Pro and Con 25

Email forwarded to me, Re: Babylon

You said to Marilyn Agee:
> > You make some good points. I will surely keep it in mind. Thanks for sharing.

Another's reply to his original email about Babylon being America:

In regard to your message about judgment on America, I believe that judgment must come, not only because of the immorality that we have foisted onto the world by our mass media but also because of our failure consistently to provide adequate support for Israel. Since the Yom Kippur War when Europe and the US felt the squeeze of the oil embargo, we have catered to Arab interests from fear of another embargo. It will yet come. As Job said, "That which I greatly feared has come upon me."

We have pressured Israel to accede to outrageous demands by the Arabs and forced Israel to give "land for peace" against Israel's best interests. Had we maintained firm support for Israel we would not now be in the position of having strengthened the hand of Arab terrorists and blackmailers. They will not back down now. The only way the Israelis can trade "land for peace" is to give it ALL back to the Arabs and then go drown themselves in the Mediterranian so that they cannot rise up later to win it back.

It is incomprehensible that former Irgun leaders could be so foolish as to believe that they can appease the Arabs. It did not take me long as a naive American in the Middle East to ascertain that there is no end point to Arab demands until they have it all. The more they get the more they will expect to take. Israel has to win ALL of her wars. The Arabs only have to win one. Peres and Rabin must have been fully cognizant of all of that, yet they sold out their country. Somewhere on the internet was the correlation between the name Peres and the "Mene, Mene, Tekel Upharson", stating that Peres means "dividing". America has always demanded that Israel give back terriroty they won against staggering odds, beginning with the 1956 Suez crises, giving back the Sinai, Gaza, major parts of the West Bank and now they are demanding the Golan Heights. If Syria gets it back they will use it only as a strategic position to attack Israel and to shut off the water supply to the Sea of Galilee and to all of Israel. Israeli and American politicians must know that but pressure is still being applied. Israel already is in an indefensible position. Once again they are repeating the sins of their fathers in placing their confidence in the hand of man instead of trusting God.

I hope it is true as rumored that they have the neutron bomb and possibly the red mercury bomb. Better that they turn back to God en mass.

The US is no better in the end than Egypt was as noted in Isa. 30. For our betrayal we'll pay the price in judgment. The Jewish still are God's Chosen People, and judgment comes to those who mistreat them.

Of course, since God knows the end from the beginning this was predicted in the Word. Thank God, individuals can escape the full scope of the wrath because of Jesus' sacrifice, on a one-by-one basis. thank god for His mercy. Maranatha.

Incoming Email, Re: Secret of Secrets

I have just recently found your books and your web site. great job on all fronts! I have downloaded all the files off your site, and have really enjoyed the articles. Surely the Lord is at the the Door(s) and His Coming is upon us! Let everything in the Temple say "Glory"!

If you can, at your convenience, help me with something. You list Robert Ware's material "Rapture 1998 - Astronomical Proof" in one or two of your Pro and Con sections. My search turns up his web site, BUT... my server (compuserve) gives me a "That's Forbidden" message (i.e I can't get access) when i try to go there. Is that material posted somewhere else that you know of, that i might look at it? Thanks for your help!

Again, your material is compelling and exciting, and your spirit is admirable toward your combative emailers - a real Glory to God!

Keep plowing...until that Day!

My reply

I like that "great job on all fronts!...your material is compelling and exciting, and your spirit is admirable toward your combative emailers - a real Glory to God!" Many thanks. I try hard.

I agree with you that the Lord's coming is soon. One would have to have blinders on to think things could go on much longer. We even have a MARC being introduced by two Canadian banks.

As for Bob Ware's Web site. It is offline at present. You can write him at 727 West Putnam Ave., Porterville, CA 93257. His latest letter to me said, "The Lord is continuing to bless me with new insights into His infinite designs for history's timeline."

One of the things I remember is that 1998 really stands out because it is the midpoint in a Leap Year, Prime Year, Midpoint, Prime, Leap sequence. If you add these years, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000, you get 9990. Divide that by 2 and you get 4995, the Gematria (numeric value of the letters) of the Hebrew Alphabet. This is just the tip of the iceburg.

Your "Keep plowing" is sure descriptive of the way I have to operate. Everything I do is as hard as "they" can make it. I have to just keep on plowing, finding a workaround past the boulders thrown in my path, and things finally get done somehow. I thank the Lord for lending me of some of his strength. Without him, I could do nothing.

Incoming FAX

The Rabbi who states about the priesthood having to be between 30 and 50 yrs would leave May 31, 1998 out of the picture.

My reply

Maybe not. What if the time began to be counted at the Sign of the End of the Age in 1967? The last generation began to be counted then. Why not the priesthood of Israel? (1967 + 30 = 1997) (1967 + 50 = 2017) Isn't the Seventieth Week of Daniel within that time frame? Don't the 144,000 believing Jews of the Tribulation years preach during that time frame?

What really makes this scenario seem logical is that the priesthood resides in the Church now (all believers are priests), but what happens after the Rapture? Israel will take over after her clock restarts and begins to tick off the Seventieth Week of Daniel. Moses and Elijah's return will have a lot to do with helping Israel come to the place of understanding. Thus, it is reasonable to expect that the Tribulation will fall within this 30-50 year span of time.

Since the 30th year is 1997, and Israel is now eligible to take over as priests, the Church is now free to be taken to Heaven. The Lord never leaves himself without a witness on Earth.

It would be very like the Lord to begin and end the Church era on Pentecost. The spring feasts in Nisan had to do with Christ's first advent. Pentecost belongs to the Church. The fall feasts in Tishri have to do with the beginning of the Millennium. The secret of the stairs in Song of Solomon 2:10-14 shows that there are green figs and the firstripe grapes when the Rapture takes place. This fits May 31 just right. The first grapes ripen at the end of May and the beginning of June. Also, the rains of Nisan are over. This rules out the feasts in Nisan. The Rapture has to be in the spring, so what else is left but Pentecost?

Moses and Elijah will also come on Pentecost after Israel's grace period is up. The Holy Spirit will empower them that day for their 1260 days of prophesying. Israel's clock will restart on that Pentecost/Feast of Weeks.

Job 11:6 says that "the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!"

"Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come."

What happened at Sinai on Pentecost? Israel was espoused to the Lord. He chose her at that time as his Bride. Like Vashti, Israel now refuses to come when called, so she is given a bill of divorcement and the Lord will take a new Bride from among the virgins, like Esther.

Esther was taken to the king after "twelve months" (Esther 2:12). That is interesting. From June 5, 1997 to May 31, 1998 would fit the type there very well. So, what happened during those twelve months. These "were the days of their purifications" (Esther 2:12). This is exactly what the Church should see to during this time. It is supremely important for the virgins to be purified.

Incoming Email

Your chronology was interesting--you sound as if time has consumed your life---remember if you guess than he won't come. So I am sorry to say that you are already wrong. :)

My reply

Time has not consumed my life, but the study of the Bible has. I have, with the Lord's help, been able to understand many things in the Bible that others have not fully understood. For instance, I know what the cherubim and flaming sword of Genesis 3:24 are and what the flaming sword will do to Earth as the Millennium begins. I know where Heaven is actually located. I know what caused the chaos on Earth before Adam was created.

As for time, I keep trying to find something that would indicate some other time, but everything I find points to the same time.

The Sign of the End of the Age was when Israel grew leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, West Bank) in 1967 and fulfilled the Fig Tree Parable of Mt. 24:32-34. Israel was still young, 19 (like the young when Israel came out of Egypt). One 40-year generation (as Israel's years in the wilderness) from that sign is 2007, when the Millennium begins on the Feast of Trumpets. Count back 2300 days (Daniel 8:14) before that to the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) that kicks off the Tribulation (the Seventieth Week of Daniel. Then count back from that the four Jewish years of grace (counted by inclusive reckoning) in the Parable of the Barren Fig tree (Luke 13:6-9), and you come to the Rapture of the Bride of Christ on Pentecost, 1998.

Revelation 1:10 shows that this Rapture is on Sunday, and that is the last Pentecost that falls on Sunday within this 40-year period. The 2300 days is the last time the days between the Feast of Weeks that begins the Tribulation and the Feast of Trumpets that ends the Shortened Tribulation can equal 2300 days within this 40-year period. We have run out of alternatives.

There are different ranks in the resurrection (I Cor. 15:22,23). The Rapture of the rest of the Body of Christ is just before the Wrath of God is poured out on unbelievers on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. A baby takes 40 weeks before it is born. The rest of the Body of Christ will be born into a new world after 40 years.

This is how it looks to me. The Head of the Body of Christ was born into the new world on the Feast of Firstfruits in 30 A.D. The torso has gradually been taken to Heaven as Christians died. The "FIRST of the firstfruits" that is to be taken into the house of the Lord on Pentecost (Ex. 23:16,19) will be when the first foot is born on Pentecost in 1998. The last foot is born when the 40 years are up in 2007.

Another interesting fact has turned up. The first two Jewish settlements were built in the land of Israel in 1878. The year 1878 + 120 years = 1998. The first Rapture is as the days of Noah, when God had given mankind 120 years (Gen. 6:3).

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot, and fire fell that same day. To me, everything fits. What doesn't fit for you?

Incoming Email, Re: Secrets, etc.

Thanks for your kind reply and the info you shared. I'm sure your email traffic alone is a full time job to keep up with, so i appreciate you taking the time to respond.

I am in the middle of your "End of the Age" and being very blessed. I've read all the material on your web site, and am going through it all again. I've been a christian for over 20 years, and i find myself saying "why didn't i think of that?" as i am reading! AWESOME JOB! God is greatly to be praised! He is magnificent in all that He does! His ways are not TOTALLY past finding out!

Please allow me to bless you:
As we prepare for the soon coming King and His call for the Bride, the redemption of Israel, and the judgement of Earth, etc - your call to WAKE UP is the God's main focus of your writing. I am ready to meet the Lord, but many others are not - they are asleep at the spiritual wheel. Your material helps us help others, before the clock stops.

In Colossians 1: 9-14, Paul prays for the church in one of the most annointed prayers of the NT. I have quoted it below, but put it in the first person perspective, so as to be a "prayer of preparation" for any individual as he/she does spiritual inventory of their heart before God - as the End of the Age is upon us:

Colossians 1: 9-14 NASB
"I do not cease to pray for myself, and to ask that I may be filled with the knowledge of Your will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that I may walk in a manner worthy of You, to please You in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of You, God; strengthened with all power, according to Your glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to You, Father, who has qualified me to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. For You have delivered me from the domain of darkness, and transferred me to the kingdom of Your Beloved Son in whom I have redemption, the forgiveness of My sins!"

"Amen. Come, Lord Jesus" Rev 22:20

Thank you for all your hard work. best regards in Jesus, <><

My reply

I appreciate all your kind words, your blessing and the prayer.

> His ways are not TOTALLY past finding out!

After all, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things" (Mark 13:23). Some don't seem to think he meant what he said. All the clues are there in the Bible somewhere. We just have to look for the silver.

Proverbs 2:3-7 says, "Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous."

Also, "the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!" (Job 11:6) is such a good clue. It explains why the recorded history of the Israelites was written down for us. History does repeat itself, by God's design.

According to Daniel 12:10, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." The wise virgins can understand. They are filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit.

I was answering another email and happened to think about the human body taking 40 months before it is born. It fits the last foot of the Body of Christ being born 40 years from the Sign of the End of the Age.

Incoming Email

Thanks for taking tiime to respond. Biblical watching is the act of puttting on faith that works by love (1 Thess. 5:5-10). True, then, in this strictest meaning; we can watch now. However, Christians will not be saved before the Day of the Lord begins, for the Day of the Lord is the Day of our Redemption (Eph. 4:30). The Day that we are to hasten (Greek: earnestly expect) in 2 Pet. 3:21. The Day that as we see approaching, we are to provoke one another to love and good works, and even more so as it approaches (Heb. 10:25).

Now the problem is that the Day of the Lord doesn't come before the night, but it is the night before it dawns: "At midnight there was a cry made"; or literally, the whole Church knew that a new day was upon them in That Night--THE DAY OF THE LORD! Consider, then,

Largely holding to the post-tribulation view, the Ecclesiastical Church has long believed that Christ will not return until the Second Coming. What conflicts with that theory, however, is the fact that Jesus warned of knowing the hour: ". . . Be you also ready: for in such an hour you think not the Son of man cometh" (Matt. 24:44).

The "hour you think not" plainly chronicles a return of Christ before the traditional Second Coming, especially since many in the Church object to the idea that Christ will return any sooner: the "hour you think not." Similarly, the words "be you also ready" also preclude the idea that Christ will wait until the Second Coming to return. Inasmuch, that these words absolutely counsel a need to expect the unexpected, namely, the preceding night-segment of the Lord's Day.

How opposite the idea of preparedness is, compared to that of the eschatological positions -- "the hour you think not." Point in fact: What hour does the Church put the coming of Christ? The answer: pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib and prewrath. Conversely, What hour does the Bible put the coming of Christ? Sometime after the Day of the Lord begins in its preceding Tribulation Night (not a set time). "Watch therefore"! Truly, then, the Bridegroom Return of Christ in That Night is the hour that you think not.

The Lord's Day is nearing. Here lies a serious dilemma for much of today's Church, who, as a whole, doesn't understand simple eschatology (Which came first, the chicken or the egg?). Naturally, as the chicken was here well before the egg, so must the Day of the Lord appear before Jesus Christ returns. This, the Scripture articulates:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (2 Thess. 2:1-3)

A Partial Rapture? That is what the Thessalonians believed. Easily troubled and deceived, the Thessalonians were shaken in mind (Greek: violently disturbed). Severely doubting their faith, they believed that the Lord had left them behind (2 Thess. 2:1-3)!

In admonishing the Thessalonians, Paul didn't chide them for holding the "times (the watches) and the seasons (the harvests)" of the Partial Rapture. Rather, He told them that the Day of Christ must first precede His coming. In other words, Paul assured them that they didn't miss the gathering of the saints, and they weren't left behind. Of course, The Day was yet to begin, as was Christ yet to return. And this is why Paul turned over the flesh of a believer to the Devil, that his spirit might be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 5:5), being the Day of our Redemption (Eph. 4:30). In realizing that the Day must first come, the Thessalonians were to continue in their watching, or continue in faith and love as if Christ were coming in their lifetime (1 Thess. 5:1-8).

In his first letter to the Thessalonians, Paul characterized the coming of the Day of Christ as a thief (1 Thess. 5:4), just as Christ's return will be also (Rev. 16:15). So then, Christ's initial return will not be accompanied with the voice of an archangel, a shout, or the Trump of God. Consequently, when the Thessalonians thought that they were left behind, they weren't looking for these elements in connection with Christ's initial return.

All told, within the biblical directive of "let no man deceive you by any means," Paul went on to record that two things must precede the Day of Christ before Christ's return can become imminent. First, "a falling away," or a notable apostasy must occur. Second, ". . . that the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

Paralleling the above, the following also gives us the precise understanding that the Day of Christ must first appear before the Lord returns. Paul wrote, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philp. 1:6). According to Paul, Christ will perform a good work in us 'til the Day of Jesus Christ. Until then, no man is to know the hour, but is to live in expectancy of the hour within the night That Day. Thus, we are to "approve things that are excellent; that you may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ" (Philp. 1:10). Until when? Until the Day of Christ: "let no man deceive you by any means."

Categorically, the "trib positions," which in a way all allege knowledge of the hour, present insurmountable obstacles in correlating them with the prior night segment of the Lord's Day. Here are those obstacles.
1.) In citing the summertime hours of the four Roman watches of the night, Christ prophetically admonished the end-time Church to watch for the Summer Harvest within the night-segment of the Lord's Day.
2.) The four watches of the night are within the Tribulation, not before it (pre-trib), nor after it (post-trib).
3.) "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night" (1 Thess. 5:2). We "know perfectly," only because the Day of the Lord begins within That Night, which is not before That Night, nor after That Night.
4.) The Tribulation, like Day of the Lord, equates to a biblical period of night that precedes the dawning of That Day (Amos 5:20; Joel 2:2; John 9:4; 2 Pet. 1:19). If this isn't so, then Christ isn't the first light after the night, or the Morning Star of Scripture (Rev. 22:16)!

As related in the above, Christians can't watch in the daylight hours, or before the night-segment of the Day of the Lord. Neither can they watch after the morning, nor after the dawning of the Lord's Day. Squarely, then, the "trib positions" are both biblically and sensibly refuted.

Whether the watches are literal or not, it is wise to realize that the Lord's Day will have a preceding night-segment to it; or rather, that the coming Night of That Day actually exists. First in this witness, is the fact that the Lord's Day, the time of Christ's initial coming, is equated to a period of darkness followed by a morning (Joel 2:2; Amos 5:20; Mark 13:34-35). Secondly, Christ is the bright and Morning Star--or the first light after the night (which is the case of Venus--the literal Morning Star here in Earth's sky.).

If this isn't enough to convince the skeptics, we have a third witness to The Day's preceding night, which is the fact that the Day of the Lord will dawn (2 Pet. 1:19.) Now a day can only dawn after its night inception. Fittingly, we have a fourth witness, because the Day, like Christ Himself, will come as a thief in the night (1 Thess. 5:2)! Moreover, Jesus said, "the night cometh that no man can work." Obviously He spoke of a future night wherein no man can work. Surely, then, we know PERFECTLY that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the Tribulation Night, in the which, we are to watch. And not at prewrath, which, according to those who hold this theory, begins deep in the Tribulation immediately after the Great Tribulation segment of the Tribulation (or 3/4's trib). No, no one knows the hour of the Bridegroom's return.

On the subject of the Great Crowd of Rev. 7, consider, then, After this I beheld, and lo, a GREAT MULTITUDE which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people (Gentiles), and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and 'palms' in their hands. (Rev. 7:9).

The foolish are this Great Multitude:

And one of the elders 'answered' saying unto me, what are these which are arrayed in white robes? And where did they come from? And I said unto him, Sir thou knowest. And he said unto me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb . . . They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. (Rev. 7:9-17)

Why did the elder fail to recognize the identity of the Great Multitude at first? The same reason Jesus didn't know who the foolish were at first: the foolish didn't know love (Matt. 25:12), meaning, they didn't know their God (1 John 4:8).

It isn't logical to conclude that the elder, with his supposed meaningless certitude and total reluctance of memory, didn't know this great crowd of Gentiles. Nor is it logical to assume that the elder didn't know any part of the Gentile Bride arrayed in white, even for a moment. Surely no heavenly being is the slightest bit ignorant in these matters.

When the foolish remain behind, they're going to be very thirsty and hungry for the ways of God in truth. According to John, and analogous to the foolish being hungry, this great multitude "shall hunger no more, neither thirst," which are spiritual characteristics that show this great multitude to be living translated saints, not dead souls. John also tells us that the Lamb shall feed them, which fact, can only constitute the marriage of His remainder Bride.

There are several identifying points earmarking the Great Multitude:
1.) The Great Multitude consists of all peoples. As a matter of fact, these are triumphal Gentile saints who can only belong to the Church. As we know, judgment begins with the Household of Faith, not Israel or any other end-time nation. What is more important, no other people other than the end-time living Church can go to Heaven and marry the Lamb, which act in itself, is to eat at the Wedding Feast! Now this isn't just a good point, but an unalterable biblical fact--we, the Church, alone, hold the promise of Heaven.
2.) Gaining victory over their dire circumstances, this multitude came out of the Great Tribulation. Diversely, the wise of the Church won't be cast into that adversity (Matt. 25:1- 13; 1 Thess. 5:6; Rev. 2:5; 2:16; 2:22; 3:3; 3:10; 3:20; 7:9-17).
3.) The identity of the Great Multitude escaped the elder, yet when John confronted the elder, the elder had an instant and calculating recall, and immediately answered His own questions. Thus, by no means are these new Tribulation converts; who, if that were case, would be accepted and known by Christ without hesitation.
4.) In many good manuscripts the word "sir" is Lord. So the verse really reads, "Lord, thou knowest," instead of "Sir thou knowest" (Rev. 7:14). The elder, who by any standard is not ignorant, is really the Lord Jesus Christ, and He will ultimately know the foolish, whereas at first He didn't (Matt. 25:12).
5.) "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more." Left behind, only the foolish of the Church will hunger and thirst for truths that entitle them to the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. Moreover, only the foolish of the Church will go out to meet Christ in defeat (like the Jews who rejected Him after receiving Him), then in victory (palm branches), like the Jews who will ultimately do the same (Zech. 13:9).
6.) Upon Israel's last harvest of Autumn, the Feast of Tabernacles, the people would rejoice before the Lord waving Palm branches, which symbolically was a celebration of being delivered from the wilderness into the protection of the Lord--the promised land (Lev. 23:34-43). In John's passage, the palm branches signify victory over the Great Tribulation (The Great Tribulation is the wilderness suffered by the foolish because of their unbelief.). "Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (some in the Church must enter therein), and they to whom it was first preached (Israel) entered not in because of unbelief"; "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God" (Heb. 4:6, 9).
7.) By not watching, the foolish won't keep their garments (Rev. 16:15). Thus, it can only be the foolish who will have a need to wash their soiled robes of religion, which, by the context of John's passage, provides proper garments for the Wedding Feast. In dissimilarity to that of the foolish, the wise will be like Christ upon His initial appearing (1 John 3:2), having no need to wash their then sinless robes:

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. (Rev. 16:15)

By the way, Marilyn, "they" is none other than the world: the foolish who professed Christianity will display their shame of being left behind when Christ initially comes; thus without a garment for the Wedding Feast.

My reply

> Christians will not be saved before the Day of the Lord begins,
> for the Day of the Lord is the Day of our Redemption (Eph. 4:30).

Ephesian 4:30 merely says, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye re sealed unto the day of redemption." It says nothing about the Day of the Lord.

The Day of the Lord cannot begin until after Elijah comes. Malachi 4:5 says, "I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." Elijah comes at the beginning of the Tribulation and prophesies 1260 days. The day of the Lord comes at the end of the Shortened 2300-day Tribulation.

Luke 21:28 says, "And when these things (earthquakes, famines, pestilences, signs from heaven) begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." We are at that point today. We have about one earthquake per day. We had one Tuesday felt here in Riverside, CA. Have we had signs from heaven? We saw Jupiter hit by a string of pearls, comet or asteroid pieces, to show us what is going to happen to Earth as the millennial Day of the Lord begins.

The millennial Day of the Lord does not have a 500-year night portion. The first literal day of the 1000-year day does have a night portion. In fact it is the Day of Darkness because of the asteroid impact that day.

Romans 8:22-25 says, "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope...If we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

The Philadelphians are rewarded for their patience by being kept from the Tribulation. Rev. 3:10,11 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." Jesus comes quickly at the Pre-Trib Rapture. At the second Rapture, he sends his angels to gather them.

Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his ANGELS, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven." Those gathered from the Earth are the Tribulation saints. They are the ones to be gathered at the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Those gathered from Heaven are those who were caught up before the Tribulation.

> Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by
> our gathering together unto him, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be
> troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that
> the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that
> day SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that man of
> sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (2 Thess. 2:1-3)

The word translated "Christ" in "day of Christ" is "kuriou," Lord, in some manuscripts. This is corrected in the margin of my KJV Bible, and it is correctly translated as "day of the Lord" in the NIV, NASB, RSV, etc. The Day of the Lord shall not come except there come a departing first, i.e., the first Rapture, before the man of sin can be revealed. The Holy Spirit restrains the wicked one before the Rapture. Then He removes this restraint. This passage is not talking about a falling away, but a departing, as translated in older versions, the Great Bible, Coverdale's, Tyndale's, Beza's, etc.

> In his first letter to the Thessalonians, Paul characterized the coming of
> the Day of Christ as a thief (1 Thess. 5:4), just as Christ's return will be
> also (Rev. 16:15). So then, Christ's initial return will not be accompanied
> with the voice of an archangel, a shout, or the Trump of God.

This is not talking about the Day of Christ, which is the Rapture. It is talking about the Day of the Lord, which is the Millennium. I Thess. 5:2,4 says,"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night....But ye, brethren are not in darkness, that thay day should overtake you as a thief." We are of the day, not of the night."

The Day of Christ is also called the Day of the Son of Man. Luke 17:22 says, "The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days (there are two of them) of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. The two days of the Son of Man are the two Raptures. One is as the days of Noah. The other is as the days of Lot. Luke 17:26 says, "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days (plural) of the Son of man."

> the Day of Christ must first appear before the Lord returns. Paul wrote,
> "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in
> you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philp. 1:6).

This is correct. The Raptures will both take place before the Second Advent.

> Christ is the bright and Morning Star--or the first light after the night

A morning star is any planet seen from midnight until dawn. After the night, it cannot be seen because the sunlight obscures it.

Christ is the morning star because he lives on this particular morning star. Revelation is written as if the Rapture is "at hand." Therefore, Jesus told the churches, "I will give him the morning star" (Rev. 2:28). Heaven will be a morning star at Pentecost, when the first Rapture will take place. Heaven will be an evening star on the Feast of Trumpets, when the second Rapture will take place. That is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

> we know PERFECTLY that the Day of the Lord will come
> as a thief in the Tribulation Night, in the which, we are to watch.

The Day of the Lord will come on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. By then the first Rapture is a decade in the past. It happens in 5758, the second Rapture and the Day of the Lord will happen on the first day of the Jewish 5768.

Incoming Email

I thought I should tell you how much I love your web sight, even though my family thinks I a little complusive with my rereading your 1st book and visiting your web site, they put up with it. I check everyday to see if you have added anything new. For about a week I couldn't get into kiwi net to your web site. It was awful, I was praying that nothing had happened to you.

I have read through your book Heaven Found now as well. At first I didn't want to buy it because I was skeptical that anyone could know where Heaven is, although it has always seemed possible for us to know about the last days. My fear in not purchasing it sooner was that it may discredit your previous work that I was so fond of. I finally bought it and I loved it. Some of the clues from the scriptures still seem obsecure to me--I certainly would never have picked up on them on my own. I was however impressed with your book and I believe it is possible now. I have always pictured heaven so much further away--even outside of the tent of the heavens. I admire your work and am looking so forward to your new book Revelations 2000.

My reply

My server changed upstream providers. I could not get email at that time either. Several told me their email was returned. I just hope that if anyone did not get an answer from me that they would resend.

Sapphire was a really good clue, wasn't it?

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

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