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Note: In the northern hemisphere, if you want to see Saturn. Look within one hour after sunset March 19. Have Orion toward the left of your viewing area, and look over to the right, toward the west. Venus is so bright, it is bound to get your attention. The fainter planet nearby is Saturn, the farthest out of the "naked-eye" planets. This is about as bright as Saturn gets. Hope you get a good viewing night. The two planets were pretty close together tonight. Here in California, we have clouds on the way in the forecast for a couple of days, so I made sure I saw it tonight with clear skies.

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Valerie Skrzyniak wrote:
When you get a chance see the article posted on the 5 Doves Site,"Sky Blue 21 Yeshua 21" by John Tng, Mar. 16th. When I read it a mild electrical tingling sensation surged through my whole body; I don't know WHY?

You may want to post it on your P & C...It is an interesting perspective and insight on this number, and it looks like May 21, just might very well be the Rapture.

I pray you are all well, if not, I pray to the Lord for a speedy recovery, so that you might continue your wonderful work for God until Jesus Comes.

Come Lord Jesus Come Soon, Let the Bride and the Spirit say Come! Marantha! In His Love, Valerie
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John Tng (16 Mar): "Sky Blue 21 & Yeshua 21"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar99/tng316a.htm

These two visions by Valerie Skrzyniak and Eddie Tan respectively are intriguing. Why 21? Why "sky blue"? Why Yeshua? I want to show these two visions are somehow related to "5-21". Whether this indicates something significant this coming May 21st I don't know. I don't want to get you all excited again only to disappoint you. Anyway, below are for your consideration.

YESHUA 21

On page 1 of Yacov Rambsel's book, "YESHUA", under chapter one titled, "Yeshua in the First Word", he wrote these first words:

>>In Genesis, B'raisheet, the first verse, we see Yeshua as the Creator of all things. "In the beginning G-d created the heavens and the earth." In the very first word, b'raisheet, starting with the first yod, counting every 521st letter, spells, Yeshua yahkol, which means, Yeshua is able (to have power).<<

I was very intrigued by this number, 521, when I first read the above. The first ELS that contains the code with Yeshua in it, is, 521. Surely it is significant.

Sky Blue 21

Next, let us look at the other puzzle -- "Sky Blue 21". "Sky Blue" is an obvious symbol of the rapture. "Blue" is the 5th color of the rainbow. Hence,

"Sky Blue 21" >> Rapture at 5-21 ???

[I believe blue is the color of the Holy Spirit.]

Noah's Ark
Both visions could be linked to Noah's Ark.

Yeshua 21 = 386 + 21 = 407 = ARK
Sky Blue 21 = 5th color of the RAINBOW
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Maybe it's just my imagination...

Maranatha, John

P.S. The 99th prime number is 521.

My reply

Thanks. This is interesting.

> When I read it a mild electrical tingling sensation surged through my whole body;
> I don't know WHY?

Valerie, I think this is the sensation I call a rush. It causes the hair to stand up on my arms, even felt on my head too. I get it when I learn something new. There have been times that I was talking to someone else about the Bible and both of us got the same sensation at the same time. One time in particular that I can remember was at a trade show. Both the vendor and I got this feeling repeatedly as I shared some of the information about the end times.

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FWD: Re: 21: From: clay cantrell

i'll think about that 21 number.

21 x 21 x 21 = 9261 = 92 + 61 = 153 (John 21:11)

in Jesus - clay
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Clay
Thank you so much for the above information is interesting that the total = 153 (John 21:11), Simon Peter went up and dragged the net to land, full of large fish, one hundred and fifty three; and although there were so many the net was not broken.

Fish reminds me of the day Friday! Marilyn Agee may be right on this time, Friday, May #21, 1999. "Sky Blue #21" Keep Looking up Jesus is coming soon. Maranatha, In HIS LOVE

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I know you are terribly busy but I felt led of the Lord to send you this attachment on the "Ten Virgins". It is from a WEDGe posting I did last year. I think it agrees with your articles on the same subject with maybe a little different light on a few points. I respect your opinion and would be interested in any comments.

"I have prayed and studied much on this parable because of its timeliness in todays events. This doesn't mean I'm right on any or all prospects, but I have reached a point of understanding that the Holy Spirit gives me inner peace about and agrees with other scriptures in a, I believe, God inspired way.

Having said all of that let me humbly make the following points which I believe about the parable:

Point #1 Matthew 25:1 "The kingdom of heaven is LIKENED unto ten virgins..." It is likened and can not be related in all aspects although it can be in many. Only the Holy Spirit can ultimately guide us in this.I believe the ten virgins represent the Church. Notice they are all VIRGINS.

Point #2 Matthew 25:1 "which took their lamps" The lamps represent the Word of God. You know - thy word is a light unto my path and lamp unto my feet. All christians have His Word, howbeit in different degrees of revelation.

Point #3 Matthew 25:1 The bridgegroom is the Lord Jesus Christ of course.

Point #4 Matthew 25:2 Wise virgins represent those that are on fire for God to which the Lord says in Rev. 2:10 "SInce you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial (7 year tribulation period) that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth."

Point #5 Matthew 25:2 about God to which the Lord says in Rev. 3:16 "So because you are lukewarm - neither hot or cold I am about to spit you out of my mouth." ie.. go through the tribulation. These are some of those in Rev. 7:14 says "these are those who have come out of great tribulation."

Point #6 Matthew 25:8 "And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and BUY for yourselves." The oil represents the Holy Spirit. While all christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit we are not perfect vessels (ie. we leak!!!) We must read the Word an prayerfully stay in His presense to stay filled. We must ABIDE in the Vine. Only God can give us this. If it was something the wise could give to the foolish surely they would wouldn't they. To these foolish virgins the Lord says in Rev. 14:18 "I counsel you to BUY from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see."

Point #7 Matthew 25:10-12 "And while they went to BUY, (buying gold from God refined in the fire of tribulation per Rev. 14:18) the bridegroom came and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage; and door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins saying Lord Lord open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you I know you not." Notice He didn't say I NEVER knew you. But these christians being foolish haven't maintained an intimate relationship with the Lord and therefore are shut out of the Wedding of the Lamb and go through the tribulation. The Lord is not going to have a bride that doesn't want to be intimate. That's why we are told to watch and pray that we might be found worthy ie.. as wise virgins."

I hope this blesses you if but in a small way. God Bless

My reply

1. I agree. All the virgins are the Church.

2. > The lamps represent the Word of God.

I think the lamp here represents the spirit kindled to life by Christ. At the moment of Salvation, Christ baptizes believers with the Spirit of Christ/Spirit of God/Holy Spirit. All the virgins had lighted lamps, even though some were sputtering and literally GOING out, but were not completely out. II Sam. 22:29 says, "thou art my lamp, O LORD."

3. Yes, the Bridegroom is Christ.

4. I think the wise virgins represent those that have enough of the Spirit of Christ to be chosen as the Bride.

5. I agree. Foolish Virgins represent those that are lukewarm. You probably can't tell that they are Christians by the way they lead their lives. They are not zealous (Rev. 3:19).

6. Yes, the oil represents the Holy Spirit.

7. > Notice He didn't say I NEVER knew you. But these christians being foolish haven't
> maintained an intimate relationship with the Lord and therefore are shut out of the
> Wedding of the Lamb and go through the tribulation.

I agree, except that I think they only go through the shortened Tribulation, which may be what you mean.

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Sounds like you are still hanging in there no matter the struggle. Hope that tooth stays healthy until you can have it taken out. How is Ed's mother?
I just wanted to ask you about the 1335 days or 45 days between 1290 and 1335. Why would Daniel be told "Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 days." What are they waiting for? What days are these in a "last days" prophetic application?

Blessing to you, husband and son! Also to all those who write to encourage you.

My reply

You bet I'm hanging in there. That is the name of the game right now. (We are all holding our own right now--healthwise.)

Those day counts in Dan. 12 are for the time of the end. All are counted from the middle of the Tribulation. The 1260 finish the seven years that end Satan's dominion. As I understand it, the Judgment of the Nations convenes as soon as those days end. Dominion is taken from Satan and people of all nations are divided into "sheep" and "goats" (Mt. 25:32f). The 1290 days seem to add 30 days for the "sheep" to mourn the "goats." The Israelites are to be put back on the Earth, unless like Abraham, etc., they have chosen Heaven (Heb. 11:15,16), and they will have the land given to them by tribes. Daniel will literally stand in his lot at the end of the 1335 days.

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Jim Bramlett wrote:
Maybe someone knows more about this than I, which isn't much. But it seems like 2-3 years ago I heard on a Chuck Missler tape where he said that at one time, around 700 B.C., the planet Mars came very close to Earth, affecting Earth's orbit. This is supposed to be the explanation as to why the ancient Hebrews observed a 360-day year and we now have a 365.25-day year

Someone sent me a scientific book, "Catastrophism and the Old Testament," by Donald Wesley Pattern, who also wrote "The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch." It is hard reading, but Pattern says there were various occasions in ancient times where the orbits of Mars and Earth brought them extremely close to one another, and in 701 B.C. within only 15,000 miles, which caused the calendar change. At that time, Mars would have briefly been 125 times the size of the moon in the sky. As further evidence, he describes 360-day calendars in 13 different cultures before that, including Arabia, Assyria, Babylonia, China, Egypt, Japan, and others.

If this is true, I wonder what it does to the accuracy of all our ancient dating which is based on the uniformitarianism assumption that things have never changed?

If anyone wants the above book, it and similar scientific/biblical books are available Pacific Meredith Publishing Co, 13540 39th Ave. N.E., Seattle, Washington 98125, telephone 206-365-1640. The above book is listed at $19.95.

Does anyone have any reliable information that would confirm or refute the above hypothesis?

Jim

My reply

Sounds like Velikovsky's ideas. I personally do not buy it. The Lord said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven (lit. heavens) to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Gen. 1:14). He said, "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease" (Gen. 8:22). He gave early man a calendar to go by. Gen. 7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up." All this suggests to me that time was regular. The Flood was in 1656 AH (BC 2387), long before 701 B.C.
There were 150 days (Gen. 8:3) from Cheshvan 17 (Gen. 7:11) to Nisan 17 (Gen. 8:4). Counted by inclusive reckoning and as a modern "Full" Jewish year of 355 days, they would be:

Cheshvan 14 days left out of 30
Kislev 30 days
Teveth 29 days
Shevat 30 days
Adar 29 days
Nisan 17 days
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Total 149 days

The 150 days of Noah's day is so close to that period in the present day Jewish "Full" year of 355 days that I can't see the number of days in a year being changed from 360 to 365.25 in BC 701.
I really don't think there is any such thing as a 360-day prophetic year. The 1260 days in Rev. being 42 months does not prove to me that every month was 30 days. I just made a spreadsheet using the Jewish calendar and not using inclusive reckoning. From Sivan 6, 5761 (the Feast of Weeks that I think starts the Seventieth Week of Daniel) to Cheshvan 24, 5765 is 1260 days. It is also 42 months. This is, I think, the first half of the Tribulation. I think it is when the Beast reigns and Moses and Elijah prophesy.

Notice that Rev. 11:2 lists this period as 42 months. Verse 3 lists it as 1260 days. At the beginning of these days, the Gentile Beast can go into the "court which is without the temple" (Rev. 11:2). In Rev. 13:5, we see that "power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." I think this is to show us that Moses and Elijah start their ministry at the beginning of the Tribulation. At the end of that time, the False Prophet of Israel will take the reins of the World Government and the World Church away from the Beast.

The second 1260-day period starts with Cheshvan 25, 5765 and ends with Nisan 16, 5768 (the Feast of Firstfruits). I think this is the last day that Satan has dominion over Earth. I think Christ takes dominion from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations on the next day. That is when Armageddon breaks out.

Notice that the second 1260-day period is nowhere said to be 42 months. Rev. 12:6 says, "And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." Verse 14 called this period "a time, and times, and half a time" (3 1/2 years). No months are mentioned.

Look at Dan. 12:7, "it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished." No months are mentioned. Why? Because there are 43 months in the second set of 1260 days. God is very careful how he words things.

The "time, and times, and half a time" seems to be a rough estimate. From Cheshvan 25, 5765 to Cheshvan 25, 5766 is one year--to Cheshvan 25, 5767 is two years--to Cheshvan 25, 5768 is three years. From there on, we count six months. We have Kislev, Teveth, Shevat, Adar, Adar II and Nisan, ending on Nisan 16.

Now, the 2520-day Tribulation may need to be counted by inclusive reckoning. If so, the mid-point will be Cheshvan 23, 5766 and the 2520 days will end on Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The shortened Tribulation is for the elect's sake or no flesh would be saved (Mt. 24:22). I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture is on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) just before the Wrath of God hits Earth. The 2300 days end on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), counted by inclusive reckoning. For seven months the Jews bury the dead before he Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. Those months are Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Adar II.

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Thanks. Excellent analysis. You may be right.

Jim

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FWD: WARNING GIVEN TO PALESTINIANS BY ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER
This sounds urgent and important, I (the forwarder) would like to pass it on to everyone.
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"Associated Press reported yesterday (March 14) that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu warned Palestinians Sunday that if the Palestinians declare statehood in May as they have been saying and claim any part of Jerusalem as their capital, Israel will respond "very forcefully." In a speech, he was quoted as saying to the Palestinians, "If you violate the agreement and unilaterally declare a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, know that on May 5, we will respond very forcefully. It won't be good for Palestinians, and it won't be good for peace." He did not specify what actions Israel would take, however."
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Keep looking up, we are getting closer and closer to the Rapture as events unfold. In HIS LOVE

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Ran across your site. Is it wrong to be scared? I believe in Christ, and feel I won't die of old age, but I am lost. Any wonderful words to calm the heart? Also, what happens if you miss the date? Thanks for the ear.

My reply

It isn't wrong to be scared, but something is amiss. You say you believe in Christ, but are lost. Those two things don't really go together well. If you are unsure if you are saved, pray and tell the Lord that you accept Christ as your own personal Saviour. Then you can be sure, and if you mean it, you never have to do it but once. Christ will baptize you with his Holy Spirit. He will live in you and bring you peace.

When you have faith, Salvation, Christ in you, you can make it through anything. Want help? Go to R.B. Thieme, Jr. Bible Ministries: http://www.berachah.org/. Find his booklet "Faith-Rest." You can get it at no charge if you like. People donate to his ministry as the Holy Spirit leads them. Read it and then get back to me. It did a lot for me long ago, and I think it will for you.

Don't worry about the date. I missed before, I can miss again. I'm human. That is not important. Your love for the Lord is what is important. Your eternal destiny in Heaven, be it sooner or later, that is what is important. Get that all straightened out as soon as possible in case we don't have much time. Then rest in Him and just keep watching.

Read the instruction book he gave you. The New Testament tells you how to walk the Christian walk one step at a time. Christ will bless you as you read and walk. HE HAS GIVEN US A CHANCE AT SOMETHING SO WONDERFUL, SO EXCITING, IT IS HARD TO CONTAIN MY JOY AT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. He is so great, and we are as nothing in comparison, it is such a wonderful thing to think he would want us to be in Heaven with him. I can hardly wait, but he said to be patient. He will reward our patience.

I didn't mean to capitalize the above. It just came out that way. That happens sometimes.

In His abundant love

His reply

Ma'am, thank you for the time, I will do that. God Bless

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From: GoneBy (14 Mar): GoneBy4299@aol.com

"THE BRIDE'S MIKVEH"

...Song of Solomon 2:...

"Arise, my darling, my beautiful one, and come with me (associated with "Come up hither" ).

11 See! The winter is past (Nisan 1 is the first month of the Jewish Sacred Calendar and commences Spring); the rains are over and gone (This could be a reference to the Great outpouring of the Ruach Hakodesh See Joel 2:23 and Psalm 72:6 et al below).

12 Flowers appear on the earth (Another indicator of early spring); the season of singing has come, the cooing of doves is heard in our land.

13 The fig tree forms its early fruit (Green Figs); the blossoming vines spread their fragrance.

Arise, come, my darling; my beautiful one, come with me." (Express how Yeshua feels about His bride at the time of rapture).

The above certainly indicates Spring; which seems to preclude the rapture from happening on a Fall Harvest Feast. We note also that the rapture is highly likely to occur in the jubilee year (5759 or 1999 on the Gregorian calendar; 1949 being the first reginal year of the modern era plus 50 = 1999). We also note that in a jubilee year, the Fall Feast days are shifted. The Jubilee year is the only Hebrew year that starts on the tenth day of the month (Yom Kippur-the sixth Biblical Feast) See Ezekiel 40:1): "in the beginning of the year [which is supposed to be Rosh HaShanah], on the tenth day of the month." The jubilee year is unique in that the Fall Feasts are displaced from their normal times.

The Feasts which occur in the Spring are Passover (Nisan 14), Feast of Unleaven Bread (Nisan 15), Feast of Firstfruits (Nisan 16) and Shavuot (Pentecost, Sivan 6). The time of Green Figs eliminates Shavuot (Pentecost) as it comes in very late spring. Examine Revelation 14: 14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. In Rev. 14:15 we see that the rapture will be on a Biblical harvest day.

My reply

I agree that the Rapture will probably be on a Biblical harvest day. This limits us to TWO feasts, Firstfruits (barley, Christ) and Pentecost, "the feast of harvest," (wheat, Church). Tabernacles, "the feast of ingathering," (Israel) was held "when thou hast gathered (past tense) in thy labours out of the field" (Ex. 23:16).

The Former and Latter rains being in Tishri and Nisan seem to rule out Firstfruits and Tabernacles, which are in those Jewish months. This leaves us Pentecost.

> The time of Green Figs eliminates Shavuot (Pentecost) as it comes in very late spring.

I don't think Pentecost can be eliminated. Mark 11:11 says of Nisan 10, "the time of figs WAS NOT YET." The Lord put that in there to show us that the time of green figs was not six days later at the Feast of Firstfruits, Nisan 16. It was later, Sivan 6, Pentecost.

> We also note that in a jubilee year, the Fall Feast days are shifted. The Jubilee year
> is the only Hebrew year that starts on the tenth day of the month (Yom Kippur-the sixth
> Biblical Feast) See Ezekiel 40:1): "in the beginning of the year [which is supposed to
> be Rosh HaShanah], on the tenth day of the month." The jubilee year is unique in that
> the Fall Feasts are displaced from their normal times.

I don't think the Fall Feasts are displaced in the Jubilee Year. I think the Jubilee Year was ANNOUNCED on the Day of Atonement of the 49th year. Then the Jubilee was the 50th year. It began the following Nisan 1, first day of the Sacred Year. Remember, when they came out of Egypt, Nisan was made the beginning of months to them.

Lev. 25:8-11 says, "seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month (seventh of the Sacred Year), in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year....A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you."

Ezek. 40:1 says, "IN the five an twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year (Nisan), in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither." This has nothing to do with the Jubilee.

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I am a little confused. In my study of the Scriptures, I have never found that Eve was taken from Adam on Friday. Could you explain to me which verses led you to this conclusion? Thanks and God bless

My reply

God rested on Saturday. "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gen. 2:2,3).

He created Adam and Eve on the sixth day, Friday. "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them....And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Gen. 1:27,31).

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In studying the types and shadows of Joseph to Jesus, is it possible to know when Jesus is "revealed" to Israel fulfilling Ezekiel 39:24-29, Isaiah 51:17-22, Zechariah 12:10? possibly....

Gen 45:1-3 Then Joseph could no longer control himself before all his attendants, and he cried out, "Have everyone leave my presence!" So there was no one with Joseph when he made himself known to his brothers. And he wept so loudly that the Egyptians heard him... Joseph said to his brothers, "I am Joseph!... his brothers were not able to answer him, because they were terrified at his presence.
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Gen 45:4-8 Then Joseph (Jesus) said to his brothers, "Come close to me." When they had done so, he said, "I am your brother Joseph (Jesus), the one you sold into Egypt (crucified)! And now, do not be distressed and do not be angry with yourselves for selling me here, because it was to save lives that God sent me ahead of you. For two years now there has been famine in the land, and for the next five years there will not be plowing and reaping. But God sent me ahead of you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and to save your lives by a great deliverance. So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God..."

IF...the seven good years started with the Oslo Accords in 1993, then the second year of the seven bad years is --- 2002. I am curious how this fits, if at all, into your timeline of events --- especially since you also use the 7 years of plenty / 7 years of famine typology. Of course, the reference to "second year of the famine" could also play into your recent posts on "second year" -- I guess you could say we are in our "second year" of famine now (in looking for the Lord).

My reply

> is it possible to know when Jesus is "revealed" to Israel fulfilling Ezekiel
> 39:24-29, Isaiah 51:17-22, Zechariah 12:10?

In Ezek. 39:22,24, we understand that from the day of the catastrophe on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the Lord says, "Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from THAT DAY and forward...According to their uncleanness...have I done unto them, and HID MY FACE from them." On THAT DAY, the Sign of the Son of man is seen in the sky (Mt. 24:30). Ezek. 38:23 says, "I will be known in the EYES OF MANY NATIONS, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Zech. 12:10,11 says of THAT DAY, "they shall LOOK UPON ME whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn...In THAT DAY shall there be a great mourning." It is the day of the breaking of the sixth seal. In Rev. 6:16,17, they say "to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the FACE of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

> For two years now there has been famine in the land, and for the next
> five years there will not be plowing and reaping.

When Moses and Elijah come to prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation, they have the power to prevent rain, as Elijah did for 3 1/2 years in OT days. This will cause famine and could easily parallel the famine in Joseph's day. It would be during the Tribulation and would not apply now.

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