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This is for the person in P&C 310 asking about speaking in tounges. The order of "gifts" is given 1 Cor 12:4-11.

" Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

My reply

Oh, thank you bunches. I should have thought of that at the time....

PS: You know something, I was reading The Acts of the Apostles today at Cardiac Rehab. There is a good chance that only the apostles spoke in tongues on Pentecost. Acts 2:2,3 says that the Holy Spirit "sat upon each of them. And they were ALL FILLED with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." However, we have to determine to whom "them" refers. The previous mention is the "apostles" in 1:26.

In Acts 1:1-14, Luke spoke of the apostles. Verse 1 mentions "apostles." Verse 11 says, "YE MEN OF GALILEE," which refers to the apostles. After the Ascension, the apostles returned to Jerusalem for the ten days of waiting for the Holy Spirit. Jesus had told the apostles, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye (apostles) shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you" (Acts 1:7,8).

Then verse 15 says, "And in those days (during the ten days) Peter stood up in the midst of the DISCIPLES (it doesn't say apostles, who were the 'men of Galilee;' disciples included the apostles plus others), and said, (the number of names together were about an HUNDRED AND TWENTY,)..."

The 120 DISCIPLES (probably not all Galileans) were present when the "lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven APOSTLES. AND when the day of Pentecost was fully come (not necessarily the same day that Matthias was chosen), they (the apostles, referring back to the last mentioned) were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they (the apostles) were sitting. And there appeared unto them (the apostles) cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them (the apostles). And they (the apostles) were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them (the apostles) speak in his own language. And they (the multitude) were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another Behold, are not ALL THESE WHICH SPEAK GALILAEANS?" (the apostles, as in v. 11).

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I've read your site and it is very intriguing. A lot of the stuff you are saying makes total sense and I am praying to the Lord that you are right. I would like to blow something by you real quick. Do you know how the Palestinians were going to declare a Palestinian State on May 4th regardless of a peace agreement or not. Obviously they have decided against that but I have heard that they may wait until after the elections in Israel later this month. Based on the outcome of these elections they may go ahead and declare their state and cause a war. These elections are on May 17th. If they decide based upon the outcome of these elections that they will go ahead and declare their state could this not cause the Gog Magog war prophesied upon in Ezekiel 38 and 39? I really don't think Israel would look too kindly on them declaring a state and I have heard that Russia has guaranteed to back the Palestinians should any conflict arise. I'm not sue if that makes any sense at all. It's just a thought. Tell me what you think. See ya later. Hopefully on May 24th (I'll be flooding the Lord with all my questions on the 23rd :- ). Adios.

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Read Ezek. 38:18-21. It is the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium. I think that is the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14), Sept. 13, 2007. The Lord said, "my fury shall come up in my the fire of my wrath have I that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea...and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence" (transl. sight in Eze. 36:31). This not the Second Advent, but the day the Sign of the Son of Man is SEEN in Heaven (Mt. 24:30). The mountain burning with fire of Rev. 8:8 strikes the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5), stopping Gog and all his bands (Ezek. 39:2-6). Verse 23 says, "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall KNOW that I am the LORD."

"And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21), saith the Lord GOD" (Ezek. 39:12,13). The attack on Israel will be stopped by the asteroid the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen when the heavens are rolled back like a scroll (Rev. 6:14).

I don't see any possibility of this happening before the Tribulation begins. That doesn't mean that war won't break out. It just means that the Gog led attack is not possible, in my mind, before the Tribulation.

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Looks GOOD! Welcome BACK

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Thanks for the package today. Now I know I have to UL P & C 312 again to get rid of extra code put in when pe crashed. I can't figure out how that worked, but I think I can fix it. The movie, Noah, was crazy. Someone wrote his own script on that.

The Moon in Leo (Lion) at Pentecost is interesting. The lights in the heavens are "for signs" (Gen. 1:14). To the Hebrews Leo is Arieh, the lion tearing or rending. Leo is the 12th sign of the Zodiac. There is a certain finality to that. The lion seems about to jump on Hydra, the serpent. Hydra means the abhorred.

Regulus is considered the king star. In Hebrew, it means the treading underfoot. The moon passing in front of this star on May 21, blanking it out from our view raises a question. That day is Sivan 6. Is Christ not in our view that day? Then on Sivan 7, May 22, our National Astronomy Day, it can again be seen. That agrees with what I think is the most likely day for the Rapture. By Sunday, Sivan 8, the brightest star near the moon is Denebola, the judge or Lord who comes quickly, or the tail. Food for thought.

Other stars in Leo are Al Dafera, the enemy put down and Al Giebha, the exaltation.

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In response to Valerie Skrzyniak`s email in P/C 312 about her 52nd birthday, you`re reply had one sentence in CAPS which you said "you did`nt mean to do, it just happened". The sentence read "THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR SURE" This may have no relevance but i don`t know if you seen Bill Singleton`s email to the latter day letters on April 26th, his code finding where the Hebrew characters that would be used to spell the phrase nupala Yeshua, which means "Wonderful Yeshua". Maybe, just maybe this is a hint that Yeshua is coming for sure this Pentecost. Let`s keep looking up, in his love

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Thanks. I had not seen Bill's email that day. Christ is wonderful for sure. I'm looking up, hoping for our "blessed hope" this Pentecost. Agape

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Just curious about any thoughts you have on the decision to delay the declaration of statehood by Palestine?

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Yes. I find it very interesting they they have decided to wait until 2000. I think the seven-year peace covenant and the sacrificing at the temple will come on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. The timing seems very good.

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I find it highly unlikely the rapture will be as soon as this year. My basis for believing this comes from Scriptures such as Revelation 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;" (my emphasis) Currently, it is approximated that over 24,000 languages have no Gospel translation of any type and 2 billion people are as of yet completely unreached by the Gospel. If there are going to be representatives from every tribe and tongue, then these groups will have to be reached. Why would God pull out His most faithful laborers before this occurs?

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Because they have done their part already. They have withstood the trial of their faith that is more precious than gold (I Pet. 1:7). They are part of the group found in Heaven in Rev. 5:9, and they are "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." They are in Heaven before the first seal is broken. The Tribulation saints are caught up between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. They have run the race (I Cor. 9:24-27) and won "the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (Phil. 3:14). That is why Jesus set before the Philadelphians the "open door" (Rev. 3:8) and told them he would "keep thee FROM the hour of tempatation (peirasmos, trial), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3:10). This group has already been tried and not found wanting.

He told them to "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS (the Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." The word for escape is EKPHEUGO, "escape OUT OF or AWAY FROM." We get our word EXIT from the prefix, "EK." Strong's gives "vanish" as an alternate meaning for EKPHEUGO. From ESCAPE to VANISH, not the slightest hint of "survive through" (Luke 21:36).

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I was just wondering. How strongly do you feel that May 22 will be the day? I mean I know for a fact that God wanted us to live our lives as thugh we have another 1000 years until he comes. Would it not be sin to plan your life around this date that you believe the Rapture to be ocurring on? At least thats what It seems like to me. I definately see it as a possibility but I'm not really staking anything on it. Pretty much I'm going to keep my eyes open, be faithful to Him, and whatever happens happens.

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I am not a prophet. I can't say for sure when it will be. However, May 22 seems to be the most likely. A span of 1000 years gave me a chuckle. Our lifetime is nothing like that. Neither is the time we have left.

How could it be a sin to watch when Jesus commanded us to watch?

We just need to get ready and stay ready until it happens. If you study prophecy and read the newspaper, you will realize that it can't be long. The Tribulation is just about here.

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I read this on Arutz-7, news from Israel, today. "Rumors of flowing water from the Foundation Stone on the Temple Mount have cost at least one man a few hours of freedom. Rabbi Yosef Elbaum, who regularly takes visitors on tours to Halakhically-permitted areas of the Temple Mount, was arrested yesterday when he attempted to verify rumors of the flowing water. He took his usual route, and when a policeman ordered him to veer off the path and walk in a Halakhically-forbidden area, Rabbi Elbaum refused. The policeman arrested him, and he was released only a few hours later. Rabbi Elbaum was unable to verify the truth of the rumors. Speaking with Arutz-7 today, Rabbi Elbaum said, "The Book of Ezekiel mentions that water will begin flowing from the Foundation Rock, after chapters on the construction of the Beit HaMikdash (Holy Temple). We have heard rumors of foreign press reports over the past week that waters have started to flow from the Rock, and that it is impossible to locate the source or to stop the flow." Rabbi Elbaum said that, from the answers to his inquiries on the topic during his walk yesterday, and from the fact that he was arrested on "such a baseless charge," he suspects that the policemen and the Waqf personnel were attempting to hide something from him."

Marilyn, if there is indeed flowing water from the Foundation Stone, this is another significant event of these days. If it is so, it may trigger even more tension over the Temple Mount. The anticipation is mounting! (no pun intended). Looking up, watching, and praying. In His Love

My reply

Thanks. Hope that is not just a rumor. If true, it seems that with a little time, water will run somewhere that it can't help but be noticed.

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First of all, let me join the growing chorus of 'Thank you's. I am not real sure what to make of all that you say but it sure is thought provoking. The amount of work involved in maintaining your web page must be enormous. Thank you again for getting the word out.

I realized how important you have become to me when your web page went down due to server problems. I went into a minor panic...I need my daily fix! The mirror sites are a great idea.

Now to the point of this email. I said above that I am not sure what to make of all that you say. I get a little uncomfortable with the way you support a position with quotes from all over the Bible. Can the context really support the interpretation you are giving it? For instance: I looked up the references you used to support the idea that Saturn is heaven, in particular the Job passages. I have 4 versions of the Bible and I read those passsages out of each. My response was....Huh? Your interpretation just didn't make any sense (but then most of Job doesn't make sense to me). Yet you give other passages and interpretations that make perfect sense. I get lost in all the convolutions. Im sure it is plain to you, but from my chair following your reasoning is like trying to pull out a single strand of spaghetti...after it gets cold and sticky.

It would be nice to get some sort of devine conformation, you know...lighted text in a dark room, CAPITAL LETTERS, rainbows, dreams, angels, visions of a modified Venus, or even a gold tooth. But here I sit like Thomas, doubting. I guess I'm not blessed in that way either. Thats why I'm envious....

By the way, in P&C309 you said that having the hair raise up on your head is a sign of the presence of the Holy Spirit. Do you have Scripture to support this? Thanks again for all your work.

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> amount of work involved in maintaining your web page must be enormous. Yes. I spend every minute answering email that I can. Creating the mirror sites took over 3 hours UL time on each, and I will try to do more.

> I get a little uncomfortable with the way you support a position with quotes
> from all over the Bible. Can the context really support the interpretation
> you are giving it?

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. This business about everything having to be understood in the context seems to me to be blinding people to understanding some deeper things that truly are there. It is like the Pharisees saying you can't eat until you wash your hands. That is not true. As an example, part b of one verse comes to mind. Try to understand it in the context. First, you should know that Colossians is written particularly to those of the Tribulation. Col. 4:16 says, "cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans." Therefore, it has a veiled message for the Tribulation saints stuck in there where it makes no sense whatsoever with the context. Here is the verse I'm talking about.

Col. 4:10 says, "Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments [i.e., Moses]; if he come unto you, receive him;)." Moses and Elijah are the two witness that prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation.

Isa. 28:9-13 explains why things are here a little and there a little, "that they (the ones that will not hear) might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Read the whole passage and it will make sense. God had to make it hard enough to understand so the wicked would not understand (Dan. 12:10). The indwelling Holy Spirit is necessary, or it is foolishness to them. The Bible is spiritually discerned.

> I have 4 versions of the Bible and I read those passsages
> out of each. My response was....Huh?

Some do have to be read in the Septuagint to come clear.

> Im sure it is plain to you, but from my chair following your reasoning is like
> trying to pull out a single strand of spaghetti...after it gets cold and sticky.

Early on, a young man was reading something I had written. He said, "Well, I learned how to read you. Just keep on reading and it will come clear." Some things are built up step by step.

When I read a book, I first look at the contents to get an idea what is covered. Then I pick out something that looks especially interesting and read that. I leaf through to get a general idea of what the author is trying to say. Then I go back and read the book, cover to cover. I don't know if that will work for you, but it helps me.

> It would be nice to get some sort of devine conformation, you know...lighted > text in a dark room, CAPITAL LETTERS, rainbows, dreams, angels, visions of a > modified Venus, or even a gold tooth.

Our test is to walk by faith, not sight. If something happens as confirmation, fine. If it doesn't, fine. We cannot depend on anything but faith. We shouldn't be like Thomas. He didn't get to see Jesus the first time the other apostles saw him. I am afraid that Thomas may represent the Tribulation saints that have to wait until the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky. "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast SEEN ME, thou hast believed: BLESSED are they that have NOT seen, and yet have believed" (John 20:29). Is it just coincidence that the Rapture is called our "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13)?

> having the hair raise up on your head is a sign of the presence of the
> Holy Spirit. Do you have Scripture to support this?

No. Experience. Many times when you can feel the Holy Spirit guiding you to say certain things to certain people, bringing Scriptures to mind that you normally would not have thought of, this feeling accompanies his obvious control of the situation. When the conversation is over, you know that you did better than you were really capable of. Sometimes something jells for you almost as it comes out of your mouth, something you didn't fully understand before. You know that you had to have had the Lord's help.

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Marilyn, I have been doing some thinking about the correct way to "count to Pentecost". As you know, some say the counting starts on the "high day sabbath" i.e.Nisan 15 and would therefore always be on Sivan 6. But wait... just think....if the day of Pentecost was going to be always on Sivan 6 (or on Sivan 7)...why oh why would you have to "count " i.e. calculate the day ???? You would already KNOW it was going to be on Sivan 6!! Take a look at Lev. ch. 23....all of the Feasts and assemblies are SPECIFIED by what day of the month. For examples: Lev.23:5 "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month the Passover." vs.6:"And on the 15th day of the same month is the Feast of Unl. Bread." Take a look at Lev. 23:24 :" On the 7th month on the 1st day of the month" the Feast of Trumpets.Now look at Lev. 23:27" On the tenth day of the 7th month is the Day of Atonement." The same is true re the Feast of Tabernacles. If Pentecost was ALWAYS going to be on Sivan 6 (or on Sivan 7) then the text would undoubtably have read "In the third month (Sivan), on the 6th day of the month is the Feast of Pentecost". However this is not the case!! To me this is proof positive that God intended that the day of Pentecost be counted starting with the day after the WEEKLY sabbath during the days of Unl. Bread.!!! This means that Pentecost will be on different numbered days of the month BUT ALWAYS ON SUNDAY ! This is the ONLY explanation that makes sense because it has to be counted in order to find which NUMBERED day of the month it is going to be on !!!! In this regards it could be said it is the "Day that nobody knows" because you don't know until you count it. This year Pentecost is on May 23rd. Is it possible that, just as in Exodus 19, God will someway instruct the Bride to "Prepare" on the 21st and to "be ready" on the THIRD DAY--which will be the 23rd ?? Would this explain the "Sky blue 21 and Yeshua 21"?? We will soon find out.

I believe the above infor. was given to me to share with everyone. God does not wnat us guessing which day Pentecost is on. I believe it should be considered Jerusalem time on May 23rd---which would be the 22nd here in the USA depending on what hour the Rapture is to occur.

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> This year Pentecost is on May 23rd. Is it possible that, just as in Exodus 19,
> God will someway instruct the Bride to "Prepare" on the 21st and to "be ready"
> on the THIRD DAY--which will be the 23rd ??

I can sure appreciate your thinking on this. I have gone through, and am still going through the same thing. BTW, in my head, I think of you as the "thinker." I like the way you examine everything in detail.
First, I thought Sunday, May 23, seemed most likely. Then I thought that because the Tribulation seems to start on Sivan 6, Pentecost must be on Friday, May 21. Only after I read Josephus did I decide that Sivan 7 seems the most likely. However, I am not sure enough about it to say that it couldn't be either of the other days. The third day sure could enter into it too for Moses was told to tell the people to prepare for the third day.

Let me quote a bit of Josephus (a Pharisee priest) and see what you come up with. In Ant. III.X.5,6, he said, "5....Nisan...on the fourteenth day...the Passover...The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days...But on the SECOND DAY of unleavened bread, which is the SIXTEENTH day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them....they offer the first-fruits of their barley...6. When a week of weeks has passed over AFTER this sacrifice, (which weeks contain forty and nine days,) on the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost...they bring to God a loaf, made of wheat flour, of two tenth deals, with leaven..."

We can tell by this that we are to count from Nisan 16, the second day of unleavened bread, which is called a sabbath, because they were "to rest entirely" (Josephus, in 6.). What makes it hard to count is first we have to figure out whether to use Jewish inclusive reckoning or not. The Jews today count the omer inclusively. However, Josephus said "AFTER." That seems to tell me that we do NOT use Jewish inclusive reckoning here.

If we start with Nisan 17 as day number one, we come to Sivan 7 for the 50th day. I figured this out Jan. 26, 1999. That same day, Ed and I were driving (well, I was the one driving) from Cardiac Rehab in Riverside, CA to Moreno Valley to get a prescription filled for him. We had a direct shoot east. I looked for a rainbow on my left all the way for two reasons. Just a week before, I had seen one in that area of the sky from our house, and the dark clouds looked ominous to the north of us. It was raining lightly. As we approached MV, the sun came out, it started to rain a bit harder, and we saw beautiful color, yellow, orange and red, sparkle on the streaks of rain way up high in the sky in a wide pattern. Soon we were driving into the end of the inner color band of the most gorgeous complete double rainbow we had ever seen. We thought it looked like a fairyland. Streaks of color were way up above, to both sides, and splashing all over the cars on the boulevard ahead of us. Words can't do it justice. In between the two color bands was a dark blue solid color, darker than the surrounding sky. I was so happy to see that, and on the very day that I thought I finally got Pentecost straight in my head was awesome. The rainbow is a reminder of God's covenant with us. That was one neither of us will ever forget.

I came home afterward, and counted the day to see what day Sivan 7 would have fallen on in 30 AD. It came out May 29, our daughter's birthday. Since our son David's birthday is April 6, the date I think the Crucifixion and Second Advent are on, it gave me a start to count to May 29. Whew!

These are not Scripture. They are not things to base a doctrine on, but enough to make me think, "Wow, is He trying to tell me something?"

I am open to your ideas. To me, it seems that Pentecost could be Sivan 6, 7, or 8. You are good at gathering evidence. I wonder what else you can come up with.

One other thing concerning a Sunday Pentecost. In 2001, Nisan 16 is on Monday. That would mean that there would be more than 50 days from Nisan 16 if you had to wait unto the following Sunday to start the countdown of the omer. I'm not sure that that method of counting really is the way it was done.

I'd appreciate hearing from you again on this subject. Doesn't there have to be 50 days from Nisan 16? Lev. 23:15 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow (Nisan 16) after the sabbath (Nisan 15 was a holy convocation, a day of rest), from THE DAY THAT YE BROUGHT THE SHEAF OF THE WAVE-OFFERING (Nisan 16); seven sabbaths shall be complete." Does "complete" also suggest that the omer is not counted by inclusive reckoning? Does Sivan 7 tie in with Pentecost being "fully come" in Acts 2:1? The Jewish Talmudic calendar lists both Sivan 6 and Sivan 7 as Shavuoth (Pentecost). Agape

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