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Re: Song of Solomon 8:8
In P/C 252 someone asked: ... "Do you know what Song of Solomon 8:8 means? Who is the little sister with no Breasts?"

Song of Solomon 8:8-10 states, "We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? If she be a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she be a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar. I am a wall, and my breasts like towers."

When I first read these verses in P/C 252 I was amazed at what it looked like these verses were saying. They look rich in content regarding this time NOW, preparing for the Bride of Christ to be taken from the Body of Christ. Pentecost 1998 to Pentecost 1999.

Have you thought that "little sister" means a young, not that long ago, born-again Christian who is still part of the Family of God. A "little sister". She has "no breast" because she is still "immature" in the Lord. Before she became a Christian, her character was either chaste, a virgin, or promiscuous, a harlot. If she had been chaste, she had been a wall, standing against the evils of this world. In this year following when she was spoken for, (Pentecost 1998?) the older more mature Christians, (walls against the world with towering mature "breasts"), need to spend it clothing her with the riches of heaven, the breastplate of righteousness, and so on. However, if she had been promiscuous, a door, letting everyone who wanted to come inside and lay with her, we need to spend this time protecting her from the outside evil world by boarding up her door with cedar to prevent it from being opened again.

Taking this year as a year of preparation, then we need to be about the Lord's business and use discernment to build up and adorn with silver those who need building up and protect and cover with cedar those who need protecting as we await the blessed day of the Lord. God Bless!

My reply

I had never thought of it this way. You may be right. Thanks. I'll take another look.

In the LXX, The Song 8:8-10 says, "Our sister is little, and has no breasts' what shall we do for our sister, in the day wherein she shall be spoken for: If she is a WALL, let us build upon her silver bulwarks; and if she is a DOOR, let us carve for her cedar panels. I AM A WALL, and my breasts are as towers; I was in their eyes as one that found peace."

I am glad I just happened to pick the LXX to quote. In it, I had made notes as to what the wall and door represent. That completes the picture.

She could be those saved this year, including those that call themselves Christians and those that call themselves Messianic Jews. A wall indicates the church, built on Christ and the apostles. Christ is the corner stone. The apostles and prophets are the foundation. A door, or gate, represents the twelve tribes of Israel in Rev. 21:12.

Rev. 21:12-14 says of New Jerusalem, "had a WALL great and high, and had twelve GATES, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of ISRAEL...And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb" (i.e., the Church).

We have angels of the Church in Rev. 2 and 3, and angels of Israel here. They represent the star performers (Rev. 1:10). The elders of Rev. 4 are the twelve tribes of Israel and the twelve apostles. They are our Representatives in the higher Government.

The wall represents the Church. The gates represent Israel. When the Shulamite says, "I am a wall," she is really saying that she is the Church. Her two breasts represent the two Raptures, the first for the Philadelphian wise virgins, the second for the Laodicean foolish virgins. The little sister does seem to fit those saved this year, during the 12 months of purification before the Bride is taken to the king (Esther 2:12).

> They look rich in content regarding this time NOW, preparing for the Bride of > Christ to be taken from the Body of Christ. Pentecost 1998 to Pentecost 1999.

Thanks a bunch. I had not seen that she represented those saved during this year, but it makes good sense.

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Note: Information about a comet headed for earth has been deleted. Jim Bramlett checked. This is what he said. "I checked that out the other day. It's a sham. In an e-mail to me, the "Chilean astronomer" denied any knowledge. He said to me: "It is not true. I am only interested in CCD astrophotography. The people that place a link to my page is lying. Maybe is a joke from a friend of mine." Incidentally,....regarding your illumination on TWO RAPTURES, if you from the www.escape666.com site, select "escape666" from its right, upper center side, then -from this new page, from the LEFT side, click on the blue box ABOVE "SYNOPSIS"..... -next, click on the "enter" in the center of the screen.... read and follow the rest......it parallels your discovery, and gives a different delivery also....perhaps you can determine if something is missing, or added??/(is it in error?) Thanks!///

I appreciate your help, and am busy "targeting" my unsaved friends, and drawing myself and wife and children closer to Him now.....we wish to counted worthy....wise virgins.....it is His command! Your friend

PS....I've really really been trying to establish which planet Heaven IS!...and with the help of your "butter and honey" linke, along with the elimination of those planets making up the Cherubim, it now reduced itself to Saturn and Jupiter.....of the two, when I looked at Jupiter's photos....on a government webpage...the colors so beautifully matched the description, I was amazed!....Jupiter is beautifull!....And it's satelite, (one of four) named "Io"...looks an awfull lot like a place referred to "the lake of fire"...(Io is one of the most volcanically active bodies, in our solar system)!...

Will you confirm my heaven/planet/study?

My reply

Thanks for the link. I'll take a look.

Note: It is Two Raptures, by Harry Walther. I am glad he can see that there are two, but I do differ with him on this. He has the second Rapture Mid-Trib. I did that c1969/70, but am now convinced it is just before the Wrath of God is cast on Earth. It is between the sixth and seventh seals, which are broken close together. The rocks are already starting to fall as the sixth breaks. The Tribulation saints get out the same day the fire falls, as in the days of Lot.

As for Heaven. No, it isn't Jupiter. According to clues in Scripture, it has golden clouds, seven rings and is the third heaven.

Job 37:18-22, in the LXX, says, "Wilt thou establish with him foundations for the ancient heavens?...But the light is not visible to all (then it is visible to some); it shines afar off in the heavens, as that which is from him in the clouds. From the north (upward) come the CLOUDS SHINING LIKE GOLD: in these great are the glory and honour of the Almighty (Christ, Rev. 1:8).

Also in the LXX, Zech 3:9 says of "the Branch, which is Christ" For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). Rev. 4:3 says, "there was a rainbow round about the throne." Ezek. 1:28 says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about."

II Cor. 12:2 says, "...such an one caught up to the third heaven."

In Ezek. 1:26, the throne has "the appearance of a sapphire stone." This is a symbol that tells us exactly where Heaven is located. Sapphire means "dear to the planet Saturn," from the Sanskrit "Sani," Saturn, and "priya," dear.

Mt. Sinai represented Heaven, and Sinai may be derived from Sani. There God had "under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness" (Ex. 24:10).

Christ is Lord of the Sabbath (Shabbat). He seems to also be Lord of Saturn (Heb., Shabbtai). The Shabbat is the seventh day. The Shabbtai is the seventh planet. Seven is God's number of perfection. Agape

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Just a thought came into my mind, you were giving an answer in you Pro & Cons 255 " Thus the Jubilee would begin the next Nisan (Mar.18,1999) the FIRST DAY OF THE SACRED YEAR" If this is the FIRST DAY OF THE SACRED YEAR AND WE ARE TO BE RAISED ON THE THIRD DAY.....MARCH 21,1999 JUST MIGHT BE THE RAPTURE..... ANOTHER THOUGHT CAME TO ME A COUPLE DAYS AGO ABOUT THE MAY 21,1999 Friday, possible RAPTURE DAY, OR MAYBE THE COUNTDOWN TO THE "RAISED ON THE THIRD DAY" WHICH WOULD BE SUNDAY MAY 23,1999 PENTECOST THE PERFECT DATE FOR THE RAPTURE; OR ALL THREE DAYS MAY 21, MAY 22, AND MAY 23,1999 COULD ALL BE THE DATES DUE DIFFERENCE IN TIME ZONES, THEREFORE, IT WOULD STILL HOLD TRUE, KNOW ONE WOULD KNOW THE EXACT DAY OR HOUR, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY KNOW THAT IT IS NEAR EVEN AT THE DOOR. I AM NOT TRYING TO SET A DATE, I just had these thoughts cross my mind and wanted to share with you Marliyn, however, in prayer last night the Lord laid the number 21 in a vision to me, whether it is personal or to deal with the rapture, I do not know for sure at the moment. No month, no year, just the #21. WHATEVER THE DATE IS WHETHER ONE'S MENTIONED ABOVE OR A DIFFERENT DATE ALTOGETHER, COME LORD JESUS, COME SOON!

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Good thinking. I think I finally got the date of Pentecost nailed down today. Just uploaded P & C 256. What a day it has been. Saw the most wonderful rainbow. You'll read about it on 256. Your #21 is interesting, especially since for me it could be the day before. I think it would be Jerusalem time and I am in California.

The Rapture is as the days of Noah. So is the rainbow. To see one such as I never saw before, or even thought possible, on the same day I finally got the date of Pentecost straight in my head is awesome. God is good.

Gen. 9:12-16 says, "God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh...And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth."

Oh my, what a day this has been, a happy day. I have this picture in my head of the traffic ahead of me shimmering in the colors and bright sparkle of the huge end of the rainbow. I don't want to ever forget it. It was a Kodak moment I am sorry I missed getting a picture of. It was so spectacular, I'm glad Ed saw it with me, or he might not believe what I told him and think I was exaggerating. I don't see how either of us could ever forget it. It was wonderful. Agape

Note: a picture of the end that we were at was on the front page of the morning paper. It said, "Nature shows off."

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PC 255 was VERY INTERESTING!

I have LAUGHED and CRIED with/over some of your "struggling to be NICE."
I AGREE with others: "your AGAPE is SHOWING!"

Keep it up - it give ALL OF US a GREAT EXAMPLE and HOPE for the future! Best Regards

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FWD: internet@will.state.wy.us wrote: Jim Harman (20 Jan) "Jewish Calendar"
Dear John: Dennis had a question regarding the current Jewish calendar being off.

Back in 1996 we wrote a short article on the subject. To summarize and up-date that article:

According to Chuck Missler's Jewish Calendar in 1996:

"Two main errors appear to have occurred from the Hebrew sages of the past. From a misunderstanding of Daniel 9, their erroneous assumption that there were 490 years between the destruction of the First and Second Temples, rather than 656, introduced a 166 year error. A copyist error in the Septuagint text of the genealogies of Genesis 5... introduced another 73 years, for a total of 239 years....."

The reconcilliation to the 6,000 years from Creation then becomes:

Creation to Abraham 1,948 years
Abraham to Israel 3,759 years
Israel to Present 50.5 years
(5/15/48 to present)
Jewish Reckoning 5,757.5
Error in Jewish Calendar 239 years
5,996.5
Time Remaining to 6,000 3.5 years
6,000 years

My reply

I don't agree. I think that even the first number of years is off by 60 years. This is the way I figure it:

Day God rested, Tishri 1, 282 BJE (Before Jewish Era), BC 4043
Birth of Abraham, AH 2008, BC 2035 (2008 years)
(Up to this point, there is perfect agreement on 2008 years by Anstey, Panin and Ussher)

Here is my lineup at the beginning of JE (Jewish Era):
AH 282 = BC 3761 = BJE 1
No zero year
AH 283 = BC 3760 = JE 1

Here is my lineup at the beginning of AD years:
AH 4042 = BC 1 = JE 3760
No zero year
AH 4043 = AD 1 = JE 3761

Adding 1997 years to each gives us this lineup:
AH 6040 = AD 1998 = JE 5758

Adam was in the Garden of Eden 40 years, then he was expelled after his time of testing and probation. Man's 6000-year test began when all men were mortal and knew both good and evil. I think our 1998 AD was the 6000th year of man's test and we are now in the 6001st year.

It seems that the main reason the Rapture was not in 1998 is that there are 12 months of purification, as Queen Esther had before she was taken to the king. An engagement was usually 12 months to prove that the bride was a virgin.

Now let's look into the Jubilee year. The Exodus was in AH 2513, BC 1530, BJ 2231

The Jubilee cycle is a 49-year cycle, set up and counted from the month of the Exodus. The 50th year is also the first year of the next cycle. I think J 5759 is the 72nd Jubilee. It would have been announced Tishri 10, 5759, Sept. 30, 1998 and begin on the following Nisan 1, 5759, March 18, 1999.

Jubilee year starts AH 6041, Mar. 18, 1999 AD, Nisan 1, 5759. It would be a great year for the Rapture, because it is a time of refreshing and restoration, a time when they forgave debts and returned land to its owner. It is "the year of liberty" in Ezek. 46:17.

Sev. 25:10 says, "and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family."

Acts 3:19 seems to tie in. It says, "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the TIMES OF REFRESHING shall come from the PRESENCE OF THE LORD; AND HE SHALL SEND JESUS CHRIST, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the TIMES OF RESTITUTION of all things."

> Abraham to Israel 3,759 years

Abraham born AH 2008, BC 2035
BC 2035 + AD 1948 + 1 = 3982 years
Double check: AH 6040 (1998) - 50 = AH 5990 (1948)
AH 5990 - AH 2008 = 3982

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I was encouraged by last night's Pro/Con as I, too, have felt that according to our abilities, we  should store for Y2K...not because I believe we will need it, but because I have been impressed to do so for the sake of those needing the supplies. Even if I could store perfectly food enough for 1,000 people, it would not be adequate should a real disaster hit. But for the one that the Lord knows will need these supplies, it may make a tremendous difference...and if that is multiplied by many thousands of Christians, it may make a huge difference for a great many people.  While others can do little or nothing to store food, the Lord seems to me to be asking that those who are able do what they can...each according to what he or she determines in their own heart...

Also encouraging is the fact that for the first time our Pastor has stated from the pulpit that it is "likely" that the Lord will return in 1999. What makes this so unusual is that this is a very conservative man in a very godly but conservative church who has said only one other comment in ten years about the Lord's return. His own father had open heart surgery recently and felt that the Lord promised him in the ICU that he would be alive at the Lord's return (this man is in his eighties)...this is also a church with a full fledged 6 million dollar building program...but something has altered the  course of thinking here for such a momentous statement to be said...perhaps the Y2K issue.

  Time to lift up our heads, our Bridegroom approaches!!

Take Care, I continue to pray for you, Ed and Millie.

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...I'm glad to see pastors with the guts to risk being wrong and do their best to get their congregation ready, just in case.

Thanks for everything, including your prayers. Millie is not doing well...

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In P@C 253, a man asks:

"Why aren't these wonderful and frightening events which are soon to happen making headlines"

And you answered, "The 'world' is interested in worldly things." This is absoutely true but there is more to it. In the following verses, Paul tells what happens to the people who are still on planet earth after the Rapture and after the anti-christ is revealed:

(2 Thessalonians 2:7-12) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who now restrains it is removed. {8} And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will destroy with the breath of his mouth, annihilating him by the manifestation of his coming. {9} The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, {10} and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. {11} For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, {12} so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.

I believe this delusion is already at work on this planet, therefore, since the people are deluded now, at this moment, there is no way for them to talk or report about this because they cannot see the truth due to their delusion. A perfect Catch 22. Only God has the power to open their eyes and to allow them to see the truth through the delusion. People's interest in worldly things is, in my opinion, the pillar supporting the delusion.

Hope you and Ed are doing well, Agape

My reply

You are so right. Thanks.

Note: Mt. 24:37-39 says, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." The unbelievers "knew not."

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Re: A Jewish Wedding...
alway's has a year of engagement, it proves that she is a true virgin, if she has no kin and nothing can be traced to prove she has lost her virginity, the year will tell. Woman can not hold a baby in their womb for more than 11 months. This has alway's been true, but within that year period if there is no sign of pregancy and the groom may ask for the Father's permission to take her away early sort of like a suprise. This is supstationated in the Torah and at Messianic Congregations. I would suggest you do research on were marriage came from...the Hebrews founded it; you will learn more about how God is working as of now. Love

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Thanks for the information on the year of engagement. If you have a reference on it, I would appreciate having the reference to post for everyone.

I have read everything I can find on the Jewish marriage, even put it on my web page that I was interested in more information on it. Several sent things. If you have more, I'd appreciate receiving a copy.

How do you mean the Hebrews founded marriage? I thought God did. Do you mean the ceremony as it is now? Noah, his sons and others had wives before Abraham.

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Re: A Jewish Wedding... read this book... it is in the latter chapters "To Heaven and Back" by Rita Bennett a TBN book forewarded by Jack HayFord, there you will learn more about this....

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Regarding the seriousness of Y2K problems, Weekend News Today, By IsiahMan
Source: Weekend Discussion Groups

Sat Jan 23 , 1999 -- Last week Salt Lake City rolled their clocks ahead on their water filtration plant to see what would happen when the date changed. They were confident that there would be no problem. When the date changed, the water filtration system (which uses an absolute number for year designation) read the following code: year = ABS(CurrentYear - PreviousYear)

Normally, it would either get a zero (1999 - 1999 = 0) to show that it was within the same year OR it would get a one to show that the year had changed to a new year. It would then deal with the roll over to the new year and readjust itself. It would then go on to figure the month. All of this is done to determine a number of things, including how much chemical should be dumped into the water (Chlorine, floride, all those "good" poisons).

Because they were using the ABS (absolute number) function, the computer understood that the last time chlorine, floride and other chemicals had been put into the water was ABS(00-99) years ago. 0-99=-99. But the absolute number is 99 years.

Thus, the program figured it was a little behind. It didn't know what to do.

IT FREAKED OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO DUMP 99 YEARS WORTH OF DANGEROUS CHEMICALS INTO THE WATER SYSTEM.

A "minor" Y2K inconvenience. . . . What would 99 years worth of floride do to your body?????

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I was watching a prophecy show with Perry Stone as the guest speaker. He said some amazing things on the show that seem to make a lot of sense. This is speculation on his part but it seems to fit a pattern and would be just like God in his wisdom to have done. I will try to relay this information to you as best as I can.

He starts with the premise that Jerusalem is the center of the world. If you could regroup all of the land masses and reassemble them we would have a fit. I agree with this. Next, he says that Jerusalem is the center of the Garden of Eden. He dedused this from Gen 2: 10-15 which says..And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.The name of the first is Pison: ( by satelite mri imaging this is a dry river bed in Saudi Arabia) that iswhere there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: (The Nile River)

When Adam sinned and was cast out he headed east. This is a barren land now and was cursed by God back then. If you head east toward the Dead Sea you will come to the city of Adam. Adam covered himself with fig leaves to hide his shame. When Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem from the east he cursed a fig tree.

If the Tabernacle is a pattern of Heaven, it seems possible that Jerusalem could be a pattern for the Garden of Eden and the dimensions fit the New Jerusalem also. If true it is pretty awesome!

This sure got my wheels to spinning. How about yours. Have you ever thought of this before? In Christian Love

My reply

Yes, I have run into this before, but I do not buy it.

Jerusalem is considered the center of the world, but the Garden of Eden was near the Euphates River in Iraq. Adam was driven out and man should not go back. They have and will again. The asteroid of Rev. 8:10 will destroy it. The ground in that area is cursed. Gen. 3:17 says, "cursed is the ground." The river Hiddekel is probably the Tigris. Gen. 2:14 says it "goeth toward the east of Assyria."

> it seems possible that Jerusalem could be a pattern for the Garden of
> Eden and the dimensions fit the New Jerusalem also.

There is no possible way that the dimensions of New Jerusalem fit Jerusalem in eretz Israel. New Jerusalem is 1,363.64 miles across (Rev. 21:16). All Israel is not that wide. That would cover the whole eastern part of the USA up to about the Mississippi River. Israel is about the size of Massachusetts. Agape

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