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working @ it hard, I see... hope things are well... may the power of the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ protect, heal, cleanse and give you wisdom in your ministry to get out the imminent return of our Lord... the day is near...

"for without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins" and "life is contained within the blood"... fortunately we have ETERNAL life through ACCEPTING the blood of the Lamb (JESUS) as truly the ONLY atonement for our sins... as we are sprinkled by the blood of the Lamb when we are TRULY "born-again" (as JESUS said to the Pharisee), we shall have favor with the Lord; I ask for favor for you and your family and I know that we who are "IN-CHRIST" already rein as PRIESTS and KINGS by His authority... let us BIND satan and LOOSE knowledge so the "people will not perish".

keep up the good work

NOTE: an interesting thing about 5.23.1999 is that in BIBLICAL numbering (NOT satan's counterfeit of numerology!!), the date means: GRACE over DEATH through FAITH by the GIFT of the Holy Spirit (JESUS)... for we serve one GOD with 3 manifestations; but there is only one name under Heaven and earth that we must be saved; not god, not spirit BUT by having a personal relationship with the Lord JESUS CHRIST and believing and accepting that His blood is the ONLY means to inherit the "way, the truth and the life"... for NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT through ME".... the generic god so many people serve is not the true GOD of HEAVEN and EARTH... if we don't know JESUS, we truly don't know the REAL Living GOD... all else is counterfeit and really founded in worshipping satan... for even our LORD said "you're either FOR ME or AGAINST Me".

blessings, love, honor and respect for your hard work... the WAKE up call is working and people are thinking; even if you're WRONG or RIGHT about the dates, I think MANY have benefited from the increased knowledge... many will not perish as a result of your work.

My reply

> working @ it hard, I see... hope things are well

Things are going as well as can be expected at this point. As always, I work as hard as my body will let me. I have been a very hard worker in my lifetime. Many times I have done man's work, setting out carton's of paper, pens, binders, etc. to be brought from the whse. to the Univ. of Tenn. bookstore where I was in charge of Supplies, digging post holes and building a fence, helping dig a 28' Doughboy swimming pool about halfway into the ground, carrying the dirt in a box to a bank on the other side of the house, helping build a deck around it, building a stone fire pit, helping mix and lay cement for patio, laying both vinyl (over 1000 sq. ft.) and ceramic tile (about 1000 sq. ft.), helping move both our drapery shop and household stuff, mixing paint, putting away shipments of paint when we had a paint and wallpaper store in the same building as our drapery store, etc.

In spite of it all, I was doing ok until I got pneumonia and because home alone, tried to get something to eat for lunch with 104 temperature. I fainted, went straight down on my tail bone and injured my spine. It will never be the same. Then we were rearended senselessly by a hit-and-run driver (six lanes and we were the only car on the road over on the right). I got whiplash in my whole back. Went to the chiropractor for months. My back is so bad, I can hardly haul myself out of bed in the morning. I walk crooked at first. It gets better as I move around though. I am better off staying active.

Ed and I walked one whole floor in the mall yesterday. Our goal is to get back to walking both floors five days a week. I still ride my bike sometimes with the grandkids. If Ed can just get the strength back in his legs, he says he might try his bike, but I have my doubts that he will be able to do it. He walks with a cane now to keep from falling. That heart attack and bypass surgery sure took a lot of strength out of him. I'm 70, but he will be 75 in March.

> may the power of the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ protect, heal, cleanse and give
> you wisdom in your ministry to get out the imminent return of our Lord. the day is near.


> an interesting thing about 5.23.1999 is that in BIBLICAL numbering...the
> date means: GRACE over DEATH through FAITH by the GIFT of the Holy Spirit

Please explain this in detail. I see that 5 means grace. After that, I don't know. Two means unity, three trinity. I'm lost. Maybe I had better go get some breakfast so I can think better.

> the WAKE up call is working and people are thinking

Thanks. That makes it all worth while.

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Re: Saturn correlation
Glad to see your page up after a 5 day absent. Miss it when it's not up. Hope you got your drapery order done and delivered and Ed is progressing.

Ran across this in my perusing the net from the page listed below.

From Hislop, The Two Babylons,"Saturn" seems to be quite tied in with the Babylonian and the papalcy/end-time beast system. My question is have you ever read anything comparable? You believe that Saturn is the throne of God, yet here is one writing from over a hundred years ago tying it to the enemy.

The following is for your reference. Thanks for your time. In Christ
The Two Babylons Or The Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife

By the Late Rev. Alexander Hislop
The Two Babylons First published as a pamphlet in 1853--greatly expanded in 1858

Chapter VII, Section V. The Name of the Beast, the Number of His Name--the Invisible Head of the Papacy

The name of the system is "Mystery" (Rev 17:5). Here, then, we have the key that at once unlocks the enigma. We have now only to inquire what was the name by which Nimrod was known as the god of the Chaldean Masteries. That name, as we have seen, was Saturn. Saturn and Mystery are both Chaldean words, and they are correlative terms. As Mystery signifies the Hidden system, so Saturn signifies the Hidden god. *

* In the Litany of the Mass, the worshippers are taught thus to pray: "God Hidden, and my Saviour,  have mercy upon us." (M'GAVIN'S Protestant) Whence can this invocation of the "God Hidden" have come, but from the ancient worship of Saturn, the "Hidden God"? As the Papacy has canonised the Babylonian god by the name of St. Dionysius, and St. Bacchus, the "martyr," so by this very name of "Satur" is he also enrolled in the calendar; for March 29th is the festival of "St. Satur," the martyr. (CHAMBER'S Book of Days)

To those who were initiated the god was revealed;  to all else he was hidden.

Now, the name Saturn in Chaldee is pronounced Satur; but, as every Chaldee scholar knows, consists only of four letters, thus--Stur. This name contains exactly the Apocalyptic number 666:--  S = 060, T = 400, U = 006, R = 200

If the Pope is, as we have seen, the legitimate representative of Saturn, the number of the Pope, as head of the Mystery of Iniquity, is just 666. But still further it turns out, as shown above, that the original name of Rome itself was Saturnia, "the city of Saturn." This is vouched alike by Ovid, by Pliny, and by Aurelius Victor. Thus, then, the Pope has a double claim to the name and number of the beast. He is the only legitimate representative of the original Saturn at this day in existence, and he reigns in the very city of the seven hills where the Roman Saturn formerly reigned; and, from his residence in which, the whole of Italy was "long after called by his name," being commonly named "the Saturnian land." But what bearing, it may be said, has this upon the name Lateinos, which is commonly believed to be the "name of the beast"? Much. It proves that the common opinion is thoroughly well-founded. Saturn and Lateinos are just synonymous, having precisely the same meaning, and belonging equally to the same god. The reader cannot have forgotten the lines of Virgil, which showed that Lateinos, to whom the Romans or Latin race traced back their lineage, was represented with a glory around his head, to show that he was a "child of the Sun." Thus, then, it is evident that, in popular opinion, the original Lateinos had occupied the very same position as Saturn did in the Mysteries, who was equally worshipped as the "offspring of the Sun." Moreover, it is evident that the Romans knew that the name "Lateinos" signifies the "Hidden One," for their antiquarians invariably affirm that Latium received its name from Saturn "lying hid" there. On etymological grounds, then, even on the testimony of the Romans, Lateinos is equivalent to the "Hidden One"; that is, to Saturn, the "god of Mystery." *

  While Saturn, therefore, is the name of the beast, and contains the mystic number, Lateinos, which contains the same number, is just as peculiar and distinctive an appellation of the same beast.

My reply

I got the swags and cascades finished and delivered. Ed is fine except keeps having mild symptoms of a cold. I give him Vit. C and it goes away, but the fight saps his energy. We are not taking a walk today. I want him to rest since he feels like resting. I believe in listening to your body.

> have you ever read anything comparable?

I have read Hislop's "Two Babylons." I think it is very well done. I know of no one else that has put together such a complete work on this. Everyone should read it. It is an eye-opener.

Satan is not dumb. He has tried to counterfeit as many things that are true as he has found demonically possible. At Babel, Nimrod was the father, Semiramis the mother and Tammuz the son, who was supposed to have been killed by a wild boar and to have come back to life. Semiramis and Tammuz were worshiped as madonna and child. Both Nimrod and Tammuz were worshiped as Saturn and the sun god. It was all a parody on the truth. Satan hopes to confuse mankind into rejecting the real Son of God, who will return as the "Sun of righteousness" (Mal. 4:2).

I think Satan tried too hard. By the very things he zeroed in on to try to confuse mankind, we can see that he had prior knowledge of Christ's sacrifice, the location of His throne and that the Father and Son were one Elohim.

Satan had personally been to the LORD's throne. He knew exactly where it was in Job 1:6,7. It says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels) came to present themselves before the LORD (in Heaven), and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

Satan not only knew where Heaven is located, he knew where Earth is located and how to travel between them. This reveals his knowledge of quite a bit of our Solar System.

Have you ever considered that Christ is Lord of the Shabbat (Sabbath) and that he is Lord of Shabbtai (Saturn)? The former is the seventh day (Lev. 23:3). The latter is the seventh original planet (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Rahab, Jupiter and Saturn). Zech. 3:9 in the LXX says, "as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). It is not only the seventh planet, it has seven rings. To top that off, God's number is seven.

The church of "Thyatira" (which means thoroughly married) (Rev. 2:18) is a conglomerate of the Babylonian Mystery Religion and Christianity. The head of "Thyatira" today is the Pontifex Maximus, exactly as Nimrod was called. This amalgamation came to pass when Constantine made Christianity the state religion. After the Pre-Trib Rapture pulls out the overcomers, and more leave afterward because the Lord says, "Come out of her, my people" (Rev. 18:4), what is left and manipulated by Satan during the Tribulation will truly deserve the name of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev. 17:5). It will be the Tower of Babel completed. As the first attempt to build it was stopped, so the completion of it will be destroyed. It "shall be found no more at all" (Rev. 18:21).

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I have wrote to you several times, sometimes pro, a few times con. But I like that you are getting the Gospel out.

I do have a disagreement though about a statement you made in your web site about satan:

Hang in there. This is probably a test, Satan being allowed to sift us in a sieve as wheat, a separating the wise from the foolish. Luke 22:31 says, "the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may SIFT YOU AS WHEAT." Since we are wheat, we are probably being sifted also. Stay strong and stay ready no matter how long it takes.

The Bible clearly says satan desires to "HAVE US" that he may be able to sift us as wheat. Marilyn, as long as he doesn't have us, he CAN'T sift us as wheat. Satan wanted Peter but as long as he didn't have him he couldn't do anything to him. WE are NOT being sifted by that stinking cockroach IF we're living for Jesus. Just my .02. God Bless

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> I like that you are getting the Gospel out.

Thanks. I sure try hard.

True, Satan does not have us in that he does not own us. We belong to the Lord forever. Yet, Job was a believer, and Satan was allowed to test him.

If we were not tested, couldn't Satan say that it was not fair, that we would have failed if we had been tested? Doesn't it seem likely that God would allow us to be tested to show Satan that in spite of trials, we hold on to our faith?

What does "the trial of your faith" mean to you? I Peter 1:5-8 says of believers, "Who are kept (guarded) by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed (apokaluphenai) in the last time (year? as in Rev. 12:14). Wherein ye greatly rejoice, through now (in the last year?) for a season (short time), if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That THE TRIAL OF YOUR FAITH, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing (apokalupsei, unveiling, revelation) of Jesus Christ (the Rapture): Whom having not seen, ye love."

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I was on you're website, and I was wondering where you got that info. I go to a Christian school, and we are writing speeches. I thought the rapture would be a good topic. You're website was great for information. (i will put your name on my bibliography just in case you were wondering) Well, I would be willing to back up most of you're information except for the fact about the countdown of 5 months. In the Bible, it isn't recorded when the rapture will take place, only that it will. I'm not disagreeing with you, I would just like to know that you have facts, and proof that that statement is true. a student

Please write back. I think this is a really interesting topic, but I would like to know that it is true.

My reply

I am not a prophet. I can't guarantee to you that what I say is true unless the Bible specifically states it. What I am about to tell you is an educated guess. I have studied the Bible as deep and hard as I can go ever since before 1960 and have written three books. We both must "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (II Tim. 2:15). Here is how it looks to me.

In 1967, Israel fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. In the Six-Day War, she grew leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights).

Psa 122.3,4 (New Jerusalem Bible) says, "Jerusalem, built as a city, in ONE UNITED WHOLE, there the tribes go up, the tribes of Yahweh, A SIGN for Israel to give thanks to the name of Yahweh." Israel took the rest of Jerusalem, including the temple area in 1967. I think the Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age (Mt. 24:3).

In Mt. 24:34, Jesus said, "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." To me, a generation is 40 years. Not only were the Israelites in the wilderness 40 years while one generation died off, but Jesus told the Pharisees, "All these things shall come upon this generation" in Mt. 23:36. They did, in 70 AD, just 40 years after the Crucifixion in 30 AD.

Forty years from 1967 is 2007. On the Jewish calendar, 5727 + 40 = 5767. The millennial Day of the Lord starts on the Feast of Trumpets (Joel 2:1-3). I think it starts on Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). This places the end of this age on Elul 29, 5767 (our Sept. 12, 2007).

This Feast of Trumpets is, I think, the Day of God's Wrath, when the seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth. It seems to be the end of the shortened Tribulation. Counting the 2300 days of Dan. 14 backward by Jewish inclusive reckoning, the Seventieth Week of Daniel (the Tribulation) would then start on an appropriate day, the Feast of Weeks in 2001. Counting the seven months of Ezek. 39:12 forward, we find that Christ would return on the following Nisan 1, because 5768 is a Jewish leap year. (There could only be seven months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 if it was a leap year. Otherwise there would only be six months.) Nisan 1 is an appropriate day, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year, Regnal because Jesus Christ is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords.

This Nisan 1 date can be verified. In De. 11:14, the LORD said, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain." In Israel, the former rain starts Tishri 1 and the latter rain starts Nisan 1. I think these are the times of the first and second advents of Christ. I think He will officially take office as King on Earth on the same day all the other Israelite kings officially took office, Nisan 1.

Joel 2:23 says, "he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month." Since the same word is used in Scripture for month and new moon, the first day of the month is to be assumed unless a day number is mentioned.

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

Ezek. 29:17 sets the day: "in the first month, in the first day of the month." According to Ezek. 45:18,21, we know this is Nisan 1. Then in Ezek. 19:21, we read, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (Logos, Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

That is not all. Do you remember that the Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993 and ratified in Israel three days later on Tishri 1? This ties in beautifully with the seven good years and seven bad years, as when Joseph was in Egypt. Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 + 7 = Sept. 13, 2007. Tishri 1, 5754 + 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, in 2007, the very same day. Isn't that just like God's type of pinpoint planning? I think the Rapture will take place in the good years, just as Joseph took up a fifth of the grain in the seven good years.

So far, we have these projected dates:
(1) Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001), the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost--the beginning of the Tribulation
(2) Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept, 13, 2007), the Feast of Trumpets--the beginning of the Millennium, Coronation Day, the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven; the Day of God's Wrath on Earth
(3) Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008), the Second Advent

Let's look into the Rapture. I believe it has to take place before the Tribulation (Rev. 3:10; 4:1; 5:9). The Tribulation does not begin until Rev. 6. The book of Revelation was written as if the Rapture were at hand. It is "at hand" in 1:3 and 22:10, the first and last chapters. Jesus signed off with, "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture (2:5; 3:11). In producing the script of The Revelation of Jesus Christ, Jesus stood on the pinnacle of the Rapture to look both backward and forward to describe "the things which thou hast seen (things before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" ("hereafter" the Rapture, Rev. 4:1) (Rev. 1:19).

If the Rapture is "at hand," then at that time, there "are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet" (Rev. 17:12). Yet, as the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1, we see that all ten kings are crowned. This shows me that there is a gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation. How much of a gap?

In the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9, three years are mentioned, and then one more. Are the three 5759, 5760, 5761 (1999, 2000 and 2001)? Is the extra one the first year of the Tribulation, before war breaks out when the second seal is broken? I can't be certain, but it seems reasonable that 5759 could be the year of the Rapture.

I think the Rapture will take place on Pentecost. It is the only feast that particularly belongs to the Church. The time of year fits in with Song of Solomon 2:10-14, which seems to give time clues for the Rapture of the Bride of Christ. It says, My beloved (Christ, Son of David) spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY (the Rapture of the Bride of Christ). For lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (Christ), in the secret...of the stairs."

I left out "of birds" and "places" since they are italicized and not in the original. They tend to obscure the meaning. The singing of the new song is right after the Rapture (Rev. 5:9). This is the secret of the stairs, reminding us of Jacob's ladder. The bottom was on Earth, the top in Heaven. Angels went up and down on it.

The former rain in Israel starts Tishri 1 (Unger's Bible Dictionary, p.165). The latter rain starts on Nisan 1 (Unger, p. 163). Winter is the rainy season. Therefore, the rainy season starts Tishri 1 and ends Nisan 30. Since the "winter is past, the rain is over and gone," the three feasts of Tishri and the three feasts of Nisan are eliminated. Only Pentecost is left for the Rapture. The Church was born on Earth on Pentecost in 30 AD. Maybe the Church will be born into another new world (Heaven) on Pentecost too.

In Israel, flowers begin to bloom even before spring, but by April, Mt. Carmel is a riot of blossoms. In April, there are so many turtledoves that it seems that they are cooing from every tree and bush. They stay until October. There are green figs at Pentecost. Grapes begin to ripen in Sivan, the month of Pentecost.

What do you think? Could next Pentecost be the greatest day of our lives? the day of the Rapture? I am hoping that it is.

Dr. Tabor is translating the Bible for the Original Bible Project. He wrote me, "I am sure you have looked at Jeremiah 5:24 before. There we have reference to our former and latter rains--and how they come in their proper TIME, but also we read: 'and he keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest.'" I love it. The Lord is keeping Shavuot (Pentecost). It is the time of the wheat harvest, and we are wheat.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape ALL these things that shall come to pass (i.e., the Tribulation), and to stand before the Son of man" (as in the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:13). We should use I John 1:9 and confess our known sins so the Lord can cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

"The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins" (1 Peter 4:7-8).

One more thought comes to mind. In Mt. 24:36, the word "knoweth" is present tense. It was true when stated. Jesus did not say that no one would ever know. We were to watch. I think what we were watching for was the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War, when Israel grew leaves and fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34.

I would appreciate knowing what you think about all this.

Her reply

Thank you for replying. I read what you wrote, and it all makes sense. Thanx again.

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I have been reading some notes of yours, which you put out over the net in 1997 regarding The Rapture and your ideas about when scripture says it will be. It was great reading and I agree on almost everything. Obviously the date for 1998 was wrong but Jesus said no one could predict the EXACT time. I do agree with you though that Spirit filled Christians will be aware that the time is at hand and there are lots of clues for us. You mentioned many in your article. And I feel it is getting very close.

I have only just read your article, it was printed off the net for me by my sister and has only just reached my attention. I wonder if you have any fresh insight into this subject since then, maybe a website or a book?

I would be grateful for any comments Your sister in Christ

My reply

I still have my Web site. You might enjoy reading this file for starters:

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