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Re: Thanks
I thank you for your post. I am a Catholic, but as of late, a non-practicing one. Your web page served as the inspiration for me to reconsider my salvation. I believe in Christ and accept him as my Saviour. I intend to recieve the Sacrament of Reconciliation as soon as possible. I am afraid for the people of Earth when it comes time to pay for our sins. I pray to Jesus to forgive as many of us as he will , and to show mercy on those that are too foolish to accept his gift of Salvation. I have not been a good Christian. I am a sinner. I pray that Jesus will come into me and fill me with the Holy Spirit. I look forward to my Salvation and, though I know that I am not worthy, that Jesus will save my soul. Thank you again for your webpage. You, and all people who choose to live in Christ (and even those who do not) will be in my prayers

My reply

We are all sinners. If we were not, we would not have needed a Saviour. At the moment we accept Christ, all those old sins are erased. We have a brand new start. Any sins committed after that, we should confess to God, not a priest. "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (I Tim. 2:5).

I John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

You just said, "I believe in Christ and accept him as my Saviour." Therefore, your soul is already saved. That happens when we accept him. You are already sealed until the day of redemption. Eph. 4:30-32 says, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Praise the Lord. You are one of His. For this we were put on Earth. All the angels in Heaven rejoice over one soul that is saved. I rejoice with them and with you. Thank you Father, in Jesus' precious name. Amen.

Make "melody in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Eph. 5:19,20).

Agape

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This is to let you know that you are a blessing to me . I am a 52 yr. old man that reads your site every day and it brings me hope if the date this year passes it will still bring hope to me . I lost my wife a couple of years back after thirty two years and I look forward to the Lords coming it is all that's keeps me going . She went through about what your husband has gone through but the LORD decided to take her home . Of course most people say that it is grief that makes me this way and I should just get on and find another mate but I don't think they know the kind of LOVE my wife and I shared . This and a few other sites that I read keep me going. Your friend in Christ

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with me. I understand. If Ed had gone home ahead of me, I wouldn't be out looking. My attention is on my family and what I can do for the Lord. Our grief is lessened knowing that the days are few before we can see those that have gone on. Agape

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I find your site very interesting, and somewhat helpful in understanding the book of Revelation, what I do not understand is why you are always trying to place a date on the time of the Rapture. I believe it will be a time no one expects, and only God will know. I agree that the dates you have picked in the past are very important, and maybe one will be the date,but I think date-setting is something that only raises peoples hopes, and causes some to do crazy things.Thought its obvious that the time is very near, and we should have a general idea, I believe you should not place a date on the Rapture because as Christ said "I am coming like a thief " I believe no one will really know.

My reply

I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2. It said to publish and conceal not. As for people doing crazy things, they should not. Jesus said to occupy till he comes. To me, that means normal life.

> as Christ said "I am coming like a thief " I believe no one will really know.

You have a right to your own beliefs, just as I do. You do not have to know. You can let him come upon you like a thief. The Pharisees did. Jesus said, "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered" (Lu. 11:52). To the church in Sardis, Jesus said, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee AS A THIEF, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3:3). What can we know if we do watch?

Jesus said to the unfaithful and unwise steward, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut in in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers" (Lu. 12:16). Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites over and over.

I Thess. 5:1-4 says, "BUT of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord (the Millennium) so cometh as a THIEF IN THE NIGHT. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But, ye brethren, are NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF." Agape

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Lord's Prayer
I have been thinking for some  time about the words which our Lord taught us to say when He was asked how we ought to pray, and I just wanted to pass these ideas on for your consideration.  What is most compelling is that I believe this prayer is mostly concerned with the coming Tribulation and with the Rapture.  (The translation which I am about to convey comes mostly from a lecture by Fr. Thomas Hopko, the Dean of St. Vladimir's Seminary when he visited our parish several years ago.  However, the idea of their meaning vis-a-vis the Rapture and Tribulation are something which I have noticed--either rightly or wrongly--and present for discussion.)  I could elaborate on the following ideas, but for the sake of time, I will be brief.

  The opening phrase, "Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy Name," is meant to establish our allegiance--that is, that we are dedicated to Him, and not to the World--and that we join our voices with the Cherubim and Seraphim, who continually cry "Holy! Holy! Holy! Lord God of Sabaoth."

  The second phrase, "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven," is the beginning of the reference to the End Times.  This is an echo of the words written by St. John at the end of the Revelation: "Amen. Come Lord Jesus!" and of the words in 22:17: "And the Spirit and the bride say,'Come!'  And let him who hears say, 'Come!' "

  The third phrase, "Give us this day our daily bread" (according to Fr. Hopko) refers specifically to "the Bread which came down from heaven" and to the "manna in the wilderness"--that is, it is not merely a petition for the daily material needs of the faithful, but is more importantly a petition for the eschatological "Bread" which is Jesus, Himself.  In other words, it is an iteration of the words of Jesus in the Bread of Life discourse in St. John's Gospel (6:22ff): "and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."  [I believe that it is also worth noting that this discourse immediately follows the account of Jesus walking on the water, in verse 19ff.  I believe that this is significant for our current discussion, because of the following:  I was doing some research on the mythology of Orion after making mention to you of the cometary path of SOHO98j1.  The oldest pre-Homeric accounts of Orion hold that he was the son of a human mother and Poseidon, and was given special abilities concerning mastery over the waters--one such gift was the ability of walking on the ocean's surface!  (This brings up a topic for discussion at another time: the origins of the old myths--were they premonitions of the Truth of Christ as given to mankind by the demons in order to distract men from the Reality of the Incarnation?)  But at any rate, here are the comets passing through Orion, the one who comes walking over the waters (the waters of the cosmos) and who has power over the sea, and we have Jesus walking over the waters--and subduing the waves, in the Matthean and Markan accounts--and then immediately He gives us the teaching of the Bread of Life!!  I just think it is too much for mere coincidence.]

  The fourth phrase, "And forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us," is another double reference, both to our continuing life as His disciples as well as to the End Times.  If we think of the "oil" which the Wise Virgins have stored up, it is, as we know, the presence of the Holy Spirit in our hearts and the righteousness which His Presence brings to our souls.  This petition for forgiveness and the affirmation that we will likewise forgive, is the very outward and visible sign of the inward and spiritual grace which the Holy Spirit brings to those who love God.  As St. Paul so clearly states in his letter to the Romans, it is the knowledge of the Torah (i.e., the Word of God, Jesus, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity) that brings us to know our sins, and it is only the Grace of God (which comes to us by Jesus and through the Holy Spirit) which allows us to be forgiven for our trespasses.  In the Beatitudes (Luke 6:20ff), Jesus tells us clearly that those who are His followers will "bless those who curse you, (and will) pray for those who abuse you."  As we pray this fourth phrase, we are affirming that we desire to be one of the Wise Virgins.

  The fifth phrase is perhaps the most eschatological of all.  Fr. Hopko says that the most accurate translation is as follows: "Save us from the time of trial; and deliver us from the Evil One."  This is usually translated as "Save us from temptation; and deliver us from evil;" but this renders the phrase in a much too abstract form.  That translation makes it seem that we are praying for spiritual forbearance and a deliverance from bad things happening to us.  But Fr. Hopko says that the meaning in the original language is quite concrete.  We are praying for a delivery from "the" time of trial, and for delivery from a embodied, personal evil.  Therefore, most accurately, we are praying to be saved from the Tribulation when those who are present on this earth will be under the power of the Evil One.

  The reason that I am taking the time to briefly outline my understanding of the Lord's Prayer as a prayer for the Parousia, and not just as a prayer for daily needs, is that as we approach the Rapture of the Bride of Christ (which we pray will be on or about May 21st, God Willing) it is good to know that the "perfect prayer" (as some commentators have called the Lord's Prayer) is actually a prayer for our Blessed Hope!

  May God give us all added spiritual strength in the twelve weeks which lay ahead.  I am certain that the Evil One will try to snatch as many away from God as he can so that he can visit his wrath upon Christ's Body one last time before his own certain destruction.   MARANATHA!

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Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge of scripture on your site and for your unending dedication, despite all you've been through with your husband Ed, and Ms. Millie Sparks. I pray, Lord, please keep Marilyn and her family in health right up to the time You come for us at the Rapture. Consider us all to be counted worthy, Lord.

I have been keeping up with your site daily for over a year now. Most everyone I talk to about Jesus returning for His Bride this Pentecost gets really mad - even when I tell them it's only speculation - the times really do seem right. I get remarks like "did I look these scriptures up myself?, or did I look at the translations myself ?, and if God wanted us to know, it would be "black and white", and, of course, the famous "no man knows" argument. My married daughter is trying to conceive a baby and gets upset when I say that Jesus may rapture us this May thus thwart the plans they desperately have for a baby. Certainly, we'd like that one more soul to be with our Lord in heaven - even if it's only in her womb for 8 weeks. She can always hold her baby in heaven - Forever! She doesn't want to know when Jesus is coming - she says she's ready and wants it to be a surprise when He comes (like a thief). I tried to explain the "if you DO watch, He WON'T come like a thief", but she thinks it makes no difference to her when He comes - she argues she's ready. She thinks you're some kind of a domesday cult persuader. I tell her how much love you have for those who dispute with you and how you use scriptures to lead others to the Lord - that's not enough for her, she just won't hear of it. I told her if she is so condemning of your speculations, she should check your site out herself - utter refusal. Another Christian girl at work also got angry and refused to discuss the Rapture with me. My husband also thinks I'm gullible - I'm the only one in the family that hasn't been through college, so my opinions don't count for much. My heart sinks that my family and friends want to walk with blinders over their eyes - my heart cries out "THIS COULD BE THE DAY!!" and no one will listen! I hope you're right and I hope that the Lord has mercy on those who try to serve Him each day but who do not want to search His word (for types).

Sadly, so many eyes are closed. I'm asked what good it is to know the day. All I can respond is that I feel a special blessing (and the URGENCY that time is short) in knowing ahead of time. In 1959, when I was a (roman catholic) child (9 years old), I was always panicked about the laughed-at "end-of-the world" warnings coming on the radio each year around the season of the "Ides of March". While others took them to be a horoscopic joke, me being a serious child, I had to consider a deeper meaning. I knew the Lord could return at any time, however, no one understood my REAL fears - I was scolded at for concerns about the hereafter and ordered not to pay mind anymore to the pagan "soothsayers" on the radio. I had never embraced the salvation message (John 3:16) and the Blessed Hope until my 20's, and now, approaching 50, I have peace that Jesus is in control of my life since I trusted in Him as my atonement for sin. I think because when I was young that I wanted to know so much about His return, the Lord led me to your site on the net.

Now I'm often asked why God would give such insight only to you and those who follow your site on the net? God, according to the "mold" many put Him into, would not possibly let the world know of His return date by way of a 70-year-old woman on the internet! My answer is, well, only a few people (the wise men) apparently knew to watch for when the Jewish Messiah, Jeshua, would be born, or even when he would enter Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. Certainly more people should have taken warning when Noah foretold of the flood.

So, will the Lord only take with Him those who are looking for him this Pentecost - or will all Christians who are ready, regardless of the date of the Rapture, go as well? How do we gauge how much oil we have in us? Going by the 10 virgins parable, once "oiled" (salvation) is not enough. We can't rely on "once saved, always saved" to qualify us as the Pre-tribulation BRIDE of Christ, because some of those "saved" virgins ran out to get MORE oil, only to return with it too late.

One last question, "the end WILL NOT COME UNITL the gospel is spread unto the ends of the world" - does the spread of the gospel apply to the Lord's return at the rapture, or at the end of the tribulation? You know, many places have not yet heard the gospel - so can the rapture indeed be this soon - however, I think the TBN satellites can cover the whole earth now preaching the everlasting Word. I hope people start waking up! Pray for my family and friends. Love

My reply

> if God wanted us to know, it would be "black and white"

Sure, just like the time of the first coming of Christ was "black and white," and the time of the second coming is "black and white." They need to read Isa. 28:9-13. Verse 13 says, "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Even ministers insist that everything has to be taken in context. This verse shows that that is not always so, either. An example is Col. 4:10, which is to be read to the church of the Laodiceans (v. 16). It says, "Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments (Moses): if he come unto you, receive him;)." Part b has nothing to do with the immediate context. It only makes sense if read with v. 16. Moses will be one of the two witnesses during the first half of the Tribulation.

> Now I'm often asked why God would give such insight only to you and those
> who follow your site on the net?

I am probably not the only one. I think there are others that are just afraid to stick their neck out and risk being wrong. Since I saw light on Jer. 50:2's publish and conceal not, I feel that I have to publish, no matter what.

> So, will the Lord only take with Him those who are looking for him this Pentecost - or
> will all Christians who are ready, regardless of the date of the Rapture, go as well?

Jesus Christ is the judge, but I think all those who are ready will go.

> How do we gauge how much oil we have in us?

I only know that unconfessed sin quenches the Holy Spirit. If all known sins are confessed, the sin barrier is removed and the living water can well up inside us until we are filled.

> does the spread of the gospel apply to the Lord's
> return at the rapture, or at the end of the tribulation?

My guess is "at the end of the tribulation."

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In your "Old Testament Bible Chronology" you wrote:
"In the Bible, the number 40 means probation and testing. Adam spent 40 years being tested in the Garden of Eden before he was cast out just as Jesus, "the last Adam" (I Cor. 15:45), was tested 40 days in the wilderness and Israel was tested 40 years in the wilderness."

Is there a Biblical basis for asserting that Adam was tested in the garden for 40 years, or is this an assumption based on other "testings" of similar duration?

My reply

The way I found out is this. Bob Miko, a draftsman, was studying the Bible with me back c. 1969-1970. I had made separate charts of the Ages and of the Dispensations. He said he could put them both together on one chart and draw it to scale. He took the charts home and came back the next day with what he drew. He said that he stayed up till midnight, and the only way the two charts would fit together was if the Dispensation of Innocence was outside of the beginning of the chart of the Dispensations. I was astonished and did not believe him at first, but he was right. The more I worked with Bible Chronology, the more I became convinced that he had uncovered an important key. Man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil started when Adam was evicted from the Garden after a 40-year testing period.

I remembered that Adam was a type of Christ, called the second Adam, and that Jesus was tested 40 days. I knew that 40 meant testing and probation. That was demonstrated when Israel came out of Egypt. They spied out the land 40 days and because all but Joshua and Caleb were afraid to go into Canaan, they had to wander in the wilderness 40 years while one generation died off. I also knew that Israel was given 40 years of probation from 30 AD to 70 AD. It all hung together and fit the chronological information found in the OT.

If you were to make two charts, one of the Ages and one of the Dispensations on acetate, superimpose one upon the other, you would soon see that the chart of the Dispensations fits the chart of the Ages IF you let the Dispensation of Innocence extend beyond the other chart. Adam was tried in Innocence. We are tried knowing both good and evil. Adam was tried having eternal life until his judgment and expulsion. We are tried not having eternal life from day one. When all men began to be tried under the same conditions, the 2000-year Age of the Gentiles began. Following it was the 2000-year Age of the Jews. After that was the 2000-year Age of the Church.

That is an oversimplification, because the ends of the ages are extended from the Rapture to the beginning of the Millennium. During this time, we will have the Tribulation, which is a trial that is to come upon the whole world to try those that remain upon the Earth during those years. Eccl. 8:5 says, "a wise man's heart discerneth both TIME (7000 years, including the Millennium) and JUDGMENT (the Tribulation). It seems that the latter is inserted so that if Israel would turn to the Lord in time, it could be left out. The trial is Israel's 5th cycle of discipline. Lev. 26:27,28 says, "And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times (years, Rev. 12:6,14) for your sins."

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I'm pretty sure you already know this, but May 21st is Ascension for the Orthodox church (they celebrate the day Christ ascended into heaven). Their Pentacost is the 30th.

My reply

Thanks. It would be nice if we ascended May 21.

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Okay, your reply gives me a new question. You said, "Strong's gives "vanish" as an alternate meaning for EKPHEUGO. From ESCAPE to VANISH, not the slightest hint of "survive through" (Luke 21:36)." I'm sorry, but I haven't read enough of your page to know whether you believe the return of the Lord is coming soon. I do not believe the saints of God will be surviving through the tribulation, they'll be gone. I also don't believe the Lord is coming back anytime soon, because not everyone has heard the Good News yet. The Lord tarries because we have not done the work we have been instructed to do since the Abrahamic covenant. God's whole heart is that the nations would know His Name. Until that work has been accomplished, nothing is going to happen.

My reply

> I'm sorry, but I haven't read enough of your page to know whether you believe the return of
> the Lord is coming soon. I do not believe the saints of God will be
> surviving through the tribulation, they'll be gone.

The first thing on my Web page says, "I think the Rapture will be Pentecost, Sivan 7, 5759, Saturday, May 22, 1999 (Jerusalem time zone), but there are three ways of figuring Pentecost. Be watching May 21, 22 and 23."

I too think we will be gone before the Tribulation.

I think the Second Advent will be Nisan 1, 5768, our Apr. 6, 2008.

I also don't believe the Lord is coming back anytime soon, because not everyone has heard
> the Good News yet. The Lord tarries because we have not done the work we have been
> instructed to do since the Abrahamic covenant. God's whole heart is that the nations
> would know His Name. Until that work has been accomplished, nothing is going to happen.

Mt. 24:48-51 says, "But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, MY LORD DELAYETH HIS COMING; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

The Lord made a plan before the world began. Everything will take place on time. It doesn't depend on man, but on God. Agape

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