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Re: Wow! Read this
Troy Geri wrote:

Hi Marilyn, Take a look at this and see what you think, it may look like I am clutching at straws but I doubt it. I was trying really hard to think about what other ways God may have hidden clues in the bible. That led me to think, what words do you normally associate with 'clues'. I tried a few things, then I thought, what about 'piece together', as in a jigsaw puzzle. Guess what, this search brought up only two matches in the whole bible, the first just happened to be II Samuel 23:11,

II Samuel 23:11 "And after him was Shammah the son of Agee the Hararite. And the Philistines were gathered together into a troop, where was a piece of ground full of lentiles: and the people fled from the Philistines.

But he stood in the midst of the ground, and defended it, and slew the Philistines: and the LORD wrought a great victory."

I couldn't believe it when I saw Agee in the verse. Then I did a search just on Agee. Marilyn, this is the only verse in the whole bible that it appears. If it was just a fluke that, piece together & Agee just happen to be in the same verse, that I just happened to think of one of the only search combinations in the world that would have found this verse with your name in it, that I just happened to be searching for a clue, that there is only one verse in the whole bible with your name in it and my search just happened to unintentionally find it, then that is one almighty fluke. God has to be telling us something in this verse. Look at it closely. It is talking about one of the three mighty men of David. They were powerful servants of God, just like our dear Marilyn. They were fighting against the enemies of Israel (& therefore God). They stood their ground and defended their position against their attackers. God granted them a great victory. I think Marilyn, God has just told us that your victory is this Pentecost. By your victory I mean that you have held your ground despite attacks from all around and God is about to bring about a GREAT VICTORY (the rapture)

The other search result was Luke 15:9:

(9) Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?

And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.

Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Marilyn, notice piece together again. I think God is telling us you have found the piece of the puzzle that was missing last year (ie, the tarrying). After last Pentecost you kept the candle of discovery shining on the scriptures and sought the word dilligently until you found the missing piece of the puzzle. God may also be telling us that the reason for this tarrying was so that those dilligently seeking to bring the lost to Christ would have one last chance/year to seek and reach them, "there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth".

I know I am drawing a lot of conclusions but this is not all just coincidence, just as with the 990123 GRB, it smacks of GOD.

With an abundance of God's love to you our dearest Marilyn Agee.

Troy Geri

My reply

Thanks. Hope this is the year. It can't be much longer any way you figure it. Agape

Note: Ed is in the Bible too. They called the altar Ed, which means witness. Ed's name is Edgarell, which means witness for God. Agee means fugitive, one who flees or tries to escape, likely to disappear. Strange, huh?

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Just a little something the Lord showed me this morning. I was dreaming all night about an angel and the message he was giving meŠI can't remember it now and yet it was so clear when I was asleep! I woke up at 5am with the question "Lord how does the Bride prepare for you"? He said to me "Get up and I will tell you."

I got up and made a cup of tea and prayed a little and then strongly in tongues.

I suddenly felt I was just not worthy and needed to come before Christ and be cleansed. I saw a vision of Christ on the Cross (this is a recurrent vision at the moment) not naked and dying, but clothed in Splendor and Victory and indescribably Glorious - surrounded by great lightenings of golden rays.

He told me to stand before him naked and look upon him. To let all the darkness in me go out and to let it enter into him. I saw it leave me and go into him and go down into Death and Hell. Then I saw my Pride/Bitterness/Anger/Hatred and Unforgiveness go out of me and it was swallowed up by Jesus. Then a River of fiery Gold left his belly and touched my head and entered into me, it left my belly and reconnected with him. This was repeated several times. He was cleansing me with his Spirit, his Blood, and his Righteousness. And I was now glowing too.

Then he said "Stand naked before me and annoint your body with Myrrh and Spices". He said the Myrrh was suffering and the sweet spices Joy - that our life now was bitter-sweet and perfume to God. That as we suffered, we also knew moments of exquisite Joy in our Spirit walk with him. Then he said "Ask me to clothe you now - with my Righteousness, a garment of pure white".

His garment descended. I had to stand naked with arms upraised and outstretched - my head down. He said, "You have to stand for Christ - arms raised in Praise - with your head down in Humility to receive Me". Then HE placed on me HIS robe/mantle/covering/ and protection. He covered me - I entered him. Once the robe was on, my head raised up again - a sign that I had received his affirmation and of my assurance of my new status.

Then we are to finish the preparations. We gather around us our virgins (handmaids) to brush and set our hair. To adorn and beautify us for our Beloved. The virgins talk animatedly about the Bridegroom. We are all excited and nervous. Are we ready? Are we good enough? There is talk of the wedding and it's build up. This is indicative of us all now as we share together in fellowship the excitement of our Lords coming. One minute joyful and giggling - the next worried and prayerful. Then we are finished and ready. But now we have to wait. The tension builds, we pace the floor. Listening for the shout to go up - the call to come. Getting more and more excited and nervous. Hardly able to sit still.

This is the weeks before the Rapture.

Finally the shout comes!! We are ready - We have prepared - We lift our heads and go without a moment's hesitation. THIS IS THE MOMENT WE WERE CREATED FOR AND WE ARE THE BRIDE!!!!
Malachi 3:16-18

ps I have been praying for you and Ed - Hope the bruises and aches and pains are easing now. Much love

My reply

Thank you so much for sharing this with me....

Ed is getting stronger. I can't believe how fast I am healing. This was not to put a stop to what I am doing. It was just one more hurdle placed in my way that I had to climb over. Guess you know I am persistent. When my left elbow got so painful I couldn't do ANYTHING, I slept one whole day, then wrapped a cold pack around my elbow, built a wrist-rest out of some foam mouse pads I wasn't using and typed very slowly with finger motion only. Like I've said before, when I can't take a big step, I take a little step and plow on. I still can't type as fast as I used to. I know now to slow down when I get a pain signal. That time, I had kept on in spite of increasing pain. That just won't work, but I am determined to do my best. When my right wrist and shoulder were hurting so bad that I didn't think I could keep on, someone very nice, someone handicapped herself, sent me a Logitech track ball to use instead of the Apple mouse. It has made keeping on possible. I'm running the obstacle race, but I aim to win the prize of the high calling of God in Jesus Christ, no matter what. Agape

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Hi Marilyn,...keepin  on? Thanks for the updates!

"Year of the drought" - I understand the Euphrates River can be waded across, at times even ankle deep. The lowest in more than 50 years. An Iraqui ban on the planting of rice - a stable to the region. (From: Chosen72@aol.com)  The aquifer Israel (and Jordan via Israel) depends on dangerously low and in danger of becoming unpotable.

Rev 16:12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East.

Regarding the wise v. unwise virgins: if...

2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Where do these "who love his appearing", stand in relation to the wise/unwise virgin? When would this crown be presented to Him?  Being uncertain as to the amount of oil to qualify as a wise virgin etc. - would this scripture serve as a qualifier?

In Him - With Him / May 22nd

My reply

Since those that "also that love his appearing" are to get their crowns of righteousness, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE WISE VIRGINS. They are righteous. They also seem to be Philadelphians for Rev. 3:11 says, "Behold, I come quickly; hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

I didn't mean to capitalize the above. It just happened. Agape

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I have a comment about man's history on earth being 6,000 years followed by christ reigning on earth for 1,000 years with us, the saints. Do think that any correlations can be drawn between each day of God's creative work and each 1,000 year period in man's history? For example, Jesus Christ's first advent was in the 4,000th year of man's history. This corresponds to the fourth day, when God created the sun, moon, and the stars (Paul calls Jesus Christ the SUN of righteousness). Do you see what I am getting at? Just wondering. Thank you so much for always finding time to reply to my e-mails. I know how busy you must be, Marilyn. I pray that God continue to bless you and shower you with His wonderful peace and love, and the power of his annointing.

My reply

There are some parallels, such as you found. But, to me, the best of them is Gen. 2:1: "THUS the heavens and the earth were finished, AND ALL THE HOST OF THEM." The second Rapture takes place as the Millennium begins. Thus, "ALL THE HOST OF THEM" are in Heaven at that time. Those that are in Heaven are the host of Heaven. Those that are on Earth that day are the host of Earth. That Pre-Wrath Rapture is the last chance to be in the heavenly host.

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> Thanks for taking the time to answer mail everyone sends.
>
> I believe that many people are opposed to the 'Toronto blessing/movement', well it's
> happening in our church. Although I've never rolled or screamed or any other manifestation,
> would rather believe that whatever happens to the people around me is between them and God.
> I'd rather not look, as I'd probably judge it - who says it's not God?

***From Marilyn: I'm certainly not one to say. I just know that I Cor. 14:33 says, "God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

> But regardless of all the negative talk and criticism, some of the folk are falling more and
> more in love with Jesus as a result If this was evil, would they really love Jesus more?

***God can work all things together for good for those that love the Lord. Look at the great number of kids standing up for Christ because two or more that did were shot.

> The strangest thing is also presently being experienced. During worship, gold dust/flakes > appear on people. Not all people, just some. Apparently this is happening worldwide, not > just our church. If you have the time, would you comment on this.

***I don't limit what God can do, not one speck, especially since I think I John 2:18-28 shows that this last generation has a special annointing from the Lord. Just as special things happened in 30 AD, special things can happen today.

I am also convinced that the young people had an anointing in 1967. In all, 19 college age kids came to my house unbidden, no time of meeting set--ever, to study the Bible with me. It just happened. They called themselves Jesus Freaks. It started with one boy that dated my daughter, spread to her friends at college, their friends--word of mouth. I had nothing to do with it except when they came I studied with them. They just appeared at my door whenever they pleased. We kept the coffee pot going and sat around the kitchen table most nights till 1:00 AM, studying. Strange that Israel was 19 years old that year and most of those kids were 19 also.

That Jesus movement started almost simulaneously, as far as I can tell, in three places on the west coast, at Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa, CA, my area, La Mirada, CA and surroundings, and someplace up north that I can't think of right now. Before it settled down, there was a wave that went all across the country from the west to the east.

> ps - do you believe in healing for everyone here on earth?

***I believe in healing, but at God's discretion. Paul prayed three times for his thorn in the flesh to be taken away and the Lord did not take it away. The Lord was shown strong in Paul's weakness. I leave everything up to the Lord to do what he wants to do, knowing that he has the power to do anything he wills. He has sealed up my split tooth that made my jaw ache continually for a year, but has not healed my muscle spasms. He has his own reasons, maybe because they wake me up in the morning and make me jump out of bed. His power is unlimited, but he does what will honor him and accomplish his plan. Maybe the fact that I keep plugging on when in pain is more of a testimony than if I did not live in pain. I do not force anything. He knows best in EVERY case. All final decisions are up to him and all I want is to be in His will, no matter what.

Note: He knows that I am not a doubting Thomas that has to see a sign to believe. My faith is super strong without any kind of manifestation.

> I understand from scripture that it is possible for ALL to be healed. Obviously we must
> believe in Him and that He exists and that He took it all upon Himself (Jesus) that if
> we ask and believe and stand in faith, we could be healed here on earth.
>
> Anyway, judging by the way you write, you seem to be such a nice lady. And you sure bear
> a lot of fruit - quite a testimony. be blessed

***Thanks for your kindess. I try hard to be a good and faithful servant of my Lord Jesus Christ. Agape

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> I wrote: > changes to the King of the North in 40-44 [Daniel 11]
> You replied, "Look again. He is attacked by the king of the north."
>
> This is what I meant. "He" is the King of the North from the last part
> of v40 thru v45. The "He" in verse36-39 is the False Prophet.

*** From Marilyn: I think the False Prophet is in view all the way to the last verse of the chapter. In Dan. 11:40, there are three players, "him," the False Prophet that has left his land and moved to Babylon, "the king of the south," and "the king of the north." The False Prophet is "the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock" in Zech. 11:17.

> I wrote: > asteriods hit. And we also know that the Lord fights on
> this day with His Saints.
> You replied, I don't think so. At this time, the saints do not
> fight. When they do, it is at Armageddon,
>
> I read Zech 14 as follows:
> v1--It is the Day of the Lord, the same day the asteriods hit.
> v2--ALL nations are gathered against Jerusalem to battle.
> v3--THEN will the Lord go fight those nations
> Psalms 149.9--The Lord gives the "honour" of executing the written judgement to the saints.
>
> The Lord fights the nations on "The Day of the Lord". The saints are with the Lord at the
> fight. There is no getting around that (that I can see). After this day, the only people
> left on earth will be 1/6 of Gog's army, a very small remnent of Jews, and a very small
> group of survivors scattered out around the world.

***Zech. 14 does not take place all on one day, but the events do take place within the 1000-year Day of the Lord. In v. 1, "the day of the LORD cometh." I think the first day is the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. On that literal day, "ALL NATIONS" (v.2) will attack Jerusalem. To me, this says the united nations, the armies of the world government. "THEN" (v.3), still on the first day of the Millennium, "shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."

***The day of battle referred to is Joshua's long day. On that day "they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword" (Joshua 10:11). On the first day of the Millennium, the asteroids will strike Earth, turning the globe upside down, causing Jesus' long day, and killing more with rocks than Israel can kill in their own defense. One asteroid as large as a mountain will strike the Mediterranean Sea (Rev. 8:8; Zech. 2:4,5).

***The name Jesus is from the Hebrew for Joshua, as you can tell when the Jews call him Yeshua. Joshua's long day was a picture of Jesus' long day, which is the first day of the Millennium. Joshua 10:14 says, "And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel." On the first day of the Millennium, the Lord will again fight for Israel, but not because a man asked for a long day.

Back to Zech. 14. Verse 4 says, "And his feet shall stand in that day ("the day of the LORD," v. 1) upon the mount of Olives." The Day of the Lord is 1000 years long. There are seven months (Eze. 39:12) for Israel to bury the dead between Zech. 3 and 4.

We can be certain that the Second Advent is not the Day of God's Wrath for the Day of God's Wrath, when the asteroid impacts Earth, is the day of thick darkness (Joel 2:1-3). The day of the Second Advent is not a dark day. Zech. 14:5,6 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, NOR DARK."

> The Lord says in Psalms 149 that the judgements written upon the heathen, the people, the
> kings and the nobles will be executed by the saints. If what you say is true, then almost
> all the kings, the nobles, the people and the heathen will have already been destroyed by
> the Lord by Himself seven months before His return. This would mean that The Lord executed
> the judgements written and not the saints since you say the saints aren't with Him at this
> battle. This seems to be a major contradiction.  Also you refered to "I HAVE TRODDEN THE
> WINEPRESS ALONE; AND OF THE PEOPLE THERE WAS NONE WITH ME:" He says there are no "people"
> there. He doesn't say "and of the saints there was none with me". In Psalms 149 he says
> the saints ARE with him.

***After the Second Advent, there will be the Judgment of the Nations. Then Psa. 149 will be fulfilled.

***The winepress is the Day of God's Wrath. On that day, the saints are in Heaven receiving their rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rev. 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and ART TO COME (the Second Advent is still seven months in the future); because thou hast (his coronation is earlier on this same day) taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, AND THE TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED, AND THAT THOU SHOULDEST GIVE REWARD UNTO THEY SERVANTS the prophets, and to THE SAINTS, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND (i.e., at the same time) shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

***In Rev. 14:14-20, there are two reapings on the same day. The first is the Rapture of the Tribulation saints on the first day of the Millennium. It is Pre Wrath--barely, as when Lot left Sodom. The second is to cast the unbelievers "into the winepress of the wrath of God." The believers in Heaven receive their rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ while the unbelievers on Earth receive their just rewards for their unbelief, the Seven Trumpet Judgments.

> I wrote: > Are the first Rapture Saints still considered to be "Saints" now that they
> are no longer a bride but are now married to the Lord?
> You replied, They can't be non-saints, can they? They have earned the right to be called
> saints. Saints are called the Bride here, why not then?
>
> I think they can be non-saints. Saints are called the Bride here and have definately earned
> the title. However, after the Rapture and before the battle,  the "Saint" thing is taken
> one step futher to no longer being a bride, but to being the WIFE. This is the destiny of
> those who make the first Rapture. In my book and reading through my glass darkly, I would
> choose being the Wife over being a Saint (if given the choice).

***We have to be saints before we can be the wife. We do not lose that. Rev. 19:7,8 says, "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS."

> > I hope you and Ed get settled back down soon.

***I had a terrible experience last night just before dark. We had gone to the memorial service for Millie and ate a meal at the gathering at Ed's brother's house. I ate a ham sandwich, noticed a dark edge, but did not take it off. It was a booby trap for me, must have had chili pepper or paprika in it, deadly for me. My muscles go into spasm violently. My feet had been cramping lightly for about an hour. I was getting more and more uncomfortable by the minute. Finally, we hugged everyone and left. At Ed's suggestion, I stopped at Super K-Mart, to try to walk it off before I had to drive another 40 miles. I had brought my walking shoes and put those on. While in the store, we had to find water so I could take a Valium and one quinine. I could hardly walk out of the store. We bought a Cola from a vending machine at the door, and I took another quinine. In the parking lot, my toes on my right foot turned completely under my foot inside my shoe, and I had to walk on them that way. By the time I got to the car, sat down in the driver's seat, I had to get right back out and get my weight back on my feet to keep them from curling worse. I was in tears. There was no way I could drive. We keep Tums in the car. I chewed up 4 for the calcium. Ed went to the pharmacy and got me Vitamins with minerals, Calcium with Vit. D, and potassium. I hobbled around holding on to the car and got 4 more Tums out of the glove box, made it back by the driver's door. Put my head on my arms on the top of the car and prayed for the Lord to help me get us home. As soon as Ed brought the other pills, he had to go back and get me another Cola to take them with. We must have waited over 30 minutes before I could get in the car and chance getting on the Freeway. I had Ed turn on the radio, didn't want to get sleepy, and drove home using Cruise control as much as possible and just the weight of my foot on the excelerator at other times. Of course it was worse in my right foot.

***Made it home, turned on my computer, and the pills kicked in. I was falling asleep, couldn't work. Ed said to go to bed, and I did. Now, its now morning and I am sitting at my computer with cold pack on my back and hot pack on my right foot. I may have to take something else yet before this seige is abated.

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I think you absolutely correct about the Holy Spirit and the apostles. It would never have occured to me. Good work. Give Ed my best. Agape

My reply

Thanks. It never occurred to me before. I just believed what I had heard. It sounded reasonable when I read that section before. However, when I really looked hard at those Scriptures, they didn't seem to support the general consensus of opinion.

Ed is improving lots. Me, I am in pain, but keep going nevertheless.

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The verses:  But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.  For a great DOOR and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.  I Cor. l6:8,9

  jumped out at me the other night.  Pentecost together with door immediately made me think the Lord was saying something. Bless you.

My reply

I have thought for a long time that this is a veiled message to us. Agape

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I know you must be quite busy, but I was wondering if you answer a question; or direct me to the answer. I have , for the last two years, been impressed by the fact that the rapture could occur on Pentecost. But the partial rapture was never a part of this.

My question, in all due respect, is how would one be absolutely certain that he would have a part in the first rapture? I am certain of my salvation, "for by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast".( Ephesians 2; 8-9)

Would I have to consider myself a better Christian than another to have a part in the first rapture? If this is so, I could never be certain. Some days my walk is better than others. I may be like a Philadelphian one day and a Laodician the next. A sincere seeker of His truth

My reply

Christ is the judge, but as far as I can see, we have to have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to go with the Bridegroom when he comes. That is why we are told to be filled with the Holy Spirit and not to quench the Spirit.

Isaiah 59:2 says, "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."

Sin causes a barrier between us and God. The Holy Spirit is being quenched. At this point, if we confess our sins (those committed after accepting Christ), he is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). Then the Holy Spirit, as living water within us, wells up and fills us. At that point, we should be pure virgins with enough oil to be taken up in the Rapture. Agape

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