Pro and Con 285
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You wrote in P&C 284,
<"Do you suppose this Rapture operation could take 40 days? Jesus ascended after 40 days in 30 AD. The rain fell 40 days in Noah's day. Food for thought. We'll just have to wait and see what happens May 14-21. Watch the news. It could be very interesting".>
I would have thought that the 4o day reference applied to, some other "generational" reference such as..."When Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War in 1967". or something like that. But it does lead to a very interesting question. Why did it in rain forty days and night? What connection to "...as in the days of Noah" and end-time events?
Not sure I can connect a 40 day rapture processional?...or would want to (yech! - think it's tough now focusing on day-to-day existence.).
Prayers for you and Ed and Dave. Thanks for keeping the page going. Like the countdown feature - offers an immediate hope.
In Him - THIS PENTECOST !!! (caps mine, unfortunately)
My reply I was just wondering. I like to consider anything and everything, keep the good and throw out the bad.
I don't really think it takes 40 days. Jesus raised the OT saints and took them to heaven in one day, Resurrection Day, and then returned to Earth. There is a better chance that the 40 days before His ascension is to prefigure the 40 years before the Pre-Wrath Rapture, when the Body of Christ is ALL in Heaven (I Cor. 15:51,52).
If that is so, then the raising of the OT saints on Resurrection Day could demonstrate that a different group, i.e., the Bride of Christ, would be taken to Heaven earlier. There are those that think the Rapture will be on Resurrection Day. If, by any chance, the Rapture could be on Nisan 16, it is Friday, April 2, 1999. That is called "Good Friday." If the Rapture were to be on that day, it would be an exceptionally Good Friday.
Note: Resurrection Day in 30 AD was on Nisan 16, Sunday.
However, the passage in Song of Solomon 2:10-14 just makes it seem that that day is a bit early. The rains of Nisan are not always over until the month is over. Grapes do not begin to bear until the latter part of May or the early part of June. Green's Interlinear has "the vines (with) the BLOSSOM give a fragrance." The word "grape" in the KJV is "cemader," a vine blossom (Strong's) or semadar, tender flower, the bulb (Young's). Gesenius says, "Some of the Jewish doctors do not understand this to be the blossom of the vine, but the small grapes just out of the blossom."
John 15:1,2 says, "I AM the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he TAKETH AWAY: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
Keep that in mind as you read The Song 2:10-15 in the LXX, for it speaks of "the time of pruning." It says, "My kinsman (Christ is the kinsman redeemer) answers, and says to me, RISE UP, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove. For, behold, the winter is past, the rain is gone, it has departed. The flowers are seen in the land; the TIME OF PRUNING has arrived; the voice of the turtle-dove has been heard in our land (they arrive in April). The fig-tree has put forth its young figs, the vines put forth the tender grape, they yield a smell: ARISE, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove; yea, COME. Thou art my dove, in the shelter of the rock, near the wall: shew me thy face, and cause me to hear thy voice; for thy voice is sweet, and thy countenance is beautiful. Take us the little foxes that spoil the vines: for our vines put forth tender grapes."
Nu. 10 starts out talking about the two silver assembly trumpets that are for calling the assembly and the journeying of the camps. This I associate with the Raptures. Look what it says in 10-12: "Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt-offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace-offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God." And it came to pass on the twentieth day of the second month (Iyar 20), IN THE SECOND YEAR, that the cloud was taken up from off the tabernacle of the testimony. And the children of Israel TOOK THEIR JOURNEYS OUT of the wilderness of Sinai; and the CLOUD rested in the wilderness of Paran (beauty, glory, ornament)."
They were on the march from Sinai to Kadesh-barnea. This halt along the way was at Paran on Iyar 20. When they got to Kadesh-barnea, the spies were sent into the promised land. "Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes. So THEY WENT UP, and searched the land" (Nu. 13:20,21).
Iyar 20 rules out Nisan for this operation. "IN THE SECOND YEAR" is especially interesting since there were so many clues that pointed to 1998 for the Rapture. Maybe we are in the second year now. This time of the firstripe grapes seems just right to be Pentecost, 15 days after Iyar 20. Job 5:24 says, "thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin." Doesn't our visiting our habitation fit with their searching out their promised land? The second year fits, and Pentecost fits. I am looking for the Rapture on Sivan 6, Friday, May 21, 1999. And I won't be afraid of giants in the land, for I know the power of the Lord. What he says goes. Agape
Incoming Email I READ AND ENJOYED YOUR BOOK EXIT 2007. I'M CURIOUS, BECAUSE THE RAPTURE DID NOT OCCUR ON THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF MAY 31, 1998, HOW HAS THIS INFLUENCED YOUR INTERPRETATION OF EVENTS CONCERNING THE SECOND COMING?
THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO RESPOND.
My reply It changes nothing except the date of the Rapture, which I am looking for this coming Pentecost, May 21, 1999.
I did not take into consideration Queen Esther's 12 months of purification, and Israel's engagements of 1 year to prove the bride a virgin. It is evident that there is a tarrying period in the parable of the ten virgins, but I failed to pick up on it.
It seems that Satan is being allowed to sift us in a sieve this year to see if we will hang in there or not. Stay strong. Agape
Incoming EmailIve read your 3 books. If Saturn is heaven, it it possible that one of the other planets is hell? (hell is thrown into the lake of fire)
My replyI think Hell is the bottomless pit, the center of the Earth. In Rev. 6:8, "his name that sat on him (the pale horse) was Death, and Hell followed with him. That "Death" is the False Prophet, and "Hell" (Satan) followed with him, inhabiting him.
In Rev. 20:14,15, "death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Verse 10 is very clear. It says, "And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
Incoming EmailIt's been a couple of months since I've written...I've been ill most of that time...however, the highlight of my day is most often reading the Pros and Cons section I look for daily!! Today, although I am still in recovery from my third consecutive bout with this flu...I couldn't pass a chance to say, "Amen! Hallelujah!" to today's pro/con 283, as well as yesterday's 282!!
I wrote you earlier that I had been deeply impressed with the number 21...and was glad to hear from the (one) who asked for "blue sky" confirmation. Another issue that I have been deeply impressed with as I have read scripture is I Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the Lord will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. Once these signs are fulfilled, do whatever your hand finds to do, for god is with you...but you must wait seven days until I come to you and tell you what you are to do."
I have felt those words go to my bone marrow when I read them, as they do only when God is speaking to me specifically. I, too, have wondered for the last year or so if there is not a time gap involved in the resurrection and rapture that allow us a 40 day window where we are able to be transported at will around this globe to warn loved ones and prepare them for what is ahead. Again Scripture gives us the precedent in Matt. 27:51: "At that moment [Jesus's death], the curtain of the temple was torn in two from the top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people."
It seems to me to be a reasonable part of "This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven; will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:11...Also it seems very much in character with the Jesus I have come to love to allow such a period of grace... What do you think? Much Love Dear One
My reply Sorry to hear about your flu. Ed seemed to not recover for one year from the worst bout with flu of his life. At the end of a year, we found out that he had developed diabetes. The stress of having to install draperies with the flu may have brought on the diabetes. Now, we are using Echinacea and Vit. C crystals in a glass of water to try to keep from getting our son Dave's really bad cold. So far, so good. We all take Alka Seltzer Plus Cold to help with the symptoms when we do get something. It's the best we have found. Time before last, Ed got a cheaper brand, but the effect was not nearly as good.
> I wrote you earlier that I had been deeply impressed with the number 21...and was
> glad to hear from the gentleman who asked for "blue sky" confirmation.
It is adding up that several were impressed with "21" (7 + 7 + 7) isn't it? Seven is the Lord's number. I had 1LUV 777 on the license plates of one car we had. Oh how I hated to give that up. I begged to keep it, to no avail.
> 40 day window where we are able to be transported at will around this
> globe to warn loved ones and prepare them for what is ahead.
I don't see that happening. Those were the dead that were raised and appeared to many in 30 AD, not the living.
I keep mulling over 1999. It seems that most clues were for 1998. However, there are some that do point to l999.
Israel declared her Independence on May 14,1948, but she faced a ONE-YEAR PERIOD OF TARRYING after her Declaration of Independence. During that year, there was WARFARE, a TESTING to see if they would hold fast, until 1949, when armistice agreements were signed and finally she was accepted by the UN May 11, 1949. It is strange, but Ascension Day this year is Tues. May 11 (Nisan 16 to Iyar 25, by inclusive reckoning). Are we being tested to see if we will hold fast from May 31, 1998 to May 21, 1999?
It is interesting that from the Exodus in the Jewish 2231 (2513 AH, BC 1530), the 72nd Jubilee year is 5759 (our 1999). It correlates with 1949 + 50 = 1999 too.
I think 1998 was the 6000th year since Adam was cast out of Eden, and 1998 means the season of Noah. Maybe the season of Noah started last year and lasts through this year. This is the 6001st year. Noah entered the Ark when 600 and heard the go forth when he was 601. This one-year interval could be one reason we would not have to wait until Pentecost 2000. The Rapture is as the days of Noah. He was in the Ark just about one solar year. What do you think?
Incoming Email ...Just one thing I couldn't help but notice. When you talked about the PRIZE that Paul talked about losing and him being a "castaway", Paul answered your question in the very next few verses that YOU quoted! He tells you WHAT the PRIZE is! [He uses the word CROWN at least THREE times [in the verses you used] --- it is an "incorruptible crown" that Paul is AFTER that's the prize, not the rapture! He does not want his works burned up at the Judgment seat of Christ. I can't imagine being more a castaway than getting up to the Judgment Seat of Christ only to discover that you have NOTHING - no crown to CAST before the throne [remember that the 24 elders CAST their CROWNS before the throne of the Lamb! That is the ONLY thing that we can ever GIVE BACK to GOD - our crowns! [And we can take souls with us to heaven, of course!]
You amaze me, Marilyn! I don't know how you do all that you do, but I certainly do admire you! Whatever the "prize" is that we are talking of, I don't feel that we have long to wait for it OR FOR our Redeemer!!!! Lov
My reply Thanks for the kudos.
> it is an "incorruptible crown" that Paul is AFTER that's the prize, not the rapture!
Yes, but this crown is given AT the Rapture. Rev. 3:10,11 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (i.e., the Rapture): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."
In Phil. 3:14, when Paul said, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus," he wasn't talking about the crown. He was talking about the Rapture. The very literal Concordant Version says, "toward the goal am I pursuing for the prize of God's calling above in Christ Jesus."
Verses 20 and 21 (KJV) say, "For our conversation (lit. citizenship) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body." I think it is clear that the prize is the Rapture as well as the crown.
Incoming Email SNL STAFF wrote:
No one knows the day or hour that the Lord is coming!
My reply We'll see. Mt. 24:36 says, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man." The word "knoweth" is present tense. On that day no man knew. Why do you think the Lord commanded us to watch?
In fact, he said, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." What if you do watch?
Why do you think he said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things"?
Why did he say, "Nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad" (Lu. 8:17)?
In Mark 4:22,23, why did Jesus say, "For there is NOTHING hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad (that includes the date of the Rapture). If any man have ears to hear, let him hear"? Five verses later, he said, "For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn (siton, grain, especially wheat) in the ear. But WHEN THE FRUIT IS BROUGHT FORTH, IMMEDIATELY he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come."
Why, in I John 2:20, did John tell the ones of the "last time," "ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know ALL things"?
Why In Dan. 12:10 did the Lord say, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand"?
Are you watching? Have you gotten the grace that comes with searching? If not, why not? because you are not searching?
First Peter 1:10-12 says, "Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto YOU: SEARCHING what, or WHAT MANNER OF TIME the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into."
Incoming Email Marilyn, in your zeal to know the hour of the rapture I think you are misinterpreting the scriptures you use to support your position. For instance:
"OF that day and hour KNOWS no man" I am aware of your argument that the verb is in present tense but, as I understand it, the verse is making reference to the day heaven and earth pass away (the verse above it) and so this verse has nothing to do with the rapture and its timing. At any rate, regardless of whether or not the verse is referring to the rapture, it is nigh impossible to get around Matt. 25:13 which IS in reference to the rapture (parable of wise and foolish virgins) "Watch therefore for you know NEITHER the day nor the hour in which the Son of man is coming"
Your argument of simply reversing the command given in Rev. 3:3 "If therefore you don't watch I will come on you as a thief" to mean that if you do watch you can know the hour simply does not wash and it should be obvious. It is purely a subjective interpretation of the verse and has no basis in scripture apart from other subjective interpretations of other verses used to support it. Even a person who watches continuously for the thief CANNOT know beforehand the precise moment the thief will comes until the absolute moment the thief makes his appearance. That should be fundamental logic. It can be likened to the woman whose husband goes away to sea and who goes to the docks every day to await his return until that glorious day she sees the ship in the horizon. She had absolutely no way of knowing which day would be the one except by her daily devotion of going to the dock and waiting. Even the Jewish custom of the groom not knowing which day his father will tell him to go fetch his bride until the moment the father says "Go get her" is an absolutely marvelous prototype of Jesus coming for His bride at the rapture.
"Take heed. Behold, I have foretold you ALL things" simply cannot be used to support your contention that it includes the day of the rapture. ALL is either all things or it is not. If Jesus had foretold all things that would include the mysteries of the universe, the trinity, divine selection, all the things we will know in heaven. As we don't have the answers to these things right now obviously Jesus did NOT foretell us ALL things. Rather, it can be said Jesus foretold us all the things we would need to know for our salvation and, in light of Matt. 25:13, could not include the day of the rapture.
Isaiah 57:1 is a perfect example of your assigning meanings to verses that simply have no basis in scripture. There is nothing in context to suggest that "taken away" is a reference to the rapture or "evil" the tribulation. This is more subjective interpretation, especially when one sees the first two lines of the verse "The righteous perishes and no man takes it to heart" and the fact the verse is a reference to Israel's idolatry (also my bible NKJ does not have the words "to come" following the word "evil").
If you care to make any response to these please post on your web as my e-mail is turned off...God bless you.
My reply > Even a person who watches continuously for the thief CANNOT know
> beforehand the precise moment the thief will comes until the absolute
> moment the thief makes his appearance. That should be fundamental logic.
Have you never read I Thess. 4:4? It says, "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."
> "Take heed. Behold, I have foretold you ALL things" simply cannot be used to support
> your contention that it includes the day of the rapture. ALL is either all things or
> it is not. If Jesus had foretold all things that would include the mysteries of the
> universe, the trinity, divine selection, all the things we will know in heaven. As we
> don't have the answers to these things right now obviously Jesus did NOT foretell us
> ALL things.
I would be scared to death to say that "Jesus did NOT foretell us ALL things," when he said, "Take heed. Behold, I have foretold you ALL things." Isn't that blasphemy? If I were you, I would repent and ask for forgivness. I would not want that against my record at the time of the Rapture. The very thought makes me shudder. Does the creator himself not know what he is saying? "All things were made by him" (John 1:3). "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).
If you are truly interested, I can help you understand the trinity.
Incoming Email I was just reading your response, in Pro/Con 284, and found your reference to Revelation 3:3. Where Jesus implies that if we are watching, we will know the hour of His return. Now, this isn't anything many folks will enjoy, but as it is stated, "a day is like a thousand years"...implies a simple formula. When I break down what 1/2 a day is, it is thus like 12 hours. Again halved, (1/4 a day), is 6 hours. And so on.....until you get to what ONE Hour is: 41.6666666667 years.
Could it be this is literally, mathematically correct, when Jesus states that "this generation (generation= 40 years) shall not pass, until....."
And then again in Revelation 3:3, that we would thus KNOW what hour (generation) He returns?
This is one more link of interesting Bible wording for me......perhaps for you also....hope i pray rich blessings of good health unto you and your family...in His Name!....Many agree!
My reply > ONE Hour is: 41.6666666667 years
In my first book, "Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed," I said, "We were to watch very carefully during these 'latter days,' this last 41 2/3 years. Don't let the Lord come and find you sleeping as he found the disciples slumbering. Jesus said to Peter, "What, could ye not watch with me one hour?" (Mt. 26:40).
"Why one hour? because we are to watch one hour of a 1,000 year day. Like many other things in history, this little dramatization not only applied then, but is also a shadow of things to come and has another application at the end of this age. "This adds a new dimension to the responsibility to watch that already rests on our shoulders. The general command, 'Watch,' is focused down to the final 'watch with me one hour.' One hour is roughly equivalent to one generation. It is important to watch during this last generation."
The year 1967 + 41.7 years = 2008.7. Approximately, within this "hour," all the end of the age prophecies will take place. Let's assume for ease of figuring that the start date is Tishri 1, 5727 (5727 + 41 = Tishri 1, 5768 + 7 months (Ezek. 39:12) = Nisan 1, 5768, the Second Advent on our April 6, 2008.
That's pretty close, but let's take into consideration that Armageddon cannot start until after Christ arrives on Earth. It lasts 40 days and 40 nights. That takes us to Iyar 25. From Tishri 1, 5768 to the end of Iyar is 9 months, (1) Tishri, (2) Cheshvan, (3) Kislev, (4) Teveth, (5) Shevat, (6) Adar, (7) Adar II, (8) Nisan, and (9) Iyar. If we take 12 months x .67, we get 8.04 months--very close to the end of Armageddon. How's that for roughing it out? It is close enough to get us in the ballpark where we can add up other day counts given us to zero in on the exact day.
> And then again in Revelation 3:3, that we would thus KNOW what hour
> (generation) He returns?
I think we can get closer than that, but at least we know that it is within one generation of the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel took the rest of Jerusalem (fulfilling Luke 21:24) and grew leaves (fulfilling Mt. 24:32-34).
Thanks for your prayers for "rich blessings of good health unto you and your family." We are so fortunate to have the Lord's help in these trying days.
We KNOW that he does provide. One time during the Korean war, we were in Columbia, SC. Ed was stationed at Fort Jackson. It was his second stint in the army, as he was in WW II also. It took two months to get his first pay check. One night, we had no food for the next day. As we took our customary one-mile walk that evening, we wondered what we would do the next day. With the morning mail, came a check for, I think, $8.47, the remainder of a bank account we had forgotten about. The next day, Ed's first pay check came through. That is the way the Lord works. He doesn't tell you ahead of time how it will work out, but he knows and brings it to pass at exactly the right time so you will know that he did it. He is wonderful.
Ed's aunt and uncle sold their home and opened the City Mission in Kingsport, TN. One day Ed was there when they had no food. They all sat down at the picnic table on the enclosed back porch and thanked the Lord for the food they were about to eat anyway. At that very moment, someone came up the walk from the back alley with an armload of food. Ed KNOWS that the Lord provides. So do I. The Lord feeds the sparrows, and we are worth many sparrows.
I have a split tooth. I had been to the dentist twice. He would not pull it, but wanted to put a crown on it--totally out of the question for someone going through bankrupcy. After I had had an aching jaw for over a year, Ed called SCAN/HMO about it. They said they arranged for the destruction of the tooth. I was to call and make an appointment. The nurse said she was waiting for a call from the AMA. Of course, I have heard nothing since. One day, we were driving near our house. I spotted a billboard that had a picture of Jesus and said, "Ask and ye will receive." I said in my mind, "OK, that my jaw won't hurt. In Jesus' name, Amen." The tooth does not bother me anymore. I can even endure hot and cold liquids. That was impossible before. I don't chew on that side, only brush it in one direction so as not to open the split and am fine. Thank you, Lord. In Jesus' Name, Amen.
Among other things, won't it be nice to have all our illnesses taken away at the time of the Rapture? Ya hoo! What a day that will be. The Lord may have to help us stand all that joy.
Incoming Email i've seen these numbers poping up for over a year , the other day my 6 year old ask me to hang a picture in his room when i looked at the picture it was a football team picture when I was 12. Guess what my number on my jersy was 44. I've asked God for the answer I know he is coming is soon. Do these numbers mean anything. I've read your site for over a year now God Bless!
My reply I don't know. I think 4 represents the Earth. According to Josephus, the lamps of the candlestick represented Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Earth's # is 4. Saturn's # is 7.
One thing does come to mind, the scripture that says, "O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD" (Jer. 22:29). That is very appropriate for our days.
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