my mother relives the flood of '38 when warm rains followed a heavy snow fall, and all the water came down at once in March.

Thank you for illuminating me to the living word. It is particularly encouraging that you are in the same regional vicinity and share the same storms, outages, etc. I can relate to your discussions about the unusual weather. Please take care. Warmest personal regards

My reply

Thanks for sharing how you found my work, etc....

> I lamented not buying more copies when I had the chance

I have plenty of "Exit: 2007, The Secret of Secrets Revealed," which Avon Books renamed "The End of the Age," and "Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star." They are $5.50 each.

I only have 13 of "Revelations 2000." It is $6.99. I have to buy them from Avon Books in quantities of 40, and it takes at least two weeks for me to get a shipment.

Shipping in US is Book Rate, $1.74 for one book, 2.24 for two; Priority Mail: $3.00 for one or two, $4.00 for 3 books....

> As you can imagine, the recent windstorms caused damage to our place.

Gee, I'm sorry you had damage. There seems almost like there is nothing puny people can do against the tremendous force of weather. We almost lost a tree last time. It sits on a different cant than before, but that is better than being totally uprooted....

> Time is so short, and there are so many to reach.

I know. I feel sorry for them. We just have to do the best we can....

> PBS show on Christianity...will air again on Sunday at 1:00 p.m. (channel 28)

Thanks. Hope I get to see it.

Happy holidays to you and yours.

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