Pro and Con 30, uploaded 11-5-97
I have just found you on the internet. And what a blessing. I have just been gobbling up all this information. But I'm afraid I haven't had time to digest all of it yet. I love what God is doing for you, thereby blessing those of us who is less educated in the word. I have been seriously studing the Bible for awhile now. But most folks do not want to hear or to see. I teach a small Ladies Bible Study Class in the church also the Ladies Sunday school class. I have had the Sunday School Class about 12 years. The Bible Study about 7 years, And I feel so inadequate, I search the Word and everything I can find that I believe is of the Word, on the internet. I Believe You are truly a witness of the Word.
Now I have a question that I hope you won't feel is too foolish. In reference to "We are the firstfruits" I believe we are a part of the first fruits , but I believe the old Testament saints were Raptured , when Jesus moved Paradise up. Matt. 27: 52,53. Also Matt. 17: 3...As moses and Elias must have been in their glorified bodies... Now I know that Elias was taken up, But, Did He not return ? Matt.11: 14 ?
Please do not misunderstand me.. I am asking , not telling you, I want to be Right and not wrong about the Word of God as a teacher, I don't want to be guilty of ignorantly teaching God's word. But there are so many times , I need teaching. And the Holy Spirit has always come through in one manner or another. He has delivered the word by so many , and I am open to correction, I love correction ! When It is of God. Thank you, and God Bless you (a 62 yr old grandmother)
I'm a 68-year old great grandmother.
> I believe we are a part of the first fruits , but I believe the old Testament saints were
> Raptured , when Jesus moved Paradise up
Paradise was taken to Heaven. However, that was not exactly a Rapture where living saints were taken up like Enoch and Elijah.
(Elijah has not returned except briefly at the Transfiguration. However, he will return and prophesy 1260 days, the first half of the Tribulation. John the Baptist was not Elijah, he only came in the spirit of Elijah.)
Heb. 11:40 says, "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
Like Esther and Ruth, the Bride of Christ is special. She will be chosen at the first Rapture. The rest of the Body of Christ will be taken to Heaven at the second Rapture on the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation.
Thank you for your prompt reply to my Fig Tree question. It was very helpful.
I hope to pick up some of your books on my next trip to Sydney.
I recently read a book by GT Curle "Times of the Signs". I will attach a file summarising one of his time determinations. It deviates from your own. As he is also a kiwi I thought you may know of his work. He produced some interesting time spacing around the Temples, etc. I will attach a Microsoft Word file on the "Times of the Gentiles" to give you a reminder of his approach.
If you have time I would appreciate a quick comment on George.
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I can't open this .doc. I am using a Mac and do not have Word 6.0. If you send it .txt (text only, ASCII) or copy and paste it into the email document, I can read it.
Or, if you give me the complete URL of his file on kiwi.net, I can download it to my computer, read it and get back to you.
i was reading on the road by jack kerouac and found this exerpt. it seemed in all senses to be a true and thoughtful statement. he made an allusion to the laodiceans and i wasn't sure what that was all about so i looked the word up on the internet. i found your page and was wondering if you could give me a little more background on the history or purpose of them.
"Isn't it true that you start your life a sweet child believing in everything under your father's roof? Then comes the day of the Laodiceans, when you know you are miserable and poor and blind and naked, and with the visage of a gruesome, grieving ghost you go shuddering through nightmare life." - Jack Kerouac
if you could help me out i would appreciate it! thanks
God never intended us to "go shuddering through nightmare life" "with the visage of a gruesome, grieving ghost" He has given us plenty of instructions by which we can lead victorious lives and be taken to Heaven before the Tribulation arrives. This is not to say that we will not have tribulations for we are tested by tribulations, but we can have the power to overcome in this life and to gain an eternally better life in Heaven after this time of testing is over. The instructions on the Christian walk are found in the New Testament. We are to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
When we first believe, our past sins are wiped off the books. After that, all known sins must be confessed to God so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). Then we are not quenching the Holy Spirit and are filled and in fellowship with our holy God. Those who are filled are wise virgins or Philadelphians. Those quenching the Holy Spirit are foolish virgins or Laodiceans.
The last book in the Bible, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, is written as if the Rapture, when Christ comes to take us to Heaven, is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). In Revelation 2 and 3, Jesus gives us his messages to the church groups of today. There are seven because the number seven means complete.
In these messages, Jesus goes back, grabs a bit of church history so we can understand what type of church group he is addressing, then stretches it up to the present time. His first message is to young churches, as at Ephesus. It applies to today because he said, "repent...or else I will come unto thee quickly" (Rev. 2:5). He comes quickly at the Rapture (Rev. 22:20). The second is to churches under persecution, as at Smyrna. The third is to churches under Imperial favor, as at Pergamos. The fourth is to churches under the Papacy, as at Thyatira, The fifth is to churches that came out of the Reformation, as at Sardis. The sixth is to churches and individuals in any of the other groups displaying brotherly love and not deserving any condemnation, as at Philadelphia. The seventh is to churches and individuals in any of the other groups that are lukewarm, as at Laodicea.
There will be overcomers out of all seven groups. However, only Philadelphians have the open door set before them (Rev. 3:8). They alone are promised to be kept from the coming Tribulation (Rev. 3:10). It is as if all the overcomers displaying the characteristics of the Philadelphians to whom no condemnation is mentioned are included in this group at the end. They will be the Bride of Christ and be taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. They are the wise virgins filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit.
The promise to them is, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly" (Rev. 3:10,11). The implication here is also that if we have NOT kept the word of his patience, he will NOT keep us from the Tribulation.
Then we come to the message to those who will NOT be kept from the Tribulation, the Laodiceans. Jesus explains why these will be spewed out of the Body of Christ, saying, "thou art neither cold not hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev. 3:15,16). These are believers because they are in Christ and cannot be lost. However to them he says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent." (Rev. 3:19). They face a closed door at the time of the first Rapture (Rev. 3:20). Yet, he promises that "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne" (Rev. 3:21). Heaven is his throne, earth his footstool. These will go to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the 2300th day of the Tribulation with the remainder of the Body of Christ. They are seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. Their Rapture takes place between breaking of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8, when the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth.
I'm not sure how good the material (that he sent me) is. Like mining for gold you can go through a lot of ore that is discarded before you find a nugget or two. And if it is not backed up by the Word it is 'fool's gold'. What I appreciate about your material is that you go back to the Word and strive to rightly divide it.
Have you noticed the similarity between Luke 13 and Matt 25? In Luke 13 and Matt 25 they say "Lord open up for us!". In Matt 25 they are called foolish virgins- saved, doing ok, looking for the return of the Lord but not enough oil in their lamps. They just missed it. In Luke 13 they appear to be another kind of christian- one that is involved in evildoing (hypocrites). The net result is the same though.. You can miss it by an inch or you can miss it by a mile. But to miss it is to miss it.
I have been doing some study on the brides in the OT that have some very interesting application for us today. One of my callings is prayer. Some 4-6 months ago the Lord changed my focus from current events, the government, media etc. to the church and the need for repentance. Then my prayer focused more on revival in the church. Then it settled on the need to be prepared to be the bride of Christ. This was before I ran into your material or anyone else's.
Since then I have had many confirmations from the Lord that this is his absolute priority for the church. This past August John Beckett of Intercessors for America wrote: "Last fall I had the opportunity to participate in one of the most important prayer meetings I've ever attended. Intercessory leaders from over twenty countries gathered in Mexico, attempting to discern God's priorities for these last days. Our conclusion was that He is urging believers to focus in four primary areas:
The Great Commission
The preparation of the Bride
The restoration and redemption of Israel
The Second Coming of the Lord
These major themes are breathtaking in scope and awesome in their implications."
My heart is overwhelmed these days with the sense of His presence and nearness and what is about to take place.
I just finished "The Open Door" and the extra 28 pages Lyn Mise sent you. The nugget that I found that I had not picked up on before is the following:
(Mat 25:5 KJV) While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered (3573) and slept.
This verse has been grossly mistranslated, and the translation is misleading. This parable thus far has provided two antithetical groups of people (i.e., wise and foolish virgins). There is a difference in the reactions between the wise and foolish virgins. The antithesis continues in this verse, but the translators failed to see this. A correct paraphrase of this verse--with the assistance of Spiros Zodhiates in regard to Greek grammar--is as follows:
(Mat 25:5 LMP)"While the Bridegroom tarried in His coming, all of the ten virgins either beckoned
for him to return or they fell asleep."
An accurate, literal word-for-word translation of this verse is as follows:
(Mat 25:5 LMV) While the bridegroom tarried, they all beckoned or slept.
The Greek word that has been translated slumbered literally means to nod in signaling or beckoning for what one desires to be done. The Greek word between slumbered and slept is a copulative or coordinating conjunction that can mean and if it is a continuative copulative, or it can mean or if it is an adversative copulative. It can only be used as an adversative when the thought is sufficiently strong to show from the context that the two words it connects are in opposition with one another. Jesus describes five of the virgins as wise and five as foolish. If this is not sufficient to show the copulative to be adversative, then words can not be trusted as to their meaning. Of course, the copulative is adversative. The five wise virgins are beckoning for Jesus to return, but the five foolish virgins have fallen asleep. This is precisely the situation in the Church today. The Philadelphia church is wide awake signaling, praying, beckoning, pleading for Jesus to return, but the remainder of the Church is fast asleep, and oblivious to the signs of the times.
The following are the Greek words straight out of Strong's and Thayer's lexicons of the Greek language and the meaning of beckon out of the American Heritage Dictionary:
3573 nustazo (noos-tad'-zo); from a presumed derivative of 3506; to nod, i.e. (by implication) to fall asleep; figuratively, to delay: KJV-- slumber.
Strong 3506 neuo (nyoo'-o); apparently a primary verb; to "nod", i.e. (by analogy,) signal: KJV-- beckon. Thayer 3506 neuo- 1) to give a nod 2) to signify by a nod (of what one wishes to be done)
beck-on (bÁk"...n) v. beck-oned, beck-on-ing, beck-ons. --tr. 1. To signal or summon, as by nodding
or waving. 2. To attract because of an inviting or enticing appearance: "a lovely, sunny country that seemed to beckon them on to the Emerald City" (L. Frank Baum). --intr. 1. To make a signaling or summoning gesture. 2. To be inviting or enticing. --beck-on n. A gesture of summons.
sum-mons (s3/4m"...nz) n., pl. sum-mons-es. 1. A call by an authority to appear, come, or do
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Lyn Mise has the first Rapture right, but he puts the second Rapture in the middle of the Tribulation. It is at the end of the shortened Tribulation, when the False Prophet "shall come to his end" and "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" (Dan. 11:45; 12:1).
That time of trouble is the day the "great mountain burning with fire" (Rev. 8:8) falls into the Mediterranean Sea and the "great star ('aster') from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10) sweeps Babylon right off the map.
Lyn has the first Rapture on Pentecost and the second on the Feast of Trumpets, which is correct, but the one on the Feast of Trumpets is on the 2300th day of the Tribulation, not in the middle of it.
Here you can see how he dumps a lot of things into the middle of the Tribulation. Not all of them belong there:
Stage Two-The Rapture, Main Harvest Rapture, Midtribulational Rapture, Prewrath Rapture, Christ
Comes as Lord, Judgment Seat of Christ, Day of Christ, Day of the Lord, Wrath of the Lamb,
Judgments of God, Middle of the Tribulation, Time of Jacob's Trouble, Wrath of God.
The second aspect of the Second Coming takes place in the middle of the tribulation period. It is the time of the Main Harvest Rapture of all of those Christians who were left behind at the Firstfruits Rapture or the Separation.
Anyway, I enjoyed reading his material, and it was worth it to learn the material I quoted first. He also said something about many ministers not giving their flocks the strong meat, so others had to do it. It sure looks like he is right about this one. Thanks very much for sending all of this.
Will those who miss the 1st rapture and go through the Tribulation have an opportunity to be part of the Bride of Christ later. Are the scriptures really clear on that? The following scripture, which is after the 1st and 2nd rapture seems to indicate that they have made themselves ready, either by being prepared in the 1st rapture or by going through the tribulation. If only those who are ready for the 1st rapture are part of the Bride that is very significant and a very serious thing to miss out on for eternity.
Revelation 19:7-8; "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife (believers) has made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints (believers)."
I don't want to be dogmatic on this for there are last that shall be first and first that shall be last. We will each get what we are entitled to. I will just give you my reasons for thinking that only the ones caught up in the first Rapture will be the Bride of Christ.
Paul was running the race to win a prize. I Cor. 9:24f says, "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that stiveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air; But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."
It seems that the prize is to be a part of the first Rapture and win an incorruptible crown. The castaways are the foolish virgins/Laodiceans that go to Heaven in the second Rapture. The one gets a prize that the other one does not.
In Phil. 3:11-14, Paul says, "If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before. I press toward the mark for the prize of the HIGH CALLING of God in Christ Jesus." This seems that the prize is the Rapture, when the Lord says, "Come up hither."
In Rev. 3:11, Jesus tells the Philadelphians, "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take THY CROWN." No crown is mentioned in the message to the Laodiceans. Also, the Philadelphians show love and the Laodiceans are lukewarm. A bridegroom would normally pick a bride that was in love with him, not just lukewarm toward him.
Right after the first Rapture, there are 24 thrones, and upon the thrones 24 elders that represent the entire group of believer priests just caught up, just as the 24 priests in each course on duty at the temple represented the entire group of priests. And they were "clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold" (Rev. 4:4). Nowhere in the account of the Tribulation saint's arrival in Heaven in Rev. 7:9f is there any mention of them receiving crowns.
In Luke 17:26,27, it says,"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage" The following account of the days of Lot omits any mention of marriage.
All the people who were in the Ark were married. Even the animals went in two by two. This is a type of the first Rapture. No fire fell that day.
When Lot came out of Sodom, his wife did not make it, and fire fell that same day. This is a type of the second Rapture.
> In Rev. 19:7-8, it says, "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him:
> for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife (believers) has made
> herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine
> linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of
> saints (believers)." This makes it seem that the Bride has had some time after arriving
> in Heaven to make herself ready as they type of the Bride, Queen Esther, did.
Esther 2:12 says, "Now when every maid's turn was come to go in to king Ahasuerus, after that she had been twelve months, according to the manner of the women, (for so were the days of their purifications accomplished, to wit, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women."
It seems that the Tribulation saints are called to Heaven after the Marriage of the Lamb takes place, just in time for the Judgment Seat of Christ. I think the Coronation of Christ takes place as Tishri 1 begins, at 6:00 P.M., then the Marriage of the Lamb follows. Next on the agenda is the Judgment Seat of Christ and all the saints must be present to receive their rewards, so sometime between the Marriage and dawn Rapture II should take place, certainly before noon, when the asteroid hits Earth, for that is the Wrath of God.
Luke 12:35f says to the second group to be called to Heaven, "Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, WHEN HE WILL RETURN FROM THE WEDDING; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately (see Rev. 3:20). Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them (the Marriage Supper of the Lamb). And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch and find them so, blessed are those servants."
Look at the chronological order of Rev. 18:7f: "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and his wife hath (past tense) made herself ready...And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are CALLED (now, at Rapture II) unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB." Doesn't it seem to you that the Marriage of the Lamb precedes the second calling of the saints? and that this calling is before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and not before the wedding?
Like Vashti, Israel was rejected for awhile as the Bride, and like Esther, the king chooses from among a group of virgins. To me, the wise virgins seem to be the Bride and the foolish virgins, the friends of the Bride. What do you think?
I know that for myself, I don't want to take any chances. I love the Lord with all my heart and do my best to keep filled with the Holy Spirit. I consider being the Bride the best prize and I am running the race determined to win it.
You speak of Esther. The Lord quickened to me the following verses this morning in prayer having to do with the Holy Spirit and the Bride and Esther:
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans: I will come to you.
Esther was an orphan. Mordecai (a type of the Holy Spirit) raised her up. He was the one in the background leading, encouraging, even challenging her to go on. If it was not for Mordecai she would not have made it. If we do not have the Holy Spirit leading, guiding, revealing, challenging us today we will not make it either.
Same with Ruth. She was a widow. If it wasn't for Naomi (a type of the Holy Spirit) leading her back to Bethlehem (the House of Bread) and to her kinsmen, a 'land owner and mighty man of wealth' she would never have been selected as the bride of Boaz.
Same with Rachel. If it wasn't for Abraham's servant selecting her, inviting her and leading her back to Isaac she would not have been the bride of Isaac.
We have all read the same scriptures but it takes the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, to quicken them to us. It takes Him to reveal the state of our hearts. It takes Him to put that passion in us for the Groom. Our relationship with the Holy Spirit is pivotal.
So true. Thanks a lot for teaching me something. I had not noticed that in the margin of my Scofield Bible it has "Or, orphans" instead of "comfortless" in John 14:18. Therefore, I had never made the association with Esther at this point.
It has always been said that there are no signs for the Rapture, and that there are no time calculations within our present church age dispensation--not true!
I think I may have discovered something I never realized and knew before... Like Israel, the church does also have a "TIME CLOCK"--that is ticking away--counting down the remaining time that is left unto the Rapture. Israel's time clock is presently stopped and doesn't resume ticking again until after the Rapture. The church's Time Clock started running its COUNTDOWN at the Sign of the End of the Age in 1967. As of today, November 4, 1997 we now have 209 days left to go until the Rapture! Compare this with the explicitly detailed time calculation that is given for Israel in Daniel 9:24-27, and in Daniel 12:1,6-13. The latter calculations will take Israel from the MIDDLE of Daniel's 70th "Week" unto 75 days into the Millennial Kingdom of God here on planet Earth--when Daniel along with the rest of the Old Testament saints will be resurrected to join in the Kingdom of their Messiah. Knowledge is indeed being increased.
Thanks. I had not thought of the final countdown in terms of "The church's Time Clock."
Also, Noah Troyer's prophecies of another 120 years was given when he was in a coma, yet he stood up 19 times and repeated the same prophecy. That was in 1878, when the first 2 Jewish settlements were set up in Palestine. Noah's experience made the newspapers that year. 1878 + 120 = 1998. This ties in with man being given 120 years in the days of Noah (Gen. 6:3).
Read the End of The Ages LOVED IT.
I am keeping my eyes on the middle east and europe. Where do you think the anti-christ will come from? Will he be a jew? Would the Jews accept a no-jew as the Messiah? Thanks
The first beast of Rev. 13 is probably the Tribulation Pope. He comes out of the sea (nations, Rev. 17:15), but is a Roman (Dan. 7:7). He has control over the world's armaments, but has no armaments of his own. Revelation 6:2 says he is given a bow but no arrows. I think he is elected secretary general of the world government.
The second beast is the False Prophet, the final Antichrist who speaks "as a dragon." He comes out of the land, i.e., eretz Israel. As I see it, he must be Jewish, probably from the tribe of Dan.
There are two sons of perdition, Judas, who betrayed Jesus, and this False Prophet. Both are indwelt by Satan himself, the False Prophet from the middle of the Tribulation when Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven down to Earth. Satan immediately goes to work. He engineers the wounding of the first beast so the second beast can pull off his coup and take over control of the world church and world government. Satan enters into the False Prophet and sits in the temple shewing himself that he is God Mid-Trib. That is a flurry of activity. He knows his time is short.
I came across a point in your web pages on "Possible Rapture in Different Time Zones". I noticed that this didn't state that the Bible says a day ends at sundown and the new day begins at dusk. Shabbat in Israel starts at sundown on Friday and goes until 3 stars are visible in the clear sky on Saturday evening. Since this is how God said the days are (see Genesis chapter 1), I would assume this is how he considers the day of rapture. Therefore, midnight is irrelevant. It should be at sundown on May 30th.
Does that make any sense?
Let me know what you think.
God bless you for all of your work and open attitude toward scripture and beliefs.
The lady that figured those times knows that the Jewish day starts at sundown or 6:00 PM.
There are twelve hours of night and then twelve hours of day. If the night begins at 6:00 PM, the 6th hour of the night is exactly the same as our midnight.
Matthew 25:5,6 says, "While the bridegroom tarried, they all sumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." Midnight, or mid night, may be relevant after all. We will have to wait and see. What we want to do is to be ready and watching, whenever it is.
I have read through many articles and papers on your web site. Very
I am a new Messianic Believer (Christian Gentile who accepts the Biblical Jewish feasts). In the last couple months, my wife and I have done some very in depth study of the Word, including reading "Torah Rediscovered" by Ariel Berkowitz....
1) I have found that the Sabbath IS day 7. Not day 1. It was never intended to be moved to Sunday. This was done due to pressure by the Romans to have the early non-conformist Messianic Jews conform to their worship of the Sun god. Rather than risk being annihilated, the new believers in Yeshua moved worship to Sunday. This is how we got SUNday. God constantly referred to the 7th day as the Sabbath and it would be a sign of his people. "The Lord's Day" is not Sunday, but rather Saturday (Jewish Shabbat).
If you are referring to "The Lord's Day" being only on Pentecost (50 days), then that is another matter.
This is not a salvation issue, but rather obedience to his unchanging Word.
2) I would highly suggest studying the Feasts of the Lord to see how much the Messiah Yeshua is revealed in each.
Sukkot is the Feast of Booths (I know you are familiar with this). Please see at the end of the message for information that I've found in Christ's birth on the first day of Sukkot.
3) I have many questions concerning how you got to 1998 as the year of the first rapture. The chronology is so complicated, that it seems like a year or two mistake is very possible.
4) You also made the statement that it seemed like God started with the 7000 year plan (2000+2000+2000+1000) and then tweaked it a little. I don't believe that is how God works. If the plan was 2000 + 2000 +2000 +1000, then that was it. Human mistakes in chronology and not knowing when God marked the beginning and ending of these 2000 year periods is the problem that makes it appear to miss the mark. I also believe that God was extremely precise in everything, including numbers and dates. We just don't have the whole picture yet. Also, remember, each day is like 1000 years to the Lord (as you have said many times), not 999, 996, 1002, etc. It is 1000 years.
These are just things I see and have questions concerning. Thanks you for your time.
> 1) I have found that the Sabbath IS day 7. Not day 1. It was never
> intended to be moved to Sunday.
The Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday.
>"The Lord's Day" is not Sunday, but rather Saturday
> (Jewish Shabbat).
I think "the Lord's day" of Rev. 1:10 is Sunday. It is not the "Shabbat" but the "kuriake" day, the day of the Lord's resurrection, the first day of the week.
> Christ's birth on the first day of Sukkot
To me, this won't work. Hosea 6:3 says, "he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain begins on Tishri 1, the latter rain on Nisan 1. See "Calendar" in Unger's Bible Dictionary. Therefore, Christ's birthday was on Tishri 1 and he will return on Nisan 1.
Ezekiel 29:17 sets the month and day of the month of his return as Nisan 1: "first month, in the first day of the month" (Ezek. 45:18,21). Then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them: and they shall know that I am the LORD."
Nisan 1 is the first day of both the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year, the Regnal Year because Jesus Christ is King of kings, the Sacred Year because he is Lord of lords.
In Deuteronomy 11:14, the Lord promised, "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, THE FIRST RAIN AND THE LATTER RAIN," and he keeps his promises.
> 3) I have many questions concerning how you got to 1998 as the year of the first
The Sign of the End of the Age was when Israel grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights) in the Six-Day War of 1967 and fulfilled the Fig Tree Parable of Mt. 24:32-34. The last generation was born then. The year 1967 + 40 = 2007, the beginning of the Millennium. Counting 2300 days (Dan. 8:14) backward from the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 shows that the Tribulation/Seventieth Week of Daniel begins on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001. Count backward again the four years of grace given Israel to show fruit--in the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree of Luke 13:6-9--and you arrive at Pentecost in 1998. All Jewish days and years are figured by inclusive reckoning.
The Rapture is, I think, on Pentecost in 1998, modern Israel's Jubilee year. The four years of grace given Israel before she is chopped down by the Tribulation are from Pentecost in 1998, l999, 2000, to Pentecost in 2001. The 2300-day shortened Tribulation ends on Tishri 1, 5768 (our September 13, 2007). Jesus returns the following Nisan 1 (our April 6, 2008, on the anniversary of the Crucifixion on April 6, 30 A.D.
> 4) You also made the statement that it seemed like God started with the
> 7000 year plan (2000+2000+2000+1000) and then tweaked it a little. I
> don't believe that is how God works. If the plan was 2000 + 2000 +2000
> +1000, then that was it.
Eccl. 8:5 says, "a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment." I think "time" is one thing and "judgment" is another.
I believe God inserted the Tribulation judgment so that it could be left out if Israel would only turn to God in time. In De. 28:9, the Lord said, "IF thou shalt keep the commandments." In De. 28:15, he said, "IF thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee."
You see, IF they were to keep the commandments, the Tribulation could be left out, but IF they don't, the Tribulation will take place. And what will happen because they don't? De. 29:23 explains, "that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath." An asteroid strikes Earth in both instances.
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