Pro and Con 244

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Howdy Marilyn, It never ceases to amaze me. If we predict something and it does not come true, then let's predict it again.

Christians often argue that Jesus must have been raised from the dead as prophecied, because if he didn't Christianity would have never continued. Why would his followers continue to proclaim his name after he didn't return?

Well the answer to that is obvious, and demonstrated perfectly by your site. Reality is hardly a roadblock to pure belief. How many years have you predicted the second coming now? I have only noticed your website since last year. And despite the fact that your prophecy obviously failed, you are back doing it again. What will you do when this date fails? Will you try again next year? The year after that?

How many times must a prediction fail before it is realized that the prediction is bogus? For the true believer such as yourself, that realizaton will never come. I weep for your separation with reality, and I can only hope that someday you will return to it.

But just like Jesus' return, I'm not holding my breath waiting for either.

My reply

I would not go so far as to say that you are not a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, but you do not sound like one. You sound like a skeptic. Believers are supposed to deal with each other in God's agape love. That is not to say that they always do. We are all human. However, the Bible tells us that is what we should do.

> Reality is hardly a roadblock to pure belief.

God's Word says, "The just shall live by faith" (Rom. 1:17). Man's test on this Earth is to see if he will believe in and obey God even though he cannot see him. The angels could see God and 1/3rd of them failed their test. It seems that God may have created man to prove him just in putting Satan and his fallen angels in prison. If man can obey God without seeing him, the Lord is just in carrying out the sentence on the fallen angels.

> Why would his followers continue to proclaim his name after he didn't return?

The time of the Second Advent has not yet rolled around. Neither has the time of the Rapture. What I think has no bearing on the Lord's plans. He does things his way in his time, whether we understand it perfectly or not. I am a human being, as you are, and I take it that you don't know the time of His return either. My proposed dates are at least an educated guess. I know what Scriptures back up my guesses. I don't just pluck something out of the air.

> How many years have you predicted the second coming now?

Since 1968, one year after Israel fulfilled the fig tree parable of Matthew 24:32-34, I said that I thought the Rapture would be in 1998 and the Second Advent in 2008. In the Six-Day War, Israel grew leaves, Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights. Only one generation from 1967, this age will end (Mt. 24:34). By that time, all the things mentioned in Mt. 24 will have taken place.

I figure that this age will end in catastrophe on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. At that time, I think two asteroid impacts will destroy civilization as we know it. (There are seven months between the catastrophe and the Second Advent, Ezek. 39:12).

Before the catastrophe, most of the seven-year Tribulation test will run its course. If you are caught in it, there is something you should do and something you should not do. Do accept Christ. Do NOT accept the Mark of the Beast, a mark that without, you cannot buy or sell. The Devil wants you to accept that Mark because it shows that you belong to him. We all belong either to Christ or to the Devil, called Satan. If you accept the Mark (Rev. 13:16-18), you will be sorry. God's Word says, "The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation: and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Rev. 14:10,11).

I saw a rectangle of light on Jeremiah 50:2. It said to publish and conceal not. Therefore, I am doing just that.

> despite the fact that your prophecy obviously failed, you are back doing it
> again. What will you do when this date fails? Will you try again next year?

I may have only missed the Rapture by one year. I have not yet missed the date for the Second Coming. You may not know the difference. The Rapture and the Second Advent are two separate events. The Rapture is when Christ comes to catch up the church (believers) before the seven years of trial come upon the whole world (Rev. 3:10). At the Rapture, Christ comes in the air (I Thess 4:13-18). The Second Advent is when Christ sets his feet on the Mt. of Olives and the mountain splits (Zech. 14:4).

I expect the Rapture next Pentecost. If not then, the following Pentecost. Jesus commanded us to watch. I will continue to have complete faith in him and will also continue to watch. Back in 1969, when I was asked what I would think if the Rapture did not happen on Pentecost in 1998, I replied that I knew it had to take place before the Tribulation, which I expected in 2001. That has not changed.

> I can only hope that someday you will return to it.

And my hope is that you will accept Christ before it is too late.

> But just like Jesus' return, I'm not holding my breath waiting for either.

I am not holding my breath, but I KNOW Jesus. I KNOW that he is the Creator himself. I know that every prophecy so far has come true 100%. Therefore, I KNOW that every other prophecy will come true 100%, even those that say that the unbelievers will end up in hell. My Lord will return, just like he said he would. His plan is perfect, and he is working his plan perfectly. It matters little if I understand everything perfectly. I understand that I must accept Christ or end up in hell. That is what really matters. Anything else that I understand is just icing on the cake.

It is impossible for unbelievers to understand the deep things of Scripture. They are foolishness to him, because those things are spiritually discerned. Believers have been baptized with the Holy Spirit upon their acceptance of Christ as their own personal Saviour. Because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, believers can understand the deep things in God's Word.

If you have never accepted Christ as your own personal Saviour, I suggest you pray and tell him you accept him. What have you got to lose? You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Romans 10:9 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Please write me back and tell me whether you are a believer or not.

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David Hill wrote:
You said:
> I think the throne is on Saturn and the cherubim that Ezekiel saw are the four
> terrestrial planets...Farther out in space, "above the firmament (expanse of space)
> that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire
> stone" (1:26). This represents Saturn because sapphire means "dear to the planet Saturn,"
> from the Sanskrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). There was "brightness round about"
> Saturn "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain" (1:27,28).
> I think this represents the rings of Saturn.

This may be possible but...

> If the four beasts of Rev. 4:6 represent the same thing as the cherubim, then they
> would be planets too.

The Four Beast of Revelation are specifically said to be Living Creatures, whereas a Planet would be an inanimate creation. However, if they were Representative of the Planets, then both our views could be correct...

> They too are full orbs or spheres. In Rev. 4:8, the four beasts each have six wings,
> where the cherubim are represented as having four wings (Ezek. 1:6). This suggests the
> seraphim. Isa. 6:1-4 says of his vision, which is very symbolic like Ezekiel's, "I
> saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne (Saturn), high and lifted up, and his train
> filled the temple (on Earth).

Again, this may be possible...

> And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole
> earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that
> cried, and the house was filled with smoke."

But this again indicates that they were Living Beings, and not Planets, although I understand that All of Creation will praise Him. But this discription of their crying 'Holy Holy Holy' is basically the same as the Four Beasts in Revelaion, "And they rest not day and night saying, 'Holy Holy Holy Lord God Almighty..." The word Beast means 'A Live Thing' from the root word 'To Live' (Strongs), and Thayers says it properly means 'A Living Creature.' Hence, with all the similarities, I would say that the Four Cherubs are refering to the same living creatures in Isaiah, Ezekial, and John. They may be representative of the Constellaions or Planets, which some say 'rule' the constellaions. But it appears that they are living creatures, not planets.

> At this point, we just might be able to see how the four beasts could be seen "in the
> midst of the throne, and round about the throne" in Rev. 4:6. Jupiter is closer to us
> than Saturn. It could overlap Saturn when viewed from Earth. The other planets are
> farther away from us than Saturn. They could appear as if "round about the throne."

Either way, pretty soon our Faith will be Sight and we will be joining them around the Throne to sing Praises to Him! Your brother in Christ, David

My reply

> The Four Beast of Revelation are specifically said to be Living Creatures, whereas
> a Planet would be an inanimate creation. However, if they were Representative of
> the Planets, then both our views could be correct.

I would not want to say that these are not living creatures. However, they seem to represent planets and are personified in the drama.

> I would say that the Four Cherubs are refering to the same living creatures in
> Isaiah, Ezekial, and John.

In Ezekiel, "their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps." That does not sound like living creatures. It sounds more like apparent disks, "Like the sole of a calf's foot," reflecting the sunlight in the sky. They are lively things though. They rotate and orbit in all four directions, indicated by the four faces that were on the standards at the compass points when Israel camped in the wilderness.

> "And they rest not day and night saying, 'Holy Holy Holy Lord God Almighty

That would be a very boring existance for an actual living creature. Yet, all of creation praises him day and night.

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Well it seems that Rapture theory could very well be true because the Bible says that Christ will return on the clouds and just as lightning flashes from East to West all eyes will see him. This is obviously not related to the other scripture that says that " He will come like a theif in the night". The scripture also says that no one knows the day or the other when this event will take place, not even the Son of Man. So I believe that setting a date for this event (fun as it may be) is futile.

My reply

Mt. 24:27 says, "as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." This is the Second Advent, not the Rapture, as you have discerned.

When he comes at the Pre-Trib Rapture, he will come in the air. I Thess. 4:17 says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." This group is the redeemed "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" of Rev. 5:9.

At the Pre-Wrath Rapture, "the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night" (I Thess. 5:2). That day does not concern overcomers. Verse 4 says, "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." This group is the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" of Rev. 7:9.

That day does concern naked lukewarm Laodiceans. Rev. 16:15,16 says, "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments (i.e., white robes), lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." This is the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Armageddon is drawing near.

You don't need to know the date of the upcoming Rapture, but be ready and watching. It can't be far away. BTW, the word "knoweth" in Mt. 24:36 is present tense. It was true the day it was stated. It does not say that we will never know.

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How do you keep up with all the e-mail you get? Your a SENIOR WONDER.

My question for you is this, I was reading that the Jews do not include 250 years in their calander because the refused to acknowledge the period of Phoenician rule. Is this true? I read so much I am sorry to say I can't for the life of me remember the source I read this bit of info from, but if this were true would'nt it place the Jewish calander a lot closer to the 6000 year mark... Any ideas regarding this or have you heard it before? Also wanted you to know I posted the book "Antichrist and a cup of tea" to you today, sould get it this week sometime. We are under about three and a half feet of snow here in west michigan so getting out has been a bit of a problem.

Looking forward to your input on both this e-mail and the book.

Gods Richest Blessing to you and Ed

My reply

Thanks for your nice comments and for loaning me the book.

> How do you keep up with all the e-mail you get?

I don't. I wish I could. I am behind, but keep plugging away the best I can.

> I was reading that the Jews do not include 250 years in their calander because the
> refused to acknowledge the period of Phoenician rule. Is this true?

I don't know. I figure that in BC 3761, when the Jewish Calendar began, it was really 283 years after Adam was created. (0 AH = BC 4044/43 = 283 BJE (before Jewish Era). I don't know why they set it when they did, but have heard some things about it. I just haven't had time to check them out.

I think Adam was tried during the Dispensation of Innocence 40 years before he was judged and cast out of The Garden of Eden. From that time on, man was tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil. I figured that man's test since that day (BC 4004/3) was 6000 years, and that 5758 was the 6000th year. Because of dealing with the Jewish calendar that starts in the fall and ours that starts in January, it is very easy to make a mistake of one year. However you figure it, we are somewhere in the vicinity of the 6000th year since man began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil.

> three and a half feet of snow

My goodness. I never was in that much snow, except in drifts. Eighteen inches is all I can remember. I think that 42" would present quite a few problems. Snowbound comes to mind.

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Was just reading through some of your material and this one reminded me of a book I read by G.A. Pember called Earth's Earliest Ages. Have you by chance read it? It is a valuble resource. I am facinated by the work of some of our earlier researchers like the Rev. Hislop, G.A. Pember and Rev. Larkin. These men had phonomenal wisdom in their studies. Yours too... I have been asking the Lord to Bless me with even a tiny bit of that wisdom to search His word with... It just blows me away some of the insight you people come up with. I am spritually JEALOUS!!!

Keep on plugging away, those of us with insight handicapps sure appreciate it. Love in Christ

My reply

I have read Hislop, Pember and Larkin. I think I have Pember's book, but checked out the others at the Library. I got a lot out of all three. If I remember right, I learned what the four standards at the cardinal compass points around the camp in the wilderness were from Larkin.

Thanks for the kudos. I study hard, but the insight must be regulated by the Lord. I learn as I write. It happened so many times when I was writing my books, and it happens now answering email. I can start to write something, and all of a sudden I see something that I did not see before, or see clearly what was dim before. I have to give Him the credit.

It was like that when I found out where Heaven was located. I was working on chapter four of Revelations 2000. I had to stop on it and write about Heaven. It grew from a six-page report to 30 pages. When it got to 150 pages, I knew it was going to be a book, a totally unexpected book. It was like it wanted to be written. My first book took 23 years of writing. Heaven Found only took a few months. I was flabergasted.

The light dawned on the meaning of "jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald" (Rev. 4:3) as I typed. I hadn't given it a whole lot of thought before, but it hit me that the jasper and sardine were the first and last in the breastplate of the High Priest. Emerald stood for the tribe of Judah. All these point to Christ. He said he was the first and last in Rev. 1:17; 22:13. I think his throne is on Saturn, and that the rainbow stands for Saturn's seven rings. They are ice crystals and reflect all colors of the spectrum as they sparkle in the sun.

It is 12:57 AM. Gotta quit for the day.

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I been reading following your web site for a year and a half or so and I feel that I have been blessed. I very rarely send e-mail to others regarding my opinions. However, one statement that you keep making really bothers me because I'm really trying to come up with the same numbers so to speak. You said: "Jack forgot that if the first year was from May 1948 to May 1949, the 50th year would be from 1998-1999." I just don't see this 50 years. It still looks like 51 to me. Please see below and if you have time please respond back. Love in Christ

May 1948 to May 1949 1 year
May 1949 to May 1950 2 years
May 1950 to May 1951 3 years
May 1951 to May 1952 4 years
May 1952 to May 1953 5 years
May 1953 to May 1954 6 years
May 1954 to May 1955 7 years
May 1955 to May 1956 8 years
May 1956 to May 1957 9 years
May 1957 to May 1958 10 years
May 1958 to May 1959 11 years
May 1959 to May 1960 12 years
May 1960 to May 1961 13 years
May 1961 to May 1962 14 years
May 1962 to May 1963 15 years
May 1963 to May 1964 16 years
May 1964 to May 1965 17 years
May 1965 to May 1966 18 years
May 1966 to May 1967 19 years
May 1967 to May 1968 20 years
May 1968 to May 1969 21 years
May 1969 to May 1970 22 years
May 1970 to May 1971 23 years
May 1971 to May 1972 24 years
May 1972 to May 1973 25 years
May 1973 to May 1974 26 years
May 1974 to May 1975 27 years
May 1975 to May 1976 28 years
May 1976 to May 1977 29 years
May 1977 to May 1978 30 years
May 1978 to May 1979 31 years
May 1979 to May 1980 32 years
May 1980 to May 1981 33 years
May 1981 to May 1982 34 years
May 1982 to May 1983 35 years
May 1983 to May 1984 36 years
May 1984 to May 1985 37 years
May 1985 to May 1986 38 years
May 1986 to May 1987 39 years
May 1987 to May 1988 40 years
May 1988 to May 1989 41 years
May 1989 to May 1990 42 years
May 1990 to May 1991 43 years
May 1991 to May 1992 44 years
May 1992 to May 1993 45 years
May 1993 to May 1994 46 years
May 1994 to May 1995 47 years
May 1995 to May 1996 48 years
May 1996 to May 1997 49 years
May 1997 to May 1998 50 years
May 1998 to May 1999 51 years

My reply

Thanks for setting me straight. I wasn't aware that I did that. I'm always afraid of making an error of one year, and I did it--and on our calendar, not even working between the Jewish one and ours, which is harder. Sorry about that. In spite of working with numbers, it is not easy for me. I do not have a mathmatician's head. I try to double check things, but sure missed that one.

I think I quickly figured that the first year ran from 1948 to 1949. Therefore, 1948 + 50 = 1998 and 1949 + 50 = 1999, so the 50th year would be from May 1998 to May 1999. Guess it doesn't work like that. It just seems that if the first year started in 1948 that the last year would start in 1998. Oh well. It doesn't.

This means that if the 50 years applies, it has to be figured from May 11, 1949, when Israel was admitted into the United Nations, not when she declared her Independence. That was when her War of Independence that started Nov. 29, 1947, when the UN voted to partition Palestine, was over. The cease-fire was Jan. 7, 1949. In 1949, she signed armistice agreements with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. Before that, she was fighting to stay grafted into her old rootstock.

I'm hoping for the Rapture next Pentecost. It is the only feast that falls in May. It is also the only one that definitely belongs to the Church. By that time, the winter is past and the rain is over and gone.

I thought it would be last Pentecost because that was the last Sunday Pentecost within the 40 years since the Sign of the End of the Age in 1967. After that, I found out that there is another calendar (Orthodox) besides the one I have (Talmudic). On the Orthodox calendar, every Pentecost is on Sunday. I think that fits Leviticus 23 much better. Rev. 1:10 seems to indicate a Sunday Rapture too. Maybe May 23 will be the event of a lifetime. I can't think of a better name for the event, either. Can you imagine how great it will be? Faith will become reality. It can't come too soon. Agape

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5) BLEAK OUTLOOK FOR BADLY NEEDED RAIN
Senior meteorologists are now predicting the anticipated rainfall for this winter will be below average, with this already being the driest winter in over 70 years. Earlier in the season, they had predicted average or above average rain.

Despite last week's localized floods in the Carmel regions, the rainfall from the brief showers did not effect the level of the Sea of Galilee further to the east.

There has not been any significant rainfall this year, and rabbis have urged everyone to continue to recite the prayer for rainfall in the daily prayers.

Damage to farms and other sectors have been very high and for the coming days, there are no predictions of any significant precipitation. (IsraelWire, January 5, 1999)

PRAYER FOCUS: Continue to pray that God will pour out the blessing of rain on this nation.

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Re: May 31, 1998
I just found this website (January 9, 1999) and I was wondering exactly how you know that the first rapture would be on May 31, 1998?? I was under the impression that no one would know of the exact day or hour. Wouldnt there be some type of sign that there was a rapture? Please explain, if you wouldnt mind. Thank you.

My reply

The Rapture did not happen on Pentecost Sunday, May 31, 1998. I may have only missed it one year. I'm hoping for Pentecost Sunday, May 23, 1998. Here are a couple of files that will give you more information on both:

http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1998.html
http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html

As for no one knowing, Mt. 24:36 says, "knoweth." That is present tense. No one knew on the day it was stated. Jesus did not say that we would never know.

I am not saying that the Rapture will definitely happen next Pentecost. I am not a prophet. All I can do is look at the clues and tell how it looks to me.

Maybe we are being sifted by Satan while we wait. Jesus said, "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you AS WHEAT." This sounds like we are to be sifted. We are wheat (Mt. 13:30). Queen Esther was purified 12 months before she was taken to the king. This is similar to the customary engagement of about 12-months to prove that a bride was a virgin. Pentecost to Pentecost would be about 12 months.

We who would be the Bride of Christ must be wise virgins. Get ready, confess all known sins since accepting Christ, and stay ready. No matter how you figure it, the Rapture can't be very far away.

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