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Incoming Email ...the last three comets to enter our solar system...
Hyakutake - January 29, 1996...
Hale-Bopp - March 23, 1997...
SOHO 98J1 - May 4, 1998...
My reply How about the comets being a series pointing to the year of the Rapture? 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999?
Oh wow! do you suppose those could be the four years indicated by the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9?
Incoming Email Shalom, Marilyn ! I was just going over again the information you shared regarding Noah and why the Rapture could take place in this year 1999. Here is something else interesting which I haven't seen in your explanation and now offer just as a "thought"....The Flood lasted 1 yr. & 10 days. We know that Noah's son, Shem, was 100 when the Flood was over. That means he was 98 (1998?) when the Flood began and therefore was 99 (1999) when the DOOR TO THE ARK WAS OPENED!!! I feel like I "got on board" in 1998...I believe we will see the door opened in 1999 !!! Praise God! Waiting to hug you in Glory! :)
My reply Thanks for sharing this with me. I had not thought about this one. Shem was 100 two years AFTER the Flood (Gen. 11:10), so he was 98 the year of the Flood. So your 99 when the DOOR was OPENED makes sense.
They were in the Ark just about one solar year, which fits fairly well from last Pentecost to Pentecost in 1999. This year also fits the 12 months Queen Esther was purified before being taken to the king (Esth. 2:12). It also fits the customary year of engagement to prove the bride was a virgin.
Here is some food for thought. Not too long ago someone asked if Jesus' ascension day could also be our ascension day? It is rattling around in my head. The things in Song of Solomon 2:12-14 would fit either Ascension Day or Pentecost. The rain of Nisan would be over and gone. There would be turtledoves. They arrive in April. There would probably also be green figs on the fig trees and blossoms on the grape vines. However, we are wheat, and Pentecost is the BEGINNING of wheat harvest. It was also a feast when they were to go UP TO JERUSALEM.
But, WHY did Jesus ascend 10 days BEFORE PENTECOST? There had to be a very good reason. He went to Heaven and returned on Resurrection Day, so it does not seem that he would need 10 days before sending the Holy Spirit to indwell the Church. I think there has to be another reason. He ascended on the 40th day after the resurrection. That could foreshadow the Pre-Wrath Rapture in the 40th year after Israel took Jerusalem and the temple area. But, is that all there is to it?
The Rapture is as the days of Noah. He opened the door of the Ark in the second month of the Civil Calendar (Cheshvan). Could that be a clue that Heaven's door will OPEN in the second month of the Sacred Calendar (Iyar)? Ascension Day is Iyar 26 (Wed., May 12, 1999), unless you count by inclusive reckoning. If the door opened that day, the only reason I can think of is that "the dead in Christ," which "shall rise FIRST" (I Thess. 4:16), might be raised that day, or even begin to be raised that day. There are more dead to be raised than living to be translated.
Forty days after the resurrection, Jesus ascended, and "behold, two men (maybe Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee (circle, revolution of the wheel, i.e., Heaven), why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" (Acts 1:10,11). While "they beheld, he was TAKEN UP; and a CLOUD received him out of their sight" (v. 9). Let's think about this cloud a minute.
Jesus is to come to the Earth like rain (Hos. 6:3). He comes as the former rain at the First Advent and as the latter rain at the Second Advent. These seem to tie in with Job 37:6, which says, "he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the GREAT RAIN OF HIS STRENGTH."
But what of his coming at the Rapture? At that time, he comes in clouds and the clouds are not broken. It does not rain on the Earth. We "shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air" (I Thess. 4:17). Does that tie in with the water being abated when Noah opened the door of the Ark better than when he went in and it rained 40 days and 40 nights? Song of Solomon 2:11 says, "THE RAIN IS OVER AND GONE."
When the Israelites spied out the land, "Moses called Oshea the son of Nun (the Eternal) JEHOSHUA (YHVH is Saviour). He told them "go UP into the mountain (Heaven?)...the time was the TIME OF THE FIRSTRIPE GRAPES" (Nu. 13:16-20) IN THE SECOND YEAR. Does that fit the Rapture on Pentecost in 1999?
Nu. 10:11 says, "it came to pass on the twentieth day of the second month (Iyar 20), in the SECOND YEAR, that the CLOUD WAS TAKEN UP from off the tabernacle of the testimony. And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness of Sinai (i.e., Heaven); and the CLOUD RESTED in the wilderness of Paran (beauty, glory, ornament)."
"And they departed from the mount of the LORD three days journey (Iyar 20-23): and the ark of the covenant of the LORD went before them in the three days' journey, to search out a RESTING PLACE for them" (Nu. 10:33).
"And it came to pass, when the ark set forward, that Moses said, RISE UP, LORD, and let thine enemies be scattered: and let them that hate thee flee before thee. And when it RESTED, he said, RETURN, O LORD, unto the many thousands of Israel" (Nu. 10:35,36).
The time clues given here are getting close to Iyar 26, Ascension Day. Could the other things be clues?
Israel taking a journey from Heaven and the returning to raise the many thousands of Israel make sense. At the Rapture, those "which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him" (I Thess. 4:14). They will get their resurrection bodies at the Rapture. Heb. 11:39,40 says, "And these all (including Noah, v. 7), having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
Will the dead in Christ get their resurrection bodies starting on Ascension Day and then we join them in the clouds ten days later on Pentecost? It is something to consider.
Incoming Email I have not had the chance to thoroughly read your books. Also, I'm somewhat against "date-setting" as they can be let-downs and the Lord has no intentions of letting us down, but some people may confuse "man" setting dates vs. God's dates (being unknown to man). I do myself however, believe that we are at least in interesting times and pay attention to "date-range" indicating events.
With that said, I thought you would find this interesting:
The fall harvest or the harvest at the end of this present age is in the seventh month on the biblical religious calendar. Pentecost is in the third month. From Pentecost, there are four months until the final harvest in the fall (John 4:34-35) (from the book The Seven Festivals of the Messiah by Edward Chumney.
Also, a year or so ago I was re-reading Revelation and noticed the word "censer" in Rev 8:3, the only time this word is mentioned elsewhere is in the Old Testament regarding the Day of Atonement. Could the Day of Atonement (on some year) be the day that this event occurs ? My opinion, is yes, as God has absolute patterns. Could this tie together with the former/later rains (also known as the spring/fall harvest) and sync up ? I think so myself. Shalom!
My reply > Pentecost is in the third month. From Pentecost, there are four months
> until the final harvest in the fall (John 4:34-35)
Thanks. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on Pentecost in the 3rd month, and the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets in the 7th month.
It does seem to tie in with the four months you mentioned. John 4:35 says, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."
It may also be the reason for purifying both on the third day and the seventh day. Nu. 19:11,12 says, "He that toucheth the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days. He shall purify himself with it (water with ashes of the red heifer in it, 'a water of separation: it is a purification for sin,' v. 9) on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean."
> Also, a year or so ago I was re-reading Revelation and noticed the word "censer" in
> Rev 8:3, the only time this word is mentioned elsewhere is in the Old Testament
> regarding the Day of Atonement. Could the Day of Atonement (on some year) be the
> day that this event occurs ?
I think the seven trumpet judgments of Rev. 8 happen on the Feast of Trumpets. The globe shaped censer filled with fire and cast "into the earth" seems to symbolize the asteroid that will impact Earth. Pieces of it strike in Rev. 8:8 and 10.
> Could this tie together with the
> former/later rains (also known as the spring/fall harvest) and sync up ?
The former and latter rains depict the two comings of Christ, on Tishri 1 and later on Nisan 1 (Hos. 6:3).
Incoming Email Dear Marilyn, Can't wait to tell you this. ---'s youngest, 5 year old --- has been a born-again Christian for a couple of years (we start them young). All of her life she has gone to sleep listening to taped Jesus worship songs. She witnesses freely to anyone and everyone; totally open about her love for Jesus. When she's in public she blurts out things like, "Thank you Jesus that it isn't raining", etc.
--- has often asked her what she dreamed and --- always says, "I don't have dreams."
Tonight in the car on the way home --- said, "Mom, I want to tell you about my dream. I dreamed that we were looking for Jesus. We opened one door and he was not there. We opened another door and he wasn't there either. Then we opened the next door and there was a great big light and there was Jesus!"...
My reply Just to remind you of ---'s dream. I wonder if it could apply to Pentecost 1998, Feast of Trumpets, 1998 and Pentecost, 1999?
Incoming Email My name is ---- ---- and though I have been a semi-practicing Catholic for many years, I have only recently thought seriously about Christ and the rapture. I just finished a book called "Left Behind," by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, which has really put my faith, or lack there of, into perspective. I consider myself an educated man and I have never "TRULY" believed in the bible though I think something inside of me really wants to. I just can't follow the bible and all of the interpretations and contradictions. For every argument you or someone else gives that is backed up with numerous bible accounts, I can find ten web pages that utilize other bible accounts to support the opposing argument. I even found one page that was called the "anti-rapture" page that believes it already happened. I know it takes faith but I need something to make the final connection. This book really touched me and started me in the right direction, but I need some one to help me get convinced. Any Ideas?
My reply ...Something inside of you wants to believe, because God created us that way. We have a built-in hunger for God, and until we find him, we continue to search for something, but don't quite know what. Once we find Him, we know that He was what we were searching for all the time.
Christ is the mediator between God and men. No man comes to the Father except by the Son.
I Tim. 2:5 says, "there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." This shows that Mary is not a mediatrix.
> I know it takes faith but I need something to make the final connection.
Mankind is being tested. God gave you a manual to study to be able to pass your test. Read the scriptures for yourself. They will show you the way. Start with the New Testament. Everything in the original editions is pure truth, the only rock-hard truth we have. Why try to reconcile what sinful man says when you have God's perfect word of truth?
Here is what Romans 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
The Jewish historian Josephus was born in 37 AD. He recorded a gem for us. When writing of the "stoning of James, the brother of Jesus, called the Christ," he recorded these facts.
"There was about this time JESUS, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works. HE WAS CHRIST. Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, condemned him to the cross. HE APPEARED TO HIS FOLLOWERS ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY."
You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Agape
Incoming Email Encouragement. Peace be with you.
I have been wanting to write you for some time. However I have never felt that the time was right. I have watched your web page for about 6-8 months now and have found it enlightening. You have put a great deal of effort to this work. From your zeal in defense of the word and of Christ Jesus I can tell you have a great love for our Lord. You have been blessed.
You may not be a Prophet, but you are a teacher. As you hold the body of your work up to the brightest light imaginable, that of the divine word of God, you have shown that we all can make mistakes. It takes an awful lot of courage and faith to be able to do just that (see Hebrews 11:1-39). We all need that kind of faith now. It would be wonderful if all of the believers in Jesus Christ would wake up! Our time is so short, and yet the enemy as so infected us that all we have time to do is bicker. We as the Bride and Body of Christ should be ashamed of ourselves. But we go on arguing on pre-trib or post-trib, who's qualified for rapture or not. Is it faith alone or works or when is He coming. We should stop with all this sibling rivalry and get on with what the Lord has called us to do. Win Hearts and Minds for the Body of Christ.
Brothers and Sisters, haven't we forgotten someone? The main thing is that we keep the main thing the main thing. The Lord Jesus Christ came to save us from ourselves. His death and resurrection atoned for our sins. We should be focusing our efforts as if OUR LORD will return any time. I believe any day he could return. Yet we (even me) have stopped living each day as if it were the Lord's and focused on dates and times. Have we all missed how surprising he can be (see Matt 14:22-33) God reminded me that all days are His. God will do things according to His time not ours.
What we must to is set our sights on Jesus and keep running the race. Just as Marilyn has. (Jeremiah 50:2) We should not hide our faith, but uncover it so it will shine before all of the people. When people look at us in the workplace, the store, on the highway or even in church they should see the Love of Jesus in our eyes. So Brothers and Sisters, we need to hide the word in our heart set or eyes on Jesus and be ready when He calls us home. That day I pray will be soon.
Please pray for Marilyn, so she can continue her ministry. Marilyn perhaps you should change the focus of your site to the rapture could occur at any day and preparing the Bride for the Groom. You do that to an extent now, but you could do more, by showing the body the other gems that you learned during your studies. Don't ever forget that you are Salt and Light. In His Love, Maranatha!
My reply ...Thanks for all your kind remarks.
> you have a great love for our Lord.
That's for sure. There is no room in my life for the slightest flicker of doubt.
> we go on arguing on pre-trib or post-trib, who's qualified for rapture or
> not. Is it faith alone or works
We're still at it. I just got three files forwarded to me that are from another web site arguing that the Rapture would be at or just prior to the seventh trumpet of Rev. 11:15-19. That would put the saints through 6/7th of God's Wrath. All I can do right now is shake my head. Even the Tribulation saints will be gone before the first judgment trumpet sounds.
I Thess. 5:9-11 says, "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another." The Rapture passage in I Thess. 4:13-18 also ends with "comfort one another with these words." Thoughts of going through six trumpet judgments is not comforting. By that time, civilization as we know it will be destroyed. Every wall will have fallen.
And yes, it's faith alone. Our faith will get us into Heaven. We just want to be certain that we have all our sins under the blood of Christ so we will be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of Man.
I like the format of the Pro and Cons. I am not the only one with insight. I can learn from others and they can learn from me. My ideas can be tested by that bright light of Scripture and by other's ideas of what it means. I don't have a corner on understanding. I seek the truth and nothing but the truth. Also, if someone asks a question, they at least read the answer. It is a subject of interest to them personally. Agape
Incoming Email Be strong.
Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus! And God bless you Marilyn! I've been visiting your site regularly since early April, when a friend directed me to it. There is much that is interesting, and although I cannot say I agree with everything in it, I have been forced to "search the Scriptures to see if these things are so," as you have admonished. And it's been GOOD for me to do so! I just want to say, whether today, tomorrow, next month, or next year, I am CERTAIN that Jesus is coming soon, VERY soon, that He is, in fact, "so near, He is at the door."
I am writing to encourage you, and the members of His Body, to "be strong, and of good courage" as Jesus Himself encouraged Joshua. At church this morning, my pastor preached this message from Ephesians 6 (NIV):
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
As we await the Lord's inevitable and momentary return, stand on His promises, every one of them. For Christ is our life, our strength, our ever present help in time of need, and He is ALWAYS WITH US. By His precious Spirit we receive comfort, knowledge and wisdom, instruction, correction, and the AGAPE love of God to fill us, overflow us, and infect everyone we contact in this life.
Marilyn, I pray especially that God would heal, strengthen, sustain, and invigorate your physical being in the name of Jesus!
Be STRONG! Have courage! Allow the joy of the Lord to be your strength, and worship and adore our blessed Savior and Lord! In His precious love
My reply Thanks for your kindness and prayer in my behalf. I have courage. I live in pain, am sensitive and cry easily, be it good or bad, yet I am a STRONG person. My faith absolutely CANNOT be broken. My determination to do what I think the Lord wants me to do is tremendous. I do the best I can in spite of everything that happens. I want to hear that well done good and faithful servant when I get to Heaven. I want to earn the right to be a member of the Bride of Christ. To me, there can be no higher honor than to be close to our wonderful Lord.
When I am near another Spirit-filled Christian, I can feel the agape love flow between us. Sometimes it stands the hair up on my arms. Don't you know it's going to be a mighty strong flow when we see the Lord in person. We are so lucky to have this chance put before us, we just can't muff it.
Incoming Email Re: Correction to your interpretation of the ten virgins parable.
Many times on your page you have taught that the "five foolish virgins" in Christ's parable in Matthew 25 represent people who are saved but "lukewarm". This is incorrect. They represent that which is unsaved. Some simple comparison of Scripture would show you that.
Matthew 25: 11-12: 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying Lord, Lord open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Please compare this language to Matthew 7: 21-23: 21 Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my father which is in Heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord , Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.
Marilyn please note the language Christ uses in both cases. The foolish virgins are the ones Christ says he "does not know". In Matthew 7 the ones who cannot enter heaven are the ones he "never knew". Comparing the two Scriptures should make it obvious the foolish virgins are not known of Christ and therefore unsaved.
Please note as well what the foolish virgins say: "Lord, Lord". Please note what Jesus says they will say to Him on Judgement Day: "Lord, Lord". Can God make it any more clear?
God defines salvation as "knowing Christ" in John 17:3. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."
Since the bridegroom claims he "does not know" the foolish virgins, by God's own definition they cannot represent saved people.
Yet you are right when you claim they are a part of the body of Christ. They represent the "natural body" of Christ, while the wise virgins typify the "spiritual body" of Christ. As Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15: 44 "... there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body".
Each time we enter Scripture and "rightly divide the Word of Truth" we are dividing the natural body from the spiritual body. We are dividing the "letter" of the Word from the "spirit" of the Word, by "comparing spiritual things with spiritual".
Thus both these parables in Matthew 7 and 25 typify the spiritual interpretation of Scripture vs. the carnal interpretation. The Rapture is just the spiritual interpretation of the Word performed by the Holy Spirit within us.
It is a shame that you cannot yet see this great truth. I challenge you to put this letter on your page and let the readers decide if there is any truth to my interpretation.
My reply > Marilyn please note the language Christ uses in both cases. The foolish virgins are
> the ones Christ says he "does not know". In Matthew 7 the ones who cannot enter
> heaven are the ones he "never knew". Comparing the two Scriptures should make it
> obvious the foolish virgins are not known of Christ and therefore unsaved.
There is a world of difference between "does not know" (right now) and "never knew" in the past.
Because the Laodicean Christians are "lukewarm," Jesus tells them, "I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev. 3:16), out of the Body of Christ for chastisement (v. 19). They are Christians for they have to be in the Body of Christ to be spued out of the Body of Christ. They are not assimilated. They are still in the stomach. At that moment, I think that he "does not know" them. They have not drawn close to him in an agape love relationship. They are carnal Christians. Yet, they went out to meet the Bridegroom. They thought they had it made, but they found out that they did not have enough anointing oil of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says that they "knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked" (v. 17). He tells them that they need "white raiment" (v. 18).
Jesus told Peter that if he didn't wash Peter's feet, Peter had no part with Him. We should bring all our sins committed since we accepted Christ under the blood of Christ, i.e., we need to wash our robes and make them white in the blood of the Lamb (Rev. 7:14). How do we do that? We use I John 1:9, confess our sins to God so he can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Thus, the Holy Spirit is no longer quenched and is as a well of living water welling up with us. We are back in fellowship with our holy God and are filled with his Holy Spirit.
Incoming Email Please check out what you wrote in your answer to someone in your P & C's 263, " This year 1999, Sivan 6 is on a Friday. Sivan 7 is on Saturnday. Both are listed as Shavout (Pentecost) on the Talmadic Calendar".
Was this a typing error of Saturday? Or is this a hidden revealation which just has been revealed? "Saturn" is heaven and "Saturnday" is the Heavenly Day we are looking foward too! MARANATHA!
My reply Saturday: a prehistoric compound whose first component was borrowed from L Saturnus, Saturn, i.e., Saturn's day = Saturday.
It was not a typo. It was not a hidden revelation, either. I am still unsure whether Pentecost is to be considered Sivan 6 or Sivan 7 at the present time. I'll be happy with either day, or any day before then.
Sivan 7 seems to be when Pentecost has "fully come." Yet, the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation seem to start on Sivan 6. If we count the omer by inclusive reckoning, we arrive at Sivan 6, if not by inclusive reckoning, we arive at Sivan 7. Whatever, the Jews were to go up to Jerusalem on Pentecost.
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