Pro and Con 253
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Incoming Email Re: Your Two Raptures pages
I must let you know, how fantastic it is for me to learn, the revelation of a Philadelphian Pre-Trib Rapture!!!
I just found your page, and read the wonderfully revealed scripture for myself!...You are trully a blessing!
I just turned 35, on Jan.20th, my wife told me we are expecting our fourth child! and we tithed, off the top (not after taxes, for the first time in 11 years!).....and have been very heavily stocking up in our effort to prevent a Y2K related food/water/heat interuption!.
And now I read what God sent me to read, on your site.....You know why He chose to reveal this to me and my wife, after we've stocked up???
My honest feeling is that much of this food/stockpile, is not even for us!...for the martyrs, should we (our family) be "counted worthy"....it is our focus now to earn the prize....not for our own gain, but His Name be glorified, that even one other not need to endure the 42 months of trial....
I love how much I see God seperating the wheat from the chaafe, from our President down to the local neihborhoods....it is an honor to be given this period of time, to be alive for Him. God richly bless you!
My reply > I must let you know, how fantastic it is for me to learn, the revelation
> of a Philadelphian Pre-Trib Rapture!!!
Thank you so much for sharing this with me. Now you know why the Rapture is our "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13) and why Paul said, "comfort one another with these words" (I Thess. 4:18). You also know how it could be possible for Paul to be a "castaway" (I Cor. 9:27) and how a lukewarm Laodicean church could be spewed out of Christ's mouth (Rev. 3:16).
A thought just flitted into my head. Since Eve was taken out of Adam's body on FRIDAY (Gen. 1:27, "male and female"), before the Lord rested on Saturday, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ might also take place on Friday. The Bride could be taken out of the Body of Christ on the same day of the week. Sivan 6 is the 6th day of the week this year.
Next Sivan 6, according to the Talmudic Jewish calendar, is on Friday, May 21, 1999. Here is hope for the Rapture on Sivan 6, 5759, our May 21, 1999.
If my memory serves me right, my email friend in Finland said that he felt a strong force and thought the Rapture was going to happen last Pentecost at the exact time that Saturn rose on the horizon. He said that Saturn rises at 4:36 AM on next May 23 (Pentecost figured as in Lev. 23:15,16) at Jerusalem. Since the "stars" rise 4 minutes earlier each day, I figure that Saturn will rise about 4:28 AM on May 21, at Jerusalem. You can check me out on this. Wouldn't that be a great time for the Rapture?
That would be in the fourth watch of the night (from 3:00 to 6:00 AM). When Jesus came and walked on the sea after departing to a mountain (i.e., Heaven), he came to them "about the fourth watch of the night" (Mk. 6:48). Notice what they were doing. They were in the ship AFTER the other people (i.e., Laodiceans?) had been sent away. "And he saw them TOILING IN ROWING; for the wind was CONTRARY unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night HE COMETH unto them, walking upon the sea" They "all saw him...And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid...And when they had passed over, they came into the land of Gennesaret (the garden of the prince, i.e., the heavenly Garden of Eden) (Mk. 6: 48-53). Adam and Eve were put in the earthly Garden of Eden on Friday.
Also look at the picture in John 6:15-21. "When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again (i.e., the Ascension, he also went to Heaven on Resurrection Day) into a mountain (i.e., Heaven) himself alone (on Resurrection Day, he took the OT saints to Heaven). And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea, And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum (the field of REPENTANCE, city of comfort, or the handsome city). And it was now dark, and Jesus was NOT COME to them (as for us last Pentecost). And the sea arose by reason of the great wind that blew (testing, as when wheat is separated from the chaff). So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs (against the testing wind), they SEE JESUS walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship; and they were afraid. But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid. Then thy willingly received him into the ship: AND IMMEDIATELY THE SHIP WAS AT THE LAND WHITHER THEY WENT" (transported fast).
It seems significant that Capernaum means both "the field of repentance" and the handsome city." The Laodiceans are told to repent. Other church groups are told to repent. Is this trying to tell us to repent and then after a space of time we will be at the handsome city, New Jerusalem? The church in Thyatira is told, "I gave her SPACE TO REPENT" (Rev. 2:21). Are we now living in this space, as Queen Esther was purified for 12 months before being taken to the king (Esth. 2:12)?
The 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation/Seventieth Week of Daniel seem to start on the Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5761 (Monday, May 28, 2001) and end on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). This Sivan 6 is Pentecost on the Talmudic Jewish Calendar in use now by the Jews.
Paul said, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (Phil. 3:14). This high calling is "the trump of God" in I Thess. 4:16, the "great voice, as of a trumpet" in Rev. 1:10, and the "trumpet talking" saying, "Come up hither" in Rev. 4:1.
The Pre-Trib Rapture was foreshadowed by "the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud" when "Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God" at Sinai in the month of Sivan in Ex. 19:16,17.
"And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a VOICE. And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai (type of Heaven, Sani, Saturn), in the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount (i.e., to Heaven); and Moses went up" (Ex. 19:19,20). This a beautiful picture of the Pre-Trib Rapture.
But, look what comes next in this shadow picture. "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down (i.e., to the Earth)...Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up (to Heaven a little later), thou, and Aaron with thee" (Ex. 19:21,24). Doesn't this also picture Moses' ministry as one of the two witnesses during the first half of the Tribulation? Then, when Moses and Aaron went up, wasn't it a picture of Moses and Elijah ascending in the middle of the Tribulation, when "a great voice from heaven" says "unto them, Come up hither" (Rev. 11:12)? "So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them" just as he will do as the Tribulation begins on Pentecost/Feast of Weeks, probably in 2001.
> to endure the 42 months of trial
Actually, the seven-year Tribulation is 42 months (1260 days) (Rev. 11:3) plus another 42 months (1260 days) (Rev. 12:6,14). During this time, trial "shall come upon ALL the world" (lukewarm believers and nonbelievers) (Rev. 3:10).
I think our testing may be one year. Time will tell, but an engagement period was about 12 months to prove that the bride was a virgin. What we want to do is confess every sin we know about that we have committed since we accepted Christ. The Lord will then cleanse us of all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). At this point, we are filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit and are sure to have enough oil to go with the Bridegroom when he comes for his Bride, the wise virgins (Mt. 25:1-12).
We will not sin after we are out of this body. It is called the body of sin. Paul said, "I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air; But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" (i.e., a lukewarm Laodicean foolish virgin) (I Cor. 9:26,27).
> Comet, headed toward earth, with an ETA of August 11-14. This also aligns itself
> with Nostradamus quatrain, the seventh month, 1999.....King of terror of the sky.
Thanks for telling me about this comet. What seems to be a binary asteroid, will impact Earth, probably Sept. 13, 2007 (Rev. 8:8,10; Ezek. 38:19,20). It is called the "king of terrors" in Job 18:14. "It shall dwell in his (the wicked one's, the False Prophet's) tabernacle, because it is none of his (he stole away the church of the Lord); Brimstone shall be scattered upon his habitation (Babylon)." Maybe this comet will be a sign of things to come.
Just think, if the Rapture takes place on Pentecost, Friday, May 21, or Sunday, May 23, 1999 (according to the two methods of computing it), and people see it happen, then this comet comes by soon afterward, people will be able to put two and two together as they never did before.
Many will see the Rapture take place, just as Elias saw Elijah taken up and people saw the Ark rise upon the waters in Noah's day. Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was taken up out of a pit, i.e., out of the Earth), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established by goings. And the hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Revelation 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."
This is an exciting time in which to live, because of our "blessed hope."
PS: If Israel is given one more year in the parable of the barren fig tree, it seems reasonable that the Lord would give the church one more year also.
Lu. 13:6-9 says, " He spake also this parable: A certain man (Christ) had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and HE CAME and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree (Israel), and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone THIS YEAR ALSO, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down."
We are branches that are grafted in. It may relate to us in some way as well as to Israel. The Oslo II Accords were in Sept. 1995 (1995 + 3 = 1998 + 1 = 1999). Food for thought.
Incoming Email Wow that's all caused by a sugar substitute, does coke and Pepsi still use that product? Well it was nice to see your e-mail this morning. Your right it is nice to be able to e-mail back and forth....Well I have a question for you. I thought maybe you might have some scripture for me to read on this or some personal input... a few years ago I was working at --. A friend asked me why god would put us in a place so filled with evil people (meaning our work place). I told him with out even thinking that this is where god wants us right now, and that there was someone at this place that we needed to touch or even save. My question is this, is there a time when I will know my specific purpose here, is there a way to pray for your specific calling or is there something we need to do? Does it just happen? I've always pondered this but at this point in my life and at this point in the world I feel more compelled to seek the Lord. But I always wonder if I'm supposed to be doing something specific, rather than just being a good man. I think that made sense. Any input will be much appreciated. Love you all.
My reply I just checked and aspartame is in Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi and Select Diet Cola. I'll have to check labels frequently now, for they may change to another sweetener soon. I think they used saccharin in diet drinks before Nutrasweet came out, but you can taste it more. Putting some regular in with the diet gets rid of the taste. We like to add a shot of Dr. Pepper to Diet Coke. There are other sweeteners though. Mannitol, Sorbutol and probably some more. We may see some switching.
Some time ago, I heard a preview of the nightly news. They were going to tell something about a sugar substitute, but I didn't catch the newscast. Right away, we could not buy Nutrasweet Spoonful as we had been getting. Stater Bros. took it off the shelf. We started not to be able to find as many brands of Sugar Free Ice Cream, etc. I knew there was a reason, but didn't know what it was until now. Because Ed is diabetic and I would like to shed a few pounds, we kept using diet products, even putting Equal in our cereal. No more.
> work place
Jesus said, "I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" (Mt. 24:16). If we separated ourselves from the world like the Amish do, we could not have much impact on others. Being among the lost gives us a chance to help them see how to be saved. How would they know unless they were told?
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Romans 10:9).
> is there a time when I will know my specific purpose here, is there a way to pray
> for your specific calling or is there something we need to do? Does it just happen.
I have an idea it is different for different people. All I can do is tell you what happened to me.
I Peter 3:15 says, "sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."
I prayed, told God again that I accepted Christ as my own personal Saviour, asked to be filled with His Holy Spirit, and asked Him what He wanted me to do. A very warm feeling of joy came over me.
He didn't show me right away what I was to do, but I had this very strong desire to understand everything in the Bible. I figured it was to be ready to give an answer for the hope that was in me. I exhausted a friend's extensive library and the library at Bethany Baptist Church. After that, I took about an 18" stack of books out of BIOLA library's Seminary Collection every week for seven years.
Then in the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel grew leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank) and fulfilled the fig tree parable of Matthew 24:32-34. They also took the rest of Jerusalem, which fulfilled Luke 21:24. I didn't fully understand it all, but I kept it tucked in the back of my mind for a whole year. It just seemed significant. At times, I pulled it out, mulled it over and then tucked it away again.
Then the day Bobby Kennedy died on the anniversary of the Six-Day War, I knew the Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age. That he died on June 5th was in itself a miracle. He was already brain dead, but God kept his heart beating for about five hours so the date was June 5. To me, it was like punctuation, like the Lord struck his fist in his hand and said, "Look at this date. It's important."
That day, I suddenly understood the main sketch of God's Plan of End-time Events. It just finally jelled in my mind and kinda washed over me. I remember talking to one of Carol's girlfriends about the Beast and the False Prophet that would rule during the seven-year Tribulation. I was excited. My mind was in a whirl that day. I couldn't wait for evening to come when I could get by myself, get quiet, think it through, put it down on paper, and study the scriptures.
Somewhere in those early years of constant study, I started writing a book about the three Babylons, Nimrod's at the Tower of Babel, Nebuchadnezzar's and the False Prophet's. Tired of typing on Ed's portable typewriter on a rickety card table in the kitchen corner all day, one evening at twilight, I grabbed my closed Bible by the heel and threw myself down across the bed, saying to myself, "What am I doing all this work for, it will probably never be published anyway." The room was darkened. I turned on no light. The lined draperies were closed. As suddenly as I hit the bed, I was staring into my open Bible right before my face. There was a rectangle of light on Jeremiah 50:2. I read it over and over in awe. It said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces." I finally whispered, "Ok, I'll continue to study and write, but you'll have to help with the publishing. I don't know anything about that."
Gradually a very different book took shape. Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed took 23 years to write. I was learning constantly and had to incorporate new material into it. Ed got me a big Olympia Model 40 typewriter on my 40th birthday. He didn't realize it was a Model 40, either. That just happened. Even with a good typewriter and a sturdy desk we got at an auction, the going was slow. Carol thought I would always be writing a book, never finishing. Ed finally decided later on that he would like to see the book finished in his lifetime and got me a computer. As I typed it into the computer, that was the seventh time that book had been written from start to finish.
For me, what I was supposed to do evolved. The Lord didn't dump it all on me out of the blue. He first saw to it that I was prepared. Even then, it was a learning/writing/editing/learning/writing/ editing process. And you know, I still study, learn and write. It is an ongoing thing. I can't lay it aside. It is just part of my life. There is a drive in me to try to figure out everything the Lord has packed in the Bible. I want to know. The job is too big for me. There is too much there for anyone to fathom it all in a lifetime, but I try. And many times I get a rush when I find out something new. The hair will stand up on my arms and I'll whisper, "Oh wow."
It was Ed's idea that I get on the Internet. He signed us up as soon as my third book was finished. I had to learn HTML, but I had my Web page up within a month. It seems like I have been answering email ever since. I'm still giving an answer for the hope that is in me.
Incoming Email Getting out of Bed?!
Mj, I just couldn't pass this one up. On the last incoming letter in ProCon 251 the person said something to the effect of how to deal with the depression when you climb out of bed and the Rapture hasn't occured.
Maybe I am a little dense, but I thought the whole point of watching was to stay awake? When I was waiting for the Rapture on Pentecost and then TU be AV of 1998 (and more recently the full moon of the Tenth month), you wouldn't have found me in bed. I stayed awake all night, because I foolishly feel that Yeshua deserves to have someone awake and watching at the very Moment that he comes. If you are 'climbing' out of your bed, then obviously you arn't awake.
Perhaps that person should be asking, "How do I deal with the depression when I climb out of bed and found out that the Rapture has occured, and I and my family have to go through the Tribulation because we were asleep instead of watching, like we had been warned.
The Date Setter
Incoming Email You still got the best site on the web. In connection with Roger - If the matter were not that serious as to win a soul for the Lord, it would actually be a laughing matter. He is getting cross at you cause he knows he's got no proof. I actually thinks he don't even read your answers. It must be hard to accept that your whole life and belief is a lie. All we can do is pray for him and all the others. If they can just understand that the WORD OF GOD is the only truth.
Now onto something else. If you get the time, won't you please put all your 'CAPS' together in the order that they appeared. I would love to see the message when they are all together. Love.
My reply Thanks for the kudos.
Roger hasn't a leg to stand on when he brings up "Mary's reign" or "the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary." He thinks he knows the Bible, but he doesn't.
I have not been keeping a record of caps lately. I haven't noticed them meaning anything different when strung together. Maybe they are just for emphasis.
Incoming Email Last year, I was keeping up with your web page, when you thought that the rapture was going to take place. At the time, I was very caught up and interested in "date setters", actually putting faith in what you had to say. But, as we all found out, there is no credability to anyone who thinks they know when the Lord is returning. I'm anxious to hear what your opinion is on the matter. Now you are saying there are two raptures?
My reply I think I missed the Rapture by one year. I didn't take into consideration that Queen Esther was purified 12 months before she was taken to the king. Also, since an engagement was about 12 months to prove that the bride was a virgin, this year may be the decisive year to separate the wise virgins from the foolish virgins. See other details on http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/pentecost1999.html.
I have said that I think there are two Raptures so long that I have forgotten when I found it out. It was in the first of my three books, and that book took 23 years to write. It was copyrighted in 1987. The Pre-Trib Rapture is the first trump of God (Nu. 10:2-4; I Thess. 4:13-18; Rev. 4:1). The Pre-Wrath Rapture is the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:52). The first is as the days of Noah, the last as the days of Lot. Fire fell that same day.
It is very simple to see. The first group "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. The second group, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues stood before the throne" and are said to have come "out of great tribulation" in Rev. 7:9,14). Between them is Rev. 6. It starts with the beginning of the Tribulation, and ends when the "great day of his wrath is come." That is the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation.
Rapture II takes place after the breaking of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 on the last day of this age and before the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8 on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. As the seventh seal breaks, the seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth. Fire falls that day. Two large pieces of an asteroid impact Earth. The first falls in the Mediterranean Sea (Rev. 8:8; Zeph. 2:4,5). The second is the "aster" (Rev. 8:10) or "stone like a great millstone" (Rev. 18:21) that destroys Babylon.
Incoming Email Soon? ? ?
After piecing together your immediate position, I have a question.
How do you hold fast? I have read your response that you know Him who you serve and your faith is unshakable. I appreciate that perspective, but in this present sifting is there not a fatigue that sets in that just wears you down?
I must admitted that I am tired and would like your insight as to how to overcoming the "slings and arrows" of this constant end-time sifting.
At times it seems endless. Sorry to burden you with a less than cheerful email.
Thanks for your time/response to my last post and God bless (and may He come real soon).
My reply > is there not a fatigue that sets in that just wears you down?
Not really. I am determined to do the Lord's work to the best of my ability. When I found Isa. 6:8's "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" I echoed Isaiah when he said, "Here am I; send me." The Lord took me up on it and I must do my part.
I know that the Lord wants me to study and write, and I set about doing it with all the time and energy I can find. I'm sure the Lord helps me accomplish what he wants me to do. Usually, if I get to the point that I can't think, feel reluctant to continue answering email, or doze off momentarily, I look at the clock. Sure enough, it is either mealtime or after midnight.
When we had our drapery business, we would both work until around 11:00 PM. When we would find ourselves looking at our work instead of doing it, we headed for home. We have been very hard workers, taking few breaks. Ed has slowed down a lot now, but his heart does not pump hard. That has taken the steam out of him. We are hoping Cardiac Rehab will help him get some strength back.
As for slings and arrows, I have been hit with so much that I just keep plodding on. If I can't take a big step, I take a little one and keep going. Sometimes, I feel like I am walking through molasses, but I keep going. I don't let myself think very long about distressing things. I make whatever decision has to be made, do whatever has to be done, turn it all over to the Lord, then start reading so I will not think about it. That is my way of avoiding worry. I think of myself as an overcomer.
When someone sends me hateful email, I know that words cannot hurt me. I think of myself as a duck and their words as water running off my back. It doesn't get to me. I haven't always been this way, though. I cried two days when retired Dr. Charles Feinberg was curt to me and would not read my book because I had no formal training. I admired the man so much, enjoyed his books, lectures and intelligence. It hurt. I have come a long way since that day. Tribulation worketh patience, and I have seen it do its work in my life. Agape
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