Pro and Con 321
Re: Proliferation of Earthquakes
I came across this incredible last week's worth of quakes in California. Here is the site:
I am East Coast so it seems incredible to me; you think because of this coming up on the 7th day before Pentecost it means something? Respectfully, In His Love
I have been in Southern California since 1955, and not once before have I ever heard of 937 earthquakes in CA in one week, 22 of them in the greater Los Angeles area. That is incredible. It could be a sign, but I wish I knew what this site had listed in the past to compare with this chart before I take it as a sign. I will listen to the news and see if they mention any earthquakes. Seems like the last one I heard about was Long Beach, but I haven't been watching the news much lately. I have been trying to answer MANY emails instead.
Note: Ed said Mammoth had a large one.
Re: your updated detailed end times event sheet
This scriptural information summary is some of the best stuff I've seen; and certainly the most purely scriptural web link (minus numerical manipulations; and other shady conclusions) I've seen you do. If you could do more of this in the near future (if He delays His Rapture longer) it would be most enjoyable and helpful. In Him
Re: Your Tops
Awesome job on the Bible Chronology of End-Time Events and the explanation with supporting
scripture !!! I love it. I plan to use it as a left behind piece. In Christ
Thanks to you both. Agape
Grace and peace to you, dear Sister.
Your loving, gracious ministry to the frustrated and tired brother in post # 317 was great. I pray that Jesus will return that blessing upon you 100 fold right now! And that He will strengthen you for the remaining few days of your work! Love
My replyThanks. I have much to do.
Incoming Email SHIRLEY B ROEDDER wrote:
Chapter Eight: The Basis of God's Choice of the Firstfruits for the Bride of Christ
It is clear from both the Old and New Testaments that the firstfruits represent the children of God, who have completely surrendered themselves to Him, and have ben cleansed and purified by the incoming of the Holy Spirit in His fullness. The work of sanctification in lthe heart of the believer is not only a cleansing from moral corruption, but the individual is separated unto God to be wholly the Lord's.
In making the water of separation, the red heifer was slain without the camp, and the ashes, mingled with water, were laid up in clean place. True to type, Jesus, our sanctifier, was slain without the camp, and all who desire this work of cleansing and separation unto Christ to become members of the Bridehood must follow Him outside the camp. In connection with this Paul says, "Wherefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered without the gate." Dr. Schofield, in his Bible notes on the scripture states, "The red Heifer: type of the sacrifice of Christ as the ground of the cleansing of the believer." It is plainly seen that the water of separation was not for the penitent sinner, but for the purification of the believer. Water is both a type of the Spirit and of the Word. Paul again says, "Christ also loved the churchand gfave himself for it; that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Eph. 5:25-27) It is a sanctified and cleansed church that is presented to Christ.
There are decisions for us to make. God never compels any one to take the least step toward either regeneration or sanctification. He invites you by His Spirit. His messengers who have gone to Hime without the camp, also entreat. Paul thus sounds forth the call, "Let us go forth, therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach." (Heb. 13:12-13) Thaere is a reproach to this way. How quick the devil is to point out that is is not wise to be too religious or too pious and be cut off from the friendship of the crowd.
A very clear line of truth regarding this qualification for the Bride of Christ is given in the Feast O Pentecost. "Ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall y number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenths deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord. (Lev. 23:15-17) This feast looked forward to the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the 120 disciples who were gathered in the upper room on that memorable day of 1900 years ago. Let us notice how completely the actual experience as given on the day of Pentecost correspongds to the feast given fore than 1500 years before.
Fifty days after the Feast of the Firstfruits, (which was fulfilled in the resurrection of Jreasus from the dead exactly on the feast day), the prople of Israel were to bring out of their houses two wave loaves. These two loaves typify the two works of grace, the second of which was accomplished in the hearts of those assembled in the Upper Room when the Holy Ghost was given. If regeneration were all that was provided in the sacrifice on Calvary, God would havae had the Jews bring out of their houses one loaf of bread for this feast. Furthermore, we might reason that if there were three works of grace for the redemption of man, there would have been three wave-loaves instead of one or two. Because the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a distinct experience, separate, yet side by side wsith regeneration, the people of Israel were commanded to bring two loaves.
Then again, these loaves were made with two-tenth measures of meal. The tithe is the firstfruits of our increase and you have noticed all through the Word that this is wholly the Lord's. The tithe represents the Bride of Christ, for it is sanctified unto the Lord's work. Every time we bring the tithes into the storehouse it should remind us that to be in the Bride of LChrist we must be fully given up to God.
These wave loaves were made iwth leaven. There was no leaave used in the Passover or the Feast of the Firstfruits, for there was no sin in the Lamb of God who was to take away the "sin of the world." But here leaven is baked with the bread. Why? Leaven is always a type of sin and its presence in the loaves brought forth to the Feast of Pentecost cleartly teachs that regeneration does not deliver us from the leaven of sin - original sin. Every church teaches that the carnal nature still remains in the heart of the believer after he is saved. When a sinner comes to Christ he receives forgiveness for the sins of his life which are the works of the old nature within him. Many schools of thought teach that this nature remains in the heart of the believ er until death comes, then God delivers him from the sin principle. Every church seems to realize that the old sinful nature can not enter the protals of glory for it definitely belongs to Satan. The Roman Catholic church teaches that this ature is burned out in the fires of purgatory. We are fonfident that the teaching God has given us in this feast is that this leaven of sin goes with us as far a Pentecost.
After the loaves are made with leaaven they are put into the oven and baked. Until then the leaven is working and active. If the baker leaves his bread too long fefore he puts it in the oven, it will run over ther sides of the pan, and if for some reason it is still neglected, it will eventually sag down and sour. That is what is the trouble with so many Christians. They have failed to get into the fire in time and they have soured and have lost the victory. The loaves go into the oven, are baked, the leaven destroyed, and the bread cvomes out sweet and nice. Death cannot deliver us, but if we let the refining, purifying fire of the Spirit cleanse out the old leaven, we will be firstruits unto the Lord. Then and only then are we members of the Bride of Christ.
There is no use of our trying to dodge the issue. The rapture is too clse for that. We must be cleanse, purified, separated unto God by a full surrender on our part, or we will be shut out of the BLridehood. When we gather all the scriptures on this subject together, and view them with an unprejudiced mind, we can not come to any other conclusion than that expressed here. The believer who does not have the fullness of the Spirit is not a firstfruit Christian, and threfore, is not a part of the Bride of Christ. When the foolish Virgins awaken this will be a distressing revelation. (end of chapter 8)
I was going to send a capsule, but it is already such a small book, so I typed this chapter word for word. Hope not too many typos. Chapter 9 will be forth-coming.
I too am interested in the difference (if any) between the Bride and the Body. Will do some digging. In His Name
My reply Sorry, this got buried in a mountain of emails, but I want to post it.
Thanks. It is such an important point that leaven works in us UNTIL PENTECOST. At that time, because we are baked, the growth of leaven in us STOPS. It certainly will stop at the Rapture. This also makes Pentecost a likely time.
Note: This reminds me that Ephraim (meaning, that grows) is a cake NOT turned....Ephraim also is like A SILLY DOVE WITHOUT HEART...I will chastise them" (Hos. 7:8-12).
I just had another thought. Man was given 120 years before the Flood. There were 120 disciples mentioned in Acts 1:15. We have 120 days from the gamma-ray burster of last Jan. 23, 1999 UNTIL PENTECOST. Agape
Incoming Email I'm not sure what part of my remark your response "It sure is being that it's not true" was directed at. Was it my statement that the rapture might not come until 2030-33 or thereabouts or was it directed to the part about the Church Age being a full 2000-years long. If you are saying the Church Age does not last a full 2000 years, please explain. Could you also clarify what year you believe the Church Age started and why? Much appreciated.
My reply I'm sorry, but this got lost in my mountain of emails so long that I don't know what that response was for. I tried a search and came up empty handed, so maybe I didn't post that. It is in the middle of the night, so forgive me if this is somewhat disjointed. I keep making typos and need sleep.
Anyway, I think that this EXTENDED age will end in 2007, 40 years after Israel took Jerusalem and grew leaves in the Six-Day War of 1967. I'll explain extended in a minute. First, I'll tell you when I think the normal age begins and ends.
There are three ages. During each 2000-year period, God deals mainly with three general divisions of people. I think the 2000-year Age of the Gentiles began in 4004/3 BC, the 2000-year Age of the Jews began in 2004/3 BC, the Age of the Church began in 4/3 BC, when the wise men symbolically anointed Jesus as Lord and King by the gifts they brought him. That year was 3758 on the Jewish calendar. The year 3758 + 2000 = 5758 (our 1997/98), which I think was the 6000th year of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil.
It seems that in 5758, we may have entered into a 12-month purification period (as in Esth. 2:12) before being taken to the king. This is in accord with Jewish engagements being 12 months to prove the bride a virgin. This year may turn out to be the most important since we first accepted Christ. We should purify ourselves by confessing our sins (as per I John 1:9), so we will be sure to be wearing white wedding garments. The Rapture may take place this month, on Pentecost. There are 3 ways of figuring it, so we should be ready May 21-23.
I think 5759 (1998/99) is the 6001st year of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil. The 6001st year agrees with Noah being 601 when God said, "Go forth."
I think that we have to figure out what Eccl. 8:5 means. It says, "a wise man's heart discerneth both TIME and JUDGMENT." I think time refers to man's 7000-year time of testing under different dispensations. I think judgment here refers to the ten years from 5758 to 5768 (as the ten days [or years, as it could be translated] of Rev. 2:10). The Jewish age and therefore our age, and probably the Age of the Gentiles, all seem to have a ten-year extension running concurrently from 5758 to 5768. Part of this time is a grace period (Lu. 13:6-9), and the rest is the seven-year Tribulation (Lev. 26:28; Dan. 9:27).
Judgment starts at the house of God. The judge may be standing at the door this year watching and deciding who will be his Bride. Love is a big thing to a Bridegroom. He wants a Bride that loves HIM. God is love. If we are filled with the Spirit of God, we are filled with his agape love. So we should be filled with the Holy Spirit and love the brethren. We are all part of the Body of Christ.
I think the 7-year Tribulation will begin on the Feast of Weeks in 2001 and that the Millennium will begin on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14), the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. That is the first day of 5768, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Before the seven-year Tribulation begins, there is a grace period (Lu. 13:6-9). During this time the Lord watches to see if Israel will turn to him or if they really have to have the fifth cycle of discipline before they will turn to him. (Lev. 26:28).
I hope you can understand what I am trying to say when I am really too tired to set it down well. I think it was yesterday that I just realized that Abraham was born in 2008 AH and I think Christ will return in 2008 AD. That's nice, Abraham was the father of the Jews. Christ is the Father of us all (Isa. 9:6).
I don't think that there is a chance that the Age of the Church began in 30 AD and has to run until 2030 AD, even though the Church was born on Pentecost in 30 AD. It is just that the Lord is dealing MAINLY with the Church during this last age.
Here at the end of this age, we seem to have seven good years and seven bad years, as when Joseph was in Egypt. I think the seven good years began Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed. They were ratified three days later in Israel, on Tishri 1, 5754. Sept. 13, 1993 + 7 + 7 = Sept. 13, 2007. Tishri 1, 5754 + 14 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is our Sept. 13, 2007. Doesn't that correlation smack of God's perfect planning? I think Sept. 13, 2007 is the beginning of the Millennium. When it begins, this age is history. The end of the age in 2007 agrees with the Six-Day-War Sign of the End of the Age in 1967 + 40 = 2007 too. I believe that all the end time prophecies have to take place within one generation from that Six-Day War (Mt. 24:32-34). Agape
Incoming Email In your P&C 314 you mention getting a phone message about a Galena, IL pastor checking out reports of angels telling people that Christ's return is near. Have you heard anything further about this?
Thank you for all your hard research work and clear explanations to all us beggers in search of the Truth. God has certainly used you mightily. Agape sister.
My reply Thanks. I have not heard another thing about Galena. I'll post it if I do. Agape
Incoming Email I can feel in my heart that the Lord's return is near. I read the Word daily, because I want to walk closer to the Lord, and I repent my sins daily. I feel we should be very very involved with living our lives as Christians, after all our ultimate goal is to become more "Christ like". But, our time to meet our maker could come at any moment, and that is why I keep my oil lamps full. I may die today, or the rapture could happen at any moment, either way, I will be with the Lord. Yes, we all backslide at times, but the Lord knows our hearts. I am not part of the Laodecian church, because I am not so "involved" with bible prophecy. I just feel that staying so focused on the Rapture, could be dangerous. We are only human, and humans feel emotion and stumble when things don't go as they think they should. I was not implying that your attention to the Lord's timing is wrong, just a little dangerous. I didn't mean to insult you in anyway, as I felt a little pride in your response, I only intended for you to see the other side of what date setting can do for those not so mature in their faith.
My reply I am not proud, but very humble. If people think Jesus could arrive soon, and get ready, how can that be "just a little dangerous"? It might make an eternal difference to them. Jesus said to watch, and I mean to watch. I hope you are also. Agape
Incoming Email I trust that this email finds you and Ed doing as best you can under your trying circumstances. I thank God for your faithfulness.
I notice that you frequently refer people to Hislop's book The Two Babylons. This entire book is available online. In case you wish to refer others to it, or link it, the url is: http://www.mv.com/ipusers/butterfly/babylon/00index.htm
Blessings to you in Jesus' name.
Incoming Email and My Reply > FWD: Michael - the Restrainer
> by Monte Judah
> His name means "Who is like our God?" He is called a Great Prince
> and is one of the Angel Princes or Angels of His Presence. He
> stands guard over Israel and obeys the orders of his
> commander, the Lord of Hosts. He is said to stand on the right hand > of the Father...
> Is not Michael standing guard over Israel even yet today? Is
> not Michael the restrainer Paul refers to in keeping the antimessiah
> at bay until he is lifted out of the way and Jacob's trouble begins?
> On this last point, some churchmen are very confused as to who the
> restrainer is. Some believe that the Holy Spirit (and the church) is
> the restrainer of evil. They even advocate that it is the Holy Spirit
> (and the church) that will be taken out at the pretrib rapture.
> Instead of conjecture, let's listen to what the prophecies say of
> Michael and the Holy Spirit.
***From Marilyn: We are the salt of the earth. In breadmaking, salt retards the growth of leaven. What is in us that makes us retard the growth of leaven? The Holy Spirit, not Michael.
> Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the
> sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress
> such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and
> at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book,
> will be rescued. DAN 12:1
***The time of Jacob's trouble is one day, the Day of God's Wrath, "a time of distress such as NEVER occurred since there was a nation until that time."
> The time of Michael's rising is at the Great Tribulation, the time of
> distress that the world has never seen before. Michael's role prior to
> the Great Tribulation is to stand guard over Israel. Until Michael is
> reassigned from his guard duty, the time of Jacob's trouble can not
> happen. But where would Michael go if he were not guarding Israel, and
> what does it mean when it says, "will arise?"
***Michael will "stand up" (KJV) on the day of the second Rapture, which is the first day of the Millennium, the Day of God's wrath. It is the day when the False Prophet "shall come to his end" (i.e., be deposed from office) (Dan. 11:45). The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be Pre-Wrath--barely. The asteroid impacts Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5).
> And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with
> the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not
> strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in
> heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who
> is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was
> thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. > REV 12:7-9
***This is Mid-Trib.
> ...And you know what restrains [the Archangel Michael] him [the
> antimessiah] now, so that in his time he [antimessiah] may be
> revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he
> [Michael] who now restrains will do so until he is taken [lifted up to
> heaven] out of the way. 2TH 2:6-7 > > The restrainer is Michael, not the Holy Spirit.
***I don't think so. If Michael was taken to Heaven out of the way at the Rapture, would he be "standing guard over Israel" during the first half of the Tribulation?
> The Holy Spirit is a > comforter. He leads us into truth and convicts us of sin. The Bible
> never lists one of the attributes of the Holy Spirit as a restrainer
> of evil or of the antimessiah.
***The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God (Rom. 8:9). He is not limited in any way.
> Many pretribulation teachers tell their followers that when the church
> is raptured before the tribulation, the Holy Spirit gets raptured
> also. Therefore the poor world below suffers with just Jews and Law.
> Bible prophecy says the opposite. During the Great Tribulation the
> Holy Spirit is poured even more so. The idea of the Holy Spirit
> leaving is based on the misunderstanding of the role of Michael the
> Prince of Israel.
> The prophet Joel describes the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at the
> end, not the rapture of the Holy Spirit. Even Peter on the day of
> Pentecost shared about the Holy Spirit's presence. But, Joel's
> prophecy is still yet to be fulfilled completely.
> > And it will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on
> all mankind; and your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men
> will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. And even on the
> male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. > >JOE 2:28-29
***The words "after this" or "afterward" (KJV) mean that this will take place AFTER the LORD is "in the midst of Israel" (Joel 2:27), after the Second Coming.
> When is the Holy Spirit poured out to this degree? The answer is given
> both before and after these verses. And it will come about after
> this... It will come about after what???
> > Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the
> Lord your God and there is no other; and My people will never be put
> to shame. JOE 2:27 > >
When the name of Israel is never put to shame again, when we know
> there is no other god, when we see God as our God, and when we see our
> God is in the midst of Israel, then God will pour out His Spirit on
> all believers. That is what it says before.
> Here is what Joel says happens after the Holy Spirit is poured out.
> > And I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, blood, fire,
> and columns of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the
> moon into blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.
> JOE 2:30-31 > >
Obviously, the Holy Spirit is poured out before the Great Tribulation.
***I don't think so. The Great Tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation. The above verse speaks of the time "before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes." The Day of the Lord is the Millennium, not "before the Great Tribulation." The darkness starts when the sixth seal is broken on the last day of this age. The next day is the first day of the Millennium, the Day of God's Wrath, the day the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth when the seventh seal is broken.
> I can't imagine going through the tribulation without the presence of
> God's Spirit. Equally so, I can't imagine how the Great Tribulation
> can begin without Michael being lifted up first. He has been
> restraining the evil one for a long time and has shown himself able to
> the task. But it is upon us to answer the question of his name. There
> is no one like our God!
***I can't imagine going through the Tribulation. Period. God is spirit (John 4:24). In him we live and move and have our being. The whole universe cannot contain him. He is able to take us to Heaven and still operate on Earth during the Tribulation. He just will not restrain the growth of evil. He will let it come to a head and then put it down as the Millennium begins. Michael will still be operative in Israel's behalf during the first half of the Tribulation.
Incoming Email You just keep coming up with more and more evidence that May 22, 1999 will be the day. I want so much to believe that with all my heart. It all seems logical. My only reluctance is missing it before and not wanting to get my hopes up only to be disappointed again. But, I ask myself, "How can you argue with so much evidence from so many places?" So I am praying and looking forward to May 22 and praying that I will be counted worthy to go. The world is getting so sick that I don't want to be in it anymore - i.e. the mass killing in the Colorado school yesterday - my grandchildren go to schools close to that. Their neighbor (a wonderful Christian man) is on the Swat team and I'm sure was involved. I shudder to think of the Satan filled people who are in the cities and all of the innocent children who are at their mercy. It just proves that God is not in them or they wouldn't be able to do those horrendous acts. Oh how much more joyous to go and be with the Lord than to stay in this world filled with evil, sick people. I'm not forgetting the saints who are still here, I thank God for all of them. It breaks my heart that all do not know Him. Thank you again for all of your hard work and sharing your faith. You are truly a blessing. God is so good to have given you to all of us who faithfully visit your site. I think I can wait until May 22 to see you and all of the other faithful believers, but just barely! Praying that you are right.
Almost forgot, I have one question - may sound dumb but I really don't understand why when you speak of the Jewish years, such as 5768 - it seems to be our 2007 or 2008. Guess what I don't understand is why it is not either 2007 or 2008 specifically but not both. In His Love
My reply > It just proves that God is not in them or they wouldn't be able to do those horrendous acts
They must be demon possessed. How could anyone in their right mind do such things?
> 5768 - it seems to be our 2007 or 2008.
The Jewish year starts in our September or October. Thus any Jewish year spans parts of two of our years.
Incoming Email Marilyn, thank you so much for writing me back. I personally do not beleive in date settting but Jesus did say to know the time and the seasons. I used to beleive in a pre trib rapture but after much study and soul searching I beleive I will be SAVED FROM WRATH BUT WILL GO THROUGH AT LEAST TO THE SEALS OR BOWLS. I am a jail and prison minister and keep up with end times . I have been accused of scare tactics and I always say good I hope it scares the hell out of them. I beleive that the pre trib rapture is a hoax of Satan that he will use to really scare Christians who will not know what is happening. I beleive that in 1999 this old world will rock and roll. Bill Clinton in all his treachery is Gods man for the hour. I also beleive that the pope will play a key role in the proceedings. Look for Israel and the plo to hook it up. I beleive that we have taken the side of Arafat and because of it we now will pay the price for all the sin and abortion and and andetc. I tell people this that it is high time to put away the toys and games and learn to hear Jesus for your self. Russia and China with thanks to Bill now have all their new knowledge of weaponry. What bothers me the most is the apathy I see in the church. Jesus is coming soon and very soon and people better start paying attention.
My reply What bothers me is that you are in a teaching position and do not believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture. You don't want to be the blind leading the blind.
If we go through TO the seals, we still escape the Tribulation. If we go through to the bowls, we have gone through the Day of God's Wrath already. That is a big spread. Can't you get in a little closer than that?
The first group raptured is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9, BEFORE THE FIRST SEAL IS BROKEN in Rev. 6. The second group raptured is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14, BETWEEN THE BREAKING OF THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH SEALS. The seventh seal is broken in Rev. 8.
God's wrath hits Earth as the seven trumpet judgments sound. They all hit in one day, the Day of God's Wrath. The bowls depict the final destruction after some time has gone by. For example, in Rev. 8:9, "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea (the Mediterranean), and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed." In Rev. 16:3, "the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." The former is what happens on one day. The latter is the final effect after some time has gone by.
The apathy you see in the church is because we are living in the Laodicean era, the latter days. The Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). At the First Advent, the Pharisees were the blind leading the blind. Today, we have our Pharisees types too. Agape
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I was walking Sunday evening (May 9th) at 8:30 Daylight Savings Time and I saw what appeared to be a planet as bright as Venus shortly after sunset. After a couple minutes I got to a clearing; I looked high in the southern sky to see what was there; and it had disappeared. I can only look at this as a very unusual phenomenon; or a miracle from God; if anyone else knows about something weird lately like this; let me know. In Him; Rich
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