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Jean Kincaid (13 Mar)
"Meaning of 5759"

Dear John,

Some months ago I sent a request for anyone who understood Hebrew to tell us what the year 5759 (1999) meant since 5758 (1998) meant "the season of Noah". Until today I had not seen a translation.

This is a quote from a message from David Heischman forwarded by Jim Bramlett:

"The year 1998 or 5758 in The Hebrew Calendar was called TASHNIT, or a translation in Hebrew of 'In the days or time of Noah'

The year 1999 or 5759 means 'The Year Of Redemption And Salvation.'"

Thanks, David Heischman

God bless,
Jean
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Thanks, Jean. This is very interesting. I believe 1998 has to do with the Year of Redemption. There are two instances of this:

(1) Aaron's Breastplate says:

"1998 -- and the year of my redeemed is come." JESUS

(2) Psalm 98 which corresponds to 1998, has a lot to say about Redemption and Salvation.

5759 started in September 1998.

John

My reply

Thanks a million.

I emailed Jean Kincaid

> (1) Aaron's Breastplate says:
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> "1998 -- and the year of my redeemed is come." JESUS

How does Aaron's Breastplate say this? Do you know?

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I think that John gets "The year of our redemption" from 1998 by writing 1998 in Hebrew numbers (letters) without first converting 1998 to the Hebrew year 5758. We all know that the numeric value for 5758 converts to letters that mean "The season of Noah". I just went through quite a few of the 5 Doves postings at John's site and found John's original posting about this on Oct. 5, 1998 with adding the numeric values of the names of the stones on Aaron's breastplate.

David Heischman states that 5759 means "time of redemption and salvation". In the posting below John Tng says that 814 means "The year of my redemption is come." Maybe John or Clay would expand on all of this further if asked.

(I'm sending) you a copy of the email from Clay Cantrell in which he adds multiplies the numeric values in both Hebrew and Greek for "Eve" and arrives at 5759.
Love, Jean --- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~spirit5/Oct98/tng105.htm: John Tng (5 Oct)
"1998 : The Year of Our Redemption?"

I read somewhere recently the gematria of this Hebrew phrase, "And my year of redemption is come" is 814. My jaw almost dropped! If this is confirmed true, (could Bill or someone confirm this?), then there is a good chance 1998 is our year of redemption. Why do I say this? Recall the 12 stones on Aaron's Breastpiece (it was Clay who first brought this to my attention).

30.....466....259
7.......570....54
95.....830....501
331...395....162
The bottom row adds to 888, the Greek gematria for JESUS. The 9 stones above JESUS can be divided into 6 stones on the left, with a sum of 1998, and 3 stones on the right, with a sum of 814. Hence, the Jews (Hebrew:814), the Gentiles (Greek:888) and the Church of God (A.D. 1998) seem to proclaim the year of our salvation.

The 3 numbers form a meaningful proclamation!

"And my year of redemption is come"
What year? Answer: 1998
Who is coming to redeem? Answer: JESUS

Let us hope this is the right interpretation.

The "444" phenomenon may also point to 1998.

1998 x 1998 = 444 x 8991
1998 = Gematria of first 5 words of Ge 1:1 (Alpha)
8991 = One possible gematria of Re 22:21 (Omega)

Maranatha, John

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FWD from Jean Kincaid: Re: 5759
clay cantrell wrote:

> jean -
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> greetings in Jesus -
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> Eve is the Bride.
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> Eve roster nubers (numbers) are:
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> hebrew = 2332
> greek = 2096
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> multiply:
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> 2332 x 2096 = 4887872
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> recombine:
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> 4887872 = 4887 + 872 = 5759
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> 5759 = Eve's Salvation?
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> in Jesus -
> clay
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From: Jean Kincaid, To: claycan@bellsouth.net, CC: mjagee@kiwi.net...

Clay,
WOW! That is exciting! Thanks for sharing. I'm thrilled beyond words to see the relationship and to consider what it means for us, the Bride of Christ.

Your ability with numbers simply astounds me. It takes an anointing even to conceive the ideas in the first place. Who would have thought of multiplying the two numbers together besides you?

These numbers you have crunched all of this time MUST be relevant. To come up with the answers you and others derive is just too unusual to have happened by chance. That underscores the wisdom, power and glory of God. He is, after all, in control, even when our intellects are too feeble to understand.

May God bless you and continue to use you.
In Christ Jesus, Jean
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Re: roster numbers (kincaid)
Dear Marilyn,
I told you that Clay Cantrell had taken the numeric value of the name "Eve" to arrive at 5759. Instead, on re-reading his email, he has taken the ROSTER numbers of the name "Eve" in the concordance in both Hebrew and Greek to arrive at 5759. He has done quite a bit of research and calculations with the roster numbers since he believes that God directed their development.
Love, Jean

My reply

Hi Jean: I appreciate your going to all this trouble to help me understand this. From what Clay Cantrell told me before, he often figures using the numbers of the words in Strong's Concordance. Love, Marilyn

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> From: (Charles Ryalls, 2/22/99 2:22 PM)
Greeting Marilyn, I have not spoken with you in a while. I see you have been busy as usual. I would like to post the folowing message to your P and C if you would not mind. Thank you in advance. He is coming soon, Charles Ryalls

***From Marilyn: Dear Charles; I consider you a friend. We agree on things that count. We both love the Lord and know that he is truly coming soon. We both know that we are living in the end of the age. I want to remain friends in spite of some differences of opinion.

***I have told you privately how some of our viewpoints differ. Since you believe the right things about Christ, I have not wanted to answer you publically, but you keep asking to have it put on my Pro and Cons. So, reluctantly, I will answer and post this. I apologize for not getting it posted last time. What you sent was so long that I could not get it answered in time and the date passed to which it referred. Keep in mind that I am limited in space available too. I'll hit that limit again soon.

> I wanted to share this message which I think is very important, because it is a topic that has caused much division in the body. That subject is your favorite, the Rapture of the Church. Please bear with me for just one moment and I promise you, it will be worth your while.

> The Book of Revelation is a series of visions. It should be seen as several views of the same events, occurring at the same time, but from slightly different perspectives. But they all tell the same story with almost identical detail, much in the same way as the four Gospel accounts, which tell the same story but with slightly different details. Trying to read the Revelation as a sequence of chronological events has caused people to see the Rapture as occurring at different places in that sequence, but in truth they are all in the same place in time, Just before the final Judement, or the wrath of God!

> Each section should be read as a single account of the same events, of the Tribulation.

***Respectfully, Charles, in my opinion, you do not fully understand the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ. However, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. Understanding Revelation is not a prerequisite to getting into Heaven. Accepting Christ is.

***When he is to be revealed to our eyes is at the Rapture. At that time, we will see him as he appears in the Preview of the Rapture in chapter one. Proof: he is seen that way in the messages to the churches when the Rapture is at hand. To the church of Ephesus, he is "he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks" (2:1). That is present tense. Christ IS at the moment depicted as being in the midst of those he has just caught up to be with him in Heaven. The rest of the message goes back to just before the Rapture snaps them up. It warns them to "repent, and do the first works; OR ELSE I will come unto thee QUICKLY, and will remove thy candlestick (church, 1:20) out of HIS PLACE" (Heaven, Jn. 14:2,3) (Rev. 2:5).

***Revelation is similar to a movie. Christ wrote the script and is the producer. Like our movie producers, he starts with a quick clip, a Preview of coming events, to catch your attention. In the Preview in chapter one, Christ is seen in glory standing in Heaven with the churches all around him. In his right hand he has seven stars, which are the star performers of the seven churches. He has just caught up the Bride of Christ. They are in Heaven with him.

***He speaks to them with authority, explaining, "I am Alpha (Lord of the Old Testament) and Omega (Lord of the New Testament), the beginning (YHVH, king of Israel) and the ending (YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6), saith the Lord, which IS (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), THE ALMIGHTY" (1:8).

***The whole book of Revelation is written as if the Rapture is at hand. It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture. Rev. 2:5 says, "or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." Verse 16 says, "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." Rev. 3:11 says to the Philadelphians, "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." To the Philadelphians, for whom he has no words of condemnation, he says that he has set before them the "open door" (3:8). The Rapture is "at hand." Heaven's door has just opened. The judge stands at the door. He is about to say, "Come up hither" (4:1).

***Revelation is written to warn us that we should repent, for the Rapture is about to take place. It also gives us a view of what is to come "hereafter" (4:1). We see the heavenly scene right after Christ says, "Come up hither" (4:1). Then the Tribulation is shown so those left behind will know what they are facing and what to do and not do during that awful time.

> The Seals seem to be directed to those who are watching for the Lord, the Believers, and shows what they are to experience in the tribulation.

***And the overcomers that are taken up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are seen in Heaven in Rev. 4 and 5, BEFORE the first seal is broken in Rev. 6. Therefore, only those Laodicean foolish virgins will need to know what the seals say.

> The Trumpets are about the presently unsaved world and what their experience will be. Many of these will become believers during the Tribulation.

***Every believer will be in Heaven before the seven trumpets sound. The first rank, the Bride of Christ, is caught up in 4:1 before the Tribulation begins in 6:1. The last rank, the rest of the Body of Christ, is caught up between the breaking of the sixth (6:12) and seventh seals (8:1). We see them in Heaven in 7:14 before the Seven judgment trumpets start to sound in chapter 8.

***The first rank is the group seen in Heaven in 5:9: "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." The last rank is the group seen in Heaven in 7:14. They are the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" of 7:9. Both groups are in Heaven before the seventh seal is broken in 8:1, before the seven trumpets are even given to the seven angels to sound in 8:2.

***The Pre-Wrath Rapture is when "the great day of his wrath is come" (6:17), but before the trumpet judgments are cast on Earth, starting in chapter 8.

> Chapters 12 through 14 are an overview of the history of the Jews, the war between God and Satan and how the first fruits of the remnant of Israel will be saved and involved in the Tribulation.

***Rev. 12 starts in the middle of the Tribulation and runs for 1260 days. Rev. 13 starts at the beginning of the Tribulation and runs for 2300 days (Dan. 8:14). Rev. 14 takes place all on the 2300th day, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

***First on the agenda of that Feast of Trumpets in Heaven is the Coronation of Christ. To witness that, all his saints are gathered together. Those who were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture are gathered from one end of Heaven to the other. The Tribulation saints are gathered from one end of the Earth to the other. This is the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

***Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

***Next on the agenda of that day like no other is the Marriage of the Lamb. Following that is the Judgment Seat of Christ. After that is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. All this takes place in Heaven.

***When the Judgment Seat of Christ convenes, the newly crowned King of kings and Lord of lords sits in judgment. As the judge is being seated, there is silence both in Heaven and on Earth. Rev. 8:1 says, "when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Hab. 2:20 says, "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

***Out of the seventh seal come the seven trumpet judgments. They are directed at unbelievers on Earth. All sound on one day, the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium.

***As the seventh trumpet sounds, we get a summary of events of the day. Rev. 11:15-19 says, "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord (YHVH king of Israel), and of his Christ (YHVH of hosts, Isa. 44:6); and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats (lit.,thrones), fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (the Second Advent is still 7 months in the future, Ezek. 39:12); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Ezek. 38), and thy wrath is come (the trumpet judgments), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

***By Rev. 14:16, all the Tribulation saints are caught up to Heaven. By Rev. 14:20, the unbelievers are cast "into the great winepress of the wrath of God."

> The bowls are about what those in the Kingdom of Antichrist will experience.

> Each one of these tell the same story in the same order with almost exact detail. Each of these can also be compared to Isaiah 24 through 26, the small Apocalypse. It too is the same. You will see segments of this same story in various old testament scriptures, such as Joel, and Zechariah, each time the same. And in each one of these the believers are removed just before the wrath of God and the final Judgements against the Kingdom of Antichrist and the Battle of Armageddon. In each account the believers, all of them, are there all the way through the tribulation, but their experiences are different according to how close or connected they are to the Antichrist system.

***The Pre-Trib Rapture saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9.10. They are the elders plus people "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." They are made "kings and priests" (5:10).

***The Pre-Wrath Rapture saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. They are the great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (7:9). They are "before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple" (7:15).

***If we repent as Jesus told us to do, we have a chance to be in the first rank. We go when the first ASSEMBLY trump of God sounds. If we don't repent, we are in danger of having to go through the shortened Tribulation and go when the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:52 sounds.

***The assembly trumpets are the two silver trumpets of Num. 10:2-4, not the judgment trumpets of Rev. 8. Nu. 10:4 says, "if they blow but with ONE trumpet (i.e., the first trump), then the princes (elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee." This is the Pre-Trib Rapture. The elders are seen in Heaven in Rev. 4:4.

***"And when they shall blow with them (both, plural), ALL the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door." This is the time of the "last trump," the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

***This is on the first day of the Millennium. "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. When the first assembly trump sounds, the elders and Bride of Christ are gathered from Heaven. When the last assembly trump sounds, the Tribulation saints are called up from the Earth. They are gathered for the Coronation of Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords on the Feast of Trumpets. After Christ is given dominion over Earth, the Marriage of the Lamb takes place. Following that is the Judgment Seat of Christ. Believers in heaven receive their rewards at the same time that unbelievers on Earth receive their just rewards, the seven trumpet judgments.

> The closer you are the worse your experience will be. Those who are trusting fully in the Lord and are fully separated from the Antichrist system seem to suffer very little of these plagues. This is reflected also in the letters to the seven churches.

> All of the accounts can be synchronized by the single celestial event, the darkening of the Sun and Moon, and the terrestrial event of the worst earthquake that has every happened on the earth. They are all lock step after this and agree also with the Olivet Discourse, Daniel, Isaiah and all the rest.

> When viewing these scriptures this way, it becomes clear that the Church is going to be here for the tribulation but not for the wrath of God, (the destruction of Babylon and Armageddon). The church will return with the Lord at that final battle. Viewing it this way you will see also that the statements often viewed as being connected to the Rapture are really about this very time and event. First and Second Thessalonians. First Corinthians 15:51 First Peter 1:5-7. All the rest say the same thing. The same that the Lord said, in Matthew 24:31 "and then he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

***How do you think this elect group got in Heaven so that they could be gathered when one assembly trumpet sounds on the 2300th day of the Tribulation? They got there in Rev. 4:1, when the Lord said, "Come up hither."

> Also in this way of viewing the word, one does not need to squint and the scriptures to try and find a second meaning to what is plainly written. Everything is right up front. And the Gospel is the same for every Christian ever saved by the blood. No special deals for certain groups living at certain times or for members of certain ethnic groups. One Lord, One church, One body, One Gospel, one Salvation, the same for all, Christ all and in all.

***Eph. 4:4,5 says, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism." All are called to the "blessed hope." However, not all make it in the first Rapture. Those "that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14). They are those that, like the Philadelphians, have no condemnation mentioned against them. They go through the "open door" of Rev. 3:8 when it opens in Rev. 4:1. The rest, like the Laodiceans, are rebuked and left behind for chastening (Rev. 3:19). They are told to repent. They get on the stick and repent, for we see them in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. By that time, they "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God."

> I ask you to look for yourself at these things. Sit down and read the words for yourself in this way and see how it all fits together. Forget for a moment anything that I have ever told you or that anyone else has told you. Read it like it is the first time. Read with the eyes of a child.

> This is very important, because there is a very real probability that the 70th week of Daniel began in October of 1998 and we are very likely to see some astounding changes in the world in the weeks and months ahead.

***The Seventieth Week of Daniel cannot begin until a SEVEN-YEAR covenent is signed by the Beast (Tribulation Pope, who is elected head of the World Government) and the False Prophet. It will have something to do with starting sacrifices at the temple in Jerusalem.

***I think the Oslo Accords, signed Sept. 13, 1993 and ratified in Israel three days later, on Tishri 1, 5754, kicked off the seven good years and the seven bad years. It is amazing that Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 + 7 = Sept. 13, 2007, and Tishri 1, 5754 + 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. This is, I think, the Day of God's Wrath on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

***When in Egypt, Joseph took up the grain in the seven good years. We are wheat. Therefore, I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture to take place before the seven good years are up in 2000. The Tribulation will begin, I think, on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. There are 2300 days (Dan. 8:14) from that Feast of Weeks, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, to the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 2007. That count is not true in any other set of years before the 40 years of the last generation are over.

> Are we prepared to enter this time of woe and to live by faith, trusting the Lord for our daily needs and our very lives ? It will be that faith alone which will keep us connected to the rock of stability which is Yeshua.

***Sorry, I am not preparing to enter this time of woe. I have a "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13). I want to be part of the Bride of Christ. I want to be a wise Philadelphian virgin with enough oil in my vessel with my lamp to go with the Lord when he comes the first time. Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS (the Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The word for escape is EKPHEUGO, "escape OUT OF or AWAY FROM." We get our word EXIT from the prefix, "EK." Strong's gives "vanish" as an alternate meaning for EKPHEUGO. From ESCAPE to VANISH, not the slightest hint of "survive through."

> I know this is not the kind of message you like to hear, but I ask you from the very depths of my soul to consider this simple exercise in study. If you need help, you can refer to the article "The Rapture and the Second Coming" on Yeshua the King, where I have arranged much of this in parallel fashion to make it easier to see. You may also Email me with questions.

***I'll ask you some now. What is your "blessed hope"? What is "the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (Phil. 3:14) that Paul was working for so he would not be a "castaway" (I Cor. 9:27)?

> May God Bless, Shalom...In His Name, And Awaiting His Return,
> Charles Ryalls, Yeshua the King, http://www.yeshuatheking.org

***Shalom and Agape, Marilyn

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FWD: Easter Cookies: Teaching kids a bit more about Easter than just the Easter Bunny

EASTER STORY COOKIES
To be made the evening before Easter

you need:
1 c. Whole pecans
1 tsp. vinegar
3 egg whites
pinch salt
1 c. Sugar
zipper baggie
Wooden spoon
tape
Bible

Preheat oven to 300 degrees Fahrenheit.

Place pecans in zipper baggie and let children beat them with the wooden spoon to break into small pieces. Explain that after Jesus was arrested, He was beaten by the Roman soldiers. Read John 19:1-3.

Let each child smell the vinegar. Put 1 tsp. vinegar into mixing bowl. Explain that when Jesus was thirsty on the cross he was given vinegar to drink. Read John 19:28-30.

Add egg whites to vinegar. Eggs represent life. Explain that Jesus gave His life to give us life. Read John 10:10-11.

Sprinkle a little salt into each child's hand. Let them taste it and brush the rest into the bowl. Explain that this represents the salty tears shed by Jesus' followers, and the bitterness of our own sin. Read Luke 23:27.

So far the ingredients are not very appetizing.
Add 1c. sugar. Explain that the sweetest part of the story is that Jesus died because He loves us. He wants us to know and belong to Him. Read Ps. 34:8 and John 3:16.

Beat with a mixer on high speed for 12 to 15 minutes until stiff peaks are formed. Explain that the color white represents the purity in God's eyes of those whose sins have been cleansed by Jesus. Read Isa. 1:18 and John 3:1-3.

Fold in broken nuts. Drop by teaspoons onto wax paper covered cookie sheet. Explain that each mound represents the rocky tomb where Jesus' body was laid. Read Matt. 27:57-60.

Put the cookie sheet in the oven, close the door and turn the oven OFF.

Give each child a piece of tape and seal the oven door. Explain that Jesus' tomb was sealed. Read Matt. 27:65-66.

GO TO BED! Explain that they may feel sad to leave the cookies in the oven overnight. Jesus' followers were in despair when the tomb was sealed. Read John 16:20 and 22.

On Easter morning, open the oven and give everyone a cookie. Notice the cracked surface and take a bite. The cookies are hollow! On the first Easter Jesus' followers were amazed to find the tomb open and empty. Read Matt. 28:1-9

My reply

How nice to hear from you. Thanks for the recipe. We'll try it out with the grandkids.

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