Pro and Con 282
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Incoming Email Just a thought: Do you see any significance to the following?: From June 11, 1967, the day after the Six Day War to June 11, 2000?
June 11, 1967 - Sunday
June 11, 2000 - Sunday - 33 Years - Pentecost
I know that Sivan 6 falls on a FRIDAY. I am of the opinion that Pentecost must always fall on a Sunday.
My reply Wow! a strange thing just happened in the last sentence above. I was copying the letter you mailed me to reply to it by email. Look what came out in caps without my doing it--FRIDAY. You did not have it in caps and I did not realize what happened until I finished the sentence and looked back. Neither the shift nor caps lock key was down. Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5759, is FRIDAY, May 21, 1999.
Do you think that Mt. 24:20 can apply to the Rapture? Jesus spoke of "them" in v. 19, then changed to "ye" in verse 20. Then, he went back to the great tribulation in v. 21. Did he stop in the middle of what he was saying concerning Mid-Trib and turn to the disciples and say, "But pray YE that YOUR flight (Rapture?) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day"? Sivan 7, 5759 is Saturday, the Sabbath. Not in the winter fits Song of Solomon 2:11. If Mt. 24:20 fits the Rapture, the FRIDAY being emphasized would make sense.
If we are to count 50 days from Nisan 16 and end up on Sivan 6, we would have to use Jewish inclusive reckoning to count the omer. Nisan 16 would be day number one.
I can't think of how 33 years June 11, 1967 to June 11, 2000 could apply. However, since Jesus, an Israelite, experienced tribulation in 30 AD when he was 33 1/2 years old, that could be a rough estimate of Tribulation beginning for Israel on the Feast of Weeks on 5-28-2001 (1967 + 33 = 2000 + 6 months).
From Rev. 1:10, I thought the Pre-Trib Rapture should be on Sunday, but "the Lord's day" could also refer to "ONE of the days of the Son of man" in Luke 17:22, which is the Rapture.
Incoming Email Re: when...exactly?
When do you think is the exact time of the rapture?(day, hour,ect.....)
My reply Exactly? I can't pin it down that close, but I'll tell you what my latest thinking is on this.
First, I do think the Pre-Trib Rapture is likely to take place next Pentecost.
James 5:7, in the Tischendorf New Testament, which I am now reading, says, "Be PATIENT therefore, brethren (believers), unto the coming of the Lord (i.e., the Rapture). Behold, the husbandman WAITETH for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long PATIENCE for it, until he receive THE EARLY (former rain in Tishri) and LATER RAIN (of Nisan). Be ye also PATIENT; stablish your hearts: for the COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH. Grudge not one against another, brethren. lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge (Christ) standeth before the DOOR" (the "open door" of Rev. 3:8).
When Christ stands before the door, it is just before the Rapture, and, the next feast after the feasts of Nisan is Pentecost. In fact, Pentecost is the only feast that is neither in the month of Tishri nor Nisan. It is also the only feast that has a plain connection to the Church. The Church was born on Earth on Pentecost. Believers were filled with the Holy Spirit. It makes sense that the believers that are filled with the Holy Spirit will be born into another new world on the anniversary of the coming of the Spirit of Christ. Pentecost agrees with the time clues in Song of Solomon 2:10-14. It is the only feast that does.
Our PATIENCE will be rewarded. Rev. 3:10, in the Tischendorf NT, says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my PATIENCE, I also will KEEP THEE FROM the hour of temptation (peirasmos, trial, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
Lately, I have been mulling over the day, Sivan 6 or 7 (May 21 or 22, 1999). One day, I thought it would be on Sivan 7, until I remembered that the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation are counted by inclusive reckoning and start on Sivan 6 (the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost) in 2001 and end on Tishri 1 (the Feast of Trumpets) in 2007. I don't see how that can be moved. There is no other place left within the 40 years of probation since Israel grew leaves that there are 2300 days between those feasts. This points to Sivan 6.
Looking back over some research papers I have, I have determined that the Jews count the omer by inclusive reckoning. They did in 30 AD also. That points to Sivan 6 too. Josephus showed us that the count should start on the Feast of Firstfruits, Nisan 16. If Nisan 16 is day one, the 50th day is Sivan 6.
Therefore, if you pin me down and make me choose a day for the Rapture, I now think Sivan 6, 5759, our Friday, May 21, 1999, is the most likely. Eve, the bride, was taken out of Adam's body on Friday. We are the Bride to be taken out of the Body of Christ. What better type could we find? Friday makes sense.
In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev. 1:10 says, "I was (lit. became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day." I used to think this meant Sunday, but it might mean "ONE of the DAYS of the Son of man" (Lu. 17:22). Those two days of the Son of man are the two Raptures. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah. No fire falls that day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the days of Lot. Fire falls that same day.
If there is a chance that Mt. 24:20 could apply to the Rapture, it would not be on the Saturday Sabbath. In verse 19, Jesus was talking about "them" at the middle of the Tribulation. In verse 20, he changed to "ye" as if he turned and addressed the disciples. Then in verse 21, he again is talking about the great tribulation. Mt. 24:20 (KJV) says, But pray ye that your FLIGHT be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." Not in winter agrees with Song of Solomon 2:11.
I can't pin down the hour. The parable of the ten virgins in Mt. 25:6 says that the bridegroom came at midnight. But, Luke 12:38 says, "if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants." Mark 6:48 could even indicate the fourth watch. It says, "about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea."
From 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM is the first watch of the night. From 9:00 PM to midnight is the second watch. From midnight to 3:00 AM is the third watch. From 3:00 AM to 6:00 AM is the fourth watch. Thus from the beginning of the second watch at 9:00 PM to the end of the fourth watch at 6:00 AM could be the time slot.
Someone suggested that it might take place when Saturn rises on the horizon. That will be 4:28 AM on the 21st. All this is Jerusalem time.
Across this globe, we have different time zones that also have to be taken into consideration. We are not told for sure if the Rapture takes place all at once or as a certain time rolls around in our time zone. The hour is not easy to figure out.
Jesus said to occupy till he comes. I think we should get ready right now and be patient until he comes. Jesus said to watch. I'm watching.
Re: "SKY BLUE #21"
Just a thought, I had the other day. The vision of the number 21 I received back in January this year while in prayer, the one I wrote and told you about. I told you at the time I did not know whether or not it was personal, or had to do with the Rapture. I have, something I had overlooked to add to it. I did not mention it at the time, but somehow it seems important to add to it correctly. I saw a " SKY BLUE NUMBER 21", I had not mentioned the colour of it when I first reported it, but I feel that because, it was SKY BLUE in colour, we should be looking up and it is important to add this information. I guess, at the time I was concentrating on the number instead of the total vision.
I also emailed the 5 Doves site, and told them of my vision, I got a surprising response. A Man in Malaysia, by the name of Eddie Tan, also had a similar vision, "YESHUA 21" SKY BLUE COLOUR. I believe Jesus is coming VERY SOON and we should all be ready at all times!
I believe that the Rapture may very well take place around May 21, 22, or 23, of this year, if not sooner.
JUST CURIOUS, HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE IN REGARDS TO A VISION OF A SKY BLUE NUMBER 21?
Marilyn, I keep you in your family in my daily prayers, please keep praying for us also. Keep looking UP, JESUS IS COMING SOON, IN HIS AGAPE LOVE
My reply Strange that this should come in at this particular time. I have been trying to decide between Sivan 6 and Sivan 7. Sivan 6 won out. That will be Friday, May 21, 1999. You will see what I mean on Pro and Con 282.
Also, a man phoned me today that had a dream of the Rapture before he read my book, "Heaven Found" and found out what the Rapture was. In his dream, he was in his apartment with his wife when they heard a commotion. They went outside to see what it was. There were maybe 50 or 60 people in the street watching before anything happened. The sky was cloudy. Then a slit opened up and Christ came down out of it.
Later, he realized that all those people were watching and looking for something in the sky before it happened--and at that time, he wasn't. He is now.
Thanks for sending this to me, also for your prayers. I'm praying for you too.
I wish you peace....I wrote you several months ago when I first tuned into your Website and I have been following your writings almost daily. I am very much interested in end time events and I regard these scripturally based prophecies with the utmost attention and seriousness. But you made some statements in Pro and Con 279 which I, as a Catholic Christian, must respond to.
1. Regarding the "worship" of Mary, the Mother of God.........
Marilyn, Catholics do not worship Mary, the Mother of God, in any shape, manner, or form. As you know, Catholic Christians, like Christians everywhere, are firm believers in the power of prayer and in the power of God to answer prayer. All prayer goes to God. All prayers are heard by God. All prayers are answered by God (in some way and in some form). However, Catholic Christians believe in the intercessory power of Mary, the Mother of God, and the holy Saints who, being part of the elect and being ever close to the Father in Heaven, have the power to intervene or act as an intercessor TO THE FATHER on our behalf. Thus, when we pray, we pray directly to God, but we may ask one of the holy elect (e.g., his Saints) to intervene on our behalf to the Father in Heaven.
2. Regarding the "worship of idols".
Catholics Christians do not worship idols (e.g. statues). Statues are being tangible symbols or earthly representations of heavenly beings (e.g., the holy elect or Saints) who are close to God and who may, if we ask in a reverent and sincere way, to intervene to the Father on our behalf (e.g., for a special favor or intention). But we never, never, never, pray to that holy Saint to praise that Saint or to "worship" that Saint. Only Almighty God can and should be praised and glorified. Never is Mary, the Mother of God glorified or praised the way God is praised. We "honor" the Saints, we ask them to intervene to our holy Father on our behalf, but we don't glorify them the way we glorify God.
I think that I can say the same for Orthodox Christians who, by their own sacred traditions, use icons representing the holy elect rather than statues. But the idea is the same. We honor the Saints, we ask them to intervene for us, but we worship and glorify God, the Almighty Father.
3. Regarding the infallibility of the Pope.
Marilyn, I don't think that I should get into this issue because I do not know enough to discuss this intelligently except to say that the authority of the Pope was given to Peter (the first head of the Church, the first Pope) when Jesus told him that "you are Peter (the Rock) and upon this rock (Peter) I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld (hell, evil, Satan) shall not prevail against it (the Church). And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth (a disciplinary reference, e.g. excommunication, etc. or refers to doctrinal or juridical decisions) shall be considered bound in Heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in Heaven". [Matthew 16:18-20]
I do not believe that at the Great Judgement we will be asked which branch of Christianity we belonged to or which Bible translation we used in our studies of the Word of God. Rather, I believe we will be judged by the manner in which we have honored (or dishonored) God and/ or our fellow man/women in this life and whether or not we have asked in all sincerity for repentence for dishonoring God (e.g., our sins, offenses, our negligences, etc) and and for dishonoring (sinning) against our fellow man. In other words, we will be judged by the state of our souls and the relationship we have (presence tense) with God at the moment of our judgement.
Marilyn, thank you for all your good work. Hope to see you at the First Rapture. Peace, agape!
My reply Shalom. Me as a Baptist and you as a Catholic seems to put us a world apart, but it does not in things that are important. We are both believers in our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what counts. Everything else falls by the wayside. The Catholic Church is not perfect, but churches of the Reformation are not perfect, either. I know someone who would very much like to find the perfect church, but there aren't any. Human beings are just not perfect. Therefore, our human leaders are not perfect, either. However, there are overcomers in both Catholic and Protestant groups. We all need to read our Bibles so we can tell if we are being fed the right stuff or not. We have to think for ourselves.
In Rev. 3:1-5, Jesus said to the church in Sardis (depicting the Reformation), I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have NOT FOUND THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
In Rev. 2:19-28, Jesus said to the church in Thyatira (depicting the Catholic Church), "I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (joining together with other religions), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols (images were forbidden in Ex. 20:4). And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her (all religions will join together in a world church and be led by first, the Beast and second, the Satan-possessed False Prophet) into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I WILL PUT UPON YOU NONE OTHER BURDEN. BUT THAT WHICH YE HAVE ALREADY HOLD FAST TILL I COME. And he that OVERCOMETH, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I WILL GIVE HIM THE MORNING STAR" (Heaven).
If the Lord puts on you no other burden but to hold fast, neither do I. As long as we both hang onto our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we will be overcomers and will end up in Heaven with our precious Lord.
The comments I will make will only be to show you the way I see it, not to argue or to get you to change anything.
> Mary, the Mother of God
I do not consider her the Mother of God. God always existed. Mary existed in BC 5. There is no way that she could give birth to the one who created the Earth long before her time. I consider her the mother of the human body of Jesus. Isa. 9:6 says, "For unto us a child is BORN (inheriting his human nature from Mary), unto us a son is GIVEN (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Jesus' deity was "given," not born. Jesus said, "a body hast thou prepared me" (Heb. 10:5). He existed before the body of Jesus existed. "IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:1-3,14).
> Catholic Christians believe in the intercessory power of Mary
When Jesus taught the apostles to pray, he addressed the prayer straight to the Father. When his mother and brethren could not get to him for all the people around him, one said to him, "Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it" (Lu. 8:19-21). I think he did this so we would not put undue reverence upon either his mother or his brethren. She was blessed among women because she was chosen to bring his human body into this world, and there it rests.
I do think Mary will put his golden crown on his head on Coronation Day. Canticles 3:11 (Conf.) says, "Daughters of Jerusalem, come forth and look upon King Solomon (type of the Son of David) In the crown with which his mother has crowned him on the day of his marriage." I think Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) will be the day of his coronation, of the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ and of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb--all taking place in Heaven.
As for prayer, in Mt. 21:22, Jesus said, "And ALL things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." I Tim. 2:5 says, "there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." We should pray in Jesus' name. There is no other mediator.
> Catholics Christians do not worship idols (e.g. statues). Statues are
> being tangible symbols or earthly representations of heavenly beings (e.g.,
> the holy elect or Saints)
Ex. 20:4,5 in the Confraternity Version says, "You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything IN THE SKY ABOVE or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or worship them." I attended a Catholic wedding and the bride bowed down before the statue of Mary. I think Scripture plainly forbids this.
> the authority of the Pope was given to Peter (the first head of the Church, the
> first Pope) when Jesus told him that "you are Peter (the Rock) and upon
> this rock (Peter) I will build my Church.
Acts 15:7-14 says, And when there has been much disputing (questioning), Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe (This took place at Cornelius' house, Acts 10:34-48). And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul...And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name."
Peter's voice was one of four. He was not the one in complete command. In Gal. 2:7-9, Paul said, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentile:) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
James, Peter and John were all pillars in the church at this time.
From here on, it is clear that the the gospel of the circumcision (Jews) was unto Peter, and the gospel of the uncircumcision (Gentiles) was unto Paul.
Since Peter's work hereafter was among the Jews and Paul's among the Gentiles, does that make Paul the first Pope over the Gentiles? If you say, "Yes," you'll be the first I ever heard suggest such a thing.
> the authority of the Pope was given to Peter (the first head of the Church, the
> first Pope) when Jesus told him that "you are Peter (the Rock) and upon
> this rock (Peter) I will build my Church.
Mt. 16:13-18 (Conf.) says, "Now Jesus...began to ask his disciples, saying, 'Who do men say the Son of Man is? 'But they said, 'Some say, John the Baptist; and others, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.' He said to them, 'But who do you say that I am?' Simon Peter answered and said, 'THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.' Then Jesus answered and said, 'Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to thee, but my Father in heaven. And I say to thee, thou art Peter (petros, a piece of rock), and upon this rock (petra, a large mass of rock, as in Petra, the city hewn from sandstone) I will build my Church."
What is the huge "petra" upon which Christ would build the Church? Petros' statement that 'THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.' I Cor. 10:4 says, "and that Rock (petra) was Christ."
In Mt. 22:42, Jesus asked, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?" This is what we have to answer correctly, as Peter did.
At the Judgment Seat of Christ, we will receive or lose rewards for what we have built on our petra. I Cor. 3:11-15 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." Agape. See you in glory.
Reference to "this age" in Mt 12:32 certainly suggests that is was possible to
commit the sin that leads to death in 30 AD. Don't know how I missed that. But
it also finishes, "or in the age to come," suggesting that it is still possible
to commit that sin today and into the Millennium -- assuming an age is 2000 years
long. Thank You.
Mt. 12:31,32 is all the warning we need to be careful not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
I think a normal age is 2000 years and that this Age of the Church started in
BC 3. Here are my dates for the beginning of the three ages of time:
Age of the Gentiles - BC 4004/3
Age of the Jews - BC 2004/3
Age of the Church - BC 4/3
2000 - 3 + 1 because there is no zero year = 1998 (5758)
5758 - 6000 + 1 = 243 BJE (Before Jewish Era) = BC 4004/3
I think the last part of Mt. 12:32 would be better translated, "neither in this age, or in that to come," as in Green's Interlinear. The Millennium is only 1000 years, not 2000. The translators of the KJV added the second "world" (age) in italics. It is not there in the original. The Lord was very careful how he phrased things.
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