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Note:Prov. 25:13 says, "As the cold of snow in the time of harvest, so is a faithful messenger to them that send him: for he refresheth the soul of his masters." Big Bear Mtn. got more natural snow in this storm than they got all the rest of the year. Ski resorts have 12-24 inch base, and it is after they normally close. It is to be 18 degrees tonight at Big Bear. The mountains around us are pretty to look at right now. The forcast is for a pretty day tomorrow, then two more days of rain for us. We'll see if that storm brings more snow to the local mountains.

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Charles D Landis wrote:
you keep talking about heaven being located on Saturn. Well, I decided to do some "Bible code" research on Saturn and I have come up with some very amazing facts.

I found "Saturn" encoded 6 times in the Old Testament: Leviticus 23:10 and 25:2; I Samuel 25:5-7; Psalms 99:5,7,9 and 100:2,4 and 101:1; I Chronicles 19:4-7, 9-10; Judges 3:26,28,30,31 and 4:2. After I found these references where the Bible codes overlap each other, I decided to concentrate on I Chronicles chapter 19. What I found absolutely amazed me.

Here are the things I found with regard to "Saturn":
"Saturn" is encoded 1 time in verses 4 to 7 and 9 to 10.
"Ring" is encoded 2 times in verses 7,9,10,11,13 to 16.
"Ice" is encoded 8 times in verses 2,3,5,10.
"Fire" is encoded 1 time in verses 10 to 12.
"Rock" is encoded 4 times in verses 3 to 7, 10, 12 to 18
"Air" is encoded 30 times in verses 2 to 8, 13 to 19.
"Sun" is encoded 98 times in verses 2 to 19.

Here are the things I found with regard to God:
"God" is encoded 6 times in verses 2 to 5, 11,12,14,15,17.
"YHWH" is encoded 5 times in verses 10, 12 to 15.
"King" is encoded 2 times in verses 1 and 2 and 6.
"Lord" is encoded 2 times in verses 12,14, 16 to 18.
"Truth" is encoded 2 times in verses 10,12,14,16,17,19.
"Power" is encoded 1 time in verses 10,12,14,16."Sons" is encoded 4 times in verses 6 to 9, 17.
(Remember: we are "Sons of God")
"White" is encoded 1 time in verse 17.
"Crown" is encoded 11 times in verses 5 to 7, 9 to 19.
"Gold" is encoded 2 times in verses 4 to 8.
"House" is encoded 2 times in verses 3 to 8.
"Car" is encoded 31 times in verses 1 to 19.
"Work" is encoded 79 times in verses 1 to 19.
"Job" is encoded 47 times in verses 1 to 18.
"Gift" is encoded 2 times in verses 2 to 4.
"Fruit" is encoded 2 times in verses 4 to 7, 17 to 18.
"Joy" is encoded 1 time in verses 10 to 13.
"Honor" is encoded 1 time in verses 10, 12 to 15.
"No" is encoded 2072 times and "Sin" is encoded 41 times in verses 1 to 19.

I am sure that there are many more words that are encoded in this chapter 19 of I Chronicles! I think that the evidence is overwhelming that "Saturn" in the dwelling place of God and we are going there!  What do you think?

Lots of Love in Christ, Charles D Landis

My reply

Thanks. I was convinced already, just from reading the Bible. This is added confirmation.

> I found "Saturn" encoded 6 times in the Old Testament: Leviticus 23:10
> and 25:2; I Samuel 25:5-7; Psalms 99:5,7,9 and 100:2,4 and 101:1; I
> Chronicles 19:4-7, 9-10; Judges 3:26,28,30,31 and 4:2.

I don't have much time, must get to sewing swags and cascades. Maybe someone could look these up and see what all is in these surface passages. I just had a quick look.

Lev. 23:10-25:2 includes Pentecost and ends with "Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;". The next verse continues the thought, "But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard." This could reflect in the Rapture not being in the 6000th year, but in the 6001st, that Pentecost, when fully come, is not Sivan 6, but Sivan 7. and that the Rapture is not on the 6th day, but on the 7th, Saturday, the day of rest.

The seventh is appropriate. We are to enter into rest (Heb. 4:1-8). Both Shabbtai (Saturn) and Shabbat (Sabbath) mean rest.

I Sam. 25:5-7 says, "Get you up to Carmel," which means a circumcised lamb, harvest, full ears of corn, vineyard of God, or excellent vineyard.

Psalms 99:5,7,9-100:2,4-101:1: Psa. 99:5 says, "worship at his footstool." That is Earth. Then v. 9 says, "worship at his holy hill." That sounds like Heaven. Psa. 100:4 says, "Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise."

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I dont mean to be rude or anything but, have you even read the bible? Jesus said in matthew chapter 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. But we will know when his coming is at near and i know it is soon but do not set dates. Matthew 24:33  So, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

My reply

I sure have. I have about 15 versions myself, including Green's Interlinear and the Septuagint, and I have read every word in all but one, the New Scofield Reference Bible. Since the Scofield Bible (KJV text) is my main study Bible, I look up certain passages in the "New" one and am proceeding to read it from the first, but have not yet finished. Someone very nice sent me the Tischendorf New Testament. I have just about completed it.

Besides these, I have read several other versions that I was able to borrow from the library. I have been reading the Bible and studying it as deeply as possible ever since before 1960.

Re: No man knows. In the scripture you quoted, take a look at the word "knows." It is present tense. In that day, no man knew. Jesus did not say we would never know. He said to watch. What we were watching for was the Six-Day War in which Israel grew four huge leaves, Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights and West Bank, thus fulfilling the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. Recognizing this Sign of the End of the Age made it possible to figure out the dates of end-time events. All the prophecies of end-time events should come true 40 years from 1967. There is more about this on my Home Page. Have you read it?

You have "an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME" (I Peter 1:4).

If we are not faithful and wise stewards, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers" (during the Tribulation). Mt. 24:51 has, "appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

Are you missing "the grace that should come unto YOU: SEARCHING what...MANNER OF TIME"? I Peter 1:10-12 says, "Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto YOU: SEARCHING what, or WHAT MANNER OF TIME the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but UNTO US they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you." Mark 13:23 says, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things." Luke 8:17 says, "Nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."

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FWD: Prophezine News Bytes: BALKANS: THE CONFLICT, Interference 'will lead to global war'
By DAVID LAGUE, Herald Correspondent in Hong Kong

...China, fearful that the NATO military strikes could set a precedent in any conflict with Taiwan, has intensified its protests...In calling for an immediate halt to the bombing, Mr. Zhu told the Toronto Globe and Mail...that China opposed intervention in the internal affairs of other nations. This included Beijing's sovereignty over Taiwan and Tibet..."If we should refuse to recognize a country's sovereignty, I'm afraid that would lead to a world war," he said....

"We do not have a tribunal or world police. So, who should be the person to make the decision to use all this military force?"

My reply

I think the first person will be the Pope, the second the False Prophet.

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Congratulations. you've picked a more accurate date! 5/22/99

My reply

Thanks. I'm hoping.

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David Hill wrote:
Concerning the differenct subjects, I found Northrop Frye's Books on the literature of the Bible to be invaluable. He goes into the typology solely from the Biblical perspective. He really helped me to understand the relationships that are everywhere seen in the Bible through Typology, and helped me to understand the relationship between the Old Test. and the New Test. Concerning Taurus, the Bull was actually a prehistoric wild bull, unlike anything that exists today. It was as huge as an Elephant, and appparently incredibly swift, with horns that came straight out in front of his head, not curving around like modern bulls. It could not be tamed by anyone. The Taurus of the Zodicac was appanently an Albino one, a White Bull. It is rumored that thess are the animals that Nimrod hunted down, and became famous for. Taurus is the constellation that was assigned to the Tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. I think that the church can be seen in the Pleidies-the seven sisters; and that Israel is portrayed in the Hyades, the apple of His Eye. The pleadies rides on the Bull's back, close to His Heart. Also, concerning Alerbaron, Comet SOHO went right through that star, hence the title of my post, "Bull's Eye".]

P.S.: Jupitor, teams up with Saturn and becomes a bright morning star in Time for Pentecost.

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I have been reading in your web site for several weeks now. I'm fascinated by your scholarship and spirituality. I'm in a Bible study with a group of friends who have been studying Revelation since last fall. A friend of yours, Paul Ellis (the pilot) came up to visit with us a few weeks ago and shared some of his (and your) convictions. I believe I can truthfully say that our group is ready. Not without sin, but ready. We've decided not to worry too much about when it is coming, but to just make sure we stay ready for it whenever it comes. Obviously, I'm talking about the rapture.

Have you read any of the series by LaHaye and Jenkins - "Left Behind", or the sequels? They are, of course, fiction, and are honestly presented as such, but I've found them to be pretty accurate adaptations of the themes in Revelations. If you have, what do you think about them? I believe there's a chance that many people will come to Christ as a result of reading them, because it will make them stop to think about the end time and maybe study Revelations for themselves. I've seen some indication that this is happening with people who are church-goers, but not true Christians. I hope it will happen.

Thank you so much for all your work and even more for making it easily available on the internet for the rest of us to share in your results. May God continue to bless you. Your brother in Christ

My reply

Thanks for your kind comments.

I have not read the books. I stay away from fiction and spend my time reading the Bible and Josephus instead. I have been reading the Tischendorf New Testament lately. Just ran across II Peter 3:9: "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Doesn't that seem to fit this year?

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Arutz-7 News, Apr. 2-8, Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup
TEMPLE MOUNT FAITHFUL CONDUCT Pesach 'SACRIFICE'
By Haim Shapiro Jerusalem Post Jerusalem (April 2)

The "only kid," about whom most Jews only sing during their Pesach Seder, was a reality for members of the Temple Mount Faithful, who on Wednesday morning used a young goat for their "Pesach sacrifice" on a hilltop overlooking the Temple Mount in Jerusalem....Temple Mount Faithful leader Gershon Salomon said that the sacrifice was a symbolic one, since it did not take place on the Temple Mount itself....According to Salomon, it is possible for Jews to perform the rite on the Temple Mount even if the Temple is not rebuilt. After all, he argued, the Pesach sacrifice had been offered long before the time of the First Temple.

Others in the group disagreed. One participant, wearing the black garb of the haredi community and identifying himself only as Nehemia, insisted that until the Temple is rebuilt, no sacrifices could take place....

LAST-GASP RAINS
...Yesterday's rains added three centimeters to the level of the Kineret (Sea of Galilee), or some five million cubic meters to the national reservoir. The year 5759 will be declared an official drought year next week, enabling farmers to receive reparations and permitting the authorities to limit water quotas for the coming summer.

DROUGHT TO BE DECLARED NEXT MONTH By Amiram Cohen, Ha'aretz 3/28/99
Finance Minister Meir Sheetrit and Agriculture Minister Rafael Eitan will officially declare a drought on April 15, enabling the government to compensate farmers for their financial losses...but only for one-year crops intended to be irrigated entirely by rainwater, such as barley, wheat, corn, sunflowers, legumes and melons.

Eitan said yesterday that 1999 was set to be the worst year for Israeli agriculture in 60 years...
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My notes: The last day of Nisan, the MONTH of the latter rain is Apr. 16, 1999. The "NEXT MONTH" after 11 Nisan ("3/28/99"), the date of this article, is Iyar. Here we can see that the whole month of Nisan is considered the time of the latter rain, which the one calling himself "Mr. CAPS" could not accept in our earlier debate. If "the rain is over and gone," as in Song of Solomon 2:11 and as when Noah heard "Go forth" from the Ark in Gen. 8:16, I think the feasts of Nisan are eliminated as possible dates for the Rapture. Likewise, I think the former rain includes the whole month of Tishri, thus eliminating the fall feasts. To my way of thinking, this leaves us with only one possible feast for the Rapture, Pentecost, the only feast that clearly belongs to the church.

James 5:7-9 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman WAITETH for the precious fruit of the earth (i.e., wheat), and hath long patience for it, until he receive the EARLY AND LATTER RAIN. Be ye also PATIENT; stablish your hearts: for the COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge (Christ) standeth before the DOOR."

To the Philadelphians, for whom Jesus has no words of condemnation, he said, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee AN OPEN DOOR" (Rev. 3:8). Surely, this door is now open. Get ready, "the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." We must operate in agape love, being filled with the Holy Spirit, and wait patiently till the Lord comes for his Bride.

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I know you have a swag/drapery job - so a brief question.
A while back you seemed convinced that the 21st of May was the date "you finally nailed down".

What has made you switch back to the 22nd?

Just watched Pat Robertson last night as he castigated date setters. What a supercilious all- knowing attitude. The usual scriptures - which you have many times refuted. Very disheartening when evangelical notables are so stiffed necked.

When you get a chance. God Bless. In Him

My reply

No sewing today for me. I had to drive around 100 miles to take Ed's mother home from the hospital. (Had to drive it to see her Wed. too.) Not much went right today; had to wait for delivery of oxygen machine before she could go home. It took the day. We just made it to Ed's 4:30 Dr's appt. and got to the pharmacy after they closed. He is one pill short today. I've got to rest tonight before standing at the table to finish cutting the drapery job.

> What has made you switch back to the 22nd?

Do you remember last Jan. 26, when I finally got it figured out from what Josephus said that Pentecost was Sivan 7? I was so happy. That is also the day Ed and drove in the end of the rainbow. Below is a bit of what I posted on P & C 256 that day. Notice that I had it right and then went back just before posting it and added a note. I should have left it as it was.
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Josephus' "on the second day of unleavened bread" leaves no doubt whatsoever that the the Feast of Firstfruits was on Nisan 16. It followed the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

> "When a week of weeks has passed over after this sacrifice (which weeks contain
> forty and nine days,) on the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost"

One important thing here is that Josephus said "a week of weeks" instead of a week of Sabbaths. He seems to just mean 49 days (7 x 7). Also important is the word "after." This sounds like the omer is not counted by inclusive reckoning. Then, in 30 AD, Pentecost could have been on Monday, as Herman Hoeh said. It would have been on Sivan 7, May 29. This might explain why Acts 2:1 says, "when the day of Pentecost was fully come."

...This year, Sivan 7 is on Saturday, the Sabbath, May 22, 1999. That would be a good day to be caught up to Shabbtai (Saturn). Jesus is Lord of the Shabbat (Sabbath).

In looking over Lev. 23 in Green's Interlinear and the LXX, I found some help. Under the Hebrew words in Lev. 23:3, Green has "My set feasts." Verse 4 has, "in their fixed times." Both verses 37 and 44 have "the set feasts." From this, I gather that Firstfruits and Pentecost are not moveable feasts. That would rule out the Feast of Firstfruits always being on Sunday, and Pentecost always being on Monday, as Hoeh thinks.

Therefore, it seems that the KJV's 23:11' "on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it" does refer to the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, as traditional Rabinic Judaism regards it, not Sunday. Verse 11 in the LXX says, "lift up the sheaf...On the morrow of the first day." That would be the day after the first day of the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread. Thus, Firstfruits would be Nisan 16, the day after the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is Nisan 15.

Of Lev. 23:15,16 Mr. Hoeh said, "when the Jews translated the passage, they were forced to render it correctly: "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow" (Nisan 16) "after the day of rest" (first day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15), " from the day" (Nisan 16) "that ye brought the sheaf of the waving" (Firstfruits, Nisan 16); "seven weeks" (49 days) "shall there be complete" (i.e., without counting Nisan 16)." Verse 16: "even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days." Everything fits.

If the 50-day countdown of the omer starts with day one on Nisan 17, the day after Firstfruits, in the year of the Crucifixion, Pentecost would have been on Monday, Sivan 7, May 29, 30 AD. (Wonder of wonders, May 29 is our daughter's birthday. Our son David's is April 6, date of the Crucifixion and Second Advent.)...

Now I am hoping for the Rapture on Saturday, Sivan 7, May 22, 1999. This means that John's becoming "in the Spirit on the Lord's day" (Rev. 1:10), probably does indicate the Saturday Sabbath. As some have said, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. I think he was born on the Sabbath too.

Note: Being caught up to Shabbtai/Sabbatai, Saturn, on the Shabbat, Sabbath, would be very appropriate. Actually, I am not going to rule out Sivan 6, either, because the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation seem to start on Sivan 6. The Talmudic Jewish Calendar lists both Sivan 6 and Sivan 7. I can live with that (May 21/22, 1999). However, in 30 AD, the day of Pentecost was fully come. That could give us reason to think Sivan 7 was the day.

I have been so happy today. Learning new things gives me joy. Then, to top it all off, We saw the most awsome rainbow ever. Once, we went to Hawaii to the Spring Crest convention, rode around the big island and saw two, one a double, spectacular, but nothing like we saw today. They were far off. This was close by. It was a double one. The colors were reversed in the two color bands, and between the two color bows was an evenly colored wide solid dark band. Outside the two color bands, the sky was much lighter, above and below. The bow was all one phenomenon. The ends were exceptionally bright and very wide. The bottom of the inside bow came down on the street I was driving on. The bright colors sparkled and played all over the traffic ahead of me as we drove through light rain and mist. It was a wonderland. I was glad to get stopped by two red lights to drink it all in. It lasted a long time too. I'll never forget it. I parked and watched the short part that remained the longest while Ed got a prescription filled. It is hard to imagine that the colors could get that bright toward the two ends. Above, the color bows were lighter, but a complete arch.
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I should have paid attention to the dazzling rainbow the same day I figured Pentecost was Sivan 7 and Carol's birthday hitting on Pentecost in 30 AD, but I couldn't get it out of my mind that the Tribulation started on the Feast of Weeks on Sivan 6. I should have thought of the circle clock. Man's days are the six circles in the outer ring (i.e., man's test is 6000 years and then we enter into God's rest in the seventh millennium). The time of rest is the inner seventh circle. It applies to 1000's of years. It applies to the days of the week. It seems to even apply to the days of Sivan. God works in sevens. However, at that time, I posted both May 21 and 22 as possibilities for the Pentecost Rapture.

Then on P & C 298, I woke up. Here is what I said, "Since the Pre-incarnate Christ figuratively brought them to the border of HIS SANCTUARY, i.e., Saturn, on Sivan 1 (Ex. 19:1), and "the glory of the LORD (YHVH) abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it SIX DAYS (Sivan 1-6): and the SEVENTH DAY (Sivan 7) he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud....And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him UP INTO THE MOUNT" (Ex. 24:16-18).

This makes Sivan 7, May 22, a definite possibility....

Things do seem to fit Sivan 7, May 22, 1999. At the Transfiguration, Mk. 9:1-3 says, "some of them that stand here , which shall not taste of death (as at the Rapture), till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And AFTER SIX DAYS (i.e., on the 7th) Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, an John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them." There may be a double meaning to "after six days." This may be a clue that the Rapture will be on Sivan 7 in the 6001st year (after the seventh millennium of man's test being mortal and knowing good and evil has begun).

Eve was taken out of Adam's side on Friday, but it could have been the last thing the Lord did before the seventh day, and his rest, began. Hebrews 4:1 says, "LET us therefore fear, lest, a PROMISE being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said." This also points to the seventh day.

II Thess. 1:6,7,11 says, "Seeing it is a righteous thing with God ro recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled REST with us, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED (at the Rapture) from heaven with his mighty angels....Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you WORTHY OF THIS CALLING."

Rest is suggested in Psa. 149:5's "new song." It says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds." The seventh-day Sabbath is the day of rest.

Samuel means "Name of God." I wonder if it is significant to us that he told Saul, "SEVEN DAYS shalt thou tarry, till I COME TO THEE" (I Sam. 10:8).

Job 7:1 says, "IS there not an APPOINTED TIME to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?" Ex. 21:2 says, "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, SIX YEARS shall he serve: and IN THE SEVENTH he shall GO OUT free for nothing." This too may have a double application and indicate Sivan 7, 5759, in the 6001st year.
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Then, on P & C 298, David Hill told me about the largest gamma-ray burst of light ever known. It happened 120 days before Sivan 7. This is when I changed the date to May 22 and added this to the top of my Home Page:
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On Jan. 23, 1950, the Knesset restored Jerusalem as capital of Israel. Forty-nine years later, on Jan. 23, 1999, the huge gamma-ray burst of light took place in the heavens. Things that happened to Israel are for types and examples for us upon whom the ends of the ages are come. Compare the 49 years with Dan. 9:25, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks" (of years). (7 x 7 = 49)

From Jan. 23, 1999, when the huge burst of light was seen, to Pentecost, Sivan 7 (our May 22) is 120 days, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning. Compare that with Gen. 6:3: "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." The Rapture is as the days of Noah. He had 120 years to build the Ark. Also consider Gen. 1:14: "Let there be LIGHTS in the firmament (expanse of space) of the heaven (lit., heavens)... and let them be for signs..."
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We see through a glass darkly at first. Then things clear up as we continue in fellowship along the way. God gives someone just the right thing to say to trigger my brain to see things in a clearer light. That happened with what Pastor Riley said. It happened with what David Hill said.

I now feel that when Pentecost is fully come represents Sivan 7, and that is May 22.

Hope this helps.

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