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A very interesting one, I think
David Hill wrote:
I was looking for further evidence that the Jubilee Cycle started in 1950, and someone just gave me the anwer on the Doves.
In 1950, Israel passed the Law of Return, specifically Aliyah. This is the rights (and responcibility) of every Jew to Return (Come Up To) Israel. This is the first bit of evidence.
Also, in 1950, the Nation of Israel made a concerted effort to bring the Jews of Yemen up to Israel. They called it Operation Magic Carpet. This was a literal fulfillment and application of the Law of Return.
However, I believed that there would be a third major event that occured in 1950, that would clinch this as the Start of the Jubilee Cycle.
Valerie just informed us that the Knesset voted in Jan of 1950, to make Jerusalem their capitol.
I believe that these three major events are to establish 1950 as the start of the Jubilee cycle. Hence in the fall of their 49th year, which would have been this last fall, the Jubilee Trumpet would be blown to proclaim the Year of Jubilee. That is why the Rapture wasn't on Pentecost of 1998, because the Year of Jubilee hadn't fully arrived. It wouldn't surprise me if there is more evidence for this somewhere else in the History books.
I believe that we are currently in the Year of Jubilee.
My reply > the Knesset voted in Jan of 1950, to make Jerusalem their capitol
Jerusalem could be a sign. I think it was a sign in 1967. Psa 122.3,4, in the New Jerusalem Bible, says, "Jerusalem, built as a city, in ONE UNITED WHOLE, there the tribes go up, the tribes of Yahweh, A SIGN for Israel to give thanks to the name of Yahweh." In 1967, the taking of the rest of Jerusalem fulfilled Lu. 21:24: "and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
If Jerusalem was a sign in 1967, it is possible that it was a sign in 1950, but I don't know of a scripture that would definitely tie it in. Anyway, I modified the chart someone sent me, just to keep my head straight in figuring the 49th and 50th year. I did the whole chart to check it out, but have erased some to save space.
Jan 1950 to Jan 1951 1 years
Jan 1951 to Jan 1952 2 years
Jan 1952 to Jan 1953 3 years
Jan 1953 to Jan 1954 4 years
Jan 1954 to Jan 1955 5 years
Jan 1955 to Jan 1956 6 years
Jan 1956 to Jan 1957 7 years
Jan 1957 to Jan 1958 8 years
Jan 1958 to Jan 1959 9 years
Jan 1959 to Jan 1960 10 years
Jan 1969 to Jan 1970 20 years
Jan 1979 to Jan 1980 30 years
Jan 1989 to Jan 1990 40 years
Jan 1998 to Jan 1999 49 years
Jan 1999 to Jan 2000 50 years
According to the chart, if the Jubilee was to be counted from Jan. 1950, the fall of 1998 would be the Day of Atonement when the Jubilee would have been announced, as you said. Thus, the Jubilee would begin this next Nisan 1 (Mar. 18, 1999), the first day of the Sacred Year.
> I believe that these three major events are to establish 1950 as the start of the
> Jubilee cycle. Hence in the fall of their 49th year, which would have been this
> last fall, the Jubilee Trumpet would be blown to proclaim the Year of Jubilee.
Now, I want to show you something that kinda blows my mind. Here is a copy of my sheet where I figured the true Jubilee Year from the Exodus (2513 AH = 1530 BC = Jewish year 2231). The Jubilee cycle is a 49 year cycle. The 50th year was also the first year of the next cycle. On the left below, I added 49 years to each Jewish year. On the right, I will quote you what I had to say about "The Jubilee" in my first book, "Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed."
Jew.2231 Exodus.........."The Jubilee (or Jubile) is a release from labor.
1. 2280 Jubilee.....Any of their land that has been sold will revert to the
2. 2329.............Israelites, and they themselves are all to be free men.
3. 2378.............Fifty means restoration, and in a Jubilee year, Israel
4. 2427.............will be restored, "when the times of refreshing shall
5. 2476.............come" (Acts 3:19).
6. 2525.................At Sinai, the Lord gave Moses these instructions:
7. 2574............."number seven sabbaths of years...seven times seven...
8. 2623.............forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet
9. 2672.............of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh
10. 2721.............month, in the day of atonement...make the trumpet sound
11. 2770.............throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the
12. 2819.............fiftieth year [which starts Nisan 1], and proclaim
13. 2868.............liberty throughout all the land...ye shall return every
14. 2917.............man unto his possession" (Lev. 25:8-10).
15. 2966.................Many mistakes have been made in figuring the Jubilee.
16. 3015.............Some thought crops had to grow in the land for 49 years
17. 3064.............before keeping Jubilee because they were to keep it after
18. 3113.............they entered the land of Canaan. That doesn't seem
20. 3211.................The Jubilee cycle is 49 years: the 50th year is the
21. 3260.............first of the next cycle. The cycles began Nisan 1, 2231
22. 3309.............(B.C. 1530), the year of the Exodus. Nisan, 5759 (our
23. 3358.............1999), the 6001st year since Adam left Eden, begins the
24. 3407.............73rd cycle. Adding nine extra years because this age is
25. 3456.............extended brings us to Nisan, 5768. The Jubilee year
26. 3505.............should be announced Tishri 10, 5768 (September 22, 2007)
27. 3554.............and begin Nisan 1, 5768 (April 6, 2008), the day Christ
28. 3603.............returns. Knowing the Jubilee would begin Nisan 1 should
29. 3652.............have told us a long time ago that Christ would return on
30. 3701.............Nisan 1.
31. 3750.................If Israel, the fig tree nation, would produce ripe
32. 3799.............fruit by the Rapture in 1998, the Jubilee probably would
33. 3848.............be in 1999. The Lord "saw your fathers as the firstripe
34. 3897.............in the fig tree at her first time [members of Rapture I
35. 3946.............in the spring when figs begin to ripen]: but they went
36. 3995.............to Baalpeor [where they bowed down to idols as they will
37. 4044.............during the Tribulation], and separated themselves unto
38. 4093.............that shame" (Hosea 9:10)."
42. 4289.............Only now, because of your email, do I see the connection
43. 4338.............with the Rapture and 1999. I should read my own stuff, Huh?
46. 4485.............All the signs seemed to point to 1998, so I didn't make
47. 4534.............the connection between the Rapture, Jubilee and 1999.
48. 4583.............However, it is there.
50. 4681.............Avi Ben Mordechai thinks the Rapture will take place on
51. 4730.............the Feast of Trumpets in the 6001st year. I think
52. 4779.............that Pentecost has a better chance, but he just may be
53. 4828.............right about the 6001st year. I have never understood
54. 4877.............why he picked the 6001st year, but he did. On page 276
55. 4926.............in "Signs in the Heavens," he also said, "Usually after
56. 4975.............a one-year preparation period the bride was taken to
57. 5024.............the groom's wedding chamber for seven days." The
58. 5073............."one-year preparation period" seems to be what we are
59. 5122.............living through right now.
61. 5220.............Here is what he said on page 277, "Legally, we are
62. 5269.............married, but the groom has not returned for His bride
63. 5318.............and we watch and wait for the marriage to be
64. 5367.............consummated. When will that happen? I do not claim to
65. 5416.............know the Gregorian year, but I am confident it will
66. 5465.............happen on the first day of the seventh month according
67. 5514.............to the Jewish calendar, in the Jewish year 6001...which
68. 5563.............according to my calculations could fall as early as
69. 5612.............September of 1999."
72. 5759 = 1998/1999. Jubilee announced
Jubilee Year starts the following Nisan 1, Mar. 18, 1999
If the Rapture takes place next Pentecost, it seems that it will be in the regular Jubilee year figured from the Exodus. That sound just like something the Lord would do.
I think the Rapture will be on Pentecost 1999, and the actual Marriage of the Lamb will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). However, Avi did a good job as far as I am concerned, and so did you. Many thanks.
We seem to be nearing the "times of refreshing" and "the times of restitution of all things," Acts 3:19 says, "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing (anapsuxis, prop. a recovery of breath, revival, i.e., the Rapture including resurrection) shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution (apokatastaseos, restoration) of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."
It seems that the resurrection of the dead in Christ will kick off the times of the restoration of all things. "Repent ye therefore" ties in well with the messages to the churches when the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10).
Incoming Email Do you know where I can get information, apart from scripture, that confirms that Jewish betrothals are a year long? Please post this information on your website. Thank you and God bless
My reply On page 276 in "Signs in the Heavens," Avi Ben Mordechai said, "Usually after a one-year preparation period the bride was taken to the groom's wedding chamber for seven days." The ONE-YEAR PREPARATION PERIOD seems to be what we are living through right now. Maybe this one year preparation is why Avi picked the 6001st year for the Rapture instead of the 6000th.
Incoming Email Hi! (From Finland)
A thought came to me. Should the world gov. / beast ( or UN) be in charge early next year, and if the Y2k problem is serious, there would be one "easy" solution to the problem; they might change the time. I am sure evil forced dislike the idea that time is counted from the birth of Jesus. It would be quite simple to "declare" that now it year zero or something less than thousand. So even old computers(or programs) would be usable. Is there not a verse in Bible which says they will even attempt to change times.
My reply Yes. Dan. 7:25-27 says, "And he (the little horn, the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (he 'denieth the Father and the Son,' I John 2:22), and shall wear out the saints of the most High (Rev. 12:17), and think to change TIMES and LAWS; and they shall be given into his hand until a time, and times and the dividing of time (the end of the last 3 1/2 years, the end of the full 2520 days of the Tribulation). But the judgment shall sit (the Judgment of the Nations), and they shall TAKE AWAY HIS DOMINION, to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon, which breaks out after dominion is also taken from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations). And the kingdom (Christ's) and dominion (Dan. 7:14), and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him (Christ)."
The day the seven trumpet judgments are cast on Earth is, I think, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), the end of the shortened Tribulation, but the full seven years still have an application, as seen in Rev. 12:6,14. Because 5768 is a Jewish leap year, there are seven months (Ezek. 39:12) between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1 (Apr. 6, 2008), the Second Advent.
"In the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY...And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house ('make expiation for the temple,' NEB). In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month (the Sabbath), ye shall have the passover" (Ezek. 45:18-21).
Nisan 15 is the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Sunday, Apr. 20, 2008), the 1260th day of the Great Tribulation, and the 2520th day of the seven-year Tribulation. Since the instructions were to do no servile work on Nisan 15, the Judgment of the Nations is probably the next day, Monday, Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits. The Lord will divide his sheep from the goats and take dominion away from Satan. When dominion is taken from Satan, Armageddon begins. It is Satan's last ditch stand and lasts 40 days and nights, ending on 25 Iyar (Friday, May 30). The 30th seems to be Satan's Fry Day. Thus true millennial peace would begin on 26 Iyar (May 31, 2008).
Note: Nisan 1, 5768, Apr. 6, 2008, will be on the anniversary of the Crucifixion on our calendar. Iyar 26, 5768, May 31, 2008) will be on the anniversary of Pentecost in 30 AD on our calendar.
It looks like Christ will take dominion on the anniversary of his resurrection on Nisan 16 in 30 AD. It is the Feast of Firstfruits. It would be fitting to turn this world over to him "whose right it is" on the anniversary of the day he proved he had that right.
Ezek. 21:25-27 says, "And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel (the False Prophet), whose day is come (Feast of Trumpets, first day of the Millennium, Sept. 13, 2007), Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low (Christ), and abase him that is high (Satan, god of this world). I will overturn, overturn, overturn it (the rule of the False Prophet): and it shall be no more, until he (Christ) come (7 months later, Ezek. 39:12, on Nisan 1, Ezek. 29:17,21) whose right it is; and I will give it him."
After the False Prophet is deposed, Satan takes over himself for the 7 months. Rev. 17:11 says, "And the beast that was (in the False Prophet), and is not (is not now in the False Prophet), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." The day that he goes into perdition seems to be last day of Armageddon, Iyar 25, 5768 (May 30, 2008).
In Rev. 19:11-16, Christ returns (Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal Year) riding on a white horse, the symbol of the Prince of Peace. "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, CLOTHED IN FINE LINEN, WHITE AND CLEAN. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God, And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
After that is the battle of Armageddon. Rev. 19:17-20:3 says, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse...AND I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit."
The Gregorian date on Earth may be changed temporarily, but God's calendar is already set and cannot be changed.
Incoming Email Re P&C 235 concerning "the first coming of Christ was hidden in scripture". The wise men knew. John the Baptist refered to Him from the O.T. Peter figured it out. And Christ Himself admonished the religious leaders of the time for being able to read the signs in the sky concerning the weather but unable to see the signs (word of the prophets) that pointed to Him as Christ.
Remember the "stone of stumbling" (Christ) Isaiah says was placed in front of the Jews. God "closed their eyes" so they would be unable to comprehend the words staring them in the face about Christ. It was "hidden" only from the Jews. Agape
My reply Anna and Simeon knew too (Lu. 2:36).
> "hidden" only from the Jews.
Rom. 11:25 says, "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Then all Israel will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8).
Incoming Email Subject: time of the end?
I have a different thought on when the rapture will occur and nothing would give me more pleasure than to have someone with persuasive powers backed by solid scripture prove me wrong, I mean that sincerely, but here is how I see the timing of the rapture: dating from Adam until the time of Christ cannot be definitive because I cannot believe we have a completely reliable record of every day that has passed since Adam. History records glaring omissions of large tracts of time. The 256-odd years that the Jews left off is but one example. My point being: taking the various ages of the history of man into account, it seems to me the only starting date we know with any degree of certainty is the day the Church was born, that date being Pentecost, 30-33 AD, the ambiguity of course owing to the uncertainty of the date of our Savior's death and resurrection. And if we assume that the Church's birth occurred in this timeframe and this 2000-year stretch is truly that 2-days spoken of by Hosea ("After two days He will revive us. On the third day He will raise us up that we may live in His sight") it seems to me that we are making a mistake starting to count the last 2000 years (before the Millennium begins) at the birth of Christ. Christ's earthly life seems to belong at the tail-end of the previous 2000-years age that started with Abraham. Put another way I think it's logical to assume that a block of time was lost or omitted somewhere BC and this created a vacuum causing Christ's 33 earthly years to get drawn backward into the previous age. So we would have Adam to Abraham, 2000 years; Abraham to Christ's death, 2000 years; and Pentecost to Millenium, the final 2000 years.
If all this is true then the Church Age would not come to an end until 2030-2033, a perfect span of 2000 years. Now I know this is hard to stomach by a lot of Christians, myself included, that the rapture might be some 30 years off in the future. Many prophecy experts try to counter this by using a 360-day biblical year to shorten the time, thus drawing it closer to our own present day. But I don't think this will wash. Even the Jews realized the overriding importance of inserting that extra month every six years to correct for the missing 5 days that occurred every year. So I think that when the bible says 2000 years, it means two thousand 365-day years and that puts before us the distasteful probability that the Second Coming will not be happening for 30 years or so, this assuming the 6000-years theory is even valid.
I know things look very bleak in the world and we wonder how it could hang together for another 30 years but remember: most of our perception of how bad things are comes from a commercial news media that loves to paint doom-and- gloom because it sells, It really does. If you believe on that one point alone you will begin to see world events in a different light. Another thing to consider: we have been on the verge of annihilation since Russia and China got the atomic bomb in 1949 and it was only the loving Hand of a gracious God that has held back Armageddon since. Surely He could do the same for the next 30 years in spite of how bad things look geopolitically. And I still maintain that things are not as bad as they look. That's why the economy marches ahead and countries saber-rattle but things stay intact even with Y2K looming. And personally I believe we will ride Y2K out.
My reply Personally, I don't think we will be here for the Y2K crisis.
> I cannot believe we have a completely reliable record of
> every day that has passed since Adam.
Being as the Bible is God-breathed, we have "a completely reliable record."
> History records glaring omissions of large tracts of time. The 256-odd
> years that the Jews left off is but one example.
What you think are omissions are covered by the Bible's mention of blocks of years, or some other information that makes it possible to figure it out. See my Chronology at: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/chron.html.
The Jewish calendar has nothing to do with AH years, which start with the creation of Adam. He was created in BC 4043/43, which was 283 BJE (Before Jewish Era). The Jewish year 5758 (1997/8) was the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of Eden. He was cast out of the Garden of Eden in BC 4004/3 (BJE 243) (5758 - 6000 + 1 because no zero year between BJE 1 and 1 BCE [first year of Jewish calendar in BC 3761] = BJE 243). We are now in the 6001st year since Adam left the garden and mankind began to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil.
> the only starting date we know with any degree of certainty is the day the Church was
> born, that date being Pentecost, 30-33 AD, the ambiguity of course owing to the
> uncertainty of the date of our Savior's death and resurrection
I think it is clear that Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Nisan 13, in 30 AD and resurrected on Sunday, Nisan 16. Pentecost was Sunday, Sivan 6, our May 31, 30 AD.
> "After two days He will revive us. On the third day He will raise us up that we may
> live in His sight") it seems to me that we are making a mistake starting to count
> the last 2000 years (before the Millennium begins) at the birth of Christ.
Hosea was referring to Israel. At the end of chapter 5, Jesus says, "I will go and return to my place (Heaven), till they (Israel) acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early."
Then as chapter 6 begins, Israel is talking: "COME, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days (two 1000-year days) will he revive us: in the third day he will he raise us up (fulfilled in 1948), and we shall live in his sight. Then (after 1948) shall we know, IF we follow on (to The Sign of the End of the Age in 1967) to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he (Christ) shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (Nisan 1, Second Advent) and former rain (Tishri 1, First Advent) unto the earth."
Joel 2:23 says, "the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month." In the Bible, when a day number is not mentioned, we are to assume the first day of the month. This is because the same word means month and new moon, which is the first day of the month. Tishri 1 is the first day of the civil year. Nisan is the first day of the Regnal and Sacred year, Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords.
> If all this is true then the Church Age would not come to an end until
> 2030-2033, a perfect span of 2000 years. Now I know this is hard to stomach
It sure is, being that it is not true.
> whenthe bible says 2000 years, it means two thousand 365-day years
I agree with that. Isa. 44:28 says of "Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid." This was fulfilled in BC 454 (Anstey, The Romance of Bible Chronology).
Daniel 9:25,26 says, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks (49 years), and threescore and two weeks (434 years): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut of (killed)." 49 + 434 = 483 years. 483 - BC 454 + 1 (because there is no zero year between BC 1 and 1 AD) = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion. The Lord is precise in his calculations.
God set the sun and moon in the sky for days and years (Gen. 1:14). He meant literal days and years. The 42 months, 1260 days, 2300 days, etc. are literal. In the right span of time, a literal count of specified days on the Jewish calendar serves to drop the plan of end-time events into its proper place on both calendars.
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