Pro and Con 292
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Incoming Email (from Finland) The latest PC 291 is very convincing. It has in it many topics that I would assume may open the eyes of many people. I intend to send it to a few persons.
It is really interesting to see if there is going to be a tribulation for 10 days, and a 7 day warning this May.
My reply I am so glad Pastor Riley sent me his newsletter. Job 7:1 and Ex. 21:2 are so revealing. He didn't see what they really mean, that Avi Ben Mordechai is right about the Rapture being in the 6001st year, but it was enough to trigger my brain to see it. If man's days are "like the days of a hireling" (Job. 7:1), and "six years shall he serve: and IN THE SEVENTH he shall go out free" (Ex. 21:2), the 6000 years had to be completed. Only then shall we "go out free." It looks like the 6000 years were completed Sept. 21, 1998, just eight months before Pentecost, May 21, 1999. To me, it all makes sense. The Transfiguration was "AFTER six days" in Mt. 17:1. Peter, James and John represented us when Jesus "bringeth them UP into an high mountain APART" (i.e., another planet, apart from Earth).
In 5758, which means "the SEASON of Noah," it was as if we figuratively entered the Ark. For Noah, it was the 600th year. For us it was the 6000th. Noah stayed in the Ark. So must we. If we get out, we will not "Go forth" at the end of about one solar year. Noah went forth when 601. We will, I believe, "Go forth" in the 6001st year. After Noah went forth in his 601st year, he saw the rainbow. After we go forth in the 6001st year, we will see the "rainbow" that surrounds Heaven. God called it "MY BOW" (Gen. 9:13). Ezek. 1:28 says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about.. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."
I can't help thinking of the glory Ed and I saw the day we were at the end of the most beautiful rainbow of our lives, on Jan. 26, 1999. Such a wonder. It must have been a sign that God has not forgotten his covenant with us. If this is anything like what we are going to see, we have a treat coming from that alone. Every rain streak danced with sparkling color. It splashed over everything around, the air, the road, the cars in front of us. It is not something you could ever forget.
This one more year seems to be planned to prove whether we are a wise or a foolish virgin, a "wise servant" or an "evil servant," (Mt. 24:45,48). The wise gives "them meat in DUE SEASON." The evil says in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming..." I think it is a test, and as in Noah's day, it should last about one solar year.
This seems to be "the TRIAL OF YOUR FAITH, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory AT THE APPEARING of Jesus Christ (at the Rapture): Whom having NOT SEEN, ye love; in whom, THOUGH NOW YE SEE HIM NOT, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving THE END of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come UNTO YOU: SEARCHING WHAT, OR WHAT MANNER OF TIME THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM DID SIGNIFY...unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you...Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the REVELATION of Jesus Christ" (he will be revealed to us at the Rapture) (I Peter 1:7-13).
I Peter 2:18-21 says, "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward....if when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God....Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps."
Everything fits Mt. 25:1-10. It says, "THEN ('in due SEASON,' Mt. 24:45, which started in 5758, 'the SEASON of Noah') shall the kingdom of HEAVEN be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom." That fits last Pentecost. "And five of them were wise, and five were foolish." That fits the Philadelphians and Laodiceans. "They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil (extra supply of the Holy Spirit) with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels (bodies) with their lamps (the earnest of the Holy Spirit that seals us). While the bridegroom (Christ) TARRIED, they all slumbered and slept. And at MIDNIGHT there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; GO YE (as the "Go forth" in Noah's day) out to meet him. Then all those virgins AROSE, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out (lit., going out). But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom (Christ) CAME; and they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."
We have to be "READY." If not, "The lord of that SERVANT will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers" (during the Tribulation, which will be shortened (Mt. 24:22) for that elect's sake) (Lu. 13:46).
The messages to the seven churches are what Jesus has to say to us today, when the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). We had better read them carefully and take heed. Right away, we see the seriousness of not having agape love. In Rev. 2:4,5, Jesus says, "I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; OR ELSE I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."
Paul warned, "though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing" (I Cor. 13:3, New Scofield Reference Bible). The Old English "charity" of the KJV is not as meaningful if we do not realize that the Greek is "agape," God's love. One of the attributes of God is love, and if we have Him in our hearts, we have agape love. We are wise virgins. No wonder I Thess. 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit."
We "should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious APPEARING of THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from ALL INIQUITY, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, ZEALOUS of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee" (Titus 2:12-15).
The Laodiceans think they have it made, but they are so lukewarm that they will be spewed out of his mouth (Rev. 3:16). They are not zealous. As a final warning in Rev. 3:19, Jesus says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and CHASTEN: be ZEALOUS therefore, and repent." We must not be stubborn and let it go so far that we deserve a spanking to bring us to our senses.
If there was ever a time to pay attention, now is the time. The worst seven years since there was a nation "shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3:10). The Lord has given us a chance to "escape all these things," but we have to "be accounted worthy" (Lu. 21:36). We are told to "be filled with the Spirit" (Eph. 5:18).
Incoming Email Thanks for being there (here) Marilyn, your tenacity offers me hope. God bless
My reply Great. We have so much to hope for. I John 3:2,3 says, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure."
Someone awhile back said that she felt like she entered the Ark last year. I think she hit the nail square on the head. It looks like figuratively, we all did. We are just waiting for the command, "Go forth."
Incoming Email Today I have stumbled on to your web page and began to read. I have always been fascinated, even as a child with the end times. However, I have not read anything on your web page or in the correspondence regarding the passage where Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour, not even the son. Only the father. He goes on to say that we can tell by the seasons. This I have to commend you on. I have never seen a study so intensely done! Jesus compares the rapture to a wedding. In Jewish tradition; once a couple is betrothed the groom goes to prepare a place until his father feels enough preparation is done and gives permission for the groom to go get his bride. Until that moment the groom does not know when his father will give permission.
FYI: on May 7, 1999 the PLO and Israel will meet to discuss and finalize the fate of Jerusalem.
My reply > no one knows the day nor the hour
I have answered this many times. Mt. 24 ends with "The lord of that servant (the evil one) shall come in a DAY when he looketh NOT for him and in an HOUR that he is not aware of. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." If the ones that are not aware of the hour are to be cut off, doesn't that suggest that there are ones that are aware of the hour?
The companion passage in Lu. 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unfaithful and unwise one) will come in a DAY when he looketh not for him, and at an HOUR when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers" (the shortened Tribulation).
Here it is evident that the wise servant will be looking for Him on a DAY that he is aware of, and in an HOUR that he is aware of. It is the evil servant that is not aware of the day or hour. In the parable of the ten virgins, it is the foolish ones that are told, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the DAY nor the HOUR wherein the Son of man cometh" (Mt. 25:13). The wise "were ready" (v. 10) even though they slumbered and slept while they waited.
In that parable, all ten virgins went forth to meet the Bridegroom at one time. That might have indicated last Pentecost. Then the Bridegroom "tarried," probably as "the trial of your faith" (I Pet. 1:7), to separate the wise from the foolish. This tarrying may match in time the 12 months that Queen Esther was purified before being taken to the king (Esth. 2:12). The Hebrew engagement period was 1 year to prove the bride was a virgin. It fits. Now, we are patiently waiting for His return, hoping that it will be this Pentecost, but if not, we will stay strong and be patient. Patience will be rewarded. Rev. 3:10,11 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my PATIENCE, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: HOLD THAT FAST WHICH THOU HAST, that no man take thy crown."
In Rev. 3:3, Jesus warns the churches, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what HOUR I will come upon thee." However, if we do watch, he will NOT come on us as a thief, and we shall KNOW what HOUR he will come on us.
This helps us understand Mt. 24:36: "But of that DAY and HOUR knoweth (present tense) no man." On that day, no man knew. However, Jesus did not say that no man would ever know.
All the clues are in the Bible. Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS."
Lu. 8:17 says, "Nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."
Isa. 28:9 says, "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." The church is old now and can understand what the baby church could not. She can now have strong meat. In Dan. 12:4, we see that in the time of the end, "knowledge shall be increased." Verse 10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise SHALL understand." Isn't this talking about the wise virgins?
John addresses the last generation in I John 2:18f. He says, "Little children, it is the last time...But ye have an unction (annointing) from the Holy One, and ye know ALL THINGS."
> Until that moment the groom does not know when his father will give permission.
Jesus Christ is different from an earthly man. He is the Lord from Heaven. He is the Creator. He and the Father are One. He made the Plan of Time, and he knows when everything will be. He worded things very carefully. He said that no man knew. He was not just a man. As Jesus the son of Mary, he did not know, but as God, he knew. He just did not want people to search for the time before the Sign of the End of the Age appeared. That is why he told us so many times to "Watch." Once we recognized the Sign of the End of the Age, we could figure out when end-time events would take place. The rest of the clues were in Scripture.
Incoming Email Mr. Agee, Let me first of all commend you on your effort to study the Word of God. There are many Christians today who are content to believe what they hear without studying out the Word for themselves. It takes guts to dig into the Word and find the Truth that lies in it. From what I've read of your web page, it would seem that you have studied long and hard concerning the end time and other things. I have a few questions for you. If you don't mind, could you help me understand you position concerning some things? First of all, I don't believe that salvation can be found in organizations or denominations. Salvation must be a intimate relationship with Christ, I'm sure you'll agree. However, when I read your account of salvation, you seem to be contradicting yourself. When the man from Sweden asked whether or not you thought Jesus was God, you told him that Jesus was the Son of God, however, all of the scriptures you listed prove that Jesus was in fact God robed in flesh. My question to you is: Do you believe that Jesus Christ was God wrapped in flesh living among men? or Do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God? It is my belief that Jesus is in fact God. If you agree with my position, forgive the illustration, but I've heard this little story and it makes quite a lot of sense. Let's assume you are a father (I don't know anything about you, so bear with me), and your house catches on fire. You manage to get your wife and son out of the burning house. When you look around, you notice that your daughter is missing. You're daughter is the apple of your eye. She is your firstborn and she bears your namesake. Out of deep love and concern for her life, you send your only son into the flames to rescue her. Now honestly sir, do you really think you would send your son to do the work of a father? I should hope your answer would be "no". God robed himself in flesh and dwelt among men that he might save them Himself. Now, doesn't that sound like something a loving Father would do? I'm really interested in hearing your opinion. I suggest you reread your dialogue with the man from Sweden and actually READ what those scriptures say. Thank you for your attention and time.
My reply > I don't believe that salvation can be found in organizations or
> denominations. Salvation must be a intimate relationship with Christ
That is right. We must each accept Jesus Christ as our own personal Saviour. Salvation does not take place because we belong to a certain denomination, because we go to church each week, because we have been baptized as babies, or any such thing. We have to exercise our wills and make a definite decision to accept Christ.
Rom. 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
> Do you believe that Jesus Christ was God wrapped in flesh living among men? or Do you
> believe that Jesus was the Son of God? It is my belief that Jesus is in fact God.
I believe both. It isn't an either/or situation. Jesus Christ is unique. He has two natures, man and God. As to his human body and human nature, he is the Son of God, born of a virgin. As to his deity, he is Yahweh himself. "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).
Isa. 9:6 says, "For unto us a child is born (his human nature inherited from his mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, the Prince of Peace."
Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning (Lord of the Old Testament) AND the end (Lord of the New Testament), the first (YHVH the King of Israel) AND the last" (YHVH of hosts) (Rev. 22:13).
Here is what Christopher (who later accepted Christ) said:
"Hi, my name is Christopher and as i was surfing through the desolate web i found your pages which i found of intrest, there are some things that i am not really clear about though, the first is that many Christians say that Jesus Christ is the Lord our GOD, this i cant agree with because i have learned that Jesus is the SON of GOD.How can something be both the SON of GOD and GOD at the same time?"
Here is what I said:
"John 6:42 says, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph (no, he was not the son of Joseph, but the Son of God), whose father and mother we know: how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?"
"II Cor. 5:18 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."
"John 20:28 says, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
"John 1:1-3,14 says, "IN the beginning was the Word (i.e., Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
"John 10:30,38 says, "I and my Father are one....the Father is in me, and I in him."
"Heb. 1:1-3 says, GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (lit. in) his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."
"I Cor. 15:47 says, "the second man is the Lord from heaven."
"I Cor. 2:7,8 says, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the LORD OF GLORY."
"In John 8:23-29, Jesus said, "I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins....They understood not that he spake to them of the Father...I am he...And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone."
Mt. 1:20 says, "that (His human body) which is conceived in her (Mary) is of the Holy Ghost." This human body is literally the Son of God. Mt. 2:15 says, "Out of Egypt have I called MY SON." Mt. 3:17 says, "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased."
Christ pre-existed. From the beginning, He was always the one that dealt with man. In Isa. 48:16-18, He said, "Come ye near unto ME, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent ME. Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am the LORD (YHVH) thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea." The LORD (YHVH) at Sinai was the pre-existant Christ.
Ex. 19:3-7 says, "And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD (YHVH) called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. Now therefore, If ye will obey MY VOICE indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for ALL THE EARTH IS MINE: And ye shall be unto me a kindom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD (YHVH) commanded him."
Israel as a whole did not pay attention to to what His "VOICE" said. Then, He came in a human body, something they could see as he spoke. Surely now they would listen, but even today, national Israel still does not pay attention. Therefore, the Gentiles have had their chance, and Israel will yet turn to him in the day of desperate trouble on the first day of the Millennium. Therefore, Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the whole world. He offers us a free gift of Salvation, but we have to reach out and take it.
Of course, YHVH of hosts planned all this before the world began. Until the blood of Jesus Christ was shed, there could be no real redemption. The OT saints were saved because they believed that the Messiah would come, just as we are saved because we believe that he came.
Heb. 9:8-16,22 explains: "the first tabernacle...was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that COULD NOT make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them UNTIL the time of reformation....Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US....he is the mediator of the NEW TESTAMENT, that redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament (Old Testament), they which are called might RECEIVE the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator....without shedding of blood is no remission."
Death came upon the world by the sin of one man, Adam. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God ever since. Because man deserves death because of sin, only the death of a sinless man, the Son of God, could atone for the sins of the whole world.
"The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven....And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly" (I Cor. 15:47,49).
It was necessary that YHVH of hosts take on flesh and blood. That is the only way the perfect one could shed blood. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" (Jn. 1:14).
Man makes out his Last Will and Testament. If he desires to change it, he can make out a second Last Will and Testament. Upon his death, the latter will be the one in effect. The Lord did something similar. He set forth a covenant in His Old Testament. Then he set forth a new covenant in His New Testament. At his death, the latter took effect.
By his perfect sacrifice for sin, once for all, Christ took sin out of the way in Salvation. Now, it is "What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?" (Mt. 22:42).
What would you answer?
The Pharisees answered, "The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD (YHVH) said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?" (Mt. 22:43-45).
The correct answer to Mt. 22:42's question is that Christ is the Son of God.
John 3:16-18 says, For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD."
The Lord Jesus Christ is both God and the Son of God, both Lord and Christ. "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON" (II John 9).
We "are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life" (I Jn. 5:20).
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