Pro and Con 306
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Incoming Email I forwarded your pro.con thingie (hope you don't mind) to a few friends of mine. If you could find out about the autistic kid and the other girl and anything else about what they're doing now after these events; let me know. I asked for signs and 3 should be enough to convince me!! I pray that you will be able to hold on; and fight with greatest intensity in the coming days in the battle at hand for souls. Every hour is so important; but God knows we are in these days; and He shall give us rest. How can we not endure when already having gone so far; gotten so close; and fought so hard in battle and prayer for our brothers and sisters in Christ? Your silent warrior and friend in Christ
My reply Of course, I don't mind.
Jim Bramlett phoned the girl. Here is his report:
Incoming Email Re: Angel gives year to autistic boy! (Jim Bramlett)
It is amazing how God, by His power, gets a story from virtual obscurity to all over the world. I have seen it many times in the past seven years. Humans get no credit; He gets all the glory. I believe this may be another one.
Today an e-mail friend put me on to an amazing story briefly told on Marilyn Agee's Web site (http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/) on P&C 304. I checked the site and later was able to personally talk on the telephone with the source of the story, confirming it.
She is Robin Macahan, who lives in Texas. Robin is a delightful and greatly enthusiastic watchman (er, watchperson), who said she longs for Jesus' return more than anything else in her life. She is an avid prophecy student, and attended the recent big prophecy conference in Tampa.
Robin, who is not even online, briefly borrowed someone's computer, somehow found Marilyn's site and sent her an e-mail! She was shocked when I told her it was posted and being read all over the world!
Here is her story. Robin says:
"A friend of mine down our street has a little autistic boy who is 10 years old. Last year, he came inside his house from playing outside and he looked different than his mom had ever seen him.
"He told her, 'angels don't have wings, and they wear white and are very tall.' He told her that the angel told him to hurry and go inside the house and tell his mom that Jesus is coming back in 1999, and then the angel went up into the clouds and waved at him.
"When his mother and sister hugged him after hearing this story, they said that it felt like electricity went through their bodies and little rays of light went all over the room."
When I spoke with Robin on the telephone, she elaborated. She said the little autistic boy is the most loving child she has ever known, and that if an angel was ever going to appear to someone, she could understand why it would be this little boy. His parents are dedicated Christians. As she recalls, the encounter happened in the spring or summer of 1998.
Robin also said something else that seemed to confirm the authenticity of the story. She said the little boy has a very short memory and sometimes cannot remember something that happened only moments earlier. Thus, it made sense, she said, when the angel told him, "HURRY and go inside the house AND TELL (your mom)" (emphasis supplied). This got my attention!
Robin also shared with Marilyn David Gant's 1992 story, which I discovered and reported in 1993, and with which most of are already familiar (http://www.yeshuatheking.org/angels.html). David says the Lord spoke to him in the underwater cave in which he had been trapped for many hours and said, "Go tell the whole world that I am coming back for my children before the year 2000." Robin has carefully studied David's testimony and has spoken with David and considers him highly credible.
Odd (Divine?) timing. Just last night I received an unexpected telephone call from a fellow in Illinois, Don, with whom I have not spoken in five years! Don had read David's story and evaluated it against some 1,500-year-old saint's book which in great detail describes how to discern whether or not a message is from God. Don said David's story scores a solid 100 percent on the test!
Did these unexpected "two witnesses" to me, all within 24 hours, confirm David Gant's story? Could this have been God's confirmation to us all? Also, does the special revelation to the little autistic boy + David make two independent witnesses for 1999? For "third, fourth and fifth witnesses," and for different and independent Biblical reasons and not special revelations, astute authors/scholars Marilyn Agee, Avi Ben Mordechi and Bonnie Gaunt all see the rapture in 1999.
If David Gant, the little 10-year-old autistic boy, and the three authors have heard from God, we are definitely outa here extremely soon.
Let us hope, watch, and pray.
My reply I appreciate your thoroughness in checking things out. Agape
Incoming Email Re: Angel reveals year to autistic boy! (Jim Bramlett)
E-mail friend and fellow watchmen (and Naval Reserve officer) Phil Massey is very gifted at taking related events and details and pointing out most unlikely (but probably divine) correlations. Here is his interesting take on the angel appearing to the 10-year-old autistic boy and saying the Lord will return in 1999:
1) Robin (the lady who reported it) "just happens" to be an avid prophecy student
2) Robin "just happens" to be neighbors with this Christian family
3) The autistic boy "just happens" to be able to remember and EFFECTIVELY communicate what the angel told him
4) The parents "just happen" to be Christians who UNDERSTAND the importance of what their son has told them.
5) Robin "just happens" to be able to borrow a computer to get the story out to Marilyn Agee who just happens to have spent much of her life searching for this very type of information
6) One of your friends "just happens" to e-mail you about the story
7) You "just happen" to be a professional reporter and witness for Jesus Christ with deep longing to watch for His coming and the ability to share that with others.
IT "JUST HAPPENED"? I DON'T THINK SO!
8) It "just so happens" that at nearly the same time while you're confirming the angel story, Robin also knows about David Gant, whose testimony now involves a time contraint of this year, which "just happens" to confirm the boy's story
9) It "just so happens" that Robin finds David's story credible
10) It "just so happens" you get a call from someone you haven't heard from in 5 years talking about the credibility of David in the light of ancient Godly wisdom and discernment.
So we have, a divine revelation about this year from a totally unexpected source which agrees with a well-known credible source ( David ) which has been evaluated against modern and ancient methods of discernment.
Someone (Read: God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) is trying very hard on this one to say; TIME'S UP, HEADS UP!
Incoming Email Your 4/13 update of the gamma ray burst is very interesting. You have verified what had been suggested earlier, that the burst was directed toward earth. Someone posted on the Five Doves a few days ago that the burst appears to be coming directly towed earth with the beam directed through the area of Bootes which represents the tip of the lance that he carries in one hand. Someone posted the fact that the light first passed through the area of Bootes' eye. The other hand supposedly carries a sickle.
Just how much more definitive can this get? If people do not understand that earth is getting a specific message from God they have a tremendous amount of blind faith that there is no God. ALL of this could not have occurred simply by chance.
I don't know precisely the probability that this is not by chance but the statistics must be astronomical: the size, the date, the direction, the path, the constellation, the position through the constellation and the interactions among all of the various aspects of Bootes that tie in with our postulates of the rapture date.
Nevertheless, dedicated unbelievers defend their position to the death. They dislike being disturbed with evidence. For us Believers, however, this continues a long list of confirmations that have occurred during this final century of the church age. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! God bless
Incoming Email In Procon 303 was the following exchange:
>> 1. Can you tell me your view on the percentage worthy to be raptured in rapture 1? Is
>> it 50% 50% parable of the virgins. Or 2 out of the thousands of Israelites going
>> into the Promised land (that makes it sound almost unattainable).
>> I don't know anything to go by other than the parable of the ten
>> virgins and the 1/5th of the grain taken up by Joseph during the seven good years.
In addition to the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25, what about the passage in Matthew 24:37-42 where Jesus is obviously talking about the subject? "But as for the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. THEN shall TWO be in the field, the ONE shall be taken, and the other left. TWO women shall be grinding at the mill; the ONE shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Rather than just be a general reference to the separation of the Wise and Foolish, might it not also be a specific reference to the relative numbers taken?
Also, Marilyn, one other question: What is your understanding of Matthew 24, verse 28? "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." I think you wrote about it in one of your books, but it makes little sense to me in the context of the 'coming of the Son of man'. Thanks to you
My reply Thanks for your many kindnesses.
> TWO women shall be grinding at the mill; the ONE shall be taken, and the other left.
A religious group is characterized by a woman. This seems to tie in with half of the virgins being taken up. It could indicate the ratio of Philadelphians to Laodiceans. But then what would you make of Joseph (which means increase or addition) taking up 1/5th of the grain in the seven good years? Would the wise virgins equal 1/5th of the total population of the planet? I don't know. Some details of a type may not apply. Therefore, the 50/50 split seems a better indicator. We do have two things that suggest it.
The one thing we can be sure of is that the Philadelphians are the ones that have the open door in front of them (Rev. 3:8). The Lord mentioned no condemnation against them (Rev. 3:17-13). Therefore, we should do everything in our power to make sure we have nothing against us. Queen Esther was purified for 12 months before being taken to the king (Esth. 2:12). We should purify ourselves by confessing our sins and bringing them all under the blood of Christ. In Rev. 19:7, "his wife hath made herself ready."
Esther took nothing with her but what Hegai, "the keeper of the women, appointed" (Esth. 2:15). This parallels the oil in the parable of the ten virgins. Hagai means word. Christ is the Word. He is the one that keeps us. He is the one that indwells us. The Spirit of Christ is the oil for our lamps. Hagai also means separation, taking away. Those that have the Word are the ones that have a chance to be chosen to be the Bride of the King. They have a chance to be taken away from the trial that is coming upon the whole Earth (Lu. 21:36).
Esther means hidden, secret and star. Esth. 2:12,13 seems to apply to this year. It says, "Now when every maid's (virgin's, v. 2) turn was come to go in to king Ahasuerus (prince, head, chief, lion king, i.e., Christ), AFTER THAT SHE HAD BEEN TWELVE MONTHS, according to the manner of the women, (for so were the days of their purifications ACCOMPLISHED, to wit, six months with oil of myrrh (bitterness), and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women;) Then thus came every maiden unto the king." Doesn't that sound like we are being tested this year with both sweet and bitter things? We must love the Lord more than anything sweet, and in spite of anything bitter.
The king "loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown upon her head" (Esth. 2:17).
Verse 19 depicts the second Rapture. It says, "And when the VIRGINS were gathered together the SECOND TIME, then Mordecai (bitter bruising, i.e., the Tribulation) sat in the king's gate" (place of judgment). Esther was able to save her people, so it seems to me that we will be asked if the Lord should save Israel at the Judgment Seat of Christ, and we will answer in the affirmative.
> Matthew 24, verse 28? "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the
> eagles be gathered together."
Verses 28-31 take place on the very last day of this age. Verse 28 is much misunderstood because of an unfortunate choice of words by the translators of the KJV. The NIV does not help, either. It says, "Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather." Even the note in the New Scofield Reference Bible says, "The meaning of this somewhat puzzling verse is illuminated in the final dialogue between God and Job (Job 39:27-30). The spiritual application here is that, where moral corruption exists, divine judgment falls." That is as clear as mud.
Luke 17:36,37 is translated better. It says, "Two men shall be in the field (i.e., the world), the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), thither will the eagles (high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together." That is clear.
Mt. 24:28 goes with verse 31, which says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:52), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
It also goes with Mark 13:27: "And then (at the breaking of the sixth seal) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place and all the saints are gathered in Heaven for the most momentous day ever. In Heaven, it is Coronation Day, the day of the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
The way I understand Mt. 24:28 is that wherever the BODY (Body of Christ) is (in Heaven, previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture), there will the Tribulation saints be gathered together. The Tribulation saints are called eagles because eagles are high flyers. Isa. 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
Mt. 24:28-31 is at the breaking of the sixth seal on the last day of this age. The sun and moon are darkened by smoke from the rocks that are beginning to strike Earth. Verse 30 says, "And then (sixth seal) shall appear THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." They will see this sign that day, and the Tribulation saints will be caught up, but the Second Advent will be seven months later (Ezek. 39:12).
Incoming Email ...the false prophet will have two Horns, or sources of Power. He looks like a Lamb, which evokes images of the Christian Church, and he arises from the Earth, and in the Scriptures, the Earth is refering to Israel. The False Prophet will be the embodiment of both Judaism and Christianity, and he will be the main motivating force behind the revival of the Babylonian Religion....
There is one other aspect of a rebuilt Babylon that seems to indicate that Africa will be the main supplier of food during the tribulation. This will require a separate post, but for now I will say that the indication is the use of the word 'ephah' that is used by Zechariah, which is an egyptian word. If Egypt does supply alot of food, this would explain why the antiChrist would invade Egypt at least twice during the tribulation....
My reply I think Satan will have two comings to power, as Christ has two comings. A horn is a symbol of power. Satan came in Judas Iscariot and will come in the False Prophet. I do not think the False Prophet will embody Christianity. Second John 7 says, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a (mar., the) deceiver and an (the) antichrist." First John 4:3 says, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come." First John 2:22 says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
An ephah is the largest measure for wheat. Therefore, I think it stands for the world church. Zech 5:6 says, "This is their resemblance through all the earth."
Incoming Email Recently, I was studying Watchman Nee's book "The Normal Christian Life." I thought you might be interested to know that he believed that the "days of Lot" passages in the gospels was the only direct scriptural reference to the "process" of the rapture. I believe his main point was that only a portion of saved believers will be raptured (very similar to your ten virgins analogy) and that the reference to Lot's wife looking back indicated to him that Jesus meant to indicate that those believers who do not truly love Him above all else, who still are tied through theirsoul-life to the world, will not make it although they hear the call of the bridegroom to "come up hither." I could not tell whether he believed that some of these "lost" believers might make it in a 2nd rapture as you believe, but thought you might be interested in this anyway.
My reply Thanks. I think the days of Noah apply to the Pre-Trib Rapture, and the days of Lot apply to the Pre-Wrath Rapture. In the former, all are married, suggesting that this Rapture is for the Bride of Christ. Even the animals went in two by two. Water fell, symbol of the Spirit of Christ working this year to buoy us up and keep us afloat in this time of testing and constant work of feeding and cleaning. When the water was evaporating from the Earth, it probably forcast our being taken to Heaven by the Spirit of Christ after our year of constant work is finished. When the water is gone, we will be gone. It will finally be a time to rest from our labors.
In the days of Lot, his wife didn't make it, suggesting that this Pre-Wrath Rapture is not for the Bride, but for the remainder of the Body of Christ. Literal fire falls because of an asteroid impact that same day, at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5; Psa. 91:6; Job 20:23), after the saints are led out by angels, maybe in the early morning, as Lot and part of his family were. The rest of his family in Sodom perished in the fire because they wouldn't listen to Lot.
Incoming Email Re: The Fifth year of the seven good years DILEMMA
After having read THE END OF THE AGE I was most intrigued by the comment of the seven good and seven bad years in pattern by Joseph's interpretation of the dream. However, what I understand is that your original reason for placing the Rapture in 1998 was that this account places the taking up of wheat from the shaft on the fifth year of the seven good years, and after trying to find this is Scripture itself, I've been unable to. Have I forgotten something, or was this from a different translation?
...I did enjoy both of your books, The End (of the Age) and also Heaven Found. They both made me think in newer ways than I ever thought I could.
My reply This was not the main reason why I picked 1998. First, I figured that Israel growing leaves in the Six-Day War of 1967 (Jewish 5728) was the Sign of the End of the Age, that this age would end 40 years later, on Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007), and that the 2300-day (Dan. 8:14) Seventieth Week of Daniel would begin on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.
Then, the parable of the barren fig tree (Lu. 13:6-9) mentioned four years. I thought those were 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. The Lord comes in the first three years to check for fruit on Israel, his fig tree nation. Even though the Rapture did not take place in 1998, I still think these years are significant (explanation below).
I thought that since Joseph took up 1/5th of the grain in the seven good years (Gen. 41:34), there was a chance that we, as wheat, would be taken up in the 5th of the seven good years. We were not. However, I think we will be taken up in the seven good years. This next Pentecost seems most likely to me.
We now have a better way of knowing which are the seven good years and the seven bad years. The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. They were ratified in Israel three days later, on Tishri 1, 5754.
Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 good years = 2000 + 7 bad years = Sept. 13, 2007
Tishri 1, 5754 + 14 years = Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007
We can now be more certain that 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000 are the seven good years and 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 are the seven bad years.
The "church in Smyrna" (myrrh, bitterness, i.e., trial, tribulation) is told, "ye shall have tribulation ten days. This word translated days is a period of time to be determined by the context. It can mean ten years. If we subtract 10 years from 5768, we get 5758, our 1998. This agrees with the first of the four years in the parable of the barren fig tree (Lu. 13:6-9). The year 1998 is marked in several ways. It means "the season of Noah." I think it was the 6000th year of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil. I thought it would be the Rapture, but it seems to have been the beginning of our engagement period instead. It was as if we entered the Ark and have to wait about one solar year to "Go forth."
Hebrew engagements were 12 months to prove the bride a virgin. Queen Esther was purified 12 months, "six months with oil of myrrh (bitterness, i.e., tribulation, testing), and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women;) Then thus came every maiden unto the king" (i.e., the Rapture) (Esth. 2:12,13). We seem to be tempted and tried with both good and bad during this year. We must stand fast no matter what happens. Satan is probably sifting us as wheat.
The Rapture is as the days of Noah. He and his family were selected to go into the Ark. We may have been selected last Pentecost. At Pentecost in 30 AD, the Holy Spirit fell on the church. In the Ark, the rain (symbol of the Spirit of Christ) fell. It buoyed up the Ark as the Holy Spirit buoys us up when tribulations strike. Noah was 600 when he entered the Ark and 601 when he was told "Go forth." In between, he had to stay in the Ark (a type of Christ, our Saviour). He had to feed the flock. We are called God's flock. It looks like we were engaged in the 6000th year and will "Go forth" in the 6001st. Noah was also told, "Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh" (Gen. 8:17). This year, we also should feed the flock, and get ready for the going forth.
As water (i.e., the Holy SPIRIT) rained down on Earth in Noah's day, and as the Holy Spirit rained down on the church in 30 AD, it looks to me like the Holy Spirit rained down on the church again in 1998, quite possibly last Pentecost.
I John 2:18-28 is written to the last generation. It seems as if it is directed to them during in this one-year engagement period, from Pentecost 1998 to Pentecost 1999. See what you think.
It says, "Little children, it is the last time (year, Rev. 12:6,14): and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come (he is to be revealed after we are gone), even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time (year). They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us...But ye (the last generation) HAVE AN UNCTION (annointing) FROM THE HOLY ONE, AND YE KNOW ALL THINGS." Remember how in Acts 1:8, Jesus said, "But ye shall receive power, AFTER that the Holy Ghost is come upon you" (Acts 1:8).
Continuing in I John 2:21-28: "I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but BECAUSE YE KNOW IT...BUT THE ANOINTING WHICH YE HAVE RECEIVED OF HIM abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of ALL THINGS...And now, little children, ABIDE IN HIM (as Noah did in the Ark); THAT, WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR, WE MAY HAVE CONFIDENCE, AND NOT BE ASHAMED BEFORE HIM AT HIS COMING" (at the Rapture).
My email friend in Finland had a very strong feeling of power at the exact time that Saturn rose on the horizon last Pentecost. He thought the Rapture was taking place, but it didn't. I wonder if it was the Spirit of Christ annointing him at that moment that gave him that intense feeling.
He had a dream of flying up similar to one my son Dave had. Here is one time he sent me email about it. He said, "Interesting that your son had a dream so similar (the flying part) to those recorded in an earlier P/C (about mid June). The other "dreamer" was me. One thing that I often thought of was the fact that in my dream sky was quite bright - as it is here in late spring and early summer - but in Sept. 20 midnight sky is already dark. Should the rapture occur May 23 1999 the sky is fairly bright at midnight and even brighter at sunrise (about 4 am) when Saturn rises over the horizon. (same time-zone as Israel)."
I am now hoping for the Rapture when Pentecost has fully come, Sivan 7, 5759, Saturday, May 22, 1999. If we go to Shabbtai (Saturn) on the Shabbat (Sabbath), it will be an appropriate day.
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