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Jim Bramlett wrote:
Last night I spoke with author and Bible/Bible codes expert Bonnie Gaunt. She believes "the third day" of the prophetic verse Hosea 6:2 begins on Rosh Hashanah 1999 (September11), the end of man's six millennial days and the second millennial day since the birth of Christ.

She did a Bible code search in Genesis to see if the phrase "third day" would appear. It appeared only one time, at a no-skip distance, in Genesis 40:20, where it also appears in the plain text.

What is interesting is that in that same verse, the following words were also found in the code, in some cases overlapping each other: Shiloh, rapture, ransomed, went up (three times),bride, coming, and return.

There was a strong overlap betweem third day, Shiloh, rapture and ransomed.

My reply

I think the 6000th year ended last Sept. 21 (Tishri 1, 5759), and that we are now in the 6001st year. This tallies with Noah being 600 when he entered the Ark and 601 when the Lord said, "Go forth."

The words "coming," "rapture," "bride," "went up" and "return" all seem to fit this May 21st especially well. I think the Church Age started BC 3 and ended last Sept. 21. We are now in the third day since this age began.

For more on the third day and the eight months between Sept. 21, 1998 and May 21, 1999, see my new Home Page I UL last night.

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I pray this finds you and your family well. I highly respect your opinion and feel God has given you a wonderful gift of understanding His Word. If you remember, I emailed you previously about earthquakes, bones, cremation and the Rapture. Thank you for your clear, prompt response. You indicated that the condition of the bones has nothing to do with the rising from the dead at the Rapture and that there is no evidence of an earthquake at the Rapture. If you have time, I would like to hear your interpretation of the Hebrews 12:22-29. I've read it over and over in various versions but the Today's English Version really gives a clearer version to me. I just wonder about its correctness of translation and if it refers to the Rapture. My questions are in parentheses.

"Instead, you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, with its thousands of angels. You have come to the joyful gathering of God's firstborn sons, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, who is the judge of all mankind, and to the spirits of good people made perfect. You have come to Jesus, who arranged the new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that promises much better things than does the blood of Abel. (Does this sound like the firstfruits Rapture has just happened and this is what we "have come to"?)

Be careful, then and do not refuse to hear him who speaks. Those (Foolish virgins?) who refused to hear the one who gave the divine message on earth did not escape. How much less shall we escape, then, if we turn away from the one who speaks from heaven? (Are these verses referring to the "Come up hither"?)

His voice shook the earth at that time, but now he has promised, "I will ONCE MORE shake not only the earth but heaven as well." The words "once more" plainly show that the created things will be SHAKEN AND REMOVED, so that the things that cannot be shaken will remain. Let us be thankful, then, because we receive a kingdom that cannot be shaken. Let us be grateful and worship God in a way that will please him, with reverence and fear; because our God is indeed a destroying fire."

(I'm wondering if you think based on the above, there will be an earthquake when the "dead in Christ rise first" as there was an earthquake at the Crucifixion when the graves were opened. If that is possible, is it likely to happen 40 days before the Rapture as it happened 40 days before the Ascension? Forty days prior to May 21 is Sunday, April 11, one week after Easter. I don't know if that means anything.)

Whether or not this is a tiny piece of the puzzle, I know the truly important part to the verses is "Let us be grateful and worship God in a way that will please him" so that we may be found watching and worthy, whenever, however it happens. It is so near, Come Lord Jesus.

My reply

We are well. Ed got a good report from his doctor yesterday. We did not take Dave's cold.

Thanks for such kind remarks. The Lord deserves the credit, not me. I'm trying hard to understand, but without his help, I could do nothing.

> Hebrews 12:22-29....I just wonder...if it refers to the Rapture....Does this sound
> like the firstfruits Rapture has just happened and this is what we "have come to"?

You bet. We have just arrived at the general assembly in Heaven.

> Be careful, then and do not refuse to hear him who speaks. Those (Foolish virgins?)
> who refused to hear the one who gave the divine message on earth did not escape. How
> much less shall we escape, then, if we turn away from the one who speaks from heaven?
> (Are these verses referring to the "Come up hither"?)

Yes. but the ones who refused him before this time were the Israelites in the wilderness.

> (I'm wondering if you think based on the above, there will be an earthquake when the
> "dead in Christ rise first" as there was an earthquake at the Crucifixion when the
> graves were opened. If that is possible, is it likely to happen 40 days before the
> Rapture as it happened 40 days before the Ascension? Forty days prior to May 21 is
> Sunday, April 11, one week after Easter. I don't know if that means anything.)

There was an earthquake at the Crucifixion. An earthquake follows the ascension of Moses and Elijah Mid-Trib. Therefore, it is possible at the Rapture. However, remember that Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to sift him as wheat? We are figuratively being shaken in a sieve now. "And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken...that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved" (Heb. 12:26-28, KJV).

The foolish Laodicean virgins are removed from the sieve. The wise Philadelphian virgins cannot be shaken in their faith, even though tossed and turned every way possible. They remain steadfast and receive a kingdom. Rev. 5:10 says that he "hast made us unto our God kings and priests." Christ is King of kings. His Bride shares in His kingdom.

Forty days before the Ascension was Resurrection Day, not Crucifixion Day.

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FWD: John Tng: Re: "5-21"
I believe the Rapture date is not just any date. It must be a very auspicious day. I now believe May 21st is a very good candidate (something major may happen from Passover onwards). Please consider the following:

1. The First YESHUA Code with ELS 521
On page 1 of Yacov Rambsel's book, "YESHUA", under chapter one titled, "Yeshua in the First Word", he wrote these first words:
>> In Genesis, B'raisheet, the first verse, we see Yeshua as the Creator of all things. "In the beginning G-d created the heavens and the earth." In the very first word, b'raisheet, starting with the first yod, counting every 521st letter, spells, Yeshua yahkol, which means, Yeshua is able (to have power).<<

2. YHWH
5-21 is hidden in our LORD's ineffable name -- YHWH. The gematria of YHWH is as follows:
yod = 10
heh = 5
vav = 6
heh = 5
First 3 letters = 10+5+6 = 21 (Clay's 1056)
The 4th letter = 5
Total Gematria = 26
3. I AM THAT I AM
The gematria for "I AM THAT I AM" is 21.
I AM THAT I AM = Aleph, heh, yod, heh = 1+5+10+5 = 21
(Tony MacCormack)
The letter heh (5) has the following meanings (Yacov Rambsel):
REVELATION, WORD, PROMISE, SPIRIT, WIND
--words associated with PENTECOST!
Another way of looking at YHWH is:
YHWH = I AM THAT I AM + 5
YHWH = 21 + 5 (5-21-99 is Pentecost)
4. Genesis 1:1
First 5 Words = 21 Letters (5-21)
The gematria of the first 5 words
= 913 + 203 + 86 + 401 + 395
= 1998
The 5th Word is HEAVEN.
5. Books of the New Testament
5 Books + 21 Letters + Revelation
6. The Meaning of 5-21
The meaning of 5-21 is summed up in the last scripture -- Re 22:21.
"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
YHWH = 26 (5+21)
GRACE = 5
BRIDE = 21
AMEN = 99 (Gematria)
521 is the 99th prime number.
The number 5 stands for GRACE. This is well-known. I believe the number 21 stands for the Bride of the Lamb. The Bride has the Name of the LORD written on her.
BRIDE = 21 = I AM THAT I AM
"I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
21 is made up of THREE SEVENS. Consider the following:
* 21 = 7+7+7
* 777 = Gematria of "CROSS"
* Jesus mentioned the phrase "SEVEN CHURCHES" THREE times before He sent the 7 letters to the 7 churches. He used the term "SEVEN" SEVEN TIMES before He spoke to the 7 churches.
* NEW JERUSALEM is only mentioned twice in Scripture -- once quoted above, and once in Revelation 21. Revelation 21 is about New Jerusalem -- prepared AS A BRIDE (21).
7. John -- the Bride
JOHN (Jahhn) is the Greek form of Hebrew name meaning, "Yahweh has been gracious." In other words, John is associated with GRACE.
The word BRIDE = 5 times in N.T.
1 time in Gospel of John (First Book by John)
4 times in Revelation (FIFTH Book by John)
Hence, we have
John (5) = the Bride (21) (Bride 5 times)
Jesus said John would be "raptured" in John 21, i.e. 5-21.
[Aside: The math associated with the meaning of JOHN -- "Yahweh has been gracious", is interesting.
YHWH = 26 = 5-21
GRACE = 5
521 + 5 = 526 = 5-26 = GRACE-YHWH
521 x 5 = 2605 = YHWH-GRACE

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Thanks. This is interesting. This one especially caught my eye:
> First 5 Words = 21 Letters (5-21)

I just rewrote my Home Page. I'm sending a copy of the rewrite to my relatives.

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Re: The greatest escape ever
Even from an historic point of view, it seems very significant that three of the most important events in the history of the world all took place on the same day and month, about 2000 years apart. It would seem to follow that, in that pattern, these were all great escapes. And, in that same pattern, it would seem probable that the Greatest Escape in world history might be on that same day and month.

7th month, l7th day - The Ark rested on Ararat
(escaped the flood waters)

God changed the 7th month
to the lst month before Passover

lst month, l7th day - The Red Sea Crossing
(escaped sea water & slavery)

lst month, l7th day - The Resurrection
(Jesus escapes death and earth)

lst month, l7th day - The Rapture
(the Church escapes earth and the tribulation)
Maybe?

This would be the third great escape day after God changed the calendar, our gentile 3rd day of April, and the Greatest Escape ever! What do you think? Thanks, for considering this, among all the other possibilities.

My reply

If our ESCAPE comes Nisan 17, I'll be delighted, but surprised. It can rain in the month of Nisan. Jesus didn't find any figs on the fig tree during Passion Week, "for the time of figs was not yet" (Mk. 11:13). In Song of Solomon 2:10-14, the Rapture seems to be a time of green figs and firstripe grapes, which come on in late May or early June. It is also after the rain is over and gone.

> 7th month, l7th day - The Ark rested on Ararat
> (escaped the flood waters)

In 30 AD, Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven on Resurrection Day. Ararat means "holy ground." They were resting on HOLY GROUND on the 17th. Psa. 149:5 says, "Let the saints be joyful IN GLORY: let them sing aloud upon their beds."

> God changed the 7th month
> to the lst month before Passover

> lst month, l7th day - The Red Sea Crossing
> (escaped sea water & slavery)

I think this pictured the day of ESCAPE for OT saints--escape to Heaven. The crossing the Red Sea depicted what was to come on Resurrection Day.

Ex. 15:13,17 says, "Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto THY HOLY HABITATION....Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for THEE TO DWELL IN."

"Moses took the bones of Joseph with him" (Ex. 13:19), depicting resurrection as they passed over the sea.

There were three times in the year that Israelites were to go up to Jerusalem, Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. The OT saints were taken to Heaven during the days of Unleavened Bread. I think the Bride of Christ will be taken to Heaven on Pentecost. Tabernacles concerns the earthly remnant that will live on into the Millennium.

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FWD: "James D. Tabor": Subject: Killing Lambs
This happens to be a most fascinating season/week among Jews, Christians, and even Muslims. It just so happens that the Muslim feast of Id al-Adha, the feast of sacrifice, perhaps the most important feast on the Muslim calendar, also falls this week. It happens (on the floating Muslim lunar calendar) to be the climax of the Haj. This means that millions of Muslims, beginning last Shabbat, began to sacrifice their lambs, remembering the scene of Abraham with his son (they say Ishmael not Isaac) on Mt. Moriah, where a ram was offered instead of the beloved son. But for Christians and Jews, Passover (Wednesday evening is the Seder; Thursday the 15th of Nisan and a Shabbat) falls during the same week as the Christian Good Friday-Easter, this coming weekend. This happens from time to time and when it does it calls to mind, for Christians at least, not only on the meaning of the Exodus in the 15th century BCE, and the redemption of ancient Israel from Egypt, but that last week of the life of Jesus, that also centered around the cycle of Passover, and thus connects the followers of Jesus with Passover week as well. I believe that the best historical evidence puts the crucifixion on Thursday afternoon in the year 30 CE, with the traditional Seder eaten by the Pharisees and Sadducees that Thursday night. This means Yeshua ate a memorial meal of some type with his followers on Wednesday night, likely in the Essene Quarter of Jerusalem, or maybe with the Essenes even as early as Tuesday night (as Bargil Pixner, Anne Jaubert and others have proposed).

Even though Jews and Christians do not actually slaughter their lambs (though some eat lamb for Easter it seems; while others eat Ham :-)), so many millions of lambs will be killed this week in Muslim countries that the meat will be eaten three meals a day all week and the excess will have to be canned rather than consumed (there are large meat canning plants near Mecca to handle the overflow this season). So one way or the other, it seems that the Lamb is the animal on the minds billions this season...and this particular week.

Well that is most interesting, not only because of the Torah readings this season (Vayikra & Tzav) focus on the various animal offerings (whole burnt offerings, meal offerings, peace offerings, and sin & guilt offerings, Lev 1-7), but because the central story to all three religions is the scene of Abraham with his son--found in the Hebrew Bible in Genesis 22.

There we find the first use in the Torah of the word "seh" or Lamb, but in a most interesting setting, both in terms of scene and geography. Abraham has gone three days journey to the mountains/hills of Moriah, which is surely to be identified with Jerusalem and likely the Mt. of Olives (2 Chron 3:1). When Isaac (or Ishmael) is not offered at the last moment, we are told that YHVH will see/provide a Lamb--and the place itself is then named: "The Mount where YHVH will see/provide." Some Christians believe that Jesus was indeed crucified on the Mt. of Olives (but certainly outside Jerusalem), at 3pm Thursday afternoon, on the 14th of Nisan, in 30 CE. Thus accounting for his association these past 2000 years with the Passover, despite the pagan Easter assimulations. The next significant use of the same word "seh" is in Exodus 12 for the Passover lamb, which each family was to kill and eat whole in order to escape the final plague in Egypt--the death of the firstborn. The rabbis find various significant links between the scene with Abraham (called the Akidah), and the Exodus sacrifice--that YHVH provides a Lamb for the Firstborn son; who is then saved from death, etc.

Sorting out the details is complex. Is the lamb as offering at Moriah or Passover that of a positive or negative substitute? Some have pointed out that the Egyptians worshipped the Lamb in the Spring, and also the death of the lamb, "outside the camp" "east of Eden" as a kind of "sin offering" carries layered meanings. What does it mean--that YHVH will see/provide a lamb for an offering--and what might that imply in terms of the biblical understanding of the sacrifice of animals for covering ("atonement")? Is the lamb the innocent substitute for the guilty or the rightful symbol of sin, properly put on the head of the guilty, and thus freeing the life of the innocent son, who is to be the heir? The mystery of Moriah remains with us, a kind of mystery of the Ages it seems. These various traditions are so diverse, even within their separate communities, but it struck me as somehow worthy of note that more than two billion people on this planet, in one way or the other, follow Abrahamic traditions that focus this week, in this particular year of 1999, on a slaughtered lamb.

Chag Sameach, James Tabor

My reply

Thanks. This is most interesting.

> believe that Jesus was indeed crucified on the Mt. of Olives (but certainly
> outside Jerusalem), at 3pm Thursday afternoon, on the 14th of Nisan, in 30 CE.

I think Jesus was put on the cross at 9:00 AM, died at 3:00 PM, on Thursday, the 13th of Nisan, in 30 CE/AD. It was the Day of Preparation for the Passover on the 14th.

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hope you and Ed are feeling well. A thought occurred to me this AM which I wanted to share with you. In the 10th chapter of Daniel "a certain man clothed in linen..." appeared to Daniel. He told Daniel that the "prince of the kingdom of Persia.." had withstood him for 21 days, and Michael came to help him. Then, later, he stated that when he went forth "the prince of Grecia shall come." There must have been very great strongholds in these regions. It is interesting that the Gulf War involved the area in ancient Persia, and now the Kosovo conflict is occurring in the area of "Grecia." These areas of the world appear to have great importance in Satan's realm.

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Thanks for sharing this with me. I hadn't thought of it this way.

PS: Ed and I are well, going out to eat to celebrate his 75th birthday in a bit.

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I recently related a dream on the Five Doves site with a study about "chaff" and the belief that a "threshing" of the Church was coming. (See http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar99/cb327.htm). The basic content and theme of the dream was that I dreamed of the scripture "Psalms 1:4" (of which I had no idea what it said beforehand). Well, as I posted that I was a little hesitant to put in such a bold statement (The Threshing is about to Begin ...), but I felt led to just leave it as I had written it. Later, I brought my petitions to the Lord using Jeremiah 32:17 and 33:3. Specifically, I was asking the Lord why do some brethren have such divine, crystal clear words, experiences or dreams while others, like me, seem only to have symbolic dreams that require some "extracting" at best? I was asking the Lord for something special, a confirmation of some sort in any way He chose. I did not specifically ask Him to confirm my earlier "threshing" dream, but that's exactly what He did!

After praying for an answer, I went to bed. The next morning I awoke and realized that I had just dreamed of another bible verse! (and on Passover at that!) I did not have a specific dream with it and could not recall any detail of a dream...(which leads me to believe it was confirming the earlier dream I had been pondering).   I just remember waking up with this verse ringing in my head! Like before, I had no idea what the verse said beforehand, and had to look it up upon waking. This time the bible verse I dreamed was Habakkuk 2:2:

"Then the Lord answered me and said: 'Write the vision and make it plain on the tablets, that he may run who reads it. (3) For the vision is yet for an appointed time; but at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. Though it tarries, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.'"

I was overjoyed that the Lord gave me this special confirmation! It is so reassuring to know that the Lord hears our prayers!

Also, I began to think, "OK, so the Lord has instructed me to get this 'message' out, right?" Well, I decided to see what others have written on threshing / winnowing / chaff and just did a general web search. Lo and behold, what a wonderful article I found entitled, "Preparation for Meeting the Bridegroom" that is very specific and backed up with scripture -- a great "roadmap" that reminds me of your writings. So many things in it lead me to believe that this is a pertinent message to get out to others, including -- and probably most especially -- Christians (the bride-to-be), because the threshing is coming!

Just my thoughts here, but I wonder if an earthly threshing will take place to test the Body of Christ (to see who will be "accounted worthy" to go in the firstfruits rapture)? Could this threshing be applied to the "ye shall have tribulation ten days"? Is this earthly threshing what is commonly known as the "Judgment Seat of Christ" -- since no sin is allowed in heaven?

Whatever the case, we need only remember that if we are properly prepared, our "Kinsman Redeemer" will gather us safely into His barn while the chaff is burned. ***I just noticed this ---- look at the chronology: the "threshing" (testing the Church) takes place BEFORE the wheat / grain is "gathered" into the barn (raptured)! This seems to support an earthly testing and separation of believers before we are raptured, does it not?

The "message" we must get out as to how to "Prepare to meet the Bridegroom" is found at: http://gracenet.com/lamp/PREPTION.HTM I highly recommend everyone read this excellent article in its entirety. It is summarized as follows:

1. (1) "Washing": one time cleansing (first saved) with repeated cleansings through 1 John 1:9;
2. (2) "Annointing with Oil": (being filled with the Holy Spirit) -- [being filled with the Spirit involves absolute trust and faith in the Lord -- see "Faith Rest" from R.B. Theime"];
3. (3) "Adorning with Raiment": being clothed in righteousness (righteous acts brought about through faithfulness [#2]).

Prepare yourselves and help others to, folks. It may be a bumpy ride, but we know our destination!
Until He Comes, Cheryl

My reply

> Could this threshing be applied to the "ye shall have tribulation ten days"?

Yes. Lev. 23:17 says, "Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave-loaves." The wheat involved in this had to be threshed to get the grain. The grain then had to be ground into fine flour.

> Is this earthly threshing what is commonly known as the "Judgment Seat of Christ"

No. That is in Heaven on the first day of the Millennium.

> the "threshing" (testing the Church) takes place BEFORE the wheat / grain is
> "gathered" into the barn (raptured)!  This seems to support an earthly
> testing and separation of believers before we are raptured, does it not?

There is testing and separation of the Philadelphian wise virgins from the Laodicean foolish virgins. I think that has been going on since last Pentecost.

Notice that in Mt. 13:30, the tares are first bound into bundles to be burned later. The world has now been divided by One World planners into ten regions, or bundles. The tares will be burned on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. That is the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation.

You are right that now is when we must prepare ourselves. There will be no time to buy oil when Christ comes for us. He will come quickly (Rev. 2:5; 22:12).

In answer to your post, John wrote:
Thanks, Cheryl. Last July, I had a vivid dream not unlike one of Jeanette Vetters' rapture visions. (see Frank's post at frankm319b.htm) I was in the middle of a vast open field with many many people. Suddenly there was something oozing out of a hole in the field much like lava. I had the impression of something diabolical and I sensed death in the air. People were screaming and running as fast as they could away from the "lava". It was pandemonium. I too was running for my life until I reached a high fence and climbed over it. The strange thing after that was I found myself queuing as though to buy a ticket to watch a movie.
My dream alone was not remarkable. I shared with my family the first thing in the morning. To my great surprise both my children each had a dream too. Rachel dreamed of Sodom and Gomorrah and Japheth dreamed of Noah and his zoo (Japheth was only 4 then).
As a sequel, in January, Rachel dreamed she was in the ark! I wrote the following as an addendum to Deborah's post at jan99/dshah112.htm:

>> Hmmmm..... last Saturday(when I noticed this number -- 2368407), my daughter dreamed that Noah showed her into the Ark and there were many other people in there too! Then she said the Ark went spinning..... She is 7-year old. <<
John

My reply

Believers, both wise and foolish, do have a ticket (the Holy Spirit) to Heaven to watch the destruction and formation of the Lake of Fire going on below on the Earth. Psa. 91:8,9 says, "Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast (past tense) made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy HABITATION."

It seems very significant that RACHEL (which means a sheep) dreamed that she was in the Ark, which represents Christ, our Saviour. At the present time, it is as if we, the sheep of the Good Shepherd, are in the Ark, i.e., in Him, and must stay in the Ark until he says, "Go forth." Spinning reminds me that Elijah was taken up by a whirlwind.

Seven is God's number. The seventh lamp on the candlestick represented Heaven, where we will be taken. According to Josephus, a priest, the lamps represented (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter, and (7) Saturn. Zech. 3:9 (LXX) says, "as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings)." Saturn has seven rings.

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